[tw] Re: Cannot get left hand side column menus
Hello Herb, The behavior you are describing reminds me *a lot* of MonkeyPirateTiddlyWiki (aka MPTW), which is one of the modified flavor of TW. Is it such a version that you are using ? If yes, then it is an explicit of this feature to shift the MainMenu to the top, so if you are just starting and the MainMenu on the left is mandatory for you, then maybe you should try a standard TW. TW : http://www.tiddlywiki.com MPTW : http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com Enjoy ! Nicolas. On Dec 11, 2008 1:49pm, Herb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am very new to tiddlywiki so please excuse my ignorance. I have edited MainMenu for the links that I want to appear on the left. However they appear under the SiteTitle SiteSubtile tiddlers in a horizonal line. How do I toggle these to appear as a separate menu column on the left. Regards Herb Swanson --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TaggedTemplatePlugin
Fans of Eric's TaggedTemplateTweak, and I count myself as one, might
like to look at my TaggedTemplatePlugin, which is the same idea, but
with different priority designed for partially defined themes:
http://whatfettle.com/2008/07/TaggedTemplatePlugin/
I'm wondering if you built your variant code after reading through an
*older* version of TaggedTemplateTweak (TTT). The current version is:
version.extensions.TaggedTemplateTweak= {major: 1, minor: 4, revision:
1, date: new Date(2008,8,29)};
The reason I think this might have been the case is that, contrary to
your documentation, both plugins *do* have the same priority for
applying partially defined themes... specifically, just as with your
code, TTT *does* look first in the current theme (aka, 'skin') to find
the matching template, and then looks for a separate tiddler only if
the template is not defined as a section of the theme.
Also (and again, contrary to your documentation), TTT does do a case-
*sensitive* lookup, followed by a fallback for case-*insensitive*
lookup. This fallback simply allows use of a leading lower case
letter on the tag value (the usual convention for most TW tags), with
proper WikiWord naming of the corresponding template, e.g, a tag of
foo will match [[fooViewTemplate]] first, with a fallback to
[[FooViewTemplate]].
Note that if both [[fooViewTemplate]] *and* [[FooViewTemplate]] were
to exist in the same document, (which, would be kind of odd, I
think...), then the Foo and foo tags would still be correctly
matched to their respective templates because the case-insensitive
lookup is only applied as a fallback if an exact, case-sensitive match
isn't found.
The last difference you reported is that your plugin sorts the tags
first, so that they are scanned in alphanumeric order, while TTT just
uses the order of the tags as they occur 'naturally' on the tiddler.
This re-ordering of the tags *can* produce a difference in the
template that is selected for use (assuming there is a conflict
between two tags on the same tiddler), but both plugins will stop
scanning the tags when they find the first matching template, so any
difference in result is *entirely* due to the order in which the tags
are scanned. It would be a simple matter add sorting to the tag
lookup in TTT, so in this final regard, TTT would then completely
match the functionality you want. Then, you could continue to use TTT
to meet your needs, without having to roll your own...
thoughts?
-e
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[tw] weird date problem
I have this in a 2.4 TW:
tiddler __dummy with:{{
window._today=new Date().formatString(drawing..0MM.0DD..hh.0mm.
0ss);
window._bitmap=new Date().formatString(drawing..0MM.0DD..hh.0mm.
0ss.jpg);
}}newTiddler
title: {{_today}}
label:new paint
prompt:create a new bitmap tiddler
text:{{
'[img['+_bitmap+']]\n' +
'LaunchApplication edit this bitmap click ' + _bitmap + '
\';
}}
tag: paint
I assume because I have ss in there (seconds) that if I click the
button again within 30 seconds it should generate a tiddler with a
date 30 seconds later, but it doesn't. It just returns drawing.
2008.12.11..9.44.22 (1) i.e. the same one it just did but with the
(1) added.
Am I misunderstanding how this should work, or is this a bug?
Dave Parker
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[tw] Re: www.TiddlyWiki.org downtime and support issues -- detailed report
I'd like to start off by thanking Greg for taking the time to share with us exactly why we've had these problems with the hosting at TiddlyWiki.org recently. As some of you probably already know, I've been a member of the TiddlyWiki community for a few years now. I've also been working with the UnaMesa association for over a year now, with most of my focus thus far having been on our educational and health care projects. However, in light of the recent hosting and support related problems I've taken a personal interest in streamlining our support systems and would like to go over that with you today. I'd like to clarify one important point first: All of this information pertains to hosting for TiddlyWiki.org and associated services such as trac.tiddlywiki.org and svn.tiddlywiki.org. It is not for the purpose of support for TiddlyWiki users and developers. These Google groups remain the preferred resource for that as well at #tiddlywiki on irc.freenode.net. In the past we've handled support requests and communication on a one-to-one basis via email, but recent experiences have shown that a more transparent system is needed. Both you to allow you the community to see what is happening and how support requests are being handled, but also to allow us to collaborate better and provide services to you as a team as opposed to your support requests being limited to one individual. Especially with the extra support staff we have brought on recently we are eager to ensure that we make the best possible use of it and provide the best service that we can to the community. On that note, we have set up a new support wiki at http://support.unamesa.org with TiddlyWiki.org support having a dedicated page at http://support.unamesa.org/TiddlyWiki.org We will endeavor to keep this page updated with information about any possible problems the hosting might be experiencing. Additionally, the discussions tab on that page allows you - the community - to report any problems you may have experienced with the hosting. From now on this will be the preferred channel for support requests and bug reports for TiddlyWiki.org and I'd like to request that you use it instead of reporting problems here or via email, so that we may provide you the best service possible. You do not need to create a user account on the wiki to enter a support request but you are welcome to do so. If you do leave a support request without signing in, please do sign your name after the request message so that we can contact you for follow-up if necessary. In the unlikely event that you may be unable to use the new support wiki, you can send your support requests to support+tiddlywiki [at] unamesa [dot] org. However please note that this should be used as a last resort and your use of the wiki as the primary mode of contact for support issues will allow us to provide better service. For those that are interested in other steps that have been taken to improve our support system, these include adding more support staff, backup systems with more oversight and better documentation of services being provided to the community, which in return allows greater oversight. It is my sincere hope that with your help, we will be able to provide a better and more effective support experience for everyone. Suggestions for further measures and changes in this vein are most welcome. Best regards, Saq Imtiaz (on behalf of the UnaMesa Association) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: Cannot get left hand side column menus
Yes yes!!! Thats exactly what it is. I did download MPTW (not knowing the difference) and have been looking for hours as to why my menus were not offset to the left. Thank you again for your insight and response Herb On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:38 AM, nicolas.syssoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Herb, The behavior you are describing reminds me *a lot* of MonkeyPirateTiddlyWiki (aka MPTW), which is one of the modified flavor of TW. Is it such a version that you are using ? If yes, then it is an explicit of this feature to shift the MainMenu to the top, so if you are just starting and the MainMenu on the left is mandatory for you, then maybe you should try a standard TW. TW : http://www.tiddlywiki.com MPTW : http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com Enjoy ! Nicolas. On Dec 11, 2008 1:49pm, Herb herbswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am very new to tiddlywiki so please excuse my ignorance. I have edited MainMenu for the links that I want to appear on the left. However they appear under the SiteTitle SiteSubtile tiddlers in a horizonal line. How do I toggle these to appear as a separate menu column on the left. Regards Herb Swanson gt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: Cannot get left hand side column menus
You're welcome. Note that TiddlyWiki does not have all the features MPTW has regarding the tagging functionalities, so if you need them, you'll have a dilemna to solve. You could also keep the MPTW for the tagging functionality and restore a menu on the left (there have been several questions on this mailing list before about that, so you'll find it easily I guess) Enjoy ! Nicolas On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 18:34, Herb Swanson herbswan...@gmail.com wrote: Yes yes!!! Thats exactly what it is. I did download MPTW (not knowing the difference) and have been looking for hours as to why my menus were not offset to the left. Thank you again for your insight and response Herb On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:38 AM, nicolas.syssoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Herb, The behavior you are describing reminds me *a lot* of MonkeyPirateTiddlyWiki (aka MPTW), which is one of the modified flavor of TW. Is it such a version that you are using ? If yes, then it is an explicit of this feature to shift the MainMenu to the top, so if you are just starting and the MainMenu on the left is mandatory for you, then maybe you should try a standard TW. TW : http://www.tiddlywiki.com MPTW : http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com Enjoy ! Nicolas. On Dec 11, 2008 1:49pm, Herb herbswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am very new to tiddlywiki so please excuse my ignorance. I have edited MainMenu for the links that I want to appear on the left. However they appear under the SiteTitle SiteSubtile tiddlers in a horizonal line. How do I toggle these to appear as a separate menu column on the left. Regards Herb Swanson gt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TaggedTemplatePlugin
Hi Eric!
I'm wondering if you built your variant code after reading through an
*older* version of TaggedTemplateTweak (TTT). The current version is:
version.extensions.TaggedTemplateTweak= {major: 1, minor: 4, revision:
1, date: new Date(2008,8,29)};
The version I looked at was indeed older, used by RippleRap:
http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/verticals/ripplerap/core/plugins/TaggedTemplateTweak.js
but at least was newer than the one I found here:
http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/EricShulman/plugins/SwitchThemePluginPatch.js
I have a strong preference to use a copy from release control from the
POV
of stability and convenience for cook, deployment, etc.
The reason I think this might have been the case is that, contrary to
your documentation, both plugins *do* have the same priority for
applying partially defined themes... specifically, just as with your
code, TTT *does* look first in the current theme (aka, 'skin') to find
the matching template, and then looks for a separate tiddler only if
the template is not defined as a section of the theme.
That's interesting, given that's the inverse behavior than the older
version, I didn't envisage you making such a drastic change in the
later version given making the tiddlers have priority over the skin
has
value; I can imagine a use-case where the Skin was the default theme
which a user could change by adding a tagged template tiddler.
I guess you realise this change breaks backwards compatibility for
any application using TTT which relies upon such behavior.
Also (and again, contrary to your documentation), TTT does do a case-
*sensitive* lookup, followed by a fallback for case-*insensitive*
lookup. This fallback simply allows use of a leading lower case
letter on the tag value (the usual convention for most TW tags), with
proper WikiWord naming of the corresponding template, e.g, a tag of
foo will match [[fooViewTemplate]] first, with a fallback to
[[FooViewTemplate]].
I have to be honest, and didn't find this feature useful, and
confusing,
especially with TagsSuchAsThis. I much prefer the canonicalisation
of tags to all lowercase with punctuation removed, this is common on
sites such as Flickr.
Note that if both [[fooViewTemplate]] *and* [[FooViewTemplate]] were
to exist in the same document, (which, would be kind of odd, I
think...), then the Foo and foo tags would still be correctly
matched to their respective templates because the case-insensitive
lookup is only applied as a fallback if an exact, case-sensitive match
isn't found.
As you say, that would be a little odd, but could be a valid use-case
for someone. With my approach tags called FooBar, fooBar, foobar,
etc all map to the single foobarViewTemplate and tiddlers called
FooBarViewTemplate or even fooBarViewTemplate would
be ignored.
The last difference you reported is that your plugin sorts the tags
first, so that they are scanned in alphanumeric order, while TTT just
uses the order of the tags as they occur 'naturally' on the tiddler.
This re-ordering of the tags *can* produce a difference in the
template that is selected for use (assuming there is a conflict
between two tags on the same tiddler), but both plugins will stop
scanning the tags when they find the first matching template, so any
difference in result is *entirely* due to the order in which the tags
are scanned.
I actually think picking the template based on the order tags are
defined, rather than by the priority of the names of the tags is a
valid use-case, it's just happens not to be *my* use-case.
It would be a simple matter add sorting to the tag
lookup in TTT, so in this final regard, TTT would then completely
match the functionality you want. Then, you could continue to use TTT
to meet your needs, without having to roll your own...
That's a generous gesture, and you of course you are free to add
sort to your plugin regardless of what I think, but I might discourage
it
given it changes what might be for someone interesting behavior.
We could make this optional, though that makes what is a simple
idea into a complex piece of machinery.
thoughts?
I thought long and hard before 'forking', and didn't do so lightly,
but my
thinking is this - we both find the notion of attaching templates by
tag
useful, and I dare say would both like to see this in the core:
http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/840
However, as we're discovering, there are options on the way such
mechanism might behave, and there are probably others we've not
yet thought through, and all of which have valid use-cases.
I therefore suggest we remain fellow travelers, and keep the fork.
One thing I do feel bad about is if I misrepresented TTT in my
documentation,
for this I apologise. My intent was to highlight the differences to
users, and
in a way gather information from the marketplace. Given you are
evolving TTT
I've removed that documentation, but kept an encouragement for people
to
look at your plugin:
[tw] Re: Columns in a tiddler?
{{cola{Contact information:}}}{{colb{Additional notes ...}}}{{clear
{}}}
in detail:
{{cola{
Contact information:
}}}
{{colb{
Additional notes ...
}}}
{{clear{
}}}
A second example:
{{cola{text in this line will be displayed in the left column}}}{{colb
{but text in this line will be displayed in the right column}}}{{clear
{}}}
in detail:
{{cola{
text in this line will be displayed in the left column
}}}
{{colb{
but text in this line will be displayed in the right column
}}}
{{clear{
}}}
Just paste this into a tiddler and you can see.
Regards,.
W.
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[tw] SegmentedFilterPlugin
Announcing the SegmentedFilterPlugin: http://whatfettle.com/2008/07/SegmentedFilterPlugin/ which I found this useful for building a filter from a series of filter clauses, one clause per line. For example, MainMenu and DefaultTiddlers can be something like: [[Profile]] [[ExperienceSection]] [tag[experience]] [sort[+dtstart]] [[EducationSection]] [tag[education]] [sort[-dtend]] [limit[5]] Enjoy! Paul (psd -- http://blog.whatfettle.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: CSS no line breaks
I am sorry, yes I meant tiddler.text, The tiddlers I am listing have
line breaks, TiddlyLinks, and formatting. I would like an output
similar to wrapping in {{{ }}} but I would like to retain my links and
formatting. I am guessing it is a simple CSS fix, but I am not having
much luck. (white-space: no-wrap maybe??)
Thx,
Mike
On Dec 3, 11:15 am, FND f...@gmx.net wrote:
I know that {{{ }}} will give me text with no line breaks, where
should I start to replicate that but include tiddler style IE,
header, link, bold, etc.
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
I am playing with FET, trying to create some reports using
tiddler.contents.
I might be mistaken, but I assume you mean tiddler.text?
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[tw] Re: Cannot get left hand side column menus
Hi Chris Thanks for the tip. I haven't got it to work yet but I will. I found a site http://changing.tiddlyspot.com that provides lots of themes. I am going to keep my MPTW version. It seems to have a lot of potential. Again I greatly appreciate the help as it has saved me hours. Regards Herb On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Chris W goo...@psychogeeks.com wrote: Hi Herb, I am very new to tiddlywiki so please excuse my ignorance. I have edited MainMenu for the links that I want to appear on the left. However they appear under the SiteTitle SiteSubtile tiddlers in a horizonal line. How do I toggle these to appear as a separate menu column on the left. This is a function of the theme that is applied in your TiddlyWiki. A generic TW from tiddlywiki.com shows the MainMenu on the left as you are expecting. The Monkey Pirate Tiddly Wiki (http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/) variant's default theme shows the MainMenu as you describe, and can be changed under options: select MptwStandard to get the original look. If you are using another TW variant then you might be able to find a similar theme. Hope this helps, Chris Williams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
