Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Thank you for your response, the fresh installation to the company computer without admin rights done with success. great work. S pozdravom Ing. Michal Danko On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion < therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > Michal > > The current installer should offer an option to install only for the > current user, which will not require admin rights. > > But as Bruce mentioned, the current installer is not quite intelligent and > it is very easy to mess the locations if you have an older version > installed for all users (in Program Files) and install the newer one for > the current user. These are different locations and different registry > entries. > > Most of the suggestions so far were to revert the installer to the > previous one, which had only the All users option and required admin > rights. I think you are the first one to actually say that you need a > non-admin installer. > > Making it admin only as before is the easiest thing to do, and "tried and > true" like Bruce said :) > > If I make the installer more intelligent it could detect if the app is > already installed in a particular location for All/Current. And if it is > installed, it will reuse the location without asking for it. This way there > should be no conflicts. To change the install type users would have to > first uninstall. This will not be very hard, but still will require some > testing and I don't have the time lately. > I'll see if I can test it next week. Otherwise I will revert the installer > code to the previous one, but building and publishing the actual installer > files is up to Stacho and Martin. > > Vladimir > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion < > therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > >> Just a reminder, >> >> As far as I know, the current installation files mess up your Windows >> registry and both the installation folders if you have an existing >> installation in the ‘all users’ area and then you install over that with >> ‘only for me’. >> >> If you have a previous installation on a Windows machine, and you want to >> keep all your customised settings (ie without uninstalling the existing >> installation first), select 'Install for all users', and NOT 'Install only >> for me'. Otherwise you'll need to manually hack the registry to unpick the >> carnage. >> >> I posted about this on 30May2017, but for some reason it does not show up >> in the Mail Archive. I’ll post it again in parallel with this message. >> >> >> >> I’ll put my vote in again for the simple tried and true ‘install for all >> users’. Aside from the big issues (registry carnage), you know your >> installation files and settings will always be in C:\Program Files… >> >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Michal >> Danko via Therion >> *Sent:* Monday, 16 October 2017 8:33 PM >> *To:* List for Therion users >> *Cc:* Michal Danko >> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer >> incomplete installs >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> any news about installer without admin rights? >> >> For my it would be very handy because i use sometimes company pc without >> admin... >> >> >> S pozdravom >> >> Ing. Michal Danko >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion < >> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >> >> I got your idea :) >> >> That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install >> the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the >> default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, >> not in Program files. >> >> >> The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion >> user will have to install their own copy :) >> >> Vlad >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion >> wrote: >> >> I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they >> share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user >> only. >> >> >> >> Footleg >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion < >> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >> >> Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old >> installer too. >> >> But there are also global Start menu shortcuts a
Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Michal The current installer should offer an option to install only for the current user, which will not require admin rights. But as Bruce mentioned, the current installer is not quite intelligent and it is very easy to mess the locations if you have an older version installed for all users (in Program Files) and install the newer one for the current user. These are different locations and different registry entries. Most of the suggestions so far were to revert the installer to the previous one, which had only the All users option and required admin rights. I think you are the first one to actually say that you need a non-admin installer. Making it admin only as before is the easiest thing to do, and "tried and true" like Bruce said :) If I make the installer more intelligent it could detect if the app is already installed in a particular location for All/Current. And if it is installed, it will reuse the location without asking for it. This way there should be no conflicts. To change the install type users would have to first uninstall. This will not be very hard, but still will require some testing and I don't have the time lately. I'll see if I can test it next week. Otherwise I will revert the installer code to the previous one, but building and publishing the actual installer files is up to Stacho and Martin. Vladimir On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion wrote: > Just a reminder, > > As far as I know, the current installation files mess up your Windows > registry and both the installation folders if you have an existing > installation in the ‘all users’ area and then you install over that with > ‘only for me’. > > If you have a previous installation on a Windows machine, and you want to > keep all your customised settings (ie without uninstalling the existing > installation first), select 'Install for all users', and NOT 'Install only > for me'. Otherwise you'll need to manually hack the registry to unpick the > carnage. > > I posted about this on 30May2017, but for some reason it does not show up > in the Mail Archive. I’ll post it again in parallel with this message. > > > > I’ll put my vote in again for the simple tried and true ‘install for all > users’. Aside from the big issues (registry carnage), you know your > installation files and settings will always be in C:\Program Files… > > > > Bruce > > > > *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Michal > Danko via Therion > *Sent:* Monday, 16 October 2017 8:33 PM > *To:* List for Therion users > *Cc:* Michal Danko > *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer > incomplete installs > > > > Hi all, > > any news about installer without admin rights? > > For my it would be very handy because i use sometimes company pc without > admin... > > > S pozdravom > > Ing. Michal Danko > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion < > therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > > I got your idea :) > > That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install > the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the > default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, > not in Program files. > > > The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion > user will have to install their own copy :) > > Vlad > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion > wrote: > > I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they > share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user > only. > > > > Footleg > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion < > therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > > Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old > installer too. > > But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that > go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If > it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user > problem. > > Vlad > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion > wrote: > > Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a > location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to > install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write > permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on > each page to accept the default install under Program Files. > > > > Footleg > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < > th
[Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Just a reminder, As far as I know, the current installation files mess up your Windows registry and both the installation folders if you have an existing installation in the ‘all users’ area and then you install over that with ‘only for me’. If you have a previous installation on a Windows machine, and you want to keep all your customised settings (ie without uninstalling the existing installation first), select 'Install for all users', and NOT 'Install only for me'. Otherwise you'll need to manually hack the registry to unpick the carnage. I posted about this on 30May2017, but for some reason it does not show up in the Mail Archive. I’ll post it again in parallel with this message. I’ll put my vote in again for the simple tried and true ‘install for all users’. Aside from the big issues (registry carnage), you know your installation files and settings will always be in C:\Program Files… Bruce From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Michal Danko via Therion Sent: Monday, 16 October 2017 8:33 PM To: List for Therion users Cc: Michal Danko Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs Hi all, any news about installer without admin rights? For my it would be very handy because i use sometimes company pc without admin... S pozdravom Ing. Michal Danko On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: I got your idea :) That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, not in Program files. The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion user will have to install their own copy :) Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user only. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old installer too. But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user problem. Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on each page to accept the default install under Program Files. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: It is outside of my area of expertise, however: * No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. * No 2 is OK by me. I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. Bruce From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk> ] On Behalf Of via Therion Sent: Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM To: List for Therion users mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > Cc: Владимир Георгиев mailto:vld.georg...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs About the installer problems... Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not prevent all possible problems though. 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older installers worked and always installed in Program Files. In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install loca
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Hi all, any news about installer without admin rights? For my it would be very handy because i use sometimes company pc without admin... S pozdravom Ing. Michal Danko On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion < therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > I got your idea :) > That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install > the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the > default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, > not in Program files. > > The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion > user will have to install their own copy :) > > Vlad > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion > wrote: > >> I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they >> share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user >> only. >> >> Footleg >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion < >> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >> >>> Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old >>> installer too. >>> But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that >>> go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If >>> it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user >>> problem. >>> >>> Vlad >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to >>>> a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to >>>> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write >>>> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on >>>> each page to accept the default install under Program Files. >>>> >>>> Footleg >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < >>>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is outside of my area of expertise, however: >>>>> >>>>>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there >>>>>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows >>>>>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too >>>>> clever. >>>>>- No 2 is OK by me. >>>>> >>>>> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is >>>>> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least >>>>> 10 >>>>> years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make >>>>> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * >>>>> via Therion >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *To:* List for Therion users >>>>> >>>>> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer >>>>> incomplete installs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> About the installer problems... >>>>> >>>>> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: >>>>> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is >>>>> an existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in >>>>> the same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not >>>>> prevent all possible problems though. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the >>>>> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older >>>>> installers worked and always installed in Program Files. >>>>> >>>>> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, >>>>> which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract >>>>> it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG >>>>> file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install locatio
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
I got your idea :) That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, not in Program files. The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion user will have to install their own copy :) Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion wrote: > I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they > share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user > only. > > Footleg > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion < > therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > >> Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old >> installer too. >> But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that >> go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If >> it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user >> problem. >> >> Vlad >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion >> wrote: >> >>> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to >>> a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to >>> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write >>> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on >>> each page to accept the default install under Program Files. >>> >>> Footleg >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < >>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >>> >>>> It is outside of my area of expertise, however: >>>> >>>>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there >>>>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows >>>>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too >>>> clever. >>>>- No 2 is OK by me. >>>> >>>> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is >>>> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 >>>> years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make >>>> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * >>>> via Therion >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> *To:* List for Therion users >>>> >>>> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer >>>> incomplete installs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> About the installer problems... >>>> >>>> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: >>>> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an >>>> existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the >>>> same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not >>>> prevent all possible problems though. >>>> >>>> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the >>>> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older >>>> installers worked and always installed in Program Files. >>>> >>>> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, >>>> which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract >>>> it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG >>>> file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location >>>> from the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the >>>> current folder. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? >>>> >>>> Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? >>>> >>>> Vladimir >>>> ___ >>>> Therion mailing list >>>> Therion@speleo.sk >>>> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Therion mailing list >>> Therion@speleo.sk >>> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >>> >>> >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user only. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion < therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old > installer too. > But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that > go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If > it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user > problem. > > Vlad > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion > wrote: > >> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a >> location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to >> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write >> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on >> each page to accept the default install under Program Files. >> >> Footleg >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < >> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >> >>> It is outside of my area of expertise, however: >>> >>>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there >>>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows >>>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. >>>- No 2 is OK by me. >>> >>> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is >>> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 >>> years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make >>> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * >>> via Therion >>> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* List for Therion users >>> >>> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев >>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer >>> incomplete installs >>> >>> >>> >>> About the installer problems... >>> >>> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: >>> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an >>> existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the >>> same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not >>> prevent all possible problems though. >>> >>> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the >>> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older >>> installers worked and always installed in Program Files. >>> >>> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which >>> is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in >>> a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file >>> extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from >>> the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current >>> folder. >>> >>> Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? >>> >>> Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? >>> >>> Vladimir >>> ___ >>> Therion mailing list >>> Therion@speleo.sk >>> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >>> >> >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> >> > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old installer too. But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user problem. Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion wrote: > Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a > location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to > install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write > permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on > each page to accept the default install under Program Files. > > Footleg > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < > therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > >> It is outside of my area of expertise, however: >> >>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there >>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows >>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. >>- No 2 is OK by me. >> >> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is >> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 >> years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make >> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * >> ???? via Therion >> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM >> >> >> *To:* List for Therion users >> >> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев >> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer >> incomplete installs >> >> >> >> About the installer problems... >> >> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: >> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an >> existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the >> same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not >> prevent all possible problems though. >> >> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the >> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older >> installers worked and always installed in Program Files. >> >> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which >> is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in >> a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file >> extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from >> the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current >> folder. >> >> Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? >> >> Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? >> >> Vladimir >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on each page to accept the default install under Program Files. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion wrote: > It is outside of my area of expertise, however: > >- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are >bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, >any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. >- No 2 is OK by me. > > I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is > compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 > years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make > Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. > > Bruce > > > > *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * > via Therion > *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM > > > *To:* List for Therion users > > *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев > *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer > incomplete installs > > > > About the installer problems... > > Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: > 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an > existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the > same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not > prevent all possible problems though. > > 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the > "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older > installers worked and always installed in Program Files. > > In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which > is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in > a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file > extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from > the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current > folder. > > Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? > > Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? > > Vladimir > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
It is outside of my area of expertise, however: * No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. * No 2 is OK by me. I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. Bruce From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of via Therion Sent: Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM To: List for Therion users Cc: Владимир Георгиев Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs About the installer problems... Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not prevent all possible problems though. 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older installers worked and always installed in Program Files. In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current folder. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? Vladimir ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
