Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
> Theodolites are not really set up for doing traverses, for a loop of a few > hundred metres we have an mis-closure of about 1m. I would be disappointed if > I was using a disto X. It seems to be par for the course. The show cave > owners paid for a traverse when they where tunnelling. They claimed > millimetre accuracy however were metres out. Lead to a bit of an arguement > between the caver surveyors and the paid surveyors about Which direction to > dig the tunnel. It was resolved when the tunnel broke through. Luckily the > tunnelers listen to the cavers. Well, that saves me buying one (as if I could afford one). I was expecting them to be super-accurate, if calibrated properly. I'm assuming this is not a calibration issue though. Theodolite grades were always given as being so much higher than regular surveys, so this is quite eye-opening. Presumably the existing "theodolite" mode you were referring to in Survex/Therion is designed for use with separate positioning and levelling, since levelling gives extremely high accuracy vertical position, so all you need then is the horizontal. (This is similar to how OS land surveys were traditionally done, with the horizontal and vertical surveys being almost entirely unrelated, and only tied in a few places for convenience.) I will add a note that yes, out-of-range crazy numbers is actually normal with theodolite-style devices. Not just for inclination. Certainly there are some other surveys done with thodolites (both professional and home-made) where the compass bearing is over 360, with full wrap-around. One other things I just learned from this thread; degrees:minutes:seconds is a supported format. Cute. Useful for optical theodolites which are actually accurate enough to measure in such tiny increments. Never seen it in a cave survey before. ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
On 14 December 2020 20:03:00 GMT, Martin Budaj wrote: >On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:51 PM Andrew > > >Check https://www.gnu.org/software/gama/ > >BTW, how did you get the azimuth (compass column in the data you sent) >from >the theodolite data? > We set up a leg some distance outside the cave using gps. Then every time the target is swapped with the main unit, you have to align it with the back leg. It is a tedious process, but lets splays be recorded easily. The paid surveyors tried triangulation down the tunnel, but there is not really enough room, further round the loop it gets to one person wide with metal everywhere. In places where we haven't been able to get GPS we have used a distox to set up the leg Andrew -- ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:51 PM Andrew Atkinson wrote: > Those fixed positions would need to be calculated, by something. Errors do > occur which are better distributed about the loops. Most none surveying > software doesn't really do this. Check https://www.gnu.org/software/gama/ BTW, how did you get the azimuth (compass column in the data you sent) from the theodolite data? Martin ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
Thanks, will do as soon as I can. Wasn't expecting ting such s fast response so converted the data, which, it turns out is not simple Andrew On 14 December 2020 18:09:30 GMT, Stacho Mudrak wrote: >Hello, > >could you please try the latest commit? I do not think that even a >warning >for 270 (=-90) to 360 (=level) degrees clino is necessary. An error can >occur if you manually type a comma in the wrong place, but the same may >happen with compass & tape and there is no warning. > >S. > >On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 09:43, Andrew Atkinson >wrote: > >> We have now used 3 different 'Total stations' all by different >> manufacturers >> >> All seem to give a choice between >> >> 270 as down 0 as level and 90 as up >> >> or >> >> 0 as down 90 as level and 180 as up >> >> None of them have given the choice for negative clino (all the >machines >> we have use are old, but digital. >> >> So it does seem normal for theodolites! >> >> With hindsight I should have chosen the latter,then I could have just >> calibrated with a calibrate clino 90 >> >> But it was difficult to get your head round, plus I was using >pockettopo >> (and sexytopo) to draw the survey in the cave, so it was easier to >use >> the 270 as down version >> >> It would be really useful to be able in a centreline-endcentreline >nest >> to be able to suppress the out of range error and use the 270 to 360 >> readings, but still have the error/warning for the more normal >surveys >> >> thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> On 14/12/2020 08:24, Martin Sluka via Therion wrote: >> > Are you sure those data are “normal”? >> > >> > Martin >> > >> > Odesláno z iPhonu >> > >> > 14. 12. 2020 v 1:10, alastair gott : >> > >> >> Hi Andrew, if you can get deg,mins,secs to work in survex then you >can >> use the .3d file with the surveys use command. (But I think from your >> careful wording, you already know this). >> >> >> >> import use.3d -surveys use >> >> >> >> Not ideal afaik for “mixing local and global coordinates” so >tricky if >> your going for a kml output if you have to use with mixed .3d and >normal >> .th files. >> >> >> >> It would be good if you could select a lookup file for the Clino, >then >> you could easily create a translation file in excel and save that as >a .th >> for your total station .th file to lookup to. But no idea if this is >> feasible or even an idea at all. >> >> >> >> Al. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 18:15, Andrew Atkinson >wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hello >> >>> >> >>> I thought that there was a way I could stop the out of range >error, but >> >>> I cannot now find it. It would be an a useful command to have as >> instead >> >>> of negative readings we got readings between 270 and 359, which >> although >> >>> strange is valid. In survex readings over 90 are just a warning, >which >> >>> seems far more sensible, the problem is that I don't think that I >can >> >>> enter the data in survex either without conversion as I don't >think >> that >> >>> degrees minutes and seconds can be entered. >> >>> >> >>> So I'm stuck with data that I have to convert, for different >reasons >> >>> depending on whether I use survex of therion. >> >>> >> >>> Here is part of the file, I have quiet a few >> >>> >> >>> survey >> >>> >> >>> centreline >> >>> data normal from to clino compass tape ignoreall >> >>> 121:08:2583:37:4017.88 >> >>> 2300:00:00-:-:-0.055 >> >>> 3-02:39:00266:49:003.206 >> >>> 3-314:28:20299:57:452.02 >> >>> 3-16:32:25312:13:201.246 >> >>> 3-06:22:3584:16:101.17 >> >>> 3-309:16:4584:15:501.846 >> >>> 3-55:00:10122:44:500.77 >> >>> 3-325:02:55249:55:451.014 >> >>> 35359:30:50338:07:2516.674 >> >>> 5-306:52:00262:23:201.402 >> >>> 5-59:29:30343:51:301.076 >> >>> 5-305:08:25358:34:301.274 >> >>> 5-315:26:2090:51:351.632 >> >>> 5-29:12:4577:01:351.891 >> >>> 5-19:55:5033:02:003.071 >> >>> 5-348:22:3531:08:253.707 >> >>> 5-350:35:2015:31:254.292 >> >>> 5-13:29:3515:31:204.202 >> >>> 5-12:24:5030:20:207.919 >> >>> 5617:29:0531:28:506.444 >> >>> 6-307:24:35149:47:351.738 >> >>> 6-344:44:40149:45:301.426 >> >>> 6-77:05:35149:36:051.523 >> >>> 6-306:05:00314:12:100.84 >> >>> 6-353:47:5094:54:352.091 >> >>> 6-00:42:00219:31:405.446 >> >>> 6-18:33:50230:03:054.468 >> >>> 6712:26:05241:13:004.272 >> >>> >> >>> .etc >> >>> >> >>> Anyone got a solution that does not mean I have to convert in a >> spreadsheet? >> >>> >> >>> thanks >> >>> >> >>> Andrew >> >>> ___ >> >>> Therion mailing list >> >>> Therion@speleo.sk >> >>> >>
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
Those fixed positions would need to be calculated, by something. Errors do occur which are better distributed about the loops. Most none surveying software doesn't really do this. There is a data type that is for theodolite, however it is for a data type where all distances are horizontal, which appears to be for really old theodolites. Theodolites are not really set up for doing traverses, for a loop of a few hundred metres we have an mis-closure of about 1m. I would be disappointed if I was using a disto X. It seems to be par for the course. The show cave owners paid for a traverse when they where tunnelling. They claimed millimetre accuracy however were metres out. Lead to a bit of an arguement between the caver surveyors and the paid surveyors about Which direction to dig the tunnel. It was resolved when the tunnel broke through. Luckily the tunnelers listen to the cavers. Andrew On 14 December 2020 18:47:11 GMT, Martin Sluka via Therion wrote: >Nor Survex, nor Therion support theodolite, as I know. Isn’t better to >input such measurements as fix points? > >Martin > >Odesláno z iPhonu > >14. 12. 2020 v 19:09, Stacho Mudrak : > >> Hello, >> >> could you please try the latest commit? I do not think that even a >warning for 270 (=-90) to 360 (=level) degrees clino is necessary. An >error can occur if you manually type a comma in the wrong place, but >the same may happen with compass & tape and there is no warning. >> >> S. >> >>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 09:43, Andrew Atkinson >wrote: >>> We have now used 3 different 'Total stations' all by different >manufacturers >>> >>> All seem to give a choice between >>> >>> 270 as down 0 as level and 90 as up >>> >>> or >>> >>> 0 as down 90 as level and 180 as up >>> >>> None of them have given the choice for negative clino (all the >machines >>> we have use are old, but digital. >>> >>> So it does seem normal for theodolites! >>> >>> With hindsight I should have chosen the latter,then I could have >just >>> calibrated with a calibrate clino 90 >>> >>> But it was difficult to get your head round, plus I was using >pockettopo >>> (and sexytopo) to draw the survey in the cave, so it was easier to >use >>> the 270 as down version >>> >>> It would be really useful to be able in a centreline-endcentreline >nest >>> to be able to suppress the out of range error and use the 270 to 360 >>> readings, but still have the error/warning for the more normal >surveys >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> On 14/12/2020 08:24, Martin Sluka via Therion wrote: >>> > Are you sure those data are “normal”? >>> > >>> > Martin >>> > >>> > Odesláno z iPhonu >>> > >>> > 14. 12. 2020 v 1:10, alastair gott : >>> > >>> >> Hi Andrew, if you can get deg,mins,secs to work in survex then >you can use the .3d file with the surveys use command. (But I think >from your careful wording, you already know this). >>> >> >>> >> import use.3d -surveys use >>> >> >>> >> Not ideal afaik for “mixing local and global coordinates” so >tricky if your going for a kml output if you have to use with mixed .3d >and normal .th files. >>> >> >>> >> It would be good if you could select a lookup file for the Clino, >then you could easily create a translation file in excel and save that >as a .th for your total station .th file to lookup to. But no idea if >this is feasible or even an idea at all. >>> >> >>> >> Al. >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 18:15, Andrew Atkinson >wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought that there was a way I could stop the out of range >error, but >>> >>> I cannot now find it. It would be an a useful command to have as >instead >>> >>> of negative readings we got readings between 270 and 359, which >although >>> >>> strange is valid. In survex readings over 90 are just a warning, >which >>> >>> seems far more sensible, the problem is that I don't think that >I can >>> >>> enter the data in survex either without conversion as I don't >think that >>> >>> degrees minutes and seconds can be entered. >>> >>> >>> >>> So I'm stuck with data that I have to convert, for different >reasons >>> >>> depending on whether I use survex of therion. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is part of the file, I have quiet a few >>> >>> >>> >>> survey >>> >>> >>> >>> centreline >>> >>> data normal from to clino compass tape ignoreall >>> >>> 121:08:2583:37:4017.88 >>> >>> 2300:00:00-:-:-0.055 >>> >>> 3-02:39:00266:49:003.206 >>> >>> 3-314:28:20299:57:452.02 >>> >>> 3-16:32:25312:13:201.246 >>> >>> 3-06:22:3584:16:101.17 >>> >>> 3-309:16:4584:15:501.846 >>> >>> 3-55:00:10122:44:500.77 >>> >>> 3-325:02:55249:55:451.014 >>> >>> 35359:30:50338:07:2516.674 >>> >>> 5-306:52:00262:23:201.402 >>> >>> 5-59:29:30343:51:301.076 >>> >>> 5-305:08:25358:34:30
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
Nor Survex, nor Therion support theodolite, as I know. Isn’t better to input such measurements as fix points? Martin Odesláno z iPhonu 14. 12. 2020 v 19:09, Stacho Mudrak : > Hello, > > could you please try the latest commit? I do not think that even a warning > for 270 (=-90) to 360 (=level) degrees clino is necessary. An error can occur > if you manually type a comma in the wrong place, but the same may happen with > compass & tape and there is no warning. > > S. > >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 09:43, Andrew Atkinson wrote: >> We have now used 3 different 'Total stations' all by different manufacturers >> >> All seem to give a choice between >> >> 270 as down 0 as level and 90 as up >> >> or >> >> 0 as down 90 as level and 180 as up >> >> None of them have given the choice for negative clino (all the machines >> we have use are old, but digital. >> >> So it does seem normal for theodolites! >> >> With hindsight I should have chosen the latter,then I could have just >> calibrated with a calibrate clino 90 >> >> But it was difficult to get your head round, plus I was using pockettopo >> (and sexytopo) to draw the survey in the cave, so it was easier to use >> the 270 as down version >> >> It would be really useful to be able in a centreline-endcentreline nest >> to be able to suppress the out of range error and use the 270 to 360 >> readings, but still have the error/warning for the more normal surveys >> >> thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> On 14/12/2020 08:24, Martin Sluka via Therion wrote: >> > Are you sure those data are “normal”? >> > >> > Martin >> > >> > Odesláno z iPhonu >> > >> > 14. 12. 2020 v 1:10, alastair gott : >> > >> >> Hi Andrew, if you can get deg,mins,secs to work in survex then you can >> >> use the .3d file with the surveys use command. (But I think from your >> >> careful wording, you already know this). >> >> >> >> import use.3d -surveys use >> >> >> >> Not ideal afaik for “mixing local and global coordinates” so tricky if >> >> your going for a kml output if you have to use with mixed .3d and normal >> >> .th files. >> >> >> >> It would be good if you could select a lookup file for the Clino, then >> >> you could easily create a translation file in excel and save that as a >> >> .th for your total station .th file to lookup to. But no idea if this is >> >> feasible or even an idea at all. >> >> >> >> Al. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 18:15, Andrew Atkinson wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hello >> >>> >> >>> I thought that there was a way I could stop the out of range error, but >> >>> I cannot now find it. It would be an a useful command to have as instead >> >>> of negative readings we got readings between 270 and 359, which although >> >>> strange is valid. In survex readings over 90 are just a warning, which >> >>> seems far more sensible, the problem is that I don't think that I can >> >>> enter the data in survex either without conversion as I don't think that >> >>> degrees minutes and seconds can be entered. >> >>> >> >>> So I'm stuck with data that I have to convert, for different reasons >> >>> depending on whether I use survex of therion. >> >>> >> >>> Here is part of the file, I have quiet a few >> >>> >> >>> survey >> >>> >> >>> centreline >> >>> data normal from to clino compass tape ignoreall >> >>> 121:08:2583:37:4017.88 >> >>> 2300:00:00-:-:-0.055 >> >>> 3-02:39:00266:49:003.206 >> >>> 3-314:28:20299:57:452.02 >> >>> 3-16:32:25312:13:201.246 >> >>> 3-06:22:3584:16:101.17 >> >>> 3-309:16:4584:15:501.846 >> >>> 3-55:00:10122:44:500.77 >> >>> 3-325:02:55249:55:451.014 >> >>> 35359:30:50338:07:2516.674 >> >>> 5-306:52:00262:23:201.402 >> >>> 5-59:29:30343:51:301.076 >> >>> 5-305:08:25358:34:301.274 >> >>> 5-315:26:2090:51:351.632 >> >>> 5-29:12:4577:01:351.891 >> >>> 5-19:55:5033:02:003.071 >> >>> 5-348:22:3531:08:253.707 >> >>> 5-350:35:2015:31:254.292 >> >>> 5-13:29:3515:31:204.202 >> >>> 5-12:24:5030:20:207.919 >> >>> 5617:29:0531:28:506.444 >> >>> 6-307:24:35149:47:351.738 >> >>> 6-344:44:40149:45:301.426 >> >>> 6-77:05:35149:36:051.523 >> >>> 6-306:05:00314:12:100.84 >> >>> 6-353:47:5094:54:352.091 >> >>> 6-00:42:00219:31:405.446 >> >>> 6-18:33:50230:03:054.468 >> >>> 6712:26:05241:13:004.272 >> >>> >> >>> .etc >> >>> >> >>> Anyone got a solution that does not mean I have to convert in a >> >>> spreadsheet? >> >>> >> >>> thanks >> >>> >> >>> Andrew >> >>> ___ >> >>> Therion mailing list >> >>> Therion@speleo.sk >>
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
Hello, could you please try the latest commit? I do not think that even a warning for 270 (=-90) to 360 (=level) degrees clino is necessary. An error can occur if you manually type a comma in the wrong place, but the same may happen with compass & tape and there is no warning. S. On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 09:43, Andrew Atkinson wrote: > We have now used 3 different 'Total stations' all by different > manufacturers > > All seem to give a choice between > > 270 as down 0 as level and 90 as up > > or > > 0 as down 90 as level and 180 as up > > None of them have given the choice for negative clino (all the machines > we have use are old, but digital. > > So it does seem normal for theodolites! > > With hindsight I should have chosen the latter,then I could have just > calibrated with a calibrate clino 90 > > But it was difficult to get your head round, plus I was using pockettopo > (and sexytopo) to draw the survey in the cave, so it was easier to use > the 270 as down version > > It would be really useful to be able in a centreline-endcentreline nest > to be able to suppress the out of range error and use the 270 to 360 > readings, but still have the error/warning for the more normal surveys > > thanks > > Andrew > > On 14/12/2020 08:24, Martin Sluka via Therion wrote: > > Are you sure those data are “normal”? > > > > Martin > > > > Odesláno z iPhonu > > > > 14. 12. 2020 v 1:10, alastair gott : > > > >> Hi Andrew, if you can get deg,mins,secs to work in survex then you can > use the .3d file with the surveys use command. (But I think from your > careful wording, you already know this). > >> > >> import use.3d -surveys use > >> > >> Not ideal afaik for “mixing local and global coordinates” so tricky if > your going for a kml output if you have to use with mixed .3d and normal > .th files. > >> > >> It would be good if you could select a lookup file for the Clino, then > you could easily create a translation file in excel and save that as a .th > for your total station .th file to lookup to. But no idea if this is > feasible or even an idea at all. > >> > >> Al. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 18:15, Andrew Atkinson wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello > >>> > >>> I thought that there was a way I could stop the out of range error, but > >>> I cannot now find it. It would be an a useful command to have as > instead > >>> of negative readings we got readings between 270 and 359, which > although > >>> strange is valid. In survex readings over 90 are just a warning, which > >>> seems far more sensible, the problem is that I don't think that I can > >>> enter the data in survex either without conversion as I don't think > that > >>> degrees minutes and seconds can be entered. > >>> > >>> So I'm stuck with data that I have to convert, for different reasons > >>> depending on whether I use survex of therion. > >>> > >>> Here is part of the file, I have quiet a few > >>> > >>> survey > >>> > >>> centreline > >>> data normal from to clino compass tape ignoreall > >>> 121:08:2583:37:4017.88 > >>> 2300:00:00-:-:-0.055 > >>> 3-02:39:00266:49:003.206 > >>> 3-314:28:20299:57:452.02 > >>> 3-16:32:25312:13:201.246 > >>> 3-06:22:3584:16:101.17 > >>> 3-309:16:4584:15:501.846 > >>> 3-55:00:10122:44:500.77 > >>> 3-325:02:55249:55:451.014 > >>> 35359:30:50338:07:2516.674 > >>> 5-306:52:00262:23:201.402 > >>> 5-59:29:30343:51:301.076 > >>> 5-305:08:25358:34:301.274 > >>> 5-315:26:2090:51:351.632 > >>> 5-29:12:4577:01:351.891 > >>> 5-19:55:5033:02:003.071 > >>> 5-348:22:3531:08:253.707 > >>> 5-350:35:2015:31:254.292 > >>> 5-13:29:3515:31:204.202 > >>> 5-12:24:5030:20:207.919 > >>> 5617:29:0531:28:506.444 > >>> 6-307:24:35149:47:351.738 > >>> 6-344:44:40149:45:301.426 > >>> 6-77:05:35149:36:051.523 > >>> 6-306:05:00314:12:100.84 > >>> 6-353:47:5094:54:352.091 > >>> 6-00:42:00219:31:405.446 > >>> 6-18:33:50230:03:054.468 > >>> 6712:26:05241:13:004.272 > >>> > >>> .etc > >>> > >>> Anyone got a solution that does not mean I have to convert in a > spreadsheet? > >>> > >>> thanks > >>> > >>> Andrew > >>> ___ > >>> Therion mailing list > >>> Therion@speleo.sk > >>> >
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
We have now used 3 different 'Total stations' all by different manufacturers All seem to give a choice between 270 as down 0 as level and 90 as up or 0 as down 90 as level and 180 as up None of them have given the choice for negative clino (all the machines we have use are old, but digital. So it does seem normal for theodolites! With hindsight I should have chosen the latter,then I could have just calibrated with a calibrate clino 90 But it was difficult to get your head round, plus I was using pockettopo (and sexytopo) to draw the survey in the cave, so it was easier to use the 270 as down version It would be really useful to be able in a centreline-endcentreline nest to be able to suppress the out of range error and use the 270 to 360 readings, but still have the error/warning for the more normal surveys thanks Andrew On 14/12/2020 08:24, Martin Sluka via Therion wrote: > Are you sure those data are “normal”? > > Martin > > Odesláno z iPhonu > > 14. 12. 2020 v 1:10, alastair gott : > >> Hi Andrew, if you can get deg,mins,secs to work in survex then you can use >> the .3d file with the surveys use command. (But I think from your careful >> wording, you already know this). >> >> import use.3d -surveys use >> >> Not ideal afaik for “mixing local and global coordinates” so tricky if your >> going for a kml output if you have to use with mixed .3d and normal .th >> files. >> >> It would be good if you could select a lookup file for the Clino, then you >> could easily create a translation file in excel and save that as a .th for >> your total station .th file to lookup to. But no idea if this is feasible or >> even an idea at all. >> >> Al. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 18:15, Andrew Atkinson wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> I thought that there was a way I could stop the out of range error, but >>> I cannot now find it. It would be an a useful command to have as instead >>> of negative readings we got readings between 270 and 359, which although >>> strange is valid. In survex readings over 90 are just a warning, which >>> seems far more sensible, the problem is that I don't think that I can >>> enter the data in survex either without conversion as I don't think that >>> degrees minutes and seconds can be entered. >>> >>> So I'm stuck with data that I have to convert, for different reasons >>> depending on whether I use survex of therion. >>> >>> Here is part of the file, I have quiet a few >>> >>> survey >>> >>> centreline >>> data normal from to clino compass tape ignoreall >>> 121:08:2583:37:4017.88 >>> 2300:00:00-:-:-0.055 >>> 3-02:39:00266:49:003.206 >>> 3-314:28:20299:57:452.02 >>> 3-16:32:25312:13:201.246 >>> 3-06:22:3584:16:101.17 >>> 3-309:16:4584:15:501.846 >>> 3-55:00:10122:44:500.77 >>> 3-325:02:55249:55:451.014 >>> 35359:30:50338:07:2516.674 >>> 5-306:52:00262:23:201.402 >>> 5-59:29:30343:51:301.076 >>> 5-305:08:25358:34:301.274 >>> 5-315:26:2090:51:351.632 >>> 5-29:12:4577:01:351.891 >>> 5-19:55:5033:02:003.071 >>> 5-348:22:3531:08:253.707 >>> 5-350:35:2015:31:254.292 >>> 5-13:29:3515:31:204.202 >>> 5-12:24:5030:20:207.919 >>> 5617:29:0531:28:506.444 >>> 6-307:24:35149:47:351.738 >>> 6-344:44:40149:45:301.426 >>> 6-77:05:35149:36:051.523 >>> 6-306:05:00314:12:100.84 >>> 6-353:47:5094:54:352.091 >>> 6-00:42:00219:31:405.446 >>> 6-18:33:50230:03:054.468 >>> 6712:26:05241:13:004.272 >>> >>> .etc >>> >>> Anyone got a solution that does not mean I have to convert in a spreadsheet? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Andrew >>> ___ >>> Therion mailing list >>> Therion@speleo.sk >>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.speleo.sk%2Flistinfo%2Ftheriondata=04%7C01%7C%7Cccbda31a118a4d7920f708d89f9316f5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637434801373846851%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=C3FiInOMQihrMsvJa7aW1p%2FMHe83Q%2BZSDsw1NVslcA8%3Dreserved=0 >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Gradient out of range - does not process
Are you sure those data are “normal”? Martin Odesláno z iPhonu 14. 12. 2020 v 1:10, alastair gott : > Hi Andrew, if you can get deg,mins,secs to work in survex then you can use > the .3d file with the surveys use command. (But I think from your careful > wording, you already know this). > > import use.3d -surveys use > > Not ideal afaik for “mixing local and global coordinates” so tricky if your > going for a kml output if you have to use with mixed .3d and normal .th files. > > It would be good if you could select a lookup file for the Clino, then you > could easily create a translation file in excel and save that as a .th for > your total station .th file to lookup to. But no idea if this is feasible or > even an idea at all. > > Al. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 13 Dec 2020, at 18:15, Andrew Atkinson wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> I thought that there was a way I could stop the out of range error, but >> I cannot now find it. It would be an a useful command to have as instead >> of negative readings we got readings between 270 and 359, which although >> strange is valid. In survex readings over 90 are just a warning, which >> seems far more sensible, the problem is that I don't think that I can >> enter the data in survex either without conversion as I don't think that >> degrees minutes and seconds can be entered. >> >> So I'm stuck with data that I have to convert, for different reasons >> depending on whether I use survex of therion. >> >> Here is part of the file, I have quiet a few >> >> survey >> >> centreline >> data normal from to clino compass tape ignoreall >> 121:08:2583:37:4017.88 >> 2300:00:00-:-:-0.055 >> 3-02:39:00266:49:003.206 >> 3-314:28:20299:57:452.02 >> 3-16:32:25312:13:201.246 >> 3-06:22:3584:16:101.17 >> 3-309:16:4584:15:501.846 >> 3-55:00:10122:44:500.77 >> 3-325:02:55249:55:451.014 >> 35359:30:50338:07:2516.674 >> 5-306:52:00262:23:201.402 >> 5-59:29:30343:51:301.076 >> 5-305:08:25358:34:301.274 >> 5-315:26:2090:51:351.632 >> 5-29:12:4577:01:351.891 >> 5-19:55:5033:02:003.071 >> 5-348:22:3531:08:253.707 >> 5-350:35:2015:31:254.292 >> 5-13:29:3515:31:204.202 >> 5-12:24:5030:20:207.919 >> 5617:29:0531:28:506.444 >> 6-307:24:35149:47:351.738 >> 6-344:44:40149:45:301.426 >> 6-77:05:35149:36:051.523 >> 6-306:05:00314:12:100.84 >> 6-353:47:5094:54:352.091 >> 6-00:42:00219:31:405.446 >> 6-18:33:50230:03:054.468 >> 6712:26:05241:13:004.272 >> >> .etc >> >> Anyone got a solution that does not mean I have to convert in a spreadsheet? >> >> thanks >> >> Andrew >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.speleo.sk%2Flistinfo%2Ftheriondata=04%7C01%7C%7Cccbda31a118a4d7920f708d89f9316f5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637434801373846851%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=C3FiInOMQihrMsvJa7aW1p%2FMHe83Q%2BZSDsw1NVslcA8%3Dreserved=0 > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
