[Therion] Best caving tablet

[Rob Countess]

I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:


So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.

I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am
using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before
that On Station.

I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used
Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or
android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again
I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I
see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that
run on iPad?

A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good
waterproof cases?

Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't
seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.

If price was not a factor what set up would you use?

Thanks
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[Adam Sampson]

That's a big question. 
1rst, let's talk topodroid versus pockettopo. Topodroid draws the tick marks 
for you, but has a slight learning curve. It doesn't integrate perfectly into 
therion but I can help with some of the issues it has. And Marco is really 
responsive in fixing problems. Topodroid is simpler, but you draw on it just 
like on a pad of paper. I haven't found an iPad solution. 
2nd let's talk tablets. My biggest consideration was what type of stylus. 
Capacitive stylus are ok, but the lines don't match up perfectly. The nvidia 
shield or similar tablet (which I am trying to review in the next couple 
months) can use a #2 pencil. Then there are tablets like the surface of the 
galaxy note that use a Wacom stylus and are very accurate. I suggest you might 
try them out at your local electronics store to see which stylus you like. 
As for waterproof...depends how wet your caves are. I use a waterproof case I 
got off amazon for $15...but I don't ever submerge it. I just need to protect 
from the occasional drip. 
Adam



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Subject: [Therion] Best caving tablet
To: List for Therion users 


   I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:  

  So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.    

   I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using 
Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On 
Station.    

   I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used 
Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or 
android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I 
have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the 
new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?  
 

   A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good 
waterproof cases?    

   Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't 
seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.   

   If price was not a factor what set up would you use?   

   Thanks
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[Adam Sampson]

I made a typo. Pockettopo is simpler in programming. You just draw exactly what 
you want.
Topodroid automates the drawing of dashes and tick marks and makes your drawing 
in the cave neater.






On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:30 PM -0700, "Adam Sampson"  wrote:
That's a big question.
1rst, let's talk topodroid versus pockettopo. Topodroid draws the tick marks 
for you, but has a slight learning curve. It doesn't integrate perfectly into 
therion but I can help with some of the issues it has. And Marco is really 
responsive in fixing problems. Topodroid is simpler, but you draw on it just 
like on a pad of paper. I haven't found an iPad solution.
2nd let's talk tablets. My biggest consideration was what type of stylus. 
Capacitive stylus are ok, but the lines don't match up perfectly. The nvidia 
shield or similar tablet (which I am trying to review in the next couple 
months) can use a #2 pencil. Then there are tablets like the surface of the 
galaxy note that use a Wacom stylus and are very accurate. I suggest you might 
try them out at your local electronics store to see which stylus you like.
As for waterproof...depends how wet your caves are. I use a waterproof case I 
got off amazon for $15...but I don't ever submerge it. I just need to protect 
from the occasional drip.
Adam



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From: Rob Countess 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 7:42 PM
Subject: [Therion] Best caving tablet
To: List for Therion users 


   I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:

  So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.

   I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using 
Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On 
Station.

   I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used 
Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or 
android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I 
have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the 
new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?

   A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good 
waterproof cases?

   Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't 
seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.

   If price was not a factor what set up would you use?

   Thanks
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[Markus Boldt]

Hi,
I`am using an old Asus 696 PDA with Wmobil 6 and of course pockettopo. It works 
very well. Once I have lost the original pencil in the cave and I couldn`t find 
it anymore. It was not so easy, but the surveying on that day was made with my 
fingernail ☺. A replacement for the original was found quick and very cheap. 
BTW, I have now a second pencil in my small case and both have got a tiny hole 
for a thread.
Other members have tried out some android apps. But as I have seen (2014) there 
was no app which was able to  kalibrate/justify the DistoX. But that is not 
really a problem, I think.
Regards
Markus
Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Rob Countess (External)
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2015 01:36
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: [Therion] Best caving tablet

I posted this on cave chat.org<http://chat.org> but no replies:


So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.

I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using 
Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On 
Station.

I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used 
Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or 
android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I 
have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the 
new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?

A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good 
waterproof cases?

Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't 
seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.

If price was not a factor what set up would you use?

Thanks

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[Footleg]

I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data
collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this
Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case
(Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for
phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery
(allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd
hand via eBay).

Footleg

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess 
wrote:

> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
>
>
> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
>
> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am
> using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before
> that On Station.
>
> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used
> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or
> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again
> I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I
> see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that
> run on iPad?
>
> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there
> good waterproof cases?
>
> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I
> can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
>
> If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
>
> Thanks
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[Martin Sluka]

TopoDroid is able to calibrate DistoX. The calibration routine is identical 
with PocketTopo I think.

If price is not a problem (and weight) there are Panasonic army grade tablets 
with Windows and digitizer screen. 


Odesláno z iPhonu

15. 9. 2015 v 9:40, Markus Boldt :

> Hi,
> I`am using an old Asus 696 PDA with Wmobil 6 and of course pockettopo. It 
> works very well. Once I have lost the original pencil in the cave and I 
> couldn`t find it anymore. It was not so easy, but the surveying on that day 
> was made with my fingernail J. A replacement for the original was found quick 
> and very cheap. BTW, I have now a second pencil in my small case and both 
> have got a tiny hole for a thread.
> Other members have tried out some android apps. But as I have seen (2014) 
> there was no app which was able to  kalibrate/justify the DistoX. But that is 
> not really a problem, I think.
> Regards
> Markus
> Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
> Auftrag von Rob Countess (External)
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2015 01:36
> An: List for Therion users
> Betreff: [Therion] Best caving tablet
>  
> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
>  
>  
> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. 
> 
> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using 
> Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On 
> Station. 
> 
> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used 
> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or 
> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I 
> have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see 
> the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on 
> iPad?
> 
> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good 
> waterproof cases? 
> 
> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't 
> seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
> 
> If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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[Martin Sluka]

Me too. 

M. 

Odesláno z iPhonu

15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg :

> I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data 
> collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this 
> Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case 
> (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for 
> phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing 
> larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via 
> eBay).
> 
> Footleg 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess  
>> wrote:
>> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
>> 
>> 
>> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. 
>> 
>> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using 
>> Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On 
>> Station. 
>> 
>> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used 
>> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or 
>> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I 
>> have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see 
>> the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on 
>> iPad?
>> 
>> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good 
>> waterproof cases? 
>> 
>> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't 
>> seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
>> 
>> If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
>> 
>> Thanks
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[Adam Sampson]

FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you want 
to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So you have to 
disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a cheap way to try 
out the program.






On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka"  
wrote:
Me too.

M.

Odesláno z iPhonu

15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg :

> I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data 
> collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this 
> Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case 
> (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for 
> phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing 
> larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via 
> eBay).
>
> Footleg
>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess  
>> wrote:
>> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
>>
>>
>> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
>>
>> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using 
>> Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On 
>> Station.
>>
>> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used 
>> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or 
>> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I 
>> have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see 
>> the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on 
>> iPad?
>>
>> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good 
>> waterproof cases?
>>
>> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't 
>> seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
>>
>> If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
>>
>> Thanks
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[Rob Countess]

Thanks Adam! I will definitely try Andy and Topodroid.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Adam Sampson 
wrote:

> FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you
> want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So
> you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a
> cheap way to try out the program.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka"  > wrote:
>
> Me too.
>
> M.
>
> Odesláno z iPhonu
>
> 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg :
>
> I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data
> collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this
> Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case
> (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for
> phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery
> (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd
> hand via eBay).
>
> Footleg
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess 
> wrote:
>
> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
>
>
> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
>
> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am
> using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before
> that On Station.
>
> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used
> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or
> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again
> I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I
> see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that
> run on iPad?
>
> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there
> good waterproof cases?
>
> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I
> can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
>
> If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
>
> Thanks
> ___
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> Therion at speleo.sk
> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
>
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[Rob Countess]

http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html

I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make
smaller android model. Any thoughts?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Adam Sampson 
wrote:

> FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you
> want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So
> you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a
> cheap way to try out the program.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka"  > wrote:
>
> Me too.
>
> M.
>
> Odesláno z iPhonu
>
> 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg :
>
> I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data
> collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this
> Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case
> (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for
> phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery
> (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd
> hand via eBay).
>
> Footleg
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess 
> wrote:
>
> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
>
>
> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
>
> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am
> using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before
> that On Station.
>
> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used
> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or
> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again
> I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I
> see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that
> run on iPad?
>
> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there
> good waterproof cases?
>
> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I
> can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
>
> If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
>
> Thanks
> ___
> Therion mailing list
> Therion at speleo.sk
> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
>
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[Andrew Atkinson]

I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave
surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think
that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for
me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round
to buying one as yet.
The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very
impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point
calibration, gone back to my dell axim,

Andrew

On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html
> 
> I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make
> smaller android model. Any thoughts?

[Therion] Best caving tablet

[Footleg]

I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a big plus. You
need to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and unless you only
survey large walking passages with flat floors you will appreciate
something that you can climb around the cave while holding in one hand.
Also makes packing the device for transportation through crawls and awkward
entrance series much easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from an entrance
and having a light weight compact kit means it always gets taken on
exploration trips in case we make a break through. So we often leave the
cave with data on the trip where a discovery was made.

Footleg

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson  wrote:

> I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave
> surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think
> that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for
> me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round
> to buying one as yet.
> The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very
> impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point
> calibration, gone back to my dell axim,
>
> Andrew
>
> On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
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> > I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make
> > smaller android model. Any thoughts?
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[Therion] Best caving tablet

[John Stevens]

I have thought about using my 7” asus tablet which is about as large as I can 
hold in one hand. Its worth looking as Sexy Topo (an Android version of 
PocketTopo).
But I still go back to my ruggedised version of the Fujitsu Siemans Pocket Loox 
N560. An RPDA with IP65 protection, or semi rugged EDA version, Ebay from about 
£20. The EDA needs some extra protection but thats not too hard to do.

While these windows mobile PDA’s are so cheap, they seem to be the answer 
until rugged tablets get to a sensible price.

John S

From: Footleg 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:08 PM
To: List for Therion users 
Subject: Re: [Therion] Best caving tablet

I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a big plus. You need 
to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and unless you only survey 
large walking passages with flat floors you will appreciate something that you 
can climb around the cave while holding in one hand. Also makes packing the 
device for transportation through crawls and awkward entrance series much 
easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from an entrance and having a light weight 
compact kit means it always gets taken on exploration trips in case we make a 
break through. So we often leave the cave with data on the trip where a 
discovery was made. 

Footleg

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson  wrote:

  I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave
  surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think
  that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for
  me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round
  to buying one as yet.
  The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very
  impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point
  calibration, gone back to my dell axim,

  Andrew

  On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
  > http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html
  >
  > I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make
  > smaller android model. Any thoughts?
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[Adam Sampson]

I'm using a 7" tablet. But I have it in a waterproof soft case (silicone?) and 
I have a 4" battery charger (10,000maH) in the case with the tablet. The 
battery charger makes a great handle actually.






On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM -0700, "John Stevens"  wrote:
I have thought about using my 7” asus tablet which is about as large as I can 
hold in one hand. Its worth looking as Sexy Topo (an Android version of 
PocketTopo).
But I still go back to my ruggedised version of the Fujitsu Siemans Pocket Loox 
N560. An RPDA with IP65 protection, or semi rugged EDA version, Ebay from about 
£20. The EDA needs some extra protection but thats not too hard to do.

While these windows mobile PDA’s are so cheap, they seem to be the answer 
until rugged tablets get to a sensible price.

John S

From: Footleg
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:08 PM
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Best caving tablet

I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a big plus. You need 
to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and unless you only survey 
large walking passages with flat floors you will appreciate something that you 
can climb around the cave while holding in one hand. Also makes packing the 
device for transportation through crawls and awkward entrance series much 
easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from an entrance and having a light weight 
compact kit means it always gets taken on exploration trips in case we make a 
break through. So we often leave the cave with data on the trip where a 
discovery was made.

Footleg

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson  wrote:

  I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave
  surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think
  that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for
  me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round
  to buying one as yet.
  The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very
  impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point
  calibration, gone back to my dell axim,

  Andrew

  On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
  > http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html
  >
  > I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make
  > smaller android model. Any thoughts?
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[Therion] Best caving tablet

[vladim...@mail.bg]

A bit delayed, but here is the setup that I use.


 My tablet is an 8" Samsung Note 8. Not very compact, but it is very nice
for drawing due to the larger screen. It is as large as an A5 piece of
paper, so I didn't find the switch from paper drawing cumbersome. It can be
held in one hand while surveying, although when I climb or do lots of
crawling it goes in the bag.
What I like about this model is that it supports a Wacom pen, which is much
more accurate than using the finger or a capacitive stylus.
A 6" or 7" might be nice too. I tried a 4" smartphone too. It is fine for
collecting the measurements and rough sketches, but since I work with
Topodroid I prefer to draw as detailed as possible in the cave and only do
minor corrections later in Therion.


I have attached a few images of the packing that I use. The tablet goes in
a waterproof pocket. The Disto also has a clear case, which protects the
keyboard and lenses from mud, but is not waterproof. In most cases I use
the black Wacom stylus in the picture. It is not waterproof, but it hasn't
failed yet despite getting wet a few times and replacements are not
expensive. When I don't use it it goes in the small plastic tube. There is
also a small bluish capacitive pen for muddy or very wet caves, but it is
not that accurate.


The yellow bag has rigid plastic inserts at both sides ot the tablet
pocket(the one in the back) that protect it from impacts and being bent.
The front pocket contains the Disto, pens, some station marking stuff,
etc.


Overal I find the whole package light and easy to cary in most cases except
the most muddy or narrow crawls. Other combinations might work even better,
but I still haven't tried so many to compare.


Best
Vladimir


- Цитат от Footleg (drfootleg at gmail.com), на 16.09.2015 в
20:08 -  I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a
big plus. You need to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and
unless you only survey large walking passages with flat floors you will
appreciate something that you can climb around the cave while holding in
one hand. Also makes packing the device for transportation through crawls
and awkward entrance series much easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from
an entrance and having a light weight compact kit means it always gets
taken on exploration trips in case we make a break through. So we often
leave the cave with data on the trip where a discovery was made.
Footleg
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson  wrote:
I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave
 surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think
 that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for
 me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round
 to buying one as yet.
 The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very
 impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point
 calibration, gone back to my dell axim,


 Andrew


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 > http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html [2]
 >
 > I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make
 > smaller android model. Any thoughts?
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[Dave Clucas]

I use a Trimble Recon. Rugged and waterproof but expensive. I've used it for 
many years now without any problems.

Dave Clucas
daveclucas.com 
sarawak-caves.com 
dave.clucas at icloud.com 

Exploring the World - One cave at a time


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