[tw] Re: Lists in tables?

2011-07-09 Thread Sub
Thanks for the reply, but it's just another complicated hack solution
for a simple thing like a list in a table cell.

I'm using TW at work and solutions like this are useless since you
cannot seriously explain it to your colleagues.


On Jul 8, 4:12 pm, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Sub

  |cell|* list item 1
  *list item 2|
  |cell|cell|

  I searched and found 2 hack solutions which are not practicable at
  all.

  Is there a proper solution?

 Basic tools in TW are macros.
 One way to insert multiline content into a tablecell is to use the
 tiddlermacro:
 tiddler TiddlerTitle or more detailed tiddler
 TiddlerTitle##TiddlerSection or tiddler
 TiddlerTitle::tiddlerslice

 If you want to show a list in a cell you can do it like this:

 |tiddler TiddlerTitle|

 where [[TiddlerTitle]] contains the list - or you can put the list in
 a hidden section in the current tiddler containing the table - like
 this:

 |tiddler TiddlerTitle##List|
 /%
 !List
 *ListItem#1
 *ListItem#2
 !end
 %/

 Cheers Måns Mårtensson
 (Btw - I'm NOT a programmer - just using TW for everything I can think
 of...)







  All these missing BASIC features are the reason why TW will never be
  used by the masses. It's only cool for users who have experience in
  Skriv teksten til 'New Tiddler 'prgramming / webdesign.

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[tw] Re: Treeview Executive, visibility of Tags and Creation Date

2011-07-09 Thread HansBKK
On Friday, July 8, 2011 10:10:32 PM UTC+7, TW-User wrote:

 On Treeview Executive, how to make tags and creation dates visible on 
 each Tiddler 

 http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/


Modify the ViewTemplate. Here's a snippet from (just under title of) the 
default core TW design for a starting point.

div class='subtitle'span macro='view modifier link'/span, span 
macro='view modified date'/span (span macro='message 
views.wikified.createdPrompt'/span span macro='view created 
date'/span)/div
div class='tagging' macro='tagging'/div

If you really only want the creation date and not the other stuff, then just 
remove the latter spans from the subtitle div.

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[tw] Re: Lists in tables?

2011-07-09 Thread HansBKK
On Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:03:11 PM UTC+7, Sub wrote:

 Thanks for the reply, but it's just another complicated hack solution 
 for a simple thing like a list in a table cell. 

 I'm using TW at work and solutions like this are useless since you 
 cannot seriously explain it to your colleagues. 



Putting a list into a table cell requires such workarounds because it's 
something that the designers of the web never intended. 

You're trying to use a table for layout, trying to get a certain display of 
your content within a tiddler, correct?

In HTML a table cell is designed to hold a single datum, since a table is 
intended to lay out tabular data, as in a database table.

You should be using CSS for layout, but that does take a certain amount of 
knowledge and experience.

Maybe you should be using something like Excel for layout, might be more 
appropriate for your and your colleague's skill level. . .

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[tw] Re: Lists in tables?

2011-07-09 Thread Sub
Stop guessing purposes and judging other people by single posts on the
internet you troll.

Putting a list into a table cell requires such workarounds because
it's
something that the designers of the web never intended.

LOL!!

On Jul 9, 6:52 pm, HansBKK hans...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:03:11 PM UTC+7, Sub wrote:

  Thanks for the reply, but it's just another complicated hack solution
  for a simple thing like a list in a table cell.

  I'm using TW at work and solutions like this are useless since you
  cannot seriously explain it to your colleagues.

 Putting a list into a table cell requires such workarounds because it's
 something that the designers of the web never intended.

 You're trying to use a table for layout, trying to get a certain display of
 your content within a tiddler, correct?

 In HTML a table cell is designed to hold a single datum, since a table is
 intended to lay out tabular data, as in a database table.

 You should be using CSS for layout, but that does take a certain amount of
 knowledge and experience.

 Maybe you should be using something like Excel for layout, might be more
 appropriate for your and your colleague's skill level. . .

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[tw] Re: Giewiki: 5 questions for Poul (or anyone)

2011-07-09 Thread Poul
Oh, that's why: the root page cannot be deleted.

On 8 Jul., 11:23, Ash ashiru...@gmail.com wrote:
 inline:

 On Jul 8, 7:00 am, Poul poul.stauga...@gmail.com wrote:

  Sorry, I don't scan this group regularly.

  1: Intra-site tiddler links the syntax [[text|/FeedBack#%5B%5BNice
  %20Job%5D%5D]] . You can easily find the link via the SiteMap, using
  your browser's feature for giving the exact link.

  2: I will have to look into this.

  3: Unless the PageProperties dialog is screwed up, you can delete the
  entire page that way. As for the plugin manager, I'll have to look
  into this.

 Thanks for all that.

 I can't see a way to delete a page using that dialog.

 This is the root page of my GieWiki and the Page Setup dialog
 works (although it doesn't let me assign a group to the page for
 some reason), however there is no delete page link or something
 (what am I looking for?). The actual PageSetup tiddler itself only has
 a close link above it and a save link at the bottom of the actual
 dialog.

 Is my PageProperties screwed up? (If so how do I delete the tiddlers
 via the GAE data viewer.)

 thanks,
 Ash

  4. There currently is no support for exporting specific tiddler or the
  entire site, only pages.

  5. Use the MPTW template or tailor it to your taste.

  On 1 Jul., 12:38, Ash ashiru...@gmail.com wrote:

   I'm trying to use Giewiki as an internal company wiki, but I have a
   few things I'm very unclear about.

   1. How do I link to tiddlers on other pages? Giewiki allows pages
   (i.e. mygiewiki.appspot.com/project1#ATiddler) is there an expended
   link syntax for linking to tiddlers on other pages? Tiddlyspace has
   TiddlerInAnotherSpace@anotherspace syntax.

   2. I'm having a lot of problems getting access permissions to actually
   work. I have two people b...@mycompany.com (a Google Apps  account) and
   j...@mycompany.com (also). I don't want joe to access (i.e. even view)
   a certain page (e.g. the /project1 page) or any of the tiddlers within
   it. I can set bob to a project1 group but these appear to be specific
   to a page, not across pages. Whatever I do, it doesn't seem to work :(

   3. I accidentally imported a whole (actually a tiddlyspace wiki,
   funnily enough) wiki which includes a lot of incompatible plugins. I
   managed to delete some unwanted tiddlers in bulk by directly managing
   the datastore via GAE interface. I don't mind losing all the data and
   starting again but I'm too nervous just to delete the whole datastore
   as I bet it will be left in an inconsistent state. Trying to delete
   the plugins via the PluginManager interface just reported an error
   that it needs a reason so I can't delete them that way (even when I
   deselect the ask a reason when deleting preference).

   4. How do I export tiddlers, or the entire tiddlywiki? Is there any
   way the versioning will be kept?

   5. What's the simplest way to change the theme/skin to make it look
   prettier?

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[tw] URGENT: Who owns raemes and console.tiddlyspace.com

2011-07-09 Thread PMario
raemes seems to use the neui-em theme, but seems to have copied all
the tiddlers, which is ok, but doesn't get automatic update. The TS
include mechanism would be a better choice here. console seems to be
the owner of raemes.

console is a problem for me, since it copied a lot of my tiddlers, and
puts them into a wrong context.

eg: SiteInfo  which states
This is pmario's homespace ... which is deffinitely not the case.
It also links to my favicon and my personal SiteIcon.And copied
lot more tiddlers.

I think, there went something terribly wrong.
Please contact me immidiately. I think I can help.

-m
PS: @cdent or TiddlySpace admin, please check if there is a problem
with the recipe settings.

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[tw] The Application's digital signature has been verified.

2011-07-09 Thread hatgem
This dialog pops up, three times, whenever I load a particular TW file from 
my local drive. How can I stop it from happening? It only happens on my Mac, 
not on a Windows computer. 

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[tw] Re: Lists in tables?

2011-07-09 Thread Eric Shulman
 Stop guessing purposes and judging other people by single posts on the
 internet you troll.

This is a *very* friendly group.  Unlike other groups, many people in
the TW community are quick to offer their assistance, and we do NOT
insult people here, regardless of the questions, or the responses!

You began, reasonably enough, by asking for help from the TW community
to solve a problem you are facing, but regrettably also included some
unneeded negative commentary about how TW will never be used by the
masses, a statement that is sure to annoy at least some people in
this group.

Then, after a *work-around* solution was presented by @Mans, you
responded in a dismissive and unpleasant manner, calling the offered
help useless because *you* feel unable to explain it well enough to
your co-workers.

Even if this work-around doesn't actually help your particular use-
case, you might consider that *other people* might find the responses
informative or useful, even if you don't.

In addition, when @HansBKK offered another perspective on the topic,
he was not judging or disrespecting you in any way.  However, after
similarly dismissing his thoughts without any discussion, you
responded with a *personal attack* by calling him a troll.

Frankly, I find *your* the style of communication to be troll-ish as
well as being paradoxically both self-defeating (working against your
own goals) AND self-fulfilling (matching your negative expectations)
at the same time:

You ask for help, but respond with negativity that discourages people
from wanting to put in any effort to help you find a simple, effective
solution to your particular problem.  This, in turn, reinforces your
perception that TiddlyWiki is missing BASIC features and will never
be used by the masses because it consists of complicated hack
solution(s) for a simple thing(s).

I *strongly* suggest that, before you consider asking this group for
help again, you should post a suitable *public* apology to both Mans
and HansBKK.  Then, moving forward, leave the negative attitude at
the door and show some basic manners and courtesy when people attempt
to offer their assistance.

Note: if the negativity continues, I will unsubscribe you from the
group and block your posts (something I have, thus far, only done to
*spammers*).

-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
(and TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWikiDev GoogleGroups administrator)

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[tw] Re: Lists in tables?

2011-07-09 Thread Sub
I'm sorry if you're affended by my reply, but I'm not sorry for
reacting this way to HansBKK's troll attack against me.

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[tw] Re: Lists in tables?

2011-07-09 Thread Sub
My inentention of this thread may have been only showing my
disappointment for missing basic features such as lists in table cells
rather than looking for a simple solution.

My first reply to Mans may sound negative because he only wanted to
help (and I thanked him for that) but actually it's only negative
against TW which you of course feel attacked by.

But I def do not apologize for my reply to HansBKK's flame attack
against me.

On Jul 9, 11:55 pm, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote:
  Stop guessing purposes and judging other people by single posts on the
  internet you troll.

 This is a *very* friendly group.  Unlike other groups, many people in
 the TW community are quick to offer their assistance, and we do NOT
 insult people here, regardless of the questions, or the responses!

 You began, reasonably enough, by asking for help from the TW community
 to solve a problem you are facing, but regrettably also included some
 unneeded negative commentary about how TW will never be used by the
 masses, a statement that is sure to annoy at least some people in
 this group.

 Then, after a *work-around* solution was presented by @Mans, you
 responded in a dismissive and unpleasant manner, calling the offered
 help useless because *you* feel unable to explain it well enough to
 your co-workers.

 Even if this work-around doesn't actually help your particular use-
 case, you might consider that *other people* might find the responses
 informative or useful, even if you don't.

 In addition, when @HansBKK offered another perspective on the topic,
 he was not judging or disrespecting you in any way.  However, after
 similarly dismissing his thoughts without any discussion, you
 responded with a *personal attack* by calling him a troll.

 Frankly, I find *your* the style of communication to be troll-ish as
 well as being paradoxically both self-defeating (working against your
 own goals) AND self-fulfilling (matching your negative expectations)
 at the same time:

 You ask for help, but respond with negativity that discourages people
 from wanting to put in any effort to help you find a simple, effective
 solution to your particular problem.  This, in turn, reinforces your
 perception that TiddlyWiki is missing BASIC features and will never
 be used by the masses because it consists of complicated hack
 solution(s) for a simple thing(s).

 I *strongly* suggest that, before you consider asking this group for
 help again, you should post a suitable *public* apology to both Mans
 and HansBKK.  Then, moving forward, leave the negative attitude at
 the door and show some basic manners and courtesy when people attempt
 to offer their assistance.

 Note: if the negativity continues, I will unsubscribe you from the
 group and block your posts (something I have, thus far, only done to
 *spammers*).

 -e
 Eric Shulman
 TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
 (and TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWikiDev GoogleGroups administrator)

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[tw] Re: sliders output is different font?

2011-07-09 Thread joel
Thanks for your reply, Hans. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with
Firebug and I haven't changed any of the default fonts, so I assume
that all users are subjected to this weird phenomenon.  Perhaps it is
as simple as adding a few lines to the styleSheet.  Can anyone suggest
a solution?  Original post below.
--
Within my text, I want to add a slider that pushes down the other text
with a transclusion.
 slider click AboutTiddlyWiki 'Click here to learn more about
Tiddlywiki' '(Click again to close)'

That does the job just fine.  However, the transcluded tiddler
(AboutTiddlyWiki) is displayed in a strange font.  Links within the
transcluded text are especially difficult to read.

NestedSlidersPlugin preserves the font if a ^width^ is used;
+++^75%^[Click here to learn more about Tiddlywiki.|(Click again to
close)] tiddler [[AboutTiddlyWiki]] ===
but this causes the transcluded tiddler to float above and hide the
main body of text... I want it to push down!

I suspect I should be adding something to the StyleSheet, but all I
have managed to find are tweaks for the sidebar fonts.

I'd appreciate any hints.
Joel
(BTW, I am running this on IE8, if that changes anything.)

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[tw] Re: You need to save this TiddlyWiki to a file before you can save changes message

2011-07-09 Thread Måns
Hi Hal


 I have uploaded a TW file onto a server, using the BidiX UploadPlugin.
 I followed the directions given inhttp://www.tiddlywiki.org/#UploadPlugin.
 All runs well until I try to save my changes. Then I get the You need
 to save this TiddlyWiki to a file before you can save changes
 message.

 Previous discussions on this issue suggest that it can be resolved if
 I deselect the Automatically save changes option from the Advanced
 Options tiddler. I have done that, but that does not eliminate the
 problem. Is there some other setting that I need to change? I'd
 appreciate any suggestions.

9) Upload to your heart's content.' Now, every time you want to
upload the changes from your local file to the file on your website,
go to the upload section of the backstage area, be sure your username
and password are correct, and hit the upload button. That's it!
There should have been a number 10:
10) Save from web to web. Now, every time you want to upload the
changes from your website back to the file on your website, go to the
upload section of the backstage area, be sure your username and
password are correct, and hit the upload button. That's it!

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: You need to save this TiddlyWiki to a file before you can save changes message

2011-07-09 Thread Måns
Eric made http://www.tiddlytools.com/#SaveFromWebPlugin
which might be the thing you are looking for? I haven't tried it
myself.


On 9 Jul., 19:15, Hal hchristen...@crsol.com wrote:
 I have uploaded a TW file onto a server, using the BidiX UploadPlugin.
 I followed the directions given inhttp://www.tiddlywiki.org/#UploadPlugin.
 All runs well until I try to save my changes. Then I get the You need
 to save this TiddlyWiki to a file before you can save changes
 message.

 Previous discussions on this issue suggest that it can be resolved if
 I deselect the Automatically save changes option from the Advanced
 Options tiddler. I have done that, but that does not eliminate the
 problem. Is there some other setting that I need to change? I'd
 appreciate any suggestions.

 Thanks
 Hal

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