[Therion] Mapiah and WTherion

[Bruce Mutton]

I've been dabbling with WTherion, and while it is progressing well and
looking very good in many respects, it is flagged as a sort term interim
project (on Matrix  ) and I see some
high-level challenges:

*   it seems a document must be saved in three places for it to be an
enduring part of a mapping project:

*   a browser cache (required, and visible only to a particular browser
on a particular device)
*   a json file (if you want to store or share the document (presumably)
without loss of fidelity)
*   a th2 file (if you wish to compile the document using Therion)

*   In a multi-user project, unless everyone uses the workflow [WTherion
open json, edit, export th2, compile Therion] there will be loss of
fidelity.
ie if some users choose [XTherion open th2, edit, compile Therion] then the
WTherion users must 'know' to import from th2.  This will result in loss of
fidelity, especially where there are xvi files in the th2.

 

For me multi-user and version-controlled storage are prerequisites for any
mapping projects, and because it seems for most users, (readers of this
forum excepted of course) both Therion and version control are significant
challenges, any drawing editor should fit seamlessly into the existing
Therion environment.  Most likely this means it should read and write th2
files natively.

 

Please tell me if I am wrong.  As a self-taught dabbler I am only too happy
to be shown the error in my thinking.

 

Anyway, I got to thinking about Mapiah.

I think the development for Mapiah is here and was last updated in February?
https://gitlab.com/rsevero1/mapiah/-/releases 

I installed 0.0.3 and it looks like it is still in the very early stages.
Is it still under consideration for further development?

 

Bruce

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Re: [Therion] Mapiah and WTherion

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

--- Original Message ---

On Wednesday, September 14th, 2022 at 5:17 PM, Bruce Mutton  
wrote:

> I’ve been dabbling with WTherion, and while it is progressing well and 
> looking very good in many respects, it is flagged as a sort term interim 
> project (on [Matrix](https://app.element.io/#/room/)) and I see some 
> high-level challenges:
>
> - it seems a document must be saved in three places for it to be an enduring 
> part of a mapping project:
>
> - a browser cache (required, and visible only to a particular browser on a 
> particular device)
> - a json file (if you want to store or share the document (presumably) 
> without loss of fidelity)
> - a th2 file (if you wish to compile the document using Therion)
> - In a multi-user project, unless everyone uses the workflow [WTherion open 
> json, edit, export th2, compile Therion] there will be loss of fidelity.
> ie if some users choose [XTherion open th2, edit, compile Therion] then the 
> WTherion users must ‘know’ to import from th2. This will result in loss of 
> fidelity, especially where there are xvi files in the th2.
>
> For me multi-user and version-controlled storage are prerequisites for any 
> mapping projects, and because it seems for most users, (readers of this forum 
> excepted of course) both Therion and version control are significant 
> challenges, any drawing editor should fit seamlessly into the existing 
> Therion environment. Most likely this means it should read and write th2 
> files natively.
>
> Please tell me if I am wrong. As a self-taught dabbler I am only too happy to 
> be shown the error in my thinking.
>
> Anyway, I got to thinking about Mapiah.
>
> I think the development for Mapiah is here and was last updated in February? 
> https://gitlab.com/rsevero1/mapiah/-/releases
>
> I installed 0.0.3 and it looks like it is still in the very early stages. Is 
> it still under consideration for further development?

Development of Mapiah has halted.

After some talks during the last ICS, the ideia seems to be to convert WTherion 
to a Electron app and further develop it. If someone knows better, please 
correct me.

I want to help this movement but right now I am still stuck on finishing 
reports on the Brazilian Cave Rescue course that I organized and ended last 
week.

Regards,

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Re: [Therion] Mapiah and WTherion

[Wookey]

On 2022-09-14 21:11 +, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
>Development of Mapiah has halted.

That's a pity. 

>After some talks during the last ICS, the idea seems to be to convert
>WTherion to a Electron app and further develop it.

Both the electron-baed apps I use have a fundamental problem: select
and paste does not work (either in or out). (i.e. It does not
correctly deal with unix/X two different cut buffers.)  This would be
a serious problem for Therion use IMHO. I presume this can be fixed
but I'd recomend checking that before going too far down this road.

If this is something fundamental in the design of electron (or
upstream refuse to fix it for some reason) then we still need some
other solution for desktop use.

Wookey
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