date:20141122



 If I move the whole graph and then move a node the graph is centred again. 
 So the program works against the user :/
 IMO there is no notification needed for: positions stored and graph 
 centred message.


https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/2

 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???

2014-11-22 Thread Alberto Molina

Hi,
 

 What about this?

 $list filter=[[french]listed[courses]]

 $list filter=[[A2]listed[levels]field:titlecurrentTiddler]

 /$list

 /$list


The only problem I see with nested list widgets like this is a potential 
performance problem. If the first widget gets 100+ results, then the second 
widget is executed 100+ times, which means retrieving the same exact list 
100+ times. And its getting worth when we add more layers.

But so far it works.

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???



Am Samstag, 22. November 2014 02:01:16 UTC+1 schrieb Tobias Beer:

 Hi Stephan,

 Works pretty well, I'd say.
 Lesson learned: Why use one list if you can nest two? ^_^


The problem with this is: The complexity is O(n^2). The inner list needs to 
be executed for each member of the outer list again.

I think with proper set operators and/or variables which could hold sets, 
stuff like this could be enhanced.

!-- fictious example --

$set name=outer filter=[[french]listed[courses]]

$set name=inner filter=[[A2]listed[levels]

$list filter=[allouter]  [allinner]/

/$set

/$set





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Re: [tw] [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

2014-11-22 Thread Alex Hough

Dear Richard,

I think you are onto something here with tiered learning. Your observation
about TiddlyWiki being used by people for personal and valuable information
is a valuable one. There is a lot of emotion bound up in ones personal
notes, and TiddlyWiki is the vehicle for connecting and grouping personal
insights.

One of TiddlyWiki's many joys is the way it gently pulls  you into wanting
to learn more about it. Thinking back to my first encounter I think it was
editing a tiddler TiddlyWiki.com and making a link. It's the experience of
using which got me hooked. Before long I wanted to change the colours - I
then encountered the warmth of the community - some of which I now
recognise as being part of many open source projects. It was my
introduction to open source culture and looking back it has had a huge
impact on the way I think about many things. Everything should be open
source, everything should be run like TiddlyWiki: my car, house, kids
school, local governant.

Måns made an observation that tiddlng can be a therapeutic activity. I must
not be the only one not totally focused on producing a set of notes for a
groundbreaking use case (thanks to TiddlyWiki I now use words like ’use
case') -- the activity of tending to my TiddlyWiki is to enter a mental
zone where problems can be solved, people are diverse, interesting and
polite.

The diversity is especially interesting to me, and as an English person
subject to a public discourse where anti-European sentiment is all
pervasive, it's wonderful to find myself communicating with fellow
Europeans. It's refreshing - so much of online culture and popular culture
in general comes from the USA. TiddlyWiki culture has a certain feal about
it. And it it TiddlyWiki worked 'too well' - nobody would have any problems
and the side effect of an emerging  culture would simply not occur.

Back to tiered leaning... TiddlyWiki.com could host many TiddlyWikis, the
one which new people see could be minimal. The user could simply edit a
tiddler the download it. The simplicity of a new fresh TiddlyWiki on
one URL - minimal beauty there to see and experience. A 'blank sheet of
paper' ready for ideas --- so enticing a premise. (In the past if I had a
new idea I'd go through the ritual of buying a new notebook, a new pen or
something - now I get a new TiddlyWiki)

After editing, and downloading, and getting comfortable with tagging, I
think the next step is using a tag to change the appearance, using the
style sheet tag. I though Stephan did something rather cool in an answer to
a question. Rather than giving the answer he gave an example and
encouragement to use it on TiddlyWiki.com. I thought that this was a
breakthough - it reinforces the idea that once in the browser TiddlyWiki is
yours and yours only - there is no server connection!

And 'THERE IS NO SERVER CONNECTION' is quite a big thing to deal with... I
think it takes a while for the penny to drop. It opend up a huge number of
possibilities - being told that TiddlyWiki can be emailed, stored on a data
peg or put in a drop box all follow on from this astounding fact. I'd
emphasise that this is really a big thing for people I am introducing to
tiddlywiki to understand. Even technical people don't see the benefits -
rather they thing because its got no server then it's a toy for those
dabbling in development.

The latest step for me has been towards GitHub. I can see how beneficial it
is. Again this is a big step, and it along wth TiddlyWiki offers more
insight into coding culture - a culture which non coders can derive
benefits. For example, academics are now using GitHub for colaboration on
papers. GitHUb has jumped the gap. Having a TiddlyWiki with all the
documentation available from GitHub could be something to concider. This
would introduce the idea that documentation is part of the TiddlyWiki
experience. If you want to delve deeper into TiddlyWiki the notion of
co-creating knowledge and documenting it is part of being part of the
community -- if you want. It's also an entry into 'how knowlege should be
created' in more general terms. A learning practitioner should be engaged
in reflective practice and sharing knowledge in a community - this is what
academic publishing is all about, or should be about: it's lack or open
source ethos is only just beginning to be adressed - most knowledge is
behind the so called academic firewall.

Einought for now--'real life' calls...

Alex

On Saturday, 22 November 2014, jb dallas...@gmail.com wrote:

 In terms of easing adoption for new users, one possibility would be to
 consider a loose notion of tiered-learning. There are a number of basic
 concepts needed to use TW as a personal wiki and note-store. The next tier
 might be use of tags, lists, macros. The next tier might be templates and
 interface customisation.

 +1


 On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:11:43 AM UTC+8, Richard Smith wrote:

 Thanks Alex, That's really interesting.

 Widening the bandwidth carries

[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available



 If I move the whole graph and then move a node the graph is centred again. 
 So the program works against the user :/
 IMO there is no notification needed for: positions stored and graph 
 centred message.


 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/2


Yes I have to change that. The idea was if you drag a node in the widget 
mode far to the outside, then it tries to fit in the viewport again. But 
this is not intuitive and I will remove that behaviour.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

Hi Felix

Congratulations, great to see the plugin out, and it looks good.

I'm sorry not to have responded yet to the coding issues you raised; I'll
be on those over the weekend.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Felix Küppers felixkuepp...@hotmail.de
wrote:


 If I move the whole graph and then move a node the graph is centred again.
 So the program works against the user :/
 IMO there is no notification needed for: positions stored and graph
 centred message.


 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/2


 Yes I have to change that. The idea was if you drag a node in the widget
 mode far to the outside, then it tries to fit in the viewport again. But
 this is not intuitive and I will remove that behaviour.

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

Thanks Stephen,

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6651245/My%20ToC.html

I'll play around with that a little.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

Hello Jeremy,

Congratulations, great to see the plugin out, and it looks good.


:) yay! I also used your buttons in the actions menu as the meanings are 
the same (helps the user to quickly grasp the meaning). I think the 
symbolic semantics should be consistent and only if no icon exist to convey 
a meaning or if meanings differ, one should create a new one. Hope that is 
ok with you.

I'm sorry not to have responded yet to the coding issues you raised; I'll 
 be on those over the weekend.


I absolutely respect your choice on how to spend your limited time. I just 
would be very glad to have the one issue with inverted tags solved before 
5.1.5 release. 

Regards
Felix

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

Did you tried to make the toc smaller and float left ?

Also it's better if you use triple ticks to enclose the code on the explanation.
Regards

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

Servus Mario,
 
Both your issues are fixed now:

https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/2
https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/3

Felix

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-22 Thread PMario

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:27:13 PM UTC+1, Felix Küppers wrote:

 Servus Mario,
 Both your issues are fixed now:
 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/2 
 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/2
 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/3


Hi Felix, 
Thanks a lot! 

... This will be an extremely useful plugin for me and probably the number 
one dependency :)

-mario


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[tw] [TW5] problem with $select widget and computed option values

I am trying to use the $select widget to select one of the available 
widgets and display static contents from tiddlywiki.com in an iframe.

However, the select widget somehow choses to persist the computational 
basis for the option value in the state tiddler rather than the actual 
value being displayed.

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Widget%20Browser

What to do?


Here's a dump of the current situation for reference...


select a widget:action-navigateaction-sendmessageActionWidgets 
   browsebuttoncheckboxcountdropzoneeditedit-bitmap 
   edit-textencryptfieldmanglerfieldsimage   
 importvariableskeyboardlinklinkcatcherlistmacrocall   
 navigatorpasswordradiorevealscrollableselectset   
 setvariabletexttiddlertranscludeview   

documentation on TiddlyWiki.com...

iframe src=http://tiddlywiki.com/static/ActionNavigateWidget.html; 
style=height:600px; scrolling=yes/


Componentsdata$:/data/core/widgets 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fdata%2Fcore%2FwidgetsstateThis is the 
problem $:/temp/widget-browser 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Ftemp%2Fwidget-browser:

$view tiddler=$:/data/core/widgets index=action-navigate format=text/

How to only persist the value of the select box, not the code used to 
compute it?!?sourceWidget Browser 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Widget%20Browser:

\define getValue(data,index) $view tiddler=$(data)$ 
index=$(currentTiddler)$ format=text/

select a widget:
$set name=data value=$:/data/core/widgets
$select tiddler=$:/temp/widget-browser default=action-navigate
$list filter='[dataindexes[]sort[title]]'
option value=getValue 
currentTiddler
/option
/$list
/$select
/$set

documentation on ~TiddlyWiki.com...

$macrocall $name=static tiddler={{$:/temp/widget-browser}} height=600px 
scrolling=yes/

br

!!Components
;data
:[[$:/data/core/widgets]]
;state
:@@color:red; This is the problem source [[$:/temp/widget-browser]]How to 
only persist the value of the select box, not the code used to compute it?!?@@
;source
:source Widget Browser


Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

Hello Sylvain,

El viernes, 21 de noviembre de 2014 00:28:25 UTC+1, Sylvain Naudin escribió:


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p_QhJYlednQ/VG54mSUNb2I/aIU/JKGbgwARftw/s1600/S%C3%A9lection_003.png


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NAoFOo2NZiU/VG53erP3uCI/aIM/RIoydOHLuQc/s1600/S%C3%A9lection_002.png
 Hi,

 Personally, I've adopt *KeyboardSnippets* from Danielo (thanks for this 
 plugins !) : http://braintest.tiddlyspot.com/#keyboard-snippets

 I've play a little to add visual help reminder like this illustration (see 
 img file)

 My weblog engine, Dotclear, use wiki syntax too. It have a wikibar to edit 
 wiki text. Since I use KeyboardSnippets, I wondering if it will be to 
 difficult to have a similar wikibar. What do you think Danielo if you read 
 this post ?


I opened a Github issue: 
https://github.com/danielo515/extendTextWidget/issues/3 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???



 The only problem I see with nested list widgets like this is a potential 
 performance problem. If the first widget gets 100+ results, then the second 
 widget is executed 100+ times, which means retrieving the same exact list 
 100+ times. And its getting worth when we add more layers.


I'm inclinded to put that in the speculative box for now. Meaning: it 
would need to be tested if this kind of usecase really does yield 
performance issues. I don't really think it would because the actual 
rendering is minimal, unless you have hundreds of results, too.

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???

Hi Stephan,
 

 !-- fictious example --
 $set name=outer filter=[[french]listed[courses]]
 $set name=inner filter=[[A2]listed[levels]
 $list filter=[allouter]  [allinner]/
 /$set
 /$set


While that looks nice, it seems superfluous, as the core would have to be 
able to process the filter without those variables as well.

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] problem with $select widget and computed option values

Trying to turn the WikiLinks to each widget type into links pointing to the 
static tiddlers at tiddlywiki.com appears to yield similar problems.

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Iterate%20DataTiddler%20Indexes

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Preview of new export button

Hi Jeremy,

not sure if this was asked before, but could you name the exported tiddler 
according to the tiddlersname (minus slashes and all these symbols that 
would cause conflicts with the os pathname).

Regards
Felix

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[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???

Sure the variables are superfluouse here, with the  operator. But here:

!-- fictious example --

$set name=inner filter=[[A2]listed[levels]

$list filter=[[french]listed[courses]]

$list filter=[allinnerfield:titlecurrentTiddler]

/$list

/$list

/$set

I think it's useful as the inner loop need not go over all 1000+ tiddlers 
you have but already has a prefiltered list of th 100 A2-tiddlers.

Additionally: I think these variables are on Jeremy's list.

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler



 Did you tried to make the toc smaller and float left ? 


http://tidtoc.tiddlyspot.com/#GettingStarted ;)

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

Hello Félix. 

I find too complicated to link two tiddlers. It requires a lot of scrolling on 
my tablet and my phone. It is even uncomfortable to me while on laptop. Maybe 
you can consider including some kind of plugin API on your plugin. Roma has 
included a very cool mechanism in his GSD5 plugin. That way I can customize the 
plugin without overriding any shadow tiddler. For example I may prefer to link 
a tiddler to another tiddler from a drop down menu on the first tiddler. Others 
may want different ways. Then all I have to do is to create a tiddler with my 
drop down list and tag it accordingly to which area of the ui I want to display 
it. 

Regards

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

Very nice! I have to check it on my desktop computer to give you an opinion, 
but I like how it looks on my mobile too. Finally we gave a solution to all 
those people asking for a TOC. 

Regards. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Preview of new export button

I think is not possible because browser limitations. Maybe I'm wrong and it is 
possible. 

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[tw] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki Jump Start Challenge

2014-11-22 Thread Ed Dixon

So happy to hear this Eric. I am not in a position to do much financially 
but do plan to do some. So instead, I have been sharing that link like 
crazy, I hope it helps! 

On Friday, November 21, 2014 7:08:21 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 Wow!  This is VERY exciting!

 The fundraiser for Inside TidlyWiki: The Missing Manual is off to a 
 great start: after just 5 days of a 60 day campaign, it has already been 
 viewed by people in over 33 countries, and the TiddlyWiki Community has so 
 far raised $1,290 (17.2% toward the goal!)

 This includes generous contributions of $500 each from the first two 
 official Partners of Inside TiddlyWiki -- ocalTW and HansWobbe -- as 
 well as contributions from several new Friends of Inside TiddlyWiki.  Based 
 on this initial indication, it looks certain that the Inside TiddlyWiki 
 campaign is going to be a huge success, and I'm currently planning on 
 beginning actual work on the book in January or February, 2015, once the 
 fundraising has been completed.

 However, with Indiegogo's Flexible Funding model, although contributions 
 made by credit card are held until after the campaign ends on January 15th, 
 contributions made through PayPal are transferred to me as soon as they are 
 processed.  This means that there is a possibility that I could begin work 
 as early as the beginning of December rather than waiting until 
 January/February!

 If we can raise just $2500 (33% of the goal) in Indiegogo contributions 
 **paid through PayPal by the end of November** (10 days from now), then I 
 can start work on writing Inside TiddlyWiki as soon as those funds are 
 available.

 So, make your contribution (via PayPal) NOW, and we can Jump Start this 
 project into high gear!

 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual/x/8816263

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-22 Thread David Gifford

Wow this is really cool!

On Friday, November 21, 2014 12:24:57 PM UTC-6, Felix Küppers wrote:

 Hi folks,

 after almost a month of intensive coding the code is online and the 
 plugins are bundled.

 The demo url is now:

 http://wkpr.de/hosting/tmp/tw5/taskgraph/
 (demo updates on every commit; the demo is also found on github)

 I am sorry to tell you that no real documentation exists at the moment 
 (and no screenshots). Any help is appreciated.

 Please have a look at the *roadmap tiddler* to get an idea of what 
 tw-taskgraph is capable of (especially 0.5.0 brings many improvements). I 
 also try to make a video of 0.5.0

 You can also go to github and checkout the code (for example have a look 
 at adapter.js which is used as layer between taskgraph and tw; or 
 taskgraph_graph.js which is the widget used to draw and manage the graph).

 Some issues that I could not solve yet:

 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/1
 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-vis/issues/2
 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1109

 Have fun!
 Felix


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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler



 Very nice! I have to check it on my desktop computer to give you an 
 opinion, but I like how it looks on my mobile too. Finally we gave a 
 solution to all those people asking for a TOC. 


Actually, I think I'll be satisfied once I managed (to hire a crew to help 
me) to port SectionLinkPlugin 
http://www.tiddlytools.com/#SectionLinksPlugin to tw5. ;) 

Despite any dreaded performance concerns, there are just too many highly 
useful usecases involved with sections...

   - section-toc for tiddler *foo*, providing clickable links! (even back 
   to the toc from the heading)
   - *$link* to section *foo*, from tiddler *bar*, too
   - *$list* section *foo* of tiddlers tagged *bar*
   - (edit section *foo*)

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Preview of new export button

Hi Danielo,

I think is not possible because browser limitations. Maybe I'm wrong and it 
 is possible. 


Hmm, it should be possible because at one point the download is named 
tiddler.tid.

https:
//github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/wiki/macros/export.tid

reads the filename from a field called filename...

Regards
Felix

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Preview of new export button



 https://
 github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/wiki/macros/export.tid

 Ok I guess I misinterpreted the file but at some point it is decided how 
to name the download

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

2014-11-22 Thread David Gifford

I was JUST going to say that myself, that it is handy in and of itself, but 
what is really needed is the ability to create links to the sections within 
the toc.

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 7:50:35 AM UTC-6, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Very nice! I have to check it on my desktop computer to give you an 
 opinion, but I like how it looks on my mobile too. Finally we gave a 
 solution to all those people asking for a TOC. 


 Actually, I think I'll be satisfied once I managed (to hire a crew to help 
 me) to port SectionLinkPlugin 
 http://www.tiddlytools.com/#SectionLinksPlugin to tw5. ;) 

 Despite any dreaded performance concerns, there are just too many highly 
 useful usecases involved with sections...

- section-toc for tiddler *foo*, providing clickable links! (even back 
to the toc from the heading)
- *$link* to section *foo*, from tiddler *bar*, too
- *$list* section *foo* of tiddlers tagged *bar*
- (edit section *foo*)

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???

 Now I want the list of the teaching resources for her, but the following
and similar filters doesn't work:

 $list filter=[[french]listed[courses]] +[[A2]listed[levels]]/

The action of the plus sign is probably not what you are expecting.
Ordinarily, each run of a filter expression starts out with the source
tiddlers being those prevailing where the filter is being evaluated, which
is normally equivalent to [all[tiddlers]]. The plus sign causes the
source tiddlers for the following run of filter operators to be the
aggregate of all the results so far. So, in this case, including the plus
sign makes the filter equivalent to:

[[french]listed[courses][A2]listed[levels]]


 Isn't that the old regexp syntax that has been removed in 5.0.17?

 Indeed. I didn't know it was supposedly removed, its why I use it, and it
still works in 5.1.5-prerelease.

It turns that I forgot to remove the regexp support before the end of the
beta (I did add the new regexp filter operator which is intended to replace
it). I think now we'll have to keep the existing support.

 I think with proper set operators and/or variables which could hold sets,
stuff like this could be enhanced.

We're halfway there in 5.1.5. Variables can now contain lists, but there's
not yet a syntax to retrieve a list from a variable and use it within a
filter.

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Stephan Hradek stephan.hra...@gmail.com
wrote:



 Am Samstag, 22. November 2014 02:01:16 UTC+1 schrieb Tobias Beer:

 Hi Stephan,

 Works pretty well, I'd say.
 Lesson learned: Why use one list if you can nest two? ^_^


 The problem with this is: The complexity is O(n^2). The inner list needs
 to be executed for each member of the outer list again.

 I think with proper set operators and/or variables which could hold sets,
 stuff like this could be enhanced.

 !-- fictious example --

 $set name=outer filter=[[french]listed[courses]]

 $set name=inner filter=[[A2]listed[levels]

 $list filter=[allouter]  [allinner]/

 /$set

 /$set





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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Preview of new export button

Hi Felix

 not sure if this was asked before, but could you name the exported
tiddler according to the tiddlersname (minus slashes and all these symbols
that would cause conflicts with the os pathname).

Good idea, I've made the necessary changes here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e6043b07b90e5da9dac07634326cda9498fb106d

Note that some browsers ignore the filename that TiddlyWiki specifies, and
give the downloaded file a random name. It works on Chrome and Firefox but
not Safari in my tests.

I've also uploaded a new prerelease:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

Best wishes

Jeremy.











On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Felix Küppers felixkuepp...@hotmail.de
wrote:


 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/
 wiki/macros/export.tid

 Ok I guess I misinterpreted the file but at some point it is decided how
 to name the download

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

Hello David, 
That's pretty easy with the use of links and anchors. I have plans to update my 
keyboard plugin so it will be very easy to create links to navigate to. 

Regards. 

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[tw] Direct links to a set of tiddlers with a specific field-value mapping

2014-11-22 Thread Mark Crichton

I've been racking my brain on this one, and I need a little help with this.

I'm using todo.txt to manage my To-Do list, and I came up with an idea to 
attach notes to my todo list. I'm thinking of using a tag in my todo.txt 
list to link to a set of tiddlers that have related notes.

The issue I'm having is that I can easily set a field and value (for 
example a uuid field with some UUID as a value, which I reference in my 
todo.txt file). However, I'd live to have a permalink that woul return all 
the tiddlers that have that have a specific uuid field value.

I may be missing something completely, but is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
Mark Crichton

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Re: [tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

 I was JUST going to say that myself, that it is handy in and of itself,
but what is really needed is the ability to create links to the sections
within the toc.

 That's pretty easy with the use of links and anchors. I have plans to
update my keyboard plugin so it will be very easy to create links to
navigate to.

I think making the internal TOC entries link to their corresponding heading
may actually be quite tricky. Using links and anchors will only work for
tiddlers that are only displayed once. Transclusion or use of sidebars
could cause multiple headings to appear with the same anchor name.

  Despite any dreaded performance concerns, there are just too many highly
useful usecases involved with sections...
 section-toc for tiddler foo, providing clickable links! (even back to the
toc from the heading)
 $link to section foo, from tiddler bar, too
 $list section foo of tiddlers tagged bar
 (edit section foo)

That implies making sections behave exactly like tiddlers. That's
problematic because it means that all the behaviours we've built for using
and manipulating tiddlers need to be re-engineered to work with sections.
In some cases that's extremely tricky.

For example, how would you make a location hash link to a section (eg
http://example.com/#my-section-12)? There's no syntax within the location
hash to identify the string as being a section name and not a tiddler title.

Another example, to use the $list widget to list all sections of tiddlers
tagged bar would require us to be able to process section names within
filters. That implies that sections would need unique IDs - once again,
making them meet the definition of a tiddler.

Basically, TiddlyWiki is a mechanism for manipulating tiddlers. Everything
about it is predicated on the idea of a tiddler as the smallest unit of
content. Your requirements describe something else: a mechanism for
manipulating sections of monolithic hierarchical documents.

I understand why these requests are framed in terms of implementing
sections but I'd really like more insight into the underlying needs. Is the
desire for tiddlers with long, hierarchically structured content because
they are easier to edit as a single run of text? Or easier to import? Or is
it because the single tiddler is easier to read on screen than a sequence
of tiddlers?

Best wishes

Jeremy.



On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 2:01 PM, David Gifford dgiff...@crcna.org wrote:

 I was JUST going to say that myself, that it is handy in and of itself,
 but what is really needed is the ability to create links to the sections
 within the toc.


 On Saturday, November 22, 2014 7:50:35 AM UTC-6, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Very nice! I have to check it on my desktop computer to give you an
 opinion, but I like how it looks on my mobile too. Finally we gave a
 solution to all those people asking for a TOC.


 Actually, I think I'll be satisfied once I managed (to hire a crew to
 help me) to port SectionLinkPlugin
 http://www.tiddlytools.com/#SectionLinksPlugin to tw5. ;)

 Despite any dreaded performance concerns, there are just too many highly
 useful usecases involved with sections...

- section-toc for tiddler *foo*, providing clickable links! (even
back to the toc from the heading)
- *$link* to section *foo*, from tiddler *bar*, too
- *$list* section *foo* of tiddlers tagged *bar*
- (edit section *foo*)

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Direct links to a set of tiddlers with a specific field-value mapping

Hi Mark

The permaview syntax allows a filter to be used to specify the tiddlers to
open in the story:

http://tiddlywiki.com/#PermaLinks

For example, to link to all tiddlers on tiddlywiki.com that have a
caption field:

http://tiddlywiki.com/#:[has[caption]]

You can also specify before the colon the initial tiddler to navigate to:

http://tiddlywiki.com/#Learning:[has[caption]]

Best wishes

Jeremy.



On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Mark Crichton crich...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been racking my brain on this one, and I need a little help with this.

 I'm using todo.txt to manage my To-Do list, and I came up with an idea to
 attach notes to my todo list. I'm thinking of using a tag in my todo.txt
 list to link to a set of tiddlers that have related notes.

 The issue I'm having is that I can easily set a field and value (for
 example a uuid field with some UUID as a value, which I reference in my
 todo.txt file). However, I'd live to have a permalink that woul return all
 the tiddlers that have that have a specific uuid field value.

 I may be missing something completely, but is there a way to do this?

 Thanks,
 Mark Crichton

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available



 I find too complicated to link two tiddlers.


I second that. The command popup at one tiddler should directly provide the 
ability to select the target or source tiddler of the edge to link to, i.e. 
filter all tiddlers, click, done.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???

2014-11-22 Thread Alberto Molina

Hi Jeremy,

Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 15:03:24 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :

 The action of the plus sign is probably not what you are expecting. 
 Ordinarily, each run of a filter expression starts out with the source 
 tiddlers being those prevailing where the filter is being evaluated, which 
 is normally equivalent to [all[tiddlers]]. The plus sign causes the 
 source tiddlers for the following run of filter operators to be the 
 aggregate of all the results so far. So, in this case, including the plus 
 sign makes the filter equivalent to:

 [[french]listed[courses][A2]listed[levels]]


That was my first move, and then I tried other solutions, including nested 
lists without finding Stephan's one. 
 

It turns that I forgot to remove the regexp support before the end of the 
 beta (I did add the new regexp filter operator which is intended to replace 
 it). I think now we'll have to keep the existing support.


It may not be lots of people using the old regexp syntax, since more 
experienced users like PMario and Evolena were surprised to see it, and 
less experienced users don't know about it.


 I think with proper set operators and/or variables which could hold sets, 
 stuff like this could be enhanced.

 We're halfway there in 5.1.5. Variables can now contain lists, but there's 
 not yet a syntax to retrieve a list from a variable and use it within a 
 filter.


I'm looking forward to seeing it implemented (I already tried, but got 
weird results). 

Thanks,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

Hello Felix,

I'm playing around with your plugin on my desktop, so expect a couple of 
posts here making questions and proposals.
Regarding linking tiddlers, I saw that you can link tiddlers very easy on 
the thasgrap editor. Very cool,fast and easy. Why not add that easiness to 
other feature within the same editor? When I'm editing a graph I want to 
focus on that graph, so if I add a new node I just expect a popup asking 
for the name an that's all. But instead of this I have to navigate to a new 
tiddler and put the name there. 

Regarding the UI, seems your plugin is totally focalized to a single 
workflow: having the editor on the sidebar and the tiddlers on the river. 
My screen is narrow (11) so I prefer to work with your plugin on full 
screen. Opening the editor plugin is a pain because the problem I explained 
about adding new nodes. Also the editor looks horrible if you expand the 
story river. I love your plugin, but this makes the usability very hard to 
me. I would like to focus on each thing, first editing the map, and then 
add rich information to the tiddlers.

Regards.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] problem with $select widget and computed option values

Hi Tobias

The problem is with this line:

option value=getValue 

Transcluded variable attributes like this are not wikified; the attribute
gets the raw value of the variable after the textual substitution of
parameters and variables.

Here's an approach that works around that limitation:

\define displayIframe(tiddler)
$macrocall $name=static tiddler={{$:/data/core/widgets##$tiddler$}}
height=600px scrolling=yes/
\end

select a widget:
$select tiddler=$:/temp/widget-browser default=action-navigate
$list filter='[[$:/data/core/widgets]indexes[]sort[title]]'
option value=currentTiddler 
$text text=currentTiddler/
/option
/$list
/$select

documentation on ~TiddlyWiki.com...

$macrocall $name=displayIframe tiddler={{$:/temp/widget-browser}}/

br

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Trying to turn the WikiLinks to each widget type into links pointing to
 the static tiddlers at tiddlywiki.com appears to yield similar problems.

 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Iterate%20DataTiddler%20Indexes

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available



 I find too complicated to link two tiddlers.


 I second that. The command popup at one tiddler should directly provide 
 the ability to select the target or source tiddler of the edge to link to, 
 i.e. filter all tiddlers, click, done.

 Best wishes, Tobias.


Ah ok now I get what Danielo meant. Yes this should be possible.

Regards Felix

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[tw] [TW5] External individual tiddlers via iframes?

An idea with potential use for e.g documentation and much else. (...if it 
is at all doable)

iframes are nothing new, but I just realized it's possible to - almost - 
make external tiddlers, such as from tw.com, appear to be tiddlers in my 
own TW:

 iframe src=http://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyWiki;  width=640 
height=480/iframe

...or, if the static is omitted, it even works pretty well with an ulr to 
a live tw thanks to the focusing  (i.e scroll down) to the specific 
tiddler, or the topmost tiddler if many, and the sidebar is squeezed up 
above it so it's not seen. Eg:

 iframe src=http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki;  width=640 
height=480/iframe

Note: In HTML 4.01, the width could be defined in pixels or in % of the 
containing element. In HTML5, the value must be in pixels. (ref. 
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_iframe_width.asp) I notice the text 
wraps nicely though so there is no horizontal scrollbar, at least for me, 
so you can exaggerate the width value.

Obviously, the shown tiddler/s is not interactive with the surrounding TW - 
which could actually be used as an advantage: For instance, a site (like) 
tw.com could iframe and sandbox externally located plugins but still allow 
edit view for manual copying to ones own tw. People could send a mere link 
(via email?) with the url of a tw-plugin they've developed or even just 
found somewhere, and the local site could host a gallery of sandboxed 
display items. And meta-data could be added locally (..or via the email?)

Or documentation tiddlers for that matter. For a site like tw.com there 
could be a reviewphase where a document is viewable but not yet accepted to 
the actual site (to have it interact with the local tiddlers) until some 
criteria is met. Even external meta-data could be appended from yet other 
urls, i.e yet other people could bring input about the external tiddler. 

Now, I'm wondering if it is possible to isolate the text/content from such 
an external tiddler? I presume there's no url but maybe there's something 
the local tw could do to shave off the surrounding tiddler or to 
remote-transclude the html element? In this way one can avoid the less 
pretty double titles that result from the iframing of a tiddler as 
described above. I figure there should be some advantage that the imported 
content is not just anything but a tiddler, i.e standardized and in a form 
we're 100% familiar with.

...alternatively, to create a local tiddler template that does not have a 
title, or at least doens't show it. I.e so that the iframed tiddler totally 
fills up an empty tiddler shell.

And, who knows, if the remote-transclusion of a specific html-element is 
possible, then maybe it's possible to evaluate it's content and have it 
recreated locally. Perhaps a risk with text-box content even if I see value 
in it. A more innocent, but very valuabe, application would be to do so for 
the tags. You get the original tags but can edit and add your own to fit 
the local tw needs. 

A bit like tiddlyweb, I think. 

Doable or Pie in the sky?


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

Hi Danielo,

I'm playing around with your plugin on my desktop, so expect a couple of 
 posts here making questions and proposals.


ok, I try to collect them
 

 Regarding linking tiddlers, I saw that you can link tiddlers very easy on 
 the thasgrap editor. Very cool,fast and easy. Why not add that easiness to 
 other feature within the same editor? When I'm editing a graph I want to 
 focus on that graph, so if I add a new node I just expect a popup asking 
 for the name an that's all. But instead of this I have to navigate to a new 
 tiddler and put the name there. 


I thought it would be convenient to open the newly created tiddler in edit 
mode ready to receive some information.
This is how I use the plugin...

Otherwise you would have to doubleclick on a tiddler and open it in edit 
mode after having created it. But maybe your idea is better.
 

 Regarding the UI, seems your plugin is totally focalized to a single 
 workflow: having the editor on the sidebar and the tiddlers on the river. 
 My screen is narrow (11) so I prefer to work with your plugin on full 
 screen. Opening the editor plugin is a pain because the problem I explained 
 about adding new nodes. Also the editor looks horrible if you expand the 
 story river. I love your plugin, but this makes the usability very hard to 
 me. I would like to focus on each thing, first editing the map, and then 
 add rich information to the tiddlers.


Did I forgot to mention it? Sorry. You just have to set editor=true on a 
widget to display the editor but the view cannot be changed as it is bound 
by attribute to a given view.

so something like this:

$taskgraph mode=graph height=YOUR SIZEpx editor=true view=DANIELOS 
VIEWNAME/$taskgraph


I should also make sure the selectbox doesn't give you the options to 
change the view as it is simply ignored when a graph is bound to a view..

Felix

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

For every request it would be great if you could file an issue with a small 
message at github.
That way I can organize them

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

I thought it would be convenient to open the newly created tiddler in edit
mode ready to receive some information.
This is how I use the plugin...

Maybe an option? I think the best way is to pass to the widget a parameter
like: navigate=false.

Did I forgot to mention it? Sorry. You just have to set editor=true on a
widget to display the editor but the view cannot be changed as it is bound
by attribute to a given view.

so something like this:

$taskgraph mode=graph height=YOUR SIZEpx editor=true view=DANIELOS
VIEWNAME/$taskgraph

I should also make sure the selectbox doesn't give you the options to
change the view as it is simply ignored when a graph is bound to a view..

I think you forgot to mention that, yes. It's cool, really cool. I think
your plugin has a problem with calculating its correct size. If I have the
editor on a plugin, and then I expand the view to full screen look what
happen:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WQmw1OaVFmg/VHC5AJPS0JI/LmM/VqfKZ68xK1s/s1600/Captura%2Bde%2Bpantalla%2B2014-11-22%2Ba%2Bla%28s%29%2B17.21.56.png

Can you see the problem? the graph looks horrible. This is corrected if I
edit the tiddler while the river is expanded. Look at the difference:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o7ama_gJO58/VHC5Xg8VQTI/LmU/jM_7oL0vtGM/s1600/Captura%2Bde%2Bpantalla%2B2014-11-22%2Ba%2Bla%28s%29%2B17.26.42.png

Sorry for not opening a Github issue for this, but I wanted to show you the
pictures.

Regards

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] commenting your wikitext macros?

Hi Mark

 Some of my macros have become quite complex and difficult to read

You can use line breaks to make things a bit easier to read:

\define cite(citekeys:)
($list filter=$citekeys$ +[sort[]] +[each[authors]] +[first[]]
citeauths
$list filter=$citekeys$ +[authors{!!authors}] +[sort[]],
$link tiddler=currentTiddler{{!!year}}/$link
/$list
/$list
$list filter=$citekeys$ +[sort[]] +[each[authors]] +[rest[]];
citeauths
$list filter=$citekeys$ +[authors{!!authors}] +[sort[]] ,
$link tiddler=currentTiddler
{{!!year}}
/$link
/$list
/$list)
\end

You can also include comments of the form !-- this is a comment --

The only thing to watch out for is that in a very few situations those line
breaks will affect formatting. The line breaks are preserved into the HTML.
HTML semantics generally mean that adjacent whitespace is collapsed
together, so typically the whitespace generated by the linebreaks is
collapsed into adjacent white space.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



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wrote:

 As whitespace helps in commenting but whitespace is meaningfull in
 wikitext, I would create a seperate tiddler where I reformat and describe
 the text. So no inline comments in the macro.

 OTOH - as this is at least double effort  - you could try what happens if
 you insert comments containing linebreaks. like !--

 this is a comment

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

Hola

Maybe an option? I think the best way is to pass to the widget a parameter
like: navigate=false.

Yes an option (but not via attribute, I will create an option tiddler where
you have a gui to set options. it will be with ckeckboxes like the dropdown
to hide edges)

I think you forgot to mention that, yes. It's cool, really cool.

Sorry I sometimes forget what I documented/posted and what not...

I think your plugin has a problem with calculating its correct size. If I
have the editor on a plugin, and then I expand the view to full screen
look what happen:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WQmw1OaVFmg/VHC5AJPS0JI/LmM/VqfKZ68xK1s/s1600/Captura%2Bde%2Bpantalla%2B2014-11-22%2Ba%2Bla%28s%29%2B17.21.56.png

Can you see the problem? the graph looks horrible. This is corrected if I
edit the tiddler while the river is expanded. Look at the difference:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o7ama_gJO58/VHC5Xg8VQTI/LmU/jM_7oL0vtGM/s1600/Captura%2Bde%2Bpantalla%2B2014-11-22%2Ba%2Bla%28s%29%2B17.26.42.png

Sorry for not opening a Github issue for this, but I wanted to show you
the pictures.

I know already. this will be fixed.

Felix

[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

2014-11-22 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki



 I understand why these requests are framed in terms of implementing 
 sections but I'd really like more insight into the underlying needs. Is the 
 desire for tiddlers with long, hierarchically structured content because 
 they are easier to edit as a single run of text? Or easier to import? Or is 
 it because the single tiddler is easier to read on screen than a sequence 
 of tiddlers?


I addressed some of those issues in the post that initiated this chain. 
Ultimately, in my case, it comes down to being easier to import. Easier to 
read or easier to edit are secondary considerations. 

The documents I import and work with in Tiddlywiki can be quite long. 
Generally I reference them rather than edit them. Generally I must not edit 
them beyond highlighting a passage. As such, the process of splitting one 
of these documents into minimal sized tiddlers is laborious and 
counter-productive since it doesn't create much benefit that I've noticed. 

The internal Table of Contents gives a quick overview of the document. 
While being able to jump to a specific section would be useful, I think the 
simple listing of headers is enough of an improvement for what I do with 
the tiddlers to be worth the effort. If the jumps can be accomplished 
easily, then fine. I am no expert but every time I've tried using anchors 
in the new Tiddlywiki, it has failed spectacularly. The best idea I have on 
how to accomplish it without anchors would be something like the browser's 
search function. Select the header, then search through the tiddler until 
the program comes to the matching string and then move the display so that 
the found string appears on the string. That is beyond my programming 
ability and so for the moment, I'm happy with the listing of headers that I 
have.

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

2014-11-22 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki

Tobias and Danielo,

It does look nice but I had one additional thought on this. At the moment, 
in my version, the background color for the box is hard coded in the CSS. 
It would be nice if it could automatically use the appropriate color from 
the selected palette. That seems like it ought to be as simple as knowing 
the right internal name to use...

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[tw] Re: Plugins We Use

Thanks Richard. *Really* nice with reviews - you just made me realize I 
should get tiddlyclip immediately. And I must check out taglist!

My mention of people sharing their plugin lists was more in the context of 
some kind of automated statistical analysis to identify e.g most popular 
plugins, clusters of plugins used together, conflicting combinations etc. I 
think the manual approach is too demanding to get enough info to draw 
*general* conclusions from.

But, hey, my own plugins: My working TW's are still TWC because of 
exactly the plugins. For instance, I have a zillion forEachTiddler's with 
very specific setups and thinking about the filters I need to replace 
these... I'm using the Ostrich strategy so far. In TW5 I mostly test things 
so far, for instance I converted my main notebook to TW5 and I can see 
it'll be great once I master TW5.

BUT, looking at my TWC's I can tell you which plugins that bring 
functionality except the already mentioned forEachTiddlerPlugin: 


TiddlySnip by Zaq Imtiaz - I'm strating with this because of your 
TiddlyClip mention. In the days of TiddlySnip, I found that very valuable 
too. 

TagglyTaggingPlugin by Simon Baird - this coudl probably easily be replaced 
with a filter in TW5 but Taggly is a neat thing to put in the 
tiddlertemplate to get various views on tiddlers tagged with the current 
tiddler and similar. 

NestedSlidersPlugin - by Eric. It replaced and outperformed the core slider 
macro (not least syntactically). I'm very fond of sliders, particularly if 
nestable, because they let you portion out just what the reader wants 
at that moment. No skipping around on the page with new tiddlers and 
scrolling etc which distracts the mind from what you were doing. For pure 
text it also let's you write to different kinds of readers - thos who 
want/can the shallow information AND those who want elaborations. If I were 
president I'd make a law forcing every text written from now on to use 
NestedSlidersPlugin. (Of course I read Dostojevskis Crime and Punishment. 
Took me about an hour. ;-) BTW, there is the less known 
http://tw.lewcid.org/#AnnotationsPlugin that has similarities but is more 
snappy (but much more limited).

SaveClose tiddler and CancelClose tiddler. Two small plugins but that I 
use everyday. Lets you save and close, or cancel and close, in one click. 

Looking through the TWC plugin list I sense a lot of them have lost their 
relevance in TW5 which I think shows how superior TW5 is becoming. For 
instance, to get something similar to the TW5 ToC macro was for a pretty 
complex task in TWC.

:-)


On Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:56:15 AM UTC+1, Richard Smith wrote:

 In response to Mat's suggestion on another thread (
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg) I thought 
 it might be helpful to share the plugins that I am using and what I am 
 using them for and thought maybe you would like to do the same.

 I am using:

 1) $:/plugins/bj/tiddlyclip

 Makes TW the most useful web-research tool around by letting you clip text 
 and links to images straight into your TW. Works with multiple TW's. You 
 can customise the way that content is imported - eg; the title and tags it 
 gets, the format of the tiddler. You can have multiple actions set up to 
 bring content in in different formats.

 2) $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex

 Renders math equations with the khan academy latex thingy. I swapped from 
 using the mathjax plugin for better support. Katex itself is in development 
 but support is very good. Equations from many places on the web render 
 correctly without modification. (I have modified the tiddlyclip template to 
 add $$ ... $$ when I want to clip an equation directly)

 3) $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/markdown

 I am experimenting with importing LaTeX documents and using markdown as an 
 intermediate format.

 4) $:/plugins/bj/taglist

 This lets you re-order a list on a tag by dragging and dropping. I think 
 the way I am using it is quite interesting. I have two tiddlers that render 
 the same list - one of them renders a list of titles using taglist and the 
 other transcludes the text of each tiddler in the list, in the same order. 
 Dragging and dropping to reorder titles in the first list also changes the 
 order of the transcluded tiddlers in the second list. I'm using this to 
 build book sections from individual paragraphs.


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

Hi Tobias

 Any chance you could fill this table with numbers according to spec
(=implementation)?

I find the table a bit confusing. The underlying situation is much simpler:

* Textual substitution for $parameters$ and $(variables)$ only takes place
within macro bodies
* Transcluding a variable with variable is a basic wikitext construct
that can also be used for widget/html element attributes
* Transcluding a tiddler text reference with {{title}} is a basic wikitext
construct that can also be used for widget/html element attributes
* Filters use [variable] for a variable transclusion, and [{title}] for a
tiddler transclusion

I turned your excellent overview into an example wiki...


You've been very productive recently! I'd like to link to your new TW5
stuff, what's the best base URL to use?

Best wishes

Jeremy.



 http://pv5.tiddlyspot.com

 ...also referenced here:

 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Variables%20vs.%20Parameters

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:37:16 AM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:

 I think that we could try making a public tiddlywiki on tiddlyspot and 
 make a list of topics people want documentation for the most, then collect 
 explanations and examples from people and hopefully get someone who is good 
 at technical writing or design to collect everything into a nice tiddler we 
 can submit for inclusion on the main page. 



That sounds easier than github pull requests (if I'm using the term 
correctly) but there will be a problem with version management i.e an 
upload overwrites the latest version of the whole wiki potentially 
overwriting something that had been contributed just recently.

Tiddlyspace would probably work better in this respect as each tiddler is 
saved separately. There could be a policy that you're not allowed to 
manipulate, or at least not delete, someone elses tiddler but instead e.g 
append a new tiddler with your updated version. Maybe www.tiddlywiki.org, 
which actually is on tiddlyspace and already open for edit, could be 
modified to suit this ( @tobibeer )

However... the greater crux is that documentation is still very demanding, 
effectively limiting it to the few individuals who'll contribute. And while 
a few individuals can accomplish great things, I think documentation for TW 
is a big task. Heck, one of our *super* contributors estimates it will take 
3 months of continuous writing to get the most basic questions explained 
well and he is super qualified on all matters. link 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual.

I outlined an idea in the notorious thread (linked to in Jeremys post 
above) that takes another approach to documentation. The work to set up 
system that is probably much more limited than the work needed for 
documentation (which is open ended more or less) - but, of course, few *can* 
implement it and we can't expect anyone to *actually* implement it. 
(Personally, I'd gladly help support such a project financially. I believe 
it has potential to bring temendous value to the community. Anyone 
interested?)

I also started another thread 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21topic/tiddlywiki/K9O5eBkIuW0 
with, if technically possible, is yet aother completely differnt take on 
what could be used for documentation contributions.

Another question is of course what would bring the most value to TW. I'm 
not certain it's the documentation issue, important as that is. Then again, 
in practice people will (and should) only do what they like in an unpaid 
project :-)

:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another reference for using TW5.

Hi Jed

 I made this so that some of my friends with absolutely no coding
experience could use some of the better features of TW5 without having to
learn much.

This is pretty spectacular stuff, well done. You've gone into a lot of
detail, and the collection of hints is very extensive. You've obviously
gained a very good understanding of TiddlyWiki.

I've added a link to the prerelease at http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

It's great that you've also submitted an update for tiddlywiki.com, and I
hope you'll be able to bring more of this material across too.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Birthe C strikkeglad...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 Hi Jed Carty

 Charming collection. A beginner should be able to do something right away
 and find information for more. I really liked it. Have you thought of
 adding  tiddlyclip to make it easy for your friends to continue collecting
 tips on their own.

 I would like to hear how your friends get along.


 Birthe

 Den torsdag den 20. november 2014 22.16.03 UTC+1 skrev Jed Carty:

 I made this so that some of my friends with absolutely no coding
 experience could use some of the better features of TW5 without having to
 learn much. I am hopefully going to continue updating it as I learn new
 things. There isn't really anything here that isn't available in plenty of
 other places, but I figured that since I spent a while putting it together
 and people keep saying that TW needs more documentation I would post it
 here. Also I am pretty sure that I missed listing some references I used
 for this, so if someone notices a place where I used ideas or examples and
 didn't list the source in the Other Places to Look tiddler let me know so I
 can add it.

 I think the only part that isn't explicitly shown elsewhere is the
 settings part of the contacts tiddler. It isn't anything too fancy, but it
 does demonstrate a nice use of template tiddlers. I will hopefully actually
 write out tutorials for how each of the parts works at some point, but that
 may be a while.

 Enjoy.

 http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] widget to Goto Ranomized Tiddler

Hi Jed

 Something that may work for the original question of opening a random
tiddler when a button is pressed, and something that I would like to see if
possible, is a simple RNG that gets called by a message (like the 'throw
the dice' button that can be called by a widget message).

Yes, that sounds right to me. It would make a good plugin.

Best wishes

Jeremy




On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote:

 Something that may work for the original question of opening a random
 tiddler when a button is pressed, and something that I would like to see if
 possible, is a simple RNG that gets called by a message (like the 'throw
 the dice' button that can be called by a widget message). That way to
 implement the 'open a random tiddler' function you initialize the random
 value into a state tiddler, and then each time you click the button it
 opens a tiddler based on the current value in the tiddler and updates the
 value for the next time. Or updates the value and then opens the tiddler, I
 am not sure how the widget messages are executed so the order may matter.

 Some interface like $button$action-sendmessage $message='tm-rng'
 $state=placeToStoreNumber $range=[lowerEnd, upperEnd]
 $stepsize=someValue/Generate Values/$button could open interesting
 options for new uses. A parameter that allows you to select the
 distribution would be interesting, but probably outside the current scope
 of TW.


 On Monday, October 6, 2014 5:37:00 PM UTC-6, Philip Coltharp wrote:

 I envision a widget defined like so..  a list in side a button like so.
  ( Imagine this was put in a tiddler on http://tiddlywiki.com/)

 $button to=$list filter=[tag[Widgets]] pick-at-random=1Go To
 Random Widget Tiddler/$button

  *OR*

 $button to=pick-at-random from=$list filter=[tag[Widgets]]Go
 To Random Widget Tiddler/$button

 The ideal is to get a button to send a user to a tiddler picked at random
 from a list.

 I could do this in Classic Tiddlywiki but I want to learn Tiddlywiki5.
 How might one do this in TW5 differently than in TWC?


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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium

2014-11-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Whenever you have an open web page, you end up with spammers trying to 
create link drops.

Probably a real wiki (with authentication) or even just a special thread on 
this forum would be better. I believe the better wiki systems track 
history, so changes can be rolled back when something useful has been 
overwritten.

I feel the github process discourages documentation. The problem is that 
it's the same system of review for documentation as for code. Which means 
that you may have to wait a week or so before changes get applied, Sure, 
CODE needs to be thoroughly vetted so that TW doesn't break. But, unlike 
code, poor documentation is usually better than NO documentation, and it 
can be peer-reviewed and tweaked as time goes along. It's an odd quirk of 
human psychology that people tend to like to correct things that are 
already in place rather than creating new content in the first place. So 
getting something in place quickly (even if not 100% perfect) is more 
important than getting it publisher-ready on the first draft.

Mark


On Friday, November 21, 2014 6:37:16 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:

 I think that we could try making a public tiddlywiki on tiddlyspot and 
 make a list of topics people want documentation for the most, then collect 
 explanations and examples from people and hopefully get someone who is good 
 at technical writing or design to collect everything into a nice tiddler we 
 can submit for inclusion on the main page. 

 Is there interest in a project like this? It would allow people to make 
 small updates or suggestions for the documentation without having to do the 
 entire tiddler by themselves. Using github isn't hard, but this may 
 encourage more people to help out. That is if multi-user wikis are a viable 
 solution, if not we would need someone to manage it, which may not be 
 better than just using github the way it is now.

 On Friday, November 21, 2014 5:27:26 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the 
 end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. 
 Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the 
 available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as 
 they are reported wherever it's possible to do so.

 (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to 
 TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox 
 architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be 
 significantly updated).

 One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to 
 TiddlyWiki's success:

 https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion

 A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the 
 export features for 5.1.5.

 I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. 
 I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've 
 been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings 
 translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, 
 I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will 
 function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial 
 implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a 
 slow slog.

 In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 
 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working 
 through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it 
 takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, 
 documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of 
 contents.

 The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last 
 few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as 
 I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the 
 conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of 
 TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from 
 voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable 
 attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature 
 that hasn't been well enough communicated.

 So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the 
 export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important 
 feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it 
 makes little or no difference to new users.

 My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here 
 calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate 
 problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep 
 smashing through the roadmap of planned features.

 Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to 
 ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for 
 the next few weeks.

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

Hi Jeremy,
 

 I find the table a bit confusing. The underlying situation is much simpler:

 * Textual substitution for $parameters$ and $(variables)$ only takes place 
 within macro bodies
 * Transcluding a variable with variable is a basic wikitext construct 
 that can also be used for widget/html element attributes
 * Transcluding a tiddler text reference with {{title}} is a basic wikitext 
 construct that can also be used for widget/html element attributes
 * Filters use [variable] for a variable transclusion, and [{title}] for 
 a tiddler transclusion


Thanks for the consolidated list! I will use it to try fill the above table 
with the expectated behavior and do some testing in...

http://pv5.tiddlyspot.com

Not sure where to place such a consolidated aggregation in tiddlywiki.com. 
Imho, it would be good if it were not just scattered all about different 
module documentations.

I did some updating and consolidation at the page below. Please, be so kind 
to take a quick look, and let me know if anything's off...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Variables%20vs.%20Parameters

I turned your excellent overview into an example wiki...


 You've been very productive recently! I'd like to link to your new TW5 
 stuff, what's the best base URL to use?


Yes, trying to catch up and using *tb5 *as a central hub for gathering tw5 
know-how...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com

That's the place for me until that perhaps more distant moment where I 
might be doing some more segmented node.js-serving. Although I am doing 
that already, I might eventually split up contents into dedicated 
TiddlySpots to keep the load a bit at bay in tb5.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium

2014-11-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Whenever you have an open web page, you end up with spammers trying to 
create link drops.

Probably a real wiki (with authentication) or even just a special thread on 
this forum would be better. I believe the better wiki systems track 
history, so changes can be rolled back when something useful has been 
overwritten.

I feel the github process discourages documentation. The problem is that 
it's the same system of review for documentation as for code. Which means 
that you may have to wait a week or so before changes get applied, Sure, 
CODE needs to be thoroughly vetted so that TW doesn't break. But, unlike 
code, poor documentation is usually better than NO documentation, and it 
can be peer-reviewed and tweaked as time goes along. It's an odd quirk of 
human psychology that people tend to like to correct things that are 
already in place rather than creating new content in the first place. So 
getting something in place quickly (even if not 100% perfect) is more 
important than getting it publisher-ready on the first draft.

Mark

On Friday, November 21, 2014 6:37:16 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:

 I think that we could try making a public tiddlywiki on tiddlyspot and 
 make a list of topics people want documentation for the most, then collect 
 explanations and examples from people and hopefully get someone who is good 
 at technical writing or design to collect everything into a nice tiddler we 
 can submit for inclusion on the main page. 

 Is there interest in a project like this? It would allow people to make 
 small updates or suggestions for the documentation without having to do the 
 entire tiddler by themselves. Using github isn't hard, but this may 
 encourage more people to help out. That is if multi-user wikis are a viable 
 solution, if not we would need someone to manage it, which may not be 
 better than just using github the way it is now.




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[tw] [TW5] concatenating title and textreference into a filter operand

Read below or first take a look at...

http://sections.tiddlyspot.com/#FailingChapterToc

Starting from tiddlers like...

   - BookB
   - BookB / ChapterC
   - BookB / ChapterC / PageP

I am trying to display a list at the bottom of *BookB*
showing the subtiddlers based on *BookB* functioning as a prefix.

While that's easy to achieve using *[prefixcurrentTiddler]*,
I am now trying to remove *BookB / * from *BookB / ChapterC* so as to
construct a link that reads *[[ChapterC|**BookB / ChapterC]]*

To do that, I introduced *$:/config/ChapterDelimiter* and
specifyied * / * as the delimiter to then
concatenate the current tiddler as my prefix with it using *$set*, all in 
all...

$list filter=[prefixcurrentTiddlersort[title]]-[currentTiddler] 
variable=sub
$set variable=remove value=currentTiddler
{{$:/config/ChapterDelimiter}}
$list filter=[subremoveprefixremove] variable=truncated
$link to=subtruncated/$linkbr
/$set
/$list
/$list

The problem is, I never reach the inner list, i.e. the *remove* variable 
just won't yield the desired filter.

The problem must lie in the variable as it all works if I do it with simple 
strings...

http://sections.tiddlyspot.com/#WorkingChapterToc

I also noticed that when I save my delimiter *$:/config/ChapterDelimiter* as
 * / * and then transclude it via...

{{$:/config/ChapterDelimiter}}


...then the leading blank is trimmed! This definitely appears to be a bug.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] [TW5] and sections ...revisited (sorry, long post :)

Hi Jeremy,

As I am fearing this to become rather lengthy, I am opening this thread to 
address Jeremy's response at this thread 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/6zBxrj4nV34/NucvoBSuscYJ with 
respect to me stating...

Actually, I think I'll be satisfied once I managed (to hire a crew to help 
 me) to port SectionLinksPlugin 
 http://www.tiddlytools.com/#SectionLinksPlugin to tw5. ;) 
 Despite any dreaded performance concerns, there are just too many highly 
 useful usecases involved with sections...

- section-toc for tiddler *foo*, providing clickable links! (even back 
to the toc from the heading)
- *$link* to section *foo*, from tiddler *bar*, too
- *$list* section *foo* of tiddlers tagged *bar*
- (edit section *foo*)


First of all, allow me to thank you, Jeremy, for taking an inquisitve 
stance on the topic and for inviting discussion. I know your critical 
stance towards sections and I am hopeful that you might eventually come to 
a slightly different opinion, if only once a *SectionPlugin* of a beast 
sees the light of day.

That implies making sections behave exactly like tiddlers.


It's a possibility, not a necessity, and certainly not a requirement, 
although one could make it one.
 

 That's problematic because it means that all the behaviours we've built 
 for using and manipulating tiddlers need to be re-engineered to work with 
 sections. In some cases that's extremely tricky.


It could indeed be problematic but then there is no need to have sections 
entirely as addressable and manageable as the tiddlers that supposedly hold 
them. Of course, it could be complicated if one wanted to address a section 
that was actually dynamically created, e.g. via $list, as that would imply 
wikification 
before being able to do so, e.g. via a parameter that says render:true 
instead of merely inspecting the basic wikitext.

Anyhow, here are some rough sketches for how to implement the above 
usecases...

*1) section toc:*

Had I jQuery or the likes, here's what I would try...

   1. user puts toc whereever he likes, e.g. the top of the tiddler
   2. buildtoc is appended and run from ViewTemplate section with 
   *list-after:body*
   3. finds all h1...hx from tiddler
   4. sets *id*'s or *rel* attributes at headings so as to have a reference 
   for where to navigate
   5. build and render toc
   6. use js function to link from *toc.id* to *hx.id* and back using the 
   above attributes, NO *href*!

*2) link to section* foo

   1. decide on a syntax, e.g. *[[tiddler§§foo]]*
   2. display *tiddler*, passing the info to the display method that 
   there's a section to scroll to
  - after all, there is some scrolling right now, too, so the function 
  is there
   3. have the display method find the first mathcing heading element after 
   rendering
   4. if found, scroll to
   
*3) list section *foo of filtered tids

   1. *filter *tids, e.g. using $list
   2. use *regex *to extract section similar to how TWc or matchfilter 
   
http://eucaly-tw5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Feucaly%2Fmatchfilter%2Freadme
 can 
   do it
   3. *wikify*

*4) section editing*

   - should basically be similar to Eric's plugin for TWc, except for the 
   internal functions to be called, of course
   - that is, if sections are being modeled as wikitext, rather than a JSON 
   dictionary stuffed into a *section* field
  - might be problematic as *TiddlyWeb* for example limits the length 
  of fields for optimization reasons
   
For example, how would you make a location hash link to a section (eg 
 http://example.com/#my-section-12)? 

There's no syntax within the location hash to identify the string as being 
 a section name and not a tiddler title.


*http://example.com/#[[foo$$bar]]*

If there was a tiddler called *foo$$bar*, then we'd go to that, of course. 
Otherwise we go to section *bar* of tiddler *foo*.

But, I would not worry about location hashes too much for now. I would 
certainly not use actual anchors.
The only syntax to identify sections would be specific to tw, so it knows 
how to interpret *[[foo§§bar]]*

Another example, to use the $list widget to list all sections of tiddlers 
 tagged bar would require us to be able to process section names within 
 filters. That implies that sections would need unique IDs - once again, 
 making them meet the definition of a tiddler.


I'd say unique ids are not essential or even required, at all. Sections are 
not tiddlers, but if neither the section nor the tiddler exist, the display 
handler would simply show the non-existing tiddler as it does right now. 
Using the first matching heading is just fine, or skipping entirely if not 
found. Also, I'd want the regex to, by default, match until the next 
heading of same level ...and, optionally, as TWc does, until any next 
heading (or end of the body).

Basically, TiddlyWiki is a mechanism for manipulating tiddlers. 

Everything about it is predicated on the idea of a

Re: [tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

Hi Jeremy,
 

 I'd really like more insight into the underlying needs.


Glad you asked. Allow me to try and answer... :)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/23PzU2qCsj4

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] concatenating title and textreference into a filter operand

Try this:

\define remover() $(currentTiddler)$$(delim)$

$set name=delim value={{$:/config/ChapterDelimiter}}

$list filter=[prefixcurrentTiddlersort[title]]-[currentTiddler] 
variable=sub
$list filter=[subremoveprefixremover] variable=truncated
$link to=subtruncated/$linkbr
/$list
/$list

/$set

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[tw] Re: [TW5] and sections ...revisited (sorry, long post :)

Expanding on...
 

 However, using a JSON construct will definitely be an entirely different 
 approach over using what could be called classic sections...


Again, perhaps total overkill, but if JSON was the way to go, here's an 
idea for implementing JSON based sections...

!--§§
{
sections: {
foo: {
text: blablabla
status: approved
},
bar: {

text: mumble mumble,
tags: [[really?]] [[wow]]
modified: ok, that goes too far, but maybe not, after all, 
why not?!? the adapter could be quite generic
}
}
§§--

Et voilà! The magic of hidden sections. ;-)

By all means, compared to classic section handling, that's perhaps a whole 
different ballpark.
But it's probably a lot easier to handle / index / manipulate 
computationally.

You certainly don't want users to edit this stuff in the text editor.
So I wouldn't even load it there ...but remember while editing the main body
and then provide a section editor for each section, only one instance per 
tiddler at a time.

What would also be thinkable are hidden dictionary sections in usual 
tiddlers, like so...

!--##
foo:bar
baz:mumble
frotz:gronk
##--

Either way, I'd only process one instance each of sections or dictionary 
JSON per tiddler. After all, there's no need to have more of them, so any 
matching algorithm would only take care of the first instances.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] and sections ...revisited (sorry, long post :)



 Expanding on...


Ok, you can probably scratch those hacky markup proposals.

If anything, JSON sections of a tiddler hidden from the main body editor would 
probably be something more like this...

$sections
{}
/sections

and a data section more like...

$data
foo:bar
baz:mumble
/data

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] External individual tiddlers via iframes?

Hi Mat,
 
For an example see...

Reopen Tiddlers On Startup 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Reopen%20Tiddlers%20On%20Startup

And the corresponding macro + stylesheet...

$:/macros/static http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fmacros%2Fstatic
$:/styles/static http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fstyles%2Fstatic

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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

Hi Stephan,

I did an update and now use the tiddler dropshadow instead.
 

 It does look nice but I had one additional thought on this. At the moment, 
 in my version, the background color for the box is hard coded in the CSS. 
 It would be nice if it could automatically use the appropriate color from 
 the selected palette. That seems like it ought to be as simple as knowing 
 the right internal name to use...


It would and it seems that I have to decide whether I want that css tiddler 
to be displayed nicely or whether I am allowed to actually use macros in 
it... right now I am still inclined to do the former, but in general, if 
you want to use a color from the palette you...

Use the color macro...

.myClass{
background:colour page-background;
}

But then don't assign that tiddler tagged *$:/tags/Stylesheet* a content 
type of text/css, because TiddlyWiki won't interpret it as wiki markup 
but plain text insead and you will literally assign the string to your 
property, which won't work.

So, it would be nice, if tw5 would by default render tiddlers 
*$:/tags/Stylesheet* in a monospaced block rather than wikify the 
contents... or if one could easily make it so without modifying the 
ViewTemplate.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] ListField seems expect distinct values in the list

2014-11-22 Thread olivier berard

Hi,

Filter operators like list, nth seems expected that all the values in 
the list are different (like A B C D).

If some values are identical in the list field (i.e A B A C) second 
occurrences are ignored in the list or nth operators. (list ouptut is A B 
C) ( C is the [nth[3]] element)

Is it a bug or an undocumented feature ?


Olivier

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] problem with $select widget and computed option values

Thanks Jeremy,
 

 Here's an approach that works around that limitation:


That worked. Will play a little more with using variables and parameters in 
these situations and demonstrate what works and what doesn't.

Best wishes, Tobias.
javascript:
 

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[tw] Re: Plugins We Use

2014-11-22 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki

I use the five following plugins. The first three are by Danielo.

   - Context Search
   - Keyboard Snippets
   - Inline editable tables

This one is by bj

   - Extendable Calendar

And this one by eucaly

   - Match Filter 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] External individual tiddlers via iframes?

You're kidding me - WOW And so recently at that! I promise I had no 
idea about it, I feel silly now!

Ok, that looks GREAT. And you did get the very text field only, I have no 
idea how, I can't tell from looking at the macro 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fmacros%2Fstatic but maybe that is not 
where the inner workings are defined.

Now things are getting very interesting. I will try the following, maybe 
later tonight:

Imagine there could be a trusted tree building up from nested iframes. A 
bit like inclusion on TiddlySpace. A top site owned by person A could 
have an iframe like that, pointing at a specific tiddler (named T) on a tw  
owned by someone that A trusts: B. 

They agree *B* will in this tiddler put in iframes linking to plugins he 
recommends. This means A delegated this task to his trusted friend. Now, B 
can do the same thing with a third friend, C, but B sets up this 
connection, i.e an iframe, inside T (!!!)., perhaps under B's own 
recommended plugins.

C's recommended plugins will then propagate up to T, i.e in A's tw. All 
parties can obviously delegate to as many as they wish, potentially 
building up a tree of trust very fast.

If this works, it means it should be very easy to build up a complete 
plugin repository of all existing plugins. Of course one would need ways to 
eliminate copies.

Any spontaneous thoughts before I try this out? Or, rather, try to try this 
out. I don't even know if iframes can nest, so maybe I'll hit a wall right 
away.

:-)

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[tw] [TW5] Zork-like game, now with an authoring tool (work in progress)

2014-11-22 Thread Jed Carty

Here is an updated version of the zork-like game with the mostly complete 
authoring tool added. Click the button in the upper left to open the 
editing tiddler, everything I have designed so far can be done my filling 
in forms.

This has actually been much more useful than I expected as far as learning 
what the wiki can do is concerned. I think that it would be possible to 
make a limited version of the wiki (like the reference one I posted here 
http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/) that can be made and edited using only 
fillable forms. This would probably not be significantly easier to use than 
the normal wiki, but there seems to be less of a psychological barrier to 
filling out premade forms than using something like the editing options of 
the wiki. Maybe not, but it was one thing I thought of while making this.

First, I can't find a way to set one field based on another just based on 
the first field changing. The example for the game here is location based 
event triggers, so when the 'location' field of an item is set to a 
specific value it sets the text of a different tiddler to 'active'. A 
similar problem is that I can't find a way to set two separate fields (same 
name, different tiddlers) to the same value using a single select widget. 
To do either of these things may require javascript, but I thought I would 
ask if anyone here.

Second, I don't think it is possible, but I would like to have a 
dynamically generated macro. The reset button in the game sets a bunch of 
fields back to their initial value, I would like to be able to generate 
this macro so that it is possible to define the initial location for an 
item and then when the reset button is pressed it sets the 'location' field 
of the item to that value. If this could be done so that it iterates 
through all the tiddlers tagged 'item' and then sets the 'location' field 
equal to the 'inital_location' field without having to explicitly write out 
each one that would be awesome. I haven't found a way to do this yet.

Third I have no idea how I would go about dynamically generating the map 
based on arbitrary topology. I don't think it is possible without something 
like the taskgraph plugin (here http://wkpr.de/hosting/tmp/tw5/taskgraph/ 
it looks awesome). I may look into that later.

Because of these problems, and because I didn't have this in mind when I 
made it, the original version I posted doesn't have the same structure as 
the authoring tool uses. If I can find ways around the above problems I 
will update it at some point.

There is very minimal documentation in the tiddler called Documentation, 
and the tiddler called Plan has what I hope to do in the future. There are 
also options for location based triggers that don't actually do anything 
because of the above problems. Hopefully I will get around to documenting 
what I did for this because I think that it could have application for 
things that are more useful than text-based games.

Enjoy.
http://zorklike.tiddlyspot.com/

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[tw] [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

In another thread, apropos the need for documentation,

pmario wrote:

  - With 5.1.5. it will be possible to export tiddlers in different formats.
 - So it's possible to edit content with TW. - export it - and send it 
 to a developer (if jeremy is ok with this workflow)


This is a very interesting idea from pmario. Imagine if it was possible for 
visitors to edit the documentation *directly on tw.com* (...actually a 
local temporary copy on the screen). Export that single(!) tiddler to have 
it sent as a .tid file to tw.com.

Then what? Well, I can imagine many options, The tid should probably be 
sandboxed but it could be viewed from the original tiddler somehow (iframe 
in slider, or whatever).

...new visitors can read this hopefully improved *draft* and give it likes! 
When the number of likes reaches a threshold - voila, the original tiddler 
gets auto-replaced with the proposed one!!! Alternatively, a voluntary 
proofreader gets pinged at threshold for a final approval before it is 
published.

I'd think much documentation does not require deep technical competence 
only familiarity with tw, Proofreaders could even get pinged only for their 
favorite subjects if the tiddler is tagged.

There could also be dislikes. Negative threshold reached - poof!

The purpose is to have documentation as an ongoing activity spread out on 
many people where even small, small contributions on the whim add up to 
something meaningful. ... like tiddlers composing a full wiki (ah, even 
poetry)


:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] External individual tiddlers via iframes?



 I don't even know if iframes can nest, so maybe I'll hit a wall right away.


Well, just try to iframe your iframing content and see what that brings...

At some point, the browser will need to stop recusrively embed things, or 
else. ;)

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] External individual tiddlers via iframes?

2014-11-22 Thread David Gifford

Is there a way to create an iframe that grabs only the title and text 
fields of a tiddler?


On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:13:07 PM UTC-6, Tobias Beer wrote:

 I don't even know if iframes can nest, so maybe I'll hit a wall right away.


 Well, just try to iframe your iframing content and see what that brings...

 At some point, the browser will need to stop recusrively embed things, or 
 else. ;)

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: ListField seems expect distinct values in the list

2014-11-22 Thread Richard Smith

Hmmm

That isn't what I expected either

If I go to Tiddlywiki.com and put this in a tiddler

$list filter=[list[]]

 

/$list


and give it a 'list' field 'A B A C' - not only is the second A not 
rendered, but when the edit is saved, it gets removed from the list 
altogether.

And also... it seems to me like the list filter operator (which I haven't 
really used before now) doesn't work as expected in another way.

If I change my list field to A B C Acknowledgements and then do this;

$list filter=[tag[About]] +[list[]]

 

/$list


I would expect to get all the tiddlers with the tag 'About' WHICH ARE ALSO 
in the list, ie; just 'Acknowledgements', but I get the full list from the 
field.

On the other hand if I negate the list operator

$list filter=[tag[About]] +[!list[]]

 

/$list


I get what I would expect, which is all the tiddlers with the tag 'About' 
which AREN'T in the list.

This is confusing, but at least I've found something I can help to document 
(once I understand what's going on myself!)

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] External individual tiddlers via iframes?

2014-11-22 Thread Alex Hough

Tobias,

Mind boggling - there so much to see in the way you've done this

Alex

On 23 November 2014 at 04:30, David Gifford dgiff...@crcna.org wrote:

 Is there a way to create an iframe that grabs only the title and text
 fields of a tiddler?



 On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:13:07 PM UTC-6, Tobias Beer wrote:

 I don't even know if iframes can nest, so maybe I'll hit a wall right
 away.


 Well, just try to iframe your iframing content and see what that brings...

 At some point, the browser will need to stop recusrively embed things, or
 else. ;)

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another reference for using TW5.

2014-11-22 Thread Alex Hough

Dear Jed,

this is very helpful - thanks

Alex

On 22 November 2014 at 18:03, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jed

  I made this so that some of my friends with absolutely no coding
 experience could use some of the better features of TW5 without having to
 learn much.

 This is pretty spectacular stuff, well done. You've gone into a lot of
 detail, and the collection of hints is very extensive. You've obviously
 gained a very good understanding of TiddlyWiki.

 I've added a link to the prerelease at http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

 It's great that you've also submitted an update for tiddlywiki.com, and I
 hope you'll be able to bring more of this material across too.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.


 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Birthe C strikkeglad...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Jed Carty

 Charming collection. A beginner should be able to do something right away
 and find information for more. I really liked it. Have you thought of
 adding  tiddlyclip to make it easy for your friends to continue collecting
 tips on their own.

 I would like to hear how your friends get along.


 Birthe

 Den torsdag den 20. november 2014 22.16.03 UTC+1 skrev Jed Carty:

 I made this so that some of my friends with absolutely no coding
 experience could use some of the better features of TW5 without having to
 learn much. I am hopefully going to continue updating it as I learn new
 things. There isn't really anything here that isn't available in plenty of
 other places, but I figured that since I spent a while putting it together
 and people keep saying that TW needs more documentation I would post it
 here. Also I am pretty sure that I missed listing some references I used
 for this, so if someone notices a place where I used ideas or examples and
 didn't list the source in the Other Places to Look tiddler let me know so I
 can add it.

 I think the only part that isn't explicitly shown elsewhere is the
 settings part of the contacts tiddler. It isn't anything too fancy, but it
 does demonstrate a nice use of template tiddlers. I will hopefully actually
 write out tutorials for how each of the parts works at some point, but that
 may be a while.

 Enjoy.

 http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/

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[tw] Re: ListField seems expect distinct values in the list

Lists are (or at least were) nasty as they sometimes behave as sets (no 
duplicates) sometimes as lists - at least that's ,y experience when I did 
some plugins using lists.


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