[Therion] clashing areas

[Bruce]

>You should move the border of area and area togehter.



Thanks Martin, I had not figured that one out, might explain some of the
troubles I had from time to time.

I have put together a page that hopefully removes some of the mystery.

http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=tips#drawing_orderhow_to_draw_symb
ols_over_or_under_an_area



Corrections welcome.



Graham

If you are using a water or sump area symbol that has an opaque background,
then naturally anything under area will be hidden.  I forget whether the
default hatched symbols have an opaque background or not.  The blue filled
customizations on the wiki are opaque.

I am not sure if Therion's transparency settings can help resolve that,
unless you draw a separate scrap underneath the scrap with the area
water/sump.



Bruce





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[Bruce]

Graham

It can be a bit tricky, but I can usually get area and point symbols to plot
under/over area water without one completely obscuring the other, but
sometimes it just does not work.  

Not sure if the transparency/opacity settings on scraps affect it.

If you have a custom sump/water definition, I imagine it is possible to code
it so that it would always be opaque to any entities drawn below it.

As you mentioned the order of entities in the th2 file can affect it, as can
-place top, -place bottom.

A small rambling here.

http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=drawingchecklist#options_common_to
_many_points_lines_and_areas

.that suggests other ideas.

Bruce





Hello Graham,



I was able to get a boulder in a sump to draw by specifying "-clip off" in
the options of the boulder. 



Best regards,



Jonny

How do I get to show boulders or debris on the floor of a sump? Whether I
put the debris area before or after the sump area, the rocks remain hidden
by the water. In the end I hand drew some big boulders, after the water,
which now are visible but also appear not to be wet.

Graham



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[Jonny Prouty]

This would be a bit of a hack, but have you tried making two scraps using
the same stations, but one holding the lines defining the sump area, and
the others defining the rocks? Call them in a map as follows:

*map rockysump -proj plan*
*sump_scrap*
*
*
*break*
*
*
*rock_scrap*
*endmap rockysump*

This might work for you, although it is certainly extra work.

Best regards,

Jonny

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Bruce  wrote:

>  Graham
>
> It can be a bit tricky, but I can usually get area and point symbols to
> plot under/over area water without one completely obscuring the other, but
> sometimes it just does not work.  
>
> Not sure if the transparency/opacity settings on scraps affect it.
>
> If you have a custom sump/water definition, I imagine it is possible to
> code it so that it would always be opaque to any entities drawn below it.*
> ***
>
> As you mentioned the order of entities in the th2 file can affect it, as
> can –place top, -place bottom.
>
> A small rambling here…
>
>
> http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=drawingchecklist#options_common_to_many_points_lines_and_areas
> 
>
> …that suggests other ideas.
>
> Bruce
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Hello Graham,
>
> ** **
>
> I was able to get a boulder in a sump to draw by specifying "-clip off" in
> the options of the boulder. 
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Jonny
>
> How do I get to show boulders or debris on the floor of a sump? Whether I
> put the debris area before or after the sump area, the rocks remain hidden
> by the water. In the end I hand drew some big boulders, after the water,
> which now are visible but also appear not to be wet.
>
> Graham
>
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[Martin Sluka]

On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Graham Mullan wrote:

> How do I get to show boulders or debris on the floor of a sump? Whether I put 
> the debris area before or after the sump area, the rocks remain hidden by the 
> water. In the end I hand drew some big boulders, after the water, which now 
> are visible but also appear not to be wet.

Check, please, if the border defining the area (if you used it) is in correct 
order too. You should move the border of area and area togehter.

May you try to use line option: debris or blocks?

m.s.
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How do I get to show boulders or debris on the floor of a sump? Whether 
I put the debris area before or after the sump area, the rocks remain 
hidden by the water. In the end I hand drew some big boulders, after the 
water, which now are visible but also appear not to be wet.

Graham

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[Jonny Prouty]

Hello Graham,

I was able to get a boulder in a sump to draw by specifying "-clip off" in
the options of the boulder.

Best regards,

Jonny

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Graham Mullan
wrote:

> How do I get to show boulders or debris on the floor of a sump? Whether I
> put the debris area before or after the sump area, the rocks remain hidden
> by the water. In the end I hand drew some big boulders, after the water,
> which now are visible but also appear not to be wet.
>
> Graham
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[Marco Corvi]

i tried with two scraps, one with the water the other with the blocks (or a 
block area).
the blocks are above or below the water depending on the order of the scraps in 
the map.

not sure this is what you wanted. 

marco




 From: Graham Mullan 
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Subject: [Therion] clashing areas

How do I get to show boulders or debris on the floor of a sump? Whether I put 
the debris area before or after the sump area, the rocks remain hidden by the 
water. In the end I hand drew some big boulders, after the water, which now are 
visible but also appear not to be wet.

Graham
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