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[l...@blazcata.cz]

https://xkcd.com/1168/ :-)

\Ladislav

7. 12. 2013 v 19:31, Martin Sluka :

> I thought the W7 should be much better than XP. BUT: I had to do a dirty job 
> with one virus in command line (terminal). And what was running in XP didn't 
> run in W7: simple dir -a. The help wrote that switch -a should generate list 
> of all files in directory. But it DOESN'T .
> W8 is much more funny: the terminal is starting in default window size and 
> font size. It means something as bigger postage stamp on recent monitors. And 
> dir -a doesn't work either. Instead is dir /a. F….. M$!
> 
> m. 
> 
> Dec 5, 2013 v 9:53 AM, Ladislav Blažek :
> 
>> @Bruce, Debian is great but I think Windows7 is the best system for you - 
>> solid/stable/supported and without UI experiments (Metro).
>> 
> 
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[Martin Sluka]

I thought the W7 should be much better than XP. BUT: I had to do a dirty job 
with one virus in command line (terminal). And what was running in XP didn't 
run in W7: simple dir -a. The help wrote that switch -a should generate list of 
all files in directory. But it DOESN'T .
W8 is much more funny: the terminal is starting in default window size and font 
size. It means something as bigger postage stamp on recent monitors. And dir -a 
doesn't work either. Instead is dir /a. F….. M$!

m. 

Dec 5, 2013 v 9:53 AM, Ladislav Blažek :

> @Bruce, Debian is great but I think Windows7 is the best system for you - 
> solid/stable/supported and without UI experiments (Metro).
> 

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[Martin Sluka]

:)

m.


Dec 5, 2013 v 8:58 AM, Bruce :

> Apologies and condolences accepted.


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[Bruce]

>Bruce, it was comment of user of XP which had to start use W7 and tested a
bit W8. :/



Oops, that should have been suspected Mac user's comment then.

Apologies and condolences accepted.

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[Bruce]

A good response then, thank you all very much...

even though I could hear the disguised sneer in the Mac user's comment! ;)



It seems that Win7, 8.1 and Debian are all contenders for a Therion user.



This may be getting off topic...



My needs are;

-low risk, I cannot afford an interruption that requires me to focus my
whole attention before 'life as usual' can resume,



-resistance to change, I have many spreadsheets with embedded VBA that run
only on Excel 2000-2003 for Windows (and some other apps) (thanks to my
misplaced trust in Microsoft's forward compatibility). I need to dump my
existing XP environment 'exactly as is' into a virtual machine,



-low intensity, a migration that enables me to trickle my many applications
to the new os at my leisure over time (unless it can do it automatically in
one go),



-for the developing artist in the family; to run the latest wacom drawing
tablets (which XP does not)





While the Windows options might seem to be the natural choice for a Windows
user of 20 years, my testing of the waters to date suggests that Debian may
not be much more of a shock than the new Windows.  Apart from my legacy of
Windows knowledge, and data that depends on Windows apps I would go there in
a moment. I just lack the time to do a lot of relearning and a local Debian
mentor I think.



I am a bit worried though, about the amount of time it took Therion 5.3.11
to turn up in Debian!



I'd like to 'upgrade in place' on the same machine, but I think that
violates my first point above, so I guess I'm up for a new computer, at
least for the duration of the migration.



Wookey, can Wine or Virtualbox receive an intact XP system? It seems to me
it requires a fresh reinstall of Windows and all the apps?



Currently I'm hunting around for solutions like zinstall, but any
suggestions welcomed.



Bruce



PS - I see two Notepad++ users - is that coincidence because it is good
software? Or because of the entry in the Therion wiki?





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[Ladislav Blažek]

- I don't want to run another virtualized OS (and mess with data sharing)
on my PC just because of few apps.
- wine is not stable option for quite lot of apps
- IMHO Linux distro is not alternative for (just few examples):
- advanced photographer - there is not OSS alternative to Adobe
Lightroom/Aperture which is stable, has reasonable GUI, process RAW files
in the same quality and support complete workflow. And yes I know/used
GIMP, Darktable, RawTherapee, DigiKam etc. Also support for color profiles
is quite complicated.
- video hobbist - show me usable alternative for video editing
(iMovie). OSS alternatives are buggy or with terrible UI. I know, that
there are professional grade and utterly complicated apps like Cinelerra.
- CAD/CAM

GNU/Linux at the other hand is excellent option in case:
- you are developer, sysadmin
- you need internet/office pc
- you need HTPC for your living room
- you need server
- you have dedicated computer just for Therion stuff :-)



@Bruce, Debian is great but I think Windows7 is the best system for you -
solid/stable/supported and without UI experiments (Metro).

L.


2013/12/4 Wookey 

> +++ Ladislav Blažek [2013-12-04 14:22 +0100]:
> >I am big fan of free software and
> >GNU/Linux but it is still not 100% alternative to Windows/OS X on
> desktop.
>
> Which aspect do you find 'not 100%'?
>
> Clearly this can be true if you have to use some particular windows-only
> application (In my case I can only file expenses at work with IE due to
> a crappy 3rd-party website design, and have had reason to run a windows
> app once every couple of years for some reason or another - such as
> demoing tortoisesvn use in a windows environment for cavers at hidden
> earth this year, and running pockettopo)
>
> But wine and virtual machines (virtualbox) take care of this nicely.
>
> The point being that my life is a great deal more civilised running
> GNU/Linux daily and digging out an instance of Windows occaisionally
> when needed, than it would be the other way round. Obviously others
> might make different choices, and I don't want to overdo the
> prosletysing, but just wanted make clear that I can't agree with the
> idea that it's not a viable alternative desktop OS.
>
> Wookey
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[Martin Sluka]

Bruce, it was comment of user of XP which had to start use W7 and tested a bit 
W8. :/

Odesláno z iPhonu

5. 12. 2013 v 6:31, Bruce :

>  
> A good response then, thank you all very much...
> even though I could hear the disguised sneer in the Mac user's comment! ;)
>  
> It seems that Win7, 8.1 and Debian are all contenders for a Therion user.
>  
> This may be getting off topic...
>  
> My needs are;
> -low risk, I cannot afford an interruption that requires me to focus my whole 
> attention before 'life as usual' can resume,
>  
> -resistance to change, I have many spreadsheets with embedded VBA that run 
> only on Excel 2000-2003 for Windows (and some other apps) (thanks to my 
> misplaced trust in Microsoft's forward compatibility). I need to dump my 
> existing XP environment 'exactly as is' into a virtual machine,
>  
> -low intensity, a migration that enables me to trickle my many applications 
> to the new os at my leisure over time (unless it can do it automatically in 
> one go),
>  
> -for the developing artist in the family; to run the latest wacom drawing 
> tablets (which XP does not)
>  
>  
> While the Windows options might seem to be the natural choice for a Windows 
> user of 20 years, my testing of the waters to date suggests that Debian may 
> not be much more of a shock than the new Windows.  Apart from my legacy of 
> Windows knowledge, and data that depends on Windows apps I would go there in 
> a moment. I just lack the time to do a lot of relearning and a local Debian 
> mentor I think.
>  
> I am a bit worried though, about the amount of time it took Therion 5.3.11 to 
> turn up in Debian!
>  
> I'd like to 'upgrade in place' on the same machine, but I think that violates 
> my first point above, so I guess I'm up for a new computer, at least for the 
> duration of the migration.
>  
> Wookey, can Wine or Virtualbox receive an intact XP system? It seems to me it 
> requires a fresh reinstall of Windows and all the apps?
>  
> Currently I'm hunting around for solutions like zinstall, but any suggestions 
> welcomed.
>  
> Bruce
>  
> PS - I see two Notepad++ users - is that coincidence because it is good 
> software? Or because of the entry in the Therion wiki?
>  
>  
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[Wookey]

+++ Ladislav Blažek [2013-12-04 14:22 +0100]:
>I am big fan of free software and
>GNU/Linux but it is still not 100% alternative to Windows/OS X on desktop.

Which aspect do you find 'not 100%'?

Clearly this can be true if you have to use some particular windows-only
application (In my case I can only file expenses at work with IE due to
a crappy 3rd-party website design, and have had reason to run a windows
app once every couple of years for some reason or another - such as
demoing tortoisesvn use in a windows environment for cavers at hidden
earth this year, and running pockettopo)

But wine and virtual machines (virtualbox) take care of this nicely.

The point being that my life is a great deal more civilised running
GNU/Linux daily and digging out an instance of Windows occaisionally
when needed, than it would be the other way round. Obviously others
might make different choices, and I don't want to overdo the
prosletysing, but just wanted make clear that I can't agree with the
idea that it's not a viable alternative desktop OS.

Wookey
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http://wookware.org/

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[Ladislav Blažek]

Even Windows are not my primary OS I can say that Win7 is much much better
system than WinXP. It is actually probably the best OS from Microsoft not
crippled by Modern (Metro) = Win 8.x. I have only positive experience with
Win7 32/64bit and therion stuff. I am big fan of free software and
GNU/Linux but it is still not 100% alternative to Windows/OS X on desktop.
L.


2013/12/4 Graham Mullan 

> Wookey wrote:
> I shall just point out that world's best-maintained cave-surveying
> operating
> system is (IMHO) Debian, so if you have to change OS you should at least
> consider that one.
>
>
> If cave surveying was all that I did, I would, but it isn't, so I can't.
>
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[Graham Mullan]

Wookey wrote:
I shall just point out that world's best-maintained cave-surveying operating
system is (IMHO) Debian, so if you have to change OS you should at least
consider that one.


If cave surveying was all that I did, I would, but it isn't, so I can't.

Graham

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[Wookey]

+++ Footleg [2013-12-04 10:11 +]:
>I should add that I use the Sumatra PDF reader on Windows as it is the
>only PDF reader I have found on Windows which correctly renders my Therion
>generated PDFs without locking the file. So I can recompile my projects
>without needing to close the PDF viewer and the PDF is refreshed in the
>Sumatra window automatically, making for a much smoother workflow.
>Footleg

Did you try evince? That solves the Adobe locking problem, and I didn't
see rendering issues, but I've not used it seriously.


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[Wookey]

+++ Bruce [2013-12-04 20:26 +1300]:
>I’m staring down the barrel of having to migrate away from Windows XP.
> 
> 
> 
>To help me get started on the decision making process, are there any tales
>of terror or reassurance from the Therion family of application users with
>Win7 or Win8.1?

I shall just point out that world's best-maintained cave-surveying
operating system is (IMHO) Debian, so if you have to change OS you should at
least consider that one.


Wookey
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http://wookware.org/

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[Footleg]

I should add that I use the Sumatra PDF reader on Windows as it is the only
PDF reader I have found on Windows which correctly renders my Therion
generated PDFs without locking the file. So I can recompile my projects
without needing to close the PDF viewer and the PDF is refreshed in the
Sumatra window automatically, making for a much smoother workflow.

Footleg


On 4 December 2013 10:07, Footleg  wrote:

> I have been using most of those applications on Windows 7 on both 32bit
> and 64bit machines with no problems for several years. My recent upgrade of
> a laptop to Windows 8 resulted in me being unable to run either Aven (the
> Survex model viewer) or Loch. But the recent free upgrade to Windows 8.1
> fixed both those issues for me (an some other graphics rendering
> applications which had the same issue of crashing on launch). So now I am
> seeing no issues with any of these applications on Windows 8.1 (32 bit) on
> the laptop.
>
> Footleg
>
>
> On 4 December 2013 07:26, Bruce  wrote:
>
>>  I’m staring down the barrel of having to migrate away from Windows XP.
>>
>>
>>
>> To help me get started on the decision making process, are there any
>> tales of terror or reassurance from the Therion family of application users
>> with Win7 or Win8.1?
>>
>>
>>
>> To name a few applications that need to integrate well,  a text editor
>> (in my case Notepad++), Therion, Survex, PocketTopo, Topparser and Foxit or
>> Adobe pdf readers.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example Michael had (has?) a problem where Win7 will not open
>> thconfig files from the os explorer window, whereas windows xp works fine.
>> I think it gets stuck with wish84 as I mentioned on
>> http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/windows
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Footleg]

I have been using most of those applications on Windows 7 on both 32bit and
64bit machines with no problems for several years. My recent upgrade of a
laptop to Windows 8 resulted in me being unable to run either Aven (the
Survex model viewer) or Loch. But the recent free upgrade to Windows 8.1
fixed both those issues for me (an some other graphics rendering
applications which had the same issue of crashing on launch). So now I am
seeing no issues with any of these applications on Windows 8.1 (32 bit) on
the laptop.

Footleg


On 4 December 2013 07:26, Bruce  wrote:

>  I’m staring down the barrel of having to migrate away from Windows XP.
>
>
>
> To help me get started on the decision making process, are there any tales
> of terror or reassurance from the Therion family of application users with
> Win7 or Win8.1?
>
>
>
> To name a few applications that need to integrate well,  a text editor (in
> my case Notepad++), Therion, Survex, PocketTopo, Topparser and Foxit or
> Adobe pdf readers.
>
>
>
> For example Michael had (has?) a problem where Win7 will not open thconfig
> files from the os explorer window, whereas windows xp works fine.  I think
> it gets stuck with wish84 as I mentioned on
> http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/windows
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
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[Xavier Pennec]

Hi Bruce,

I am running Notepad++, Therion, Survex, PocketTopo, Topparser and Adobe 
readers in Win7 without problem.
It took me a while to find a workaround the problem with the config file 
but I finally found out that renaming the config file with a th 
extension (e.g. mycave.thconfig -> mycave_thconfig.th) was the solution 
as xtherion recognizes it as a config file and opens it automatically in 
the right config window.

I have no clue about Win8.1.

Xavier


Le 04/12/2013 08:26, Bruce a écrit :
>
> I'm staring down the barrel of having to migrate away from Windows XP.
>
> To help me get started on the decision making process, are there any 
> tales of terror or reassurance from the Therion family of application 
> users with Win7 or Win8.1?
>
> To name a few applications that need to integrate well,  a text editor 
> (in my case Notepad++), Therion, Survex, PocketTopo, Topparser and 
> Foxit or Adobe pdf readers.
>
> For example Michael had (has?) a problem where Win7 will not open 
> thconfig files from the os explorer window, whereas windows xp works 
> fine.  I think it gets stuck with wish84 as I mentioned on 
> http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/windows
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
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