[tw] Re: Troubleshooting: Save to Web

2008-12-23 Thread Daniel Baird

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Lucius R Ivans
 wrote:
>
> When we have more than one person editing [...]
>

This won't work.  TiddlyWiki is *not* a multiuser wiki, and tiddlyspot
doesn't add anything to change that.  Tiddlyspot is just a
disc-in-the-sky for you to save your TW to.

It helps to think of your TiddlyWiki as a single word processing
document.  If multiple people edit it at the same time, the last
person to save will overwrite all the other changes.

If you need to support multiple simultaneous edits, you'll need to set
up a TiddlyWiki server-side system that supports that (like ccTiddly),
or move to a multi-user wiki like MediaWiki.

There's a nice list of TiddlyWiki serversides here:
http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Server-Side_Implementations#Overview

Check the multiuser column of that table.


Cheers
;Daniel

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[tw] Re: FadingMessagesPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Eric Shulman

>    http://whatfettle.com/2008/07/FadingMessagesPlugin/
> This removes the need to close displayed messages, by making them
> automatically disappear after a short interval.
> The FadingMessagesPlugin depends on another new plugin, the
>    http://whatfettle.com/2008/07/WikifiedMessagesPlugin/
> which enables displayed messages to contain wikified content.

Although I have some usability concerns about making *all* messages
automatically disappear, I do like the overall effect!! it just seems
to 'feel right'... though there are a few minor points of feedback for
you to consider:

1) Try to eliminate the dependency on WikifiedMessagesPlugin, either
by combining code from both tiddlers into a single plugin, or at least
make it optional; i.e., check to see if
config.extensions.WikifiedMessages is defined and, if not, fallback to
the current TW core method that just renders a line of text with a
possible link to an external URL.

2) Instead of drawing each message within it's own *visible* container
(i.e, an element with borders/background colour), I'd like to preserve
the current appearance of the message box area as much as possible.
In particular, there is only one visible container surrounding all
messages, even if several messages are displayed in rapid succession.
I still want the powerful new fade and wikify handling, but applied to
individual message DIVs with no border/background that are created
*within* that one container, rather than each message being rendered
into a separate visible container.

3) I'd like a simple checkbox option to disable/enable the fading
timer, as well as a text option input field to enter a the desired
display time before fading the messages.

your thoughts?
-e
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[tw] Re: 10 dialogs every save

2008-12-23 Thread FND

> Using firefox I get the following warning [...]

I assume that's Firefox 3 - as Morris has already suggested, the 
FirefoxPrivilegesPlugin should solve your problem then.

It's worth reading this section about other potential Firefox 3 issues:
 http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Firefox#Firefox_3
That way, if you run into trouble, you know where to start.


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[tw] Re: 10 dialogs every save

2008-12-23 Thread Morris Gray

On Dec 24, 10:09 am, Morris Gray  wrote:

> See http://firefoxprivileges.tiddlyspot.com/

I just remembered there is a bookmarklet you can drag to your Firefox
toolbar.  It's on the above site but you might not find it.  You can
easily set privileges for any of your TiddlyWikis

http://icanhaz.com/firefoxprivileges

Morris

On Dec 24, 10:09 am, Morris Gray  wrote:
> Seehttp://firefoxprivileges.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Morris
>
> On Dec 24, 8:36 am, "marsb...@googlemail.com"
>
>  wrote:
> > Why does tiddlywiki need to do 10 separate writes to save its state?
>
> > Using firefox I get the following warning 10 times every time I save:
>
> > 
> > A script from "file://" is requesting enhanced abilities that are
> > UNSAFE and could be used to compromise your machine or data:
>
> > Run or install software on your machine
>
> > Allow these abilities only if you trust this source to be free of
> > viruses or malicious programs.
> > 
>
> > I really don't wish to allow "file://" access to "run or install
> > software" on my machine as this would appear to be a very serious
> > attack vector for malware etc.
>
> > I don't mind manually clicking the dialog once... twice is probably a
> > bit annoying as it takes 2-3 seconds in firefox for the "accept"
> > button to appear. I realise there must be one save for the backup file
> > but it could be an option, or "save backup every N times".
>
> > The main issue is obviously to try to get tiddly to only save once,
> > not 10 times.
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[tw] Re: 10 dialogs every save

2008-12-23 Thread Morris Gray

See http://firefoxprivileges.tiddlyspot.com/

Morris

On Dec 24, 8:36 am, "marsb...@googlemail.com"
 wrote:
> Why does tiddlywiki need to do 10 separate writes to save its state?
>
> Using firefox I get the following warning 10 times every time I save:
>
> 
> A script from "file://" is requesting enhanced abilities that are
> UNSAFE and could be used to compromise your machine or data:
>
> Run or install software on your machine
>
> Allow these abilities only if you trust this source to be free of
> viruses or malicious programs.
> 
>
> I really don't wish to allow "file://" access to "run or install
> software" on my machine as this would appear to be a very serious
> attack vector for malware etc.
>
> I don't mind manually clicking the dialog once... twice is probably a
> bit annoying as it takes 2-3 seconds in firefox for the "accept"
> button to appear. I realise there must be one save for the backup file
> but it could be an option, or "save backup every N times".
>
> The main issue is obviously to try to get tiddly to only save once,
> not 10 times.
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[tw] Re: Troubleshooting: Save to Web

2008-12-23 Thread Lucius R Ivans

I've tried this out for a few days and it works well. Mostly. We're
still having issues when more than one person is editing at the same
time. As mentioned above, we have users from around the globe, so
trying to organize a "one-at-a-time" schedule will not be acceptable.
When we have more than one person editing, the person who performs the
first save keeps all their changes, but the second person's changes
are not saved after their web session - even after attempting that
Shift-Refresh. Also, the RSS feed doesn't seem to work. The first time
I save the RSS address, everything done on the Wiki before hand is
listed, but at the next save I get a message in the RSS that reads
"Live Bookmark feed failed to load". Any thoughts?

On Dec 17, 11:18 pm, "Daniel Baird"  wrote:
> Generally you see this when your browser unnecessarily caches the page.
>
> The short version of the story is that your saves do always work, but
> your browser is "helping" by keeping the old copy of your site stored
> on disk somewhere, and reloading that old copy instead of *really*
> refreshing the page.
>
> The solution is to do a Shift-Refresh (as in, hold shift while you
> click the browser's Refresh button).  In both Firefox and IE that will
> instruct the browser that you really do want it to go get a fresh copy
> from tiddlyspot.com.
>
> Cheers
> ;Daniel
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Lucius R Ivans
>
>
>
>  wrote:
>
> > I'm experiencing som ecomplications while attempting to same my
> > changes to the web server. I'll clarify as best I can:
>
> > I'm working on a TiddlyWiki located at 
> > (http://brotherhoodofoorn.tiddlyspot.com/
> > ).
>
> > After clicking "Save to Web" on the sidebar and waiting for the
> > confirmation that my save has completed, I'll reload and my changes
> > are not saved. I've found that my changes will appear if, instead of
> > simply reloading, I click the "Main TiddlyWiki file uploaded" link
> > provided in the "save progress" pop-up. I've also noticed that this
> > link brings me to a slightly different web address that has
> > "index.html" tagged onto the end of the URL. All saves will complete
> > successfully from here, but if I start my web session from the
> > "index.html" version of the web address, I still have to switch to the
> > "non-index.html" version for the changes to save correcly.
>
> > While I've managed to follow these steps and save my changes with
> > little trouble, my TiddlyWiki is being accessed by several other users
> > and these complications have severely hindered progress and even
> > discouraged some users from contributing entirely. I've also
> > experienced unsuccessful uploads while multiple users are attempting
> > to save changes within a short timeframe. My users are all
> > internatonal and ensuring only one person is uploading at a time is
> > nearly impossible.
>
> > I've also been told that some users of another TiddlyWiki, located at
> > (http://ditl.tiddlyspot.com/), are experiencing similar
> > difficulties. The majority of users of both TiddlyWikis are using
> > Mozilla FireFox 3, and a few using Microsoft Internet Explorer (I'm
> > unsure of the current version). If anyone is using any other web
> > browser, it's an insignificant amount of users.
>
> > Please let me know if you need any further details.
>
> > Thanks,
> > -Luce
>
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[tw] 10 dialogs every save

2008-12-23 Thread marsb...@googlemail.com

Why does tiddlywiki need to do 10 separate writes to save its state?

Using firefox I get the following warning 10 times every time I save:


A script from "file://" is requesting enhanced abilities that are
UNSAFE and could be used to compromise your machine or data:

Run or install software on your machine


Allow these abilities only if you trust this source to be free of
viruses or malicious programs.


I really don't wish to allow "file://" access to "run or install
software" on my machine as this would appear to be a very serious
attack vector for malware etc.

I don't mind manually clicking the dialog once... twice is probably a
bit annoying as it takes 2-3 seconds in firefox for the "accept"
button to appear. I realise there must be one save for the backup file
but it could be an option, or "save backup every N times".

The main issue is obviously to try to get tiddly to only save once,
not 10 times.


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[tw] Re: Doubts about using SlideShowPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread FND

> let us take as example Garratt Lisi's page [...]

That's actually a fairly bad example, as Garrett uses a heavily 
customized TiddlyWiki.
A minimal test case (e.g. a document hosted on Tiddlyspot), as described 
on the wiki page I'd referenced before, isolates the relevant details.

> the tiddlers tagged as "slide" have a fixed size. Note that he do not
> use all the space, but it is there. I want to do the same for making
> my slide-tiddlers having a fixed size.

So you want a fixed height (not width)? That should be fairly simple - 
add something like the following to your StyleSheet shadow tiddler:
 .tiddler {
 height: 500px;
 }
(you might also want to try ".tiddler .viewer {" instead)

>  The tiddler need to be shown all at once without scrollbar

Well, if the tiddler contents is taller than the given size, what do you 
want to happen? Use the overflow* property to control that behavior, e.g.:
 .tiddler .viewer {
 height: 500px;
 overflow: hidden;
 }

> The "text-align:center" piece of code centralizes the text "PIB's
> Journal Club" at the center of the tiddler, but in slide mode the text
> is uncentralized.

Well, I really need a proper demo document to analyze that.


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[tw] Re: Doubts about using SlideShowPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Eder Santana

OK! Problem (2) is solved, obrigado!

For problem (1), let us take as example Garratt Lisi's page (
http://deferentialgeometry.org/#[[E8%20triality%20structure]] ). Here,
the tiddlers tagged as "slide" have a fixed size. Note that he do not
use all the space, but it is there. I want to do the same for making
my slide-tiddlers having a fixed size. The tiddler need to be shown
all at once without scrollbar in slide mode.

For problem (3), I wrote a tiddler with

<>
-s-
@@display:block;text-align:center;PIB's Journal Club;@@

The "text-align:center" piece of code centralizes the text "PIB's
Journal Club" at the center of the tiddler, but in slide mode the text
is uncentralized.

Éder

On Dec 23, 3:16 pm, FND  wrote:
> > Maybe something that automatically resize the text to
> > make the tiddler fit a predefined size would work...
>
> This could certainly be achieved with some simple CSS - could you
> provide a test case* so we can tinker with it?
>
> > It would be cool to link a .wav or .mp3 to the slide. I think I can
> > use
> > ,
> > but there is any TW native way to do it?
>
> Well, there's Eric's PlayerPlugin:
>      http://www.tiddlytools.com/#PlayerPlugin
>
> You might also embed the audio files into the document:
>      http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Embedding_Files
> (Note the caveats.)
>
> > I need to format the text in the slide
> > The code @@display:block;text-align:center;"text"@@ does not work in
> > slide mode.
>
> See above; a test case would help us fix the problem without having to
> take guesses.
>
> -- F.
>
> *http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Troubleshooting
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[tw] Re: easy question (probably) re: autolinking

2008-12-23 Thread FND

> I kind of think the option to shut that feature off should be standard.

While personally I'm not a fan of WikiWords either, it's somewhat 
problematic to disable this feature in the TiddlyWiki core (both for 
legacy and for technical reasons).
Since there is a simple solution in the form of Eric's plugin, it's 
currently not a high priority for the core.*

FWIW, there's also some information on the community wiki:
 http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/WikiWords


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* cf. http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/465

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[tw] Re: tabs with tiddler parameters

2008-12-23 Thread FND

> I am trying to create a tabbed display for my twab address book.  The
> tabs are the letters A-Z [...]
> The programmer in me thinks I should be able to pass a parameter to a
> tiddler to render the data for a tab.

This has been achieved before - for example, take a look at this thread:
 http://tinyurl.com/a7tw2g 
(http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/6f576fa047a9c1ef/16fb83929d97d4ed#16fb83929d97d4ed)

HTH.


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[tw] Re: Doubts about using SlideShowPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread FND

> Maybe something that automatically resize the text to
> make the tiddler fit a predefined size would work...

This could certainly be achieved with some simple CSS - could you 
provide a test case* so we can tinker with it?

> It would be cool to link a .wav or .mp3 to the slide. I think I can
> use
> ,
> but there is any TW native way to do it?

Well, there's Eric's PlayerPlugin:
 http://www.tiddlytools.com/#PlayerPlugin

You might also embed the audio files into the document:
 http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Embedding_Files
(Note the caveats.)

> I need to format the text in the slide
> The code @@display:block;text-align:center;"text"@@ does not work in
> slide mode.

See above; a test case would help us fix the problem without having to 
take guesses.


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[tw] Re: FadingMessagesPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Eric Shulman

> This plugin automatically appends
> each message to a shadow tiddler, MessageLog, to provide a short-term,
> per-session record of messages without altering any 'real' tiddlers in
> your document.

Although either a shadow tiddler or a temporary tiddler might have
been used here, I deliberately chose to use a shadow tiddler rather
than a temporary tiddler so that the default message logging behavior
would have absolutely no impact on users that don't care about the
MessageLog.

By using a shadow, it is 100% guaranteed that no changes to the
tiddler 'store' will occur and thus no triggering of notification
handlers that might cause unwanted side-effects.  In contrast, a
temporary tiddler still modifies the tiddler 'store', and could still
trigger notification handlers, as well as appearing in the tabbed
lists of tiddlers (unless it was also tagged with 'excludeLists'),
even if the [[MessageLog]] tiddler would be meaningless (or even
distracting) to the specific audience for that document.

-e

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[tw] Re: Creating a Link That References to a Specific Part of a Tiddler

2008-12-23 Thread Eric Shulman

> >    [[SomeTiddler##heading1]]
> > or
> >    [[text to show|SomeTiddler##heading1]]

Note: the extended linking syntax can also be used with permalinks.
For example, this link:
   http://www.tiddlytools.com/#CoreTweaks##784
will take you directly to the section of CoreTweaks that contains the
code for adding 'section link' handling

enjoy,
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[tw] Re: FadingMessagesPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Eric Shulman

> > Just a word of caution: As long as TiddlyWiki doesn't have a persistent
> > message store*, faded messages are irretrievable.
> I can see two additional plugins in this area:
> 1) a "log" of previous messages, probably a temporary tiddler
> #1 seems doable,

Try this:
   http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#MessageLogPlugin

Description:
---
By default, messages displayed by TiddlyWiki are not retained once
they are dismissed from the display. This plugin automatically appends
each message to a shadow tiddler, MessageLog, to provide a short-term,
per-session record of messages without altering any 'real' tiddlers in
your document.

You can view the MessageLog tiddler at any time to review the previous
messages and, if you convert the shadow tiddler to a 'real' tiddler
(by editing it), then any subsequent messages will be added to that
real tiddler instead of the shadow. This real tiddler will, of course,
be saved with the rest of your TW document when you save the file,
allowing you to keep a persistent, inter-session log rather than a
short-term, per-session log.
-

enjoy,
-e
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TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
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[tw] Re: FadingMessagesPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Paul Downey (psd)

> Just a word of caution: As long as TiddlyWiki doesn't have a persistent
> message store*, faded messages are irretrievable.

I can see two additional plugins in this area:

1) a "log" of previous messages, probably a temporary tiddler
2) some notion of prioratizing a message - ERROR,WARNING,NOTICE, etc,
probably with the data stored in one place against the messages,
similar to lingo, and then syslog type rules for routing messages.

#1 seems doable, but as I'm strongly hinting, #2 is a slippery slope
to reinventing syslog :)

Paul (psd)
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[tw] Re: FadingMessagesPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread FND

This is good stuff, Paul, I really like it!

Just a word of caution: As long as TiddlyWiki doesn't have a persistent 
message store*, faded messages are irretrievable. (Of course this isn't 
much different from the current situation where messages are usually 
dismissed manually.)


-- F.


* cf. http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/31
  FWIW, Saq and I had done a tiny bit of exploratory hacking last year:
 http://twconsole.tiddlyspot.com/#TwConsolePlugin

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[tw] Re: Doubts about using SlideShowPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/

Oops, read the post too quickly. I thought you meant you needed to fix
images to a certain size.

Dave
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[tw] Re: Doubts about using SlideShowPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/

 1. I need to make my slides with fixed size.
> I am using <> macro, since tiddlers has a varying size, the
> presentation became a little unorganized, and sometimes  there is a
> scrollbar u_u. Maybe something that automatically resize the text to
> make the tiddler fit a predefined size would work...



Just add the URL or filepath, and adjust the height and width as
needed.

Dave
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[tw] Re: Default tiddler doesn't load Quote of the Day

2008-12-23 Thread Ken Girard

A way to get what you want is to create a tiddler (RandomTiddler) and
put the quote of the day text in it. Now put [[RandomTiddler]] in your
DefaultTiddler.

Ken Girard

On Dec 22, 11:30 pm, Eric Shulman  wrote:
> > When I put the quote-of-the-day text in the DefaultTiddler section
>
> [[DefaultTiddlers]] should *only* contain a list of the tiddlers that
> you want to have automatically opened at startup nothing else
> should be in that tiddler: no macros, no literal text, no
> formatting... just a static list of space-separated, bracketed tiddler
> names.
>
> -e
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[tw] Re: List filter & multi-word tags

2008-12-23 Thread overett1

> You need to enclose the filter expression in quotes:
>      <>

Ah, thanks, will try that.

Jonathan
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Re: MGTD upgrade errors out any time, every time

2008-12-23 Thread Jim McD

How did you upgrade the TW version ?

On Dec 23, 1:00 pm, birddog  wrote:
> Resolved it by upgrading the TW version...again.
>
> On Dec 20, 6:48 am, birddog  wrote:
>
> > On Dec 19, 6:59 pm, birddog  wrote:
>
> > > I tried using the upgrade strategy o my MGTD version at:
>
> > >http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/MonkeyGTD/Keeping_your_MonkeyGTD_up_to_date
>
> > > I was hoping to upgrade the version on tiddlyspot, which is 3.0 alpha
> > > r517002. But if I use the instructions, I get:
>
> > > Error getting list of tiddlers, click Cancel to try again.
>
> > > I have tried this from my work computer and my home computer. So, it
> > > isn't some local network issue. How do I upgrade?
>
> > OK. I managed to import all toddlers from the upgrade URL. I had to
> > save a local copy from TiddlySpot first. But since I imported all of
> > the tiddlers, I'm getting a new error:
>
> > Error in macro <>
>
> > That doesn't seem to exist. Another tiddler is referencing it. Where
> > do I get it?
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[tw] Doubts about using SlideShowPlugin

2008-12-23 Thread Eder

Hello!
I am using Paulo Soares's plugin to make a presentation and there are
some things that I need to do. Can somebody help me?

What I need:

  1. I need to make my slides with fixed size.
I am using <> macro, since tiddlers has a varying size, the
presentation became a little unorganized, and sometimes  there is a
scrollbar u_u. Maybe something that automatically resize the text to
make the tiddler fit a predefined size would work...

  2. I need to narrate the slide
It would be cool to link a .wav or .mp3 to the slide. I think I can
use
,
but there is any TW native way to do it?

  3. I need to format the text in the slide
The code @@display:block;text-align:center;"text"@@ does not work in
slide mode.

Thank you.

Éder Santana
Laboratory Biological Information Processing
São Luís, Brazil
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