Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 4. 11. 2018 v 23:35, Bruce Mutton via Therion :
> 
> It happens for me all the time, and I wipe with my hand, lick the display 
> clean (yuk), or wash it in a stream or from my water bottle.

As wrote Marbach (in Alpine Caving Techniques 
http://speleo.lt/speleo/Knygos/Speleo/EN/Alpine%20Cave%20Techniques%20%5BEN%5D.pdf):
 

His tongue is sometimes only the clean part of body of a caver.

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Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Pavel Herich via Therion]

Hi Bruce,
as you write, it´s enough to wipe it barehanded, very fast once or two 
times and screen works again, not necessary to dry or clean it 
perfectly. I have been using the device in many slovak caves, and I 
haven´t found any place, where would be impossible to draw a sketch, 
just sometimes I had to protect the screen with whole body like a 
serpent twists around the branch. I just wonder how it would be in some 
really rainy cave.

Hope I have answered your questions, good luck
Pavel

Dňa 2018-11-04 23:35 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):

Hi Pavel

It might be difficult for me to get device to test before buying, so I
just want to clarify the significance of this issue that you
mentioned...

"it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small
ones are registered and making some effect on screen".

You are using it a lot, as you mention, and I assume that you are
using the device underground.  Therefore I assume that from time to
time water droplets, wet mud and sand on the display are inevitable.
It happens for me all the time, and I wipe with my hand, lick the
display clean (yuk), or wash it in a stream or from my water bottle.

* Does this scenario make the X8 unusable for drawing and typing, or
just mildly annoying?
* What about wiping it with a cloth after washing it.  Does that fix
it?

(I have a non-caving device, that once wet, needs to be removed from
the humid environment completely before the display will respond
correctly - drying with a non-absorbent cloth is not sufficient - I
want to make sure the X8 is not like this).

Regards

Bruce

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Cc: Bruce Mutton 
Subject: [Therion] Nautiz X8

Thanks for the insights Pavel.

I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place.

I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows
ones can run Android, but not vice versa.

So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water
response.  All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and
muddy while surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water
surprizes me, as our Trimble Recons have never responded to water
(except once when swimming), and that assumption is the reason I am
looking at them.

Regards

Bruce

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via Therion

Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18

To: List for Therion users 

Cc: Pavel Herich 

Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

Hello,

i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My
device is built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me
it works great, strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it
just directly under the flowing water. But on the other hand,
surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to run significantly slower than on
the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu reactions, context menu
calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth connection or any other
core functionalities - anyway it could be just some settings error).
Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not draw
friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which
doesn´t works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well,
the screen is not so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly
perhaps because of bigger screen, but I think the technology has been
changed (you can use only plastic, thin protection of the screen to be
able to use old and precise stylus).

Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found
very annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the
device, they manage volume, which is very necessary to work with
inside the cave...; I will try to seal them once. And last thing,
it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small ones
are registered and making some effect on screen.

So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this
device anywhere.

But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid,
it´s bit expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can
be instaled).

Pavel

Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):


Good Morning.



Does anyone have experience with these?



Nautiz X8









https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec[1]






http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]




https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds







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[Therion] Nautiz X8

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Hi Pavel

It might be difficult for me to get device to test before buying, so I just 
want to clarify the significance of this issue that you mentioned...

"it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small ones are 
registered and making some effect on screen".

 

You are using it a lot, as you mention, and I assume that you are using the 
device underground.  Therefore I assume that from time to time water droplets, 
wet mud and sand on the display are inevitable.  It happens for me all the 
time, and I wipe with my hand, lick the display clean (yuk), or wash it in a 
stream or from my water bottle.

*   Does this scenario make the X8 unusable for drawing and typing, or just 
mildly annoying?
*   What about wiping it with a cloth after washing it.  Does that fix it? 

(I have a non-caving device, that once wet, needs to be removed from the humid 
environment completely before the display will respond correctly - drying with 
a non-absorbent cloth is not sufficient - I want to make sure the X8 is not 
like this).

 

Regards

Bruce

 

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From: Therion  On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton via Therion
Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 18:02
To: 'List for Therion users' 
Cc: Bruce Mutton 
Subject: [Therion] Nautiz X8

 

Thanks for the insights Pavel.

I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place.

I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows ones can run 
Android, but not vice versa.

So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water response.  
All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and muddy while 
surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water surprizes me, as our 
Trimble Recons have never responded to water (except once when swimming), and 
that assumption is the reason I am looking at them.

Regards

Bruce

 

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On Behalf Of Pavel Herich via Therion

Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18

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Cc: Pavel Herich < <mailto:her...@speleodd.sk> her...@speleodd.sk>

Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

 

Hello,

i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My device is 
built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me it works great, 
strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it just directly under the 
flowing water. But on the other hand, surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to run 
significantly slower than on the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu 
reactions, context menu calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth connection 
or any other core functionalities - anyway it could be just some settings 
error). Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not draw 
friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which doesn´t 
works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well, the screen is not 
so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly perhaps because of bigger 
screen, but I think the technology has been changed (you can use only plastic, 
thin protection of the screen to be able to use old and precise stylus). 

Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found very 
annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the device, they manage 
volume, which is very necessary to work with inside the cave...; I will try to 
seal them once. And last thing, it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of 
water, even small ones are registered and making some effect on screen.

So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this device 
anywhere.

But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid, it´s bit 
expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can be instaled).

Pavel

 

Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):

> Good Morning.

> Does anyone have experience with these?

> Nautiz X8

> 

> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec[1]
>  

> 

http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]

 

> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds
>  

> 

> Bruce

 

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Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

Bruce, have you check Panasonics products? They produce military grade rugged 
tablets too. 

Martin

Odesláno z iPhonu

3. 11. 2018 v 6:02, Bruce Mutton via Therion :

> Thanks for the insights Pavel.
> I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place.
> I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows ones can 
> run Android, but not vice versa.
> So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water 
> response.  All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and muddy 
> while surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water surprizes 
> me, as our Trimble Recons have never responded to water (except once when 
> swimming), and that assumption is the reason I am looking at them.
> Regards
> Bruce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion  On Behalf Of Pavel Herich via 
> Therion
> Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18
> To: List for Therion users 
> Cc: Pavel Herich 
> Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8
> 
> Hello,
> i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My device 
> is built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me it works great, 
> strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it just directly under the 
> flowing water. But on the other hand, surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to 
> run significantly slower than on the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu 
> reactions, context menu calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth 
> connection or any other core functionalities - anyway it could be just some 
> settings error). Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not 
> draw friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which 
> doesn´t works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well, the 
> screen is not so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly perhaps 
> because of bigger screen, but I think the technology has been changed (you 
> can use only plastic, thin protection of the screen to be able to use old and 
> precise stylus). 
> Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found very 
> annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the device, they 
> manage volume, which is very necessary to work with inside the cave...; I 
> will try to seal them once. And last thing, it´s necessary to protect screen 
> from drops of water, even small ones are registered and making some effect on 
> screen.
> So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this device 
> anywhere.
> But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid, it´s bit 
> expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can be instaled).
> Pavel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):
>> Good Morning.
>> 
>> Does anyone have experience with these?
>> 
>> Nautiz X8
>> 
>> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#
>> tab=tecspec
>> [1]
>> 
>> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]
>> 
>> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/naut
>> iz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
>> [3]
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> Links:
>> --
>> [1]
>> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#
>> tab=tecspec [2] 
>> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html
>> [3]
>> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/naut
>> iz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
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[Therion] Nautiz X8

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Thanks for the insights Pavel.
I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place.
I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows ones can run 
Android, but not vice versa.
So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water response.  
All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and muddy while 
surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water surprizes me, as our 
Trimble Recons have never responded to water (except once when swimming), and 
that assumption is the reason I am looking at them.
Regards
Bruce

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From: Therion  On Behalf Of Pavel Herich via Therion
Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18
To: List for Therion users 
Cc: Pavel Herich 
Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

Hello,
i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My device is 
built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me it works great, 
strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it just directly under the 
flowing water. But on the other hand, surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to run 
significantly slower than on the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu 
reactions, context menu calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth connection 
or any other core functionalities - anyway it could be just some settings 
error). Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not draw 
friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which doesn´t 
works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well, the screen is not 
so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly perhaps because of bigger 
screen, but I think the technology has been changed (you can use only plastic, 
thin protection of the screen to be able to use old and precise stylus). 
Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found very 
annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the device, they manage 
volume, which is very necessary to work with inside the cave...; I will try to 
seal them once. And last thing, it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of 
water, even small ones are registered and making some effect on screen.
So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this device 
anywhere.
But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid, it´s bit 
expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can be instaled).
Pavel




Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):
> Good Morning.
> 
> Does anyone have experience with these?
> 
> Nautiz X8
> 
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#
> tab=tecspec
> [1]
> 
> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]
> 
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/naut
> iz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
> [3]
> 
> Bruce
> 
> Links:
> --
> [1]
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#
> tab=tecspec [2] 
> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html
> [3]
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/naut
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Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Pavel Herich via Therion]

Hello,
i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My 
device is built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me it 
works great, strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it just 
directly under the flowing water. But on the other hand, surprisingly 
PocketTopo turned out to run significantly slower than on the previous, 
old and cheap PDA (means menu reactions, context menu calling and so; it 
doesn´t affect bleutooth connection or any other core functionalities - 
anyway it could be just some settings error). Then, I had to replace 
stylus, which was very wide and not draw friendly, instead I use thin 
stylus from old PDA (metal core), which doesn´t works perfectly, but 
it´s much better to work with. As well, the screen is not so precise for 
drawing than on my old PDA, partly perhaps because of bigger screen, but 
I think the technology has been changed (you can use only plastic, thin 
protection of the screen to be able to use old and precise stylus). 
Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found 
very annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the device, 
they manage volume, which is very necessary to work with inside the 
cave...; I will try to seal them once. And last thing, it´s necessary to 
protect screen from drops of water, even small ones are registered and 
making some effect on screen.
So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this 
device anywhere.
But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid, it´s 
bit expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can be 
instaled).

Pavel




Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):

Good Morning.

Does anyone have experience with these?

Nautiz X8

https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec
[1]

http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]

https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
[3]

Bruce

Links:
--
[1]
https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec
[2] http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html
[3]
https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
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Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

Aligator is 10 times cheaper than Nautiz!

Martin Sluka


> 31. 10. 2018 v 19:06, Bruce Mutton via Therion :
> 
> Good Morning.  
> Does anyone have experience with these?
>  
> Nautiz X8
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec
>  
> 
>  
> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html 
> 
>  
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

There is another company produces rugged smartphones with Android: aligator.cz

https://www.aligator.cz/en/products/en-outdoor/ 


You may use it with SexyTopo - it looks as PocketTopo under Android.

But I’m not sure they are available worldwide.

Martin Sluka

> 31. 10. 2018 v 19:06, Bruce Mutton via Therion :
> 
> Good Morning.  
> Does anyone have experience with these?
>  
> Nautiz X8
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec
>  
> 
>  
> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html 
> 
>  
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
>  
> 
>  
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[Therion] Nautiz X8

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Good Morning.  

Does anyone have experience with these?

 

Nautiz X8

 

https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=te
cspec

 

 
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html

 

 

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extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/

 

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