[tw] [TW5] Formatting automatic lists

[Richard Evans]

Hi,

When I create an automatic list, there doesn't seem to be anyway to format 
the list items, e.g. give each one bullet and indentation for instance. 
That would be a start. 

What I would really like to do is display a tag, as a suffix to the 
automated list item. What I have in mind is:


   - list item - FIXME
   - list item - DONE

where the captial letters represent the tags I want to add. 


As the list items are documentation, using a checkbox is not appropriate.


I am still struggling to come to grips with TiddlyWiki 5, so I apologise if 
this is covered somewhere, if it is I haven't been able to find it. 


I have to say, I find the documentation is rather simplistic, it just 
covers the basics. In various examples, I have found, people are using far 
more advanced techniques, but I can find no documentation for these 
techniques


   Sincerely Richard.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tiddler visible between two dates

[Philippe Renders]

Thank you Tobias.

I didn't know the day operator and will try to use it in filters.

Regards

Le jeudi 14 janvier 2016 20:37:01 UTC+1, Philippe Renders a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way I could  have a tiddler visible after a specified date and 
> possibly disappearing after another date ?
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] tiddler naming conventions

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Ah, thanks Jon, I knew i'd seen that somewhere. It's getting hard to 
remember where I get such good advice from, and I certainly don't want to 
misappropriate such knowledge. I'm all about the open source paradigm of 
"standing on the shoulders of giants". I just wish I could remember which 
giant I'm standing on at the time, haha.

On Saturday, 16 January 2016 21:30:36 UTC+13, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Noticed that 
>
>- $:/_Macros/
>
> is the recommended approach for self-created system tiddlers given in some 
> guidance on nomenclature 
> 
>  
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Saturday, 16 January 2016 01:28:25 UTC, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate Jeremy including some guidance on nomenclature 
>> 
>>  
>> in the main TiddlyWiki documentation.  Given the changes to TW5 over the 
>> last couple of years, though, I'm curious how uers are actually naming 
>> their tiddlers — in particular, user-created system tiddlers.
>>
>> I've been running counter to convention by naming macros and plugins 
>> $:/Secret-HQ/macros/mymacro and $:/Secret-HQ/plugins/myplugin.  Other 
>> typical naming for me includes $:/Secret-HQ/ui/sidebar/mysidebartab and 
>> $:/Secret-HQ/stylesheet/thisstyle.  (I'd rather switch to /css but I 
>> keep using /stylesheet because of $:/tags/Stylesheet.)
>>
>> This keeps my self-created system tiddlers together in alphabetical 
>> listings, but since I tag them all $:/tags/Secret-HQ, I can keep track of 
>> them with <> macros easily enough.
>>
>> It's nonstandard, though, and it will eventually cause problems if I 
>> share any of my content.  So I should probably be naming this way, instead:
>>
>>- $:/macros/Secret-HQ/mymacro
>>- $:/plugins/Secret-HQ/myplugin
>>- $:/stylesheets/Secret-HQ/thisstyle
>>- $:/ui/Secret-HQ/sidebar/mysidebartab
>>- $:/tags/Secret-HQ
>>
>> Am I right in thinking these names are more standardized and less likely 
>> to cause conflicts/confusion if the wind up in someone else's TiddlyWiki 
>> somehow?
>>
>> —
>>
>> As a follow-up question:  What's up with
>>
>>- $:/tags/Macro
>>- $:/tags/ControlPanel
>>- $:/tags/PageControl
>>- $:/tags/Stylesheet
>>
>> ... and the like?
>>
>> I've reconciled myself to their camelcase, but what was the (maybe purely 
>> historical now?) logic behind using these names rather than:
>>
>>- $:/Macro
>>- $:/ControlPanel
>>- $:/PageControl
>>- $:/Stylesheet
>>
>> ... ?
>>
>> Identifying tags *AS* tags in their name seems a little clunky and 
>> counterintuitive to me — which could just be me having trouble wrapping my 
>> brain around the faux-tree naming structure.  Emerson warned that "a 
>> foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds," but I can't help 
>> thinking it would be more elegant to have $:/Macro/Secret-HQ/mymacro tagged 
>> $:/Macro and $:/User/Secret-HQ.
>>
>> Maybe that itsn't the best way to go about it, but I *DO* feel 
>> TiddlyWiki could benefit from tighter consistency of naming conventions, 
>> especially with it being so community- and contributor-oriented.  My own 
>> nonstandard naming developed out of learning to create different kinds of 
>> tiddlers one at a time and not seeing a consistent pattern among the names. 
>>  (And I suspect others have faced the same issue, as I stil run across 
>> plugins named $:/user/plugin/aplugin rather than $:/plugin/user/aplugin.)
>>
>> Is development a little too far down the line to be raising this sort of 
>> nitpick?  Or is TiddlyWiki5 still fluid enough to benefit from these kinds 
>> of questions?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Remove "Save Changes, Settings" icon, and "Tools, More" tabs

[Mat]

@Robert

You might want to take a look at the PublicSidebar  


<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] tiddler naming conventions

[Jon]

Hi,

Noticed that 
   
   - $:/_Macros/

is the recommended approach for self-created system tiddlers given in some 
guidance on nomenclature 

 

Regards
Jon

On Saturday, 16 January 2016 01:28:25 UTC, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) wrote:
>
> I appreciate Jeremy including some guidance on nomenclature 
> 
>  
> in the main TiddlyWiki documentation.  Given the changes to TW5 over the 
> last couple of years, though, I'm curious how uers are actually naming 
> their tiddlers — in particular, user-created system tiddlers.
>
> I've been running counter to convention by naming macros and plugins 
> $:/Secret-HQ/macros/mymacro and $:/Secret-HQ/plugins/myplugin.  Other 
> typical naming for me includes $:/Secret-HQ/ui/sidebar/mysidebartab and 
> $:/Secret-HQ/stylesheet/thisstyle.  (I'd rather switch to /css but I keep 
> using /stylesheet because of $:/tags/Stylesheet.)
>
> This keeps my self-created system tiddlers together in alphabetical 
> listings, but since I tag them all $:/tags/Secret-HQ, I can keep track of 
> them with <> macros easily enough.
>
> It's nonstandard, though, and it will eventually cause problems if I share 
> any of my content.  So I should probably be naming this way, instead:
>
>- $:/macros/Secret-HQ/mymacro
>- $:/plugins/Secret-HQ/myplugin
>- $:/stylesheets/Secret-HQ/thisstyle
>- $:/ui/Secret-HQ/sidebar/mysidebartab
>- $:/tags/Secret-HQ
>
> Am I right in thinking these names are more standardized and less likely 
> to cause conflicts/confusion if the wind up in someone else's TiddlyWiki 
> somehow?
>
> —
>
> As a follow-up question:  What's up with
>
>- $:/tags/Macro
>- $:/tags/ControlPanel
>- $:/tags/PageControl
>- $:/tags/Stylesheet
>
> ... and the like?
>
> I've reconciled myself to their camelcase, but what was the (maybe purely 
> historical now?) logic behind using these names rather than:
>
>- $:/Macro
>- $:/ControlPanel
>- $:/PageControl
>- $:/Stylesheet
>
> ... ?
>
> Identifying tags *AS* tags in their name seems a little clunky and 
> counterintuitive to me — which could just be me having trouble wrapping my 
> brain around the faux-tree naming structure.  Emerson warned that "a 
> foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds," but I can't help 
> thinking it would be more elegant to have $:/Macro/Secret-HQ/mymacro tagged 
> $:/Macro and $:/User/Secret-HQ.
>
> Maybe that itsn't the best way to go about it, but I *DO* feel TiddlyWiki 
> could benefit from tighter consistency of naming conventions, especially 
> with it being so community- and contributor-oriented.  My own nonstandard 
> naming developed out of learning to create different kinds of tiddlers one 
> at a time and not seeing a consistent pattern among the names.  (And I 
> suspect others have faced the same issue, as I stil run across plugins 
> named $:/user/plugin/aplugin rather than $:/plugin/user/aplugin.)
>
> Is development a little too far down the line to be raising this sort of 
> nitpick?  Or is TiddlyWiki5 still fluid enough to benefit from these kinds 
> of questions?
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Formatting automatic lists

[Jed Carty]

It sounds like you want templates. If you use a list like this:

<$list filter='[tag[Hi]]'>
*<$view field=title/> - <$list filter='[is[current]tags[]]'/>



then each tiddler returned by the first filter will be displayed using what 
is inside the list tags.

I am (slowly) writing some introduction materials about this on my site here 
.

Here are some reference sites:

http://erwanm.github.io/tw-community-search/# - The tiddlywiki community 
search. It is a large searchable listing of existing tiddlywiki reference 
sites

http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#What%20to%20do - The wiki reference wiki, 
the site I maintain

https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Welcome - tb5, the reference wiki 
maintained by Tobias

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[tw] How to prevent TiddlyWiki creating Tiddlers from compound proper nouns.

[josephpearson1989]

Hi there!

I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.

How can I prevent TiddlyWiki from trying to create a Tiddler whenever I 
type out a compound proper noun (e.g. JonTronShow, or PepsiCola).

Very Best,

Jo

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[tw] Re: Missing WikiText Solutions

[Mat]

Scott, 

you might be interested in @Danielos keyboardshortcuts 
.


>1. 
> *There's no wikitext for an image wrapped in a link. *
>
> In deed missed. But check out @Tobias' Link Image 
 macro.

For a wikitext solution, I'd prefer soemthing that is as syntactically 
close to existing img syntax  in 
combo with regular prettylink where the image is the pretty,
thus;

  [img[imgPath|TiddlerTitle]] or [img width=20 [imgPath|TiddlerTitle]]

 


>1. *There's no wikitext for highlighting (adding a background-color to 
>text).*
>
> So, yes, @@color:red; Foo@@ works in TW5 (notice the space separator). 

However what is lacking, and which worked in TW2, is a quick default 
@@highlight@@ - I just posted #2228 



<:-)

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Remove "Save Changes, Settings" icon, and "Tools, More" tabs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Robert,

Have a look at my guide How to make TW5 readonly 
.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:27:59 AM UTC+1, Robert Wong Tek Kong 
wrote:
>
> Hello All!
>
> I am a new Tiddywiki user, and wanted to create an information database 
> for use within my company. When I release a version to the public, I would 
> like to remove the option to save or view settings within the wiki to clean 
> up the look of it and subtly prevent any changes. With my current set-up 
> people can't make changes anyway, but wanted to completely remove the 
> option all together.
>
> Is there any way to do this? Not to familiar with html5, but tried to 
> comment out anything related to these options but it messes up the entire 
> script.
>
> Thanks in advance for the help!
>

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[tw] Re: Advise request. 1 doc for everything vs several specialized docs

[Guayo Mena]

Wow! Thanks! So many good tips!
The index tip is a very good idea. I like it!

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[tw] Re: Missing WikiText Solutions

[Jed Carty]

For the image link part, I think that there are so many use cases for 
tiddlywiki that trying to make something special in the core for everything 
is going to take too much effort for pretty small gains. I think that 
wikitext macros are the way to go instead of adding more to the basic 
wikitext syntax.

The decision about what should be added and what shouldn't be is, of 
course, completely subjective. I have been using the guideline if I can 
make what I want using what currently exists than I won't try to add 
something special for the situation. Do you think using <> instead of 
[img[path/to/image.jpg]link[TiddlerTitle]] would be a good alternative? 
Because making a macro to do that wouldn't be hard and would have the same 
result.

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[tw] Re: Tiddlyspace Service Update

[Mat]

Thanks Handoko. There is already a thread discussin this 

here 


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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: tobibeer/preview 0.5.2

[Jon]

Hi Tobias,

I thought I'd installed 'appear', but I didn't drag the right bit - working 
properly now - thanks.
That new feature would be good (if you can fit it in between the million 
other things you're working on!)
With regard to the modifier key, pressing Ctrl should open the link 
immediately on hover? This doesn't seem to work on mine - the link opens 
with the same delay with or without the key.

Just noticed in $:/plugins/tobibeer/preview/defaults/keys 
,
 the 
key is written in capitals, when I changed it to "Ctrl" it worked as 
expected

Thanks
Jon


On Saturday, 16 January 2016 15:47:19 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> As for the "translucent" popup… that would be missing styles in the core. 
> Did you install tobibeer/appear? If so, did you change the classes? 
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: How to prevent TiddlyWiki creating Tiddlers from compound proper nouns.

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:16:11 AM UTC-8, josephpe...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> How can I prevent TiddlyWiki from trying to create a Tiddler whenever I 
> type out a compound proper noun (e.g. JonTronShow, or PepsiCola).
>

Hi Jo,

in the $:/ControlPanel Settings tab in the "Camel Case Wiki Links" section, 
clear the
checkbox labeled "Enable automatic CamelCase linking".  Note that this 
setting "requires reload to take effect", so you need to *save your 
document* (to retain the updated checkbox state) and then reload.  Once 
reloaded, you should no longer see any automatic WikiWord linking behavior.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: tobibeer/preview 0.5.2

[Tobias Beer]

As for the "translucent" popup… that would be missing styles in the core. Did 
you install tobibeer/appear? If so, did you change the classes?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Found spreadsheet to JSON converter.

[Mat]

Think I found a little nugget, the open source "spreadsheet to json" 
converter. In other words, you can take spreadsheet lists and in a snap get 
them to a format that TW can use as tiddlers.

Mr. Data Converter  and on 
github 

1) Could it be made into a TW plugin? So TW users can (like on that site) 
copy paste the excel table into a tiddler and it is parsed into json? 

2) Assuming nobody makes it into a plugin:
In using the demo, I get a nice json format ...but I'm hoping I must not 
save it into a file first to import it to TW. I'm hoping to be able to

   - either just copy/paste it into a tidder 
   - or, even better, not bother with pasting into a tiddler but instead 
   direclty do Ctrl-V on the TW (this works in Chrome, but it doesn't convert 
   into tiddlers)
   - or to select + drag'n drop it onto my TW (works for both Chrome and FF 
   but .."untitled")

Any ideas for this?

<:-)


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Re: [tw] Re: Missing WikiText Solutions

[Alex Hough]

also, for images and links, look at TW.com: there is a thumbnail macro used
there

Alex

On 16 January 2016 at 10:35, Mat  wrote:

> Scott,
>
> you might be interested in @Danielos keyboardshortcuts
> .
>
>
>>1.
>> *There's no wikitext for an image wrapped in a link. *
>>
>> In deed missed. But check out @Tobias' Link Image
>  macro.
>
> For a wikitext solution, I'd prefer soemthing that is as syntactically
> close to existing img syntax
>  in combo with regular
> prettylink where the image is the pretty,
> thus;
>
>   [img[imgPath|TiddlerTitle]] or [img width=20 [imgPath|TiddlerTitle]]
>
>
>
>
>>1. *There's no wikitext for highlighting (adding a background-color
>>to text).*
>>
>> So, yes, @@color:red; Foo@@ works in TW5 (notice the space separator).
>
> However what is lacking, and which worked in TW2, is a quick default
> @@highlight@@ - I just posted #2228
> 
>
>
> <:-)
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Formatting automatic lists

[Richard Evans]

Thank you Jed, that goes part of the way but it doesn't really do what I 
want. 

What I am trying to do is use TW5 for program design. As a result I have a 
tiddler for each Actor, Data Structure, Use Case etc. I am then collecting 
them together in summary tiddlers. I use tags (Actor, Data Structure, Use 
Case, etc.) to mark the various design compoents. The summary tiddlers are 
just automated lists of tiddlers that have a specific design component tag. 
That is all easily achievable under basic TW5.

I want to extend it so that I can tag the design component tiddlers with a 
progress tag, e.g. First Pass, Second Pass, Final, FIXME etc. This is the 
reason for my question.

Your suggestion only seems to go part of the way. If I use:

<$list filter='[tag[Hi]]'>

*<$view field=title/> - <$list filter='[is[current]tags[]]'/>



I get:

*UseCase1 - 
*UseCase2 - UseCase2
*UseCase3 -
*UseCase4 - UseCase4

The UseCase names are ordinary text not links as they were before, and 
instead of the progress tag name I get a link to the tiddler. I've tried 
playing around with the code, but none of my attempts have succeeded. I am 
sorry to come back on this. I can work out the logic of most computer 
languages, but the logic behind TW5 code defeats me.

Plus when I search on a keyword $list for instance I get nothing useful, so 
I am struggling.


On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 10:25:06 AM UTC, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It sounds like you want templates. If you use a list like this:
>
> <$list filter='[tag[Hi]]'>
> *<$view field=title/> - <$list filter='[is[current]tags[]]'/>
>
> 
>
> then each tiddler returned by the first filter will be displayed using 
> what is inside the list tags.
>
> I am (slowly) writing some introduction materials about this on my site 
> here .
>
> Here are some reference sites:
>
> http://erwanm.github.io/tw-community-search/# - The tiddlywiki community 
> search. It is a large searchable listing of existing tiddlywiki reference 
> sites
>
> http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#What%20to%20do - The wiki reference 
> wiki, the site I maintain
>
> https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Welcome - tb5, the reference wiki 
> maintained by Tobias
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: tobibeer/preview 0.5.2

[Jon]

Hi Tobias,

Yes, I meant that.
As I say, it works once the case is changed.
Thanks for very useful addition to my wiki!

Regards
Jon

On Saturday, 16 January 2016 21:32:33 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Jon, the modifier keys do not open tiddlers, (just popups) they only 
> ignore the delay… and they should be case insensitive… could be they're not 
> case insensitive on one end of the operation. ;-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

[Richard Evans]

Thanks Tobias, I shall look forward to trying it out when I have time

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:05:14 PM UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Well, let's do it this way:
> Here's a "sneak preview" 0.5.0 
>  version of 
> tobibeer/plantuml :
>
> http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>
> Gotta say, I like this stuff, despite the dependency ;-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: tobibeer/preview 0.5.2

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jon, the modifier keys do not open tiddlers, (just popups) they only ignore 
the delay… and they should be case insensitive… could be they're not case 
insensitive on one end of the operation. ;-)

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[tw] Re: Missing WikiText Solutions

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

Glad to see this is still a topic of interest to people and not completely 
calcified now that TW5 has been out of beta for over a year.

I appreciate the alternatives and *do* love a good personalized solutions — 
hip-hip-hooray for the ease with which we can create macros in TW5! — but 
these three seem conspicuously absent from core wikitext.  They're hardly 
edge cases of usage, and I believe their absence would deter people from 
adopting TiddlyWiki.

(Well, #s 1 and 2 are missing features; #3 is more of a stumbling block 
that seems like it could be easily avoided with a minute shift.)

---

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 5:35:46 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:

For a wikitext solution, I'd prefer soemthing that is as syntactically 
> close to existing img syntax 
>  in combo with regular 
> prettylink where the image is the pretty,
> thus;
>
>   [img[imgPath|TiddlerTitle]] or [img width=20 [imgPath|TiddlerTitle]]
>

I think I prefer:
[img[imgPath]link[tiddler]]
and:
[img[imgPath]ext[URL]]

... which is something Jeremy suggested here 
.

Those seem the simplest and most inline with the rest of TiddlyWiki's 
distinctive wikitext markup.  For specifying sizes and styles (and other 
extended formatting), I'm content to fall back on longer-form syntax like:

<$link to="tiddler">

My threshold for inclusion in the core's wikitext spec is a *little *looser 
than Jed's and Tobias's — but, I guess, only a little.  ;)

Not that I would be opposed to more functionality in the core wikitext in 
this regard.  It's just that I feel the ability to display a linking image 
is fundamental and am less certain about where to draw the line on what 
sorts of formatting should be available via wikitext.  There's no reason it 
couldn't support, say:

[img[image.jpg]link[tiddler]style[width:"20px";border:"1px solid #FF";
float:"right";]]

---

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 5:11:28 AM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:

For the image link part, I think that there are so many use cases for 
> tiddlywiki that trying to make something special in the core for everything 
> is going to take too much effort for pretty small gains. I think that 
> wikitext macros are the way to go instead of adding more to the basic 
> wikitext syntax.
>
> The decision about what should be added and what shouldn't be is, of 
> course, completely subjective. I have been using the guideline if I can 
> make what I want using what currently exists than I won't try to add 
> something special for the situation
>

Tobias felt the same when I brought this up in the other thread.  I may be 
in a minority, but I'm surprised you guys don't find this a basic enough 
use case to qualify for inclusion in standard wikitext.  For my part, if 
we're going to bother with wikitext *at all*, we should include 
image-linking and a basic highlight.  (Could be that I'm just used to them 
from using TWC, but they hardly seem quirky or personalized).  It seems 
especially strange that TW supports [img[this]], [[this|somewhere]], and 
[ext[this|URL]] but requires us to fall back on  (or even [img[this]]).  It makes TW's wikitext feel incomplete.
 

> Do you think using <> instead of 
> [img[path/to/image.jpg]link[TiddlerTitle]] would be a good alternative? 
> Because making a macro to do that wouldn't be hard and would have the same 
> result.
>

Macros have been my go-to.  (That way, if image-linking is added to the 
core syntax later, I can just update the macros and not all those tiddlers. 
 ;)  )  This also allows me to format and position images consistently 
across a TiddlyWiki.

---

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:39:33 PM UTC-5, AlexHough wrote:

also, for images and links, look at TW.com: there is a thumbnail macro used 
> there
>

Thanks!  (That's nicer than my homebaked macros, so they're about to start 
relying heavy on it!)

---
 

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 11:59:29 PM UTC-5, Matabele wrote:

If this is something you use often, a keyboard shortcut could be configured 
> to add the markup around selected text -- and/or the class could be given a 
> shorter name e.g. .ho -- highlight orange, .hr -- highlight red .hg -- 
> highlight green
>

 On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 5:35:46 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:

you might be interested in @Danielos keyboardshortcuts 
> .
>

 Neat-o.  I haven't played around with keyboard shortcuts, but I will. 
 Didn't realize Danielo had done so much work there.  :)

[tw] Re: [TW5] Formatting automatic lists

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:52:56 PM UTC-8, Richard Evans wrote:
>
>
> <$list filter='[tag[Hi]]'>
> *<$view field=title/> - <$list filter='[is[current]tags[]]'/>
> 
>
> I get:
> *UseCase1 - 
> *UseCase2 - UseCase2
> *UseCase3 -
> *UseCase4 - UseCase4
>
> The UseCase names are ordinary text not links as they were before, and 
> instead of the progress tag name I get a link to the tiddler. 
>

Try this:
<$list filter="...">
* <$link><$view field="title" /> - <$view field="tags" />



I've tried playing around with the code, but none of my attempts have 
> succeeded. I am sorry to come back on this. I can work out the logic of 
> most computer languages, but the logic behind TW5 code defeats me.
>

There are some curious anomalies in the TW5 native syntax... for example, 
you can write recursive macros that "walk" a tag-linked Table of 
Contents... but you need a plugin to just add two numbers and store the 
result in a tiddler field.  Still... it is a remarkably powerful and 
flexible syntax... once you get over the learning curve.

Plus when I search on a keyword $list for instance I get nothing useful, so 
> I am struggling.
>

Search for "ListWidget" on tiddlywiki.com

Also, these are good reference links to keep handy:
   http://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros
   http://tiddlywiki.com/#Widgets
   http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filters

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
 

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[tw] Re: [EOL-TS] Message from TiddlySpace

[Handoko Suwono]

can't agree more with Jon. It has feature that supports collaboration 
between users though I hardly make it works.

handoko -

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 11:58:37 PM UTC+7, Jon wrote:
>
>
> *No need to panic! But this is an early call for action!*
>>
>>
> Definitely some panic here. I love TiddlyWiki because it's so easy to make 
> it do exactly what you want it to with a modest knowledge of Javascript. 
> But as soon as it goes beyond your personal use, there's trouble: saving, 
> separating public and private, dealing with multiple users, etc. I made a 
> fairly big commitment to TiddlySpace and modified four highly customized 
> TWs to run there - two that support my research group and two that support 
> two of my key courses. I don't see how I could make these things work on 
> some other platform without a HUGE amount of coding to replicate what TW 
> already does - or even what that platform might be.
>
> --Jon  
>

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[tw] I was thinking about integrating tiddly wiki into my web applicaiton

[jesse moseman]

I was thinking about integrating tiddly wiki into my web application 
serving as a comment system.  What is the licencing agreement for 
tiddlywiki?

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[tw] [TW5] Transcluded Menu Bar for Tiddlers in a Tabset? (Using /tobibeer/inc Plugin?)

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

Tobias, et. al. —

Is there a way to us the tobibeer/inc plugin 
 to display the on-hover 
toolbar for tabs inside tabsets?

Because that would be *FANTASTIC*.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Formatting automatic lists

[Matabele]

Hi Richard

Sometimes best to use a little html -- try something like this:

<$list filter="[tag[mytag]]">

<><$list filter="[is[current]list[!!tags]]" variable="tag"> 
-- <>



regards

On Saturday, 16 January 2016 10:32:58 UTC+2, Richard Evans wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> When I create an automatic list, there doesn't seem to be anyway to format 
> the list items, e.g. give each one bullet and indentation for instance. 
> That would be a start. 
>
> What I would really like to do is display a tag, as a suffix to the 
> automated list item. What I have in mind is:
>
>
>- list item - FIXME
>- list item - DONE
>
> where the captial letters represent the tags I want to add. 
>
>
> As the list items are documentation, using a checkbox is not appropriate.
>
>
> I am still struggling to come to grips with TiddlyWiki 5, so I apologise 
> if this is covered somewhere, if it is I haven't been able to find it. 
>
>
> I have to say, I find the documentation is rather simplistic, it just 
> covers the basics. In various examples, I have found, people are using far 
> more advanced techniques, but I can find no documentation for these 
> techniques
>
>
>Sincerely Richard.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Formatting automatic lists

[Matabele]

Hi Richard

I have been playing around with the ActionListops widget, along with my new 
'cycle[]' filter operator:
-- I have posted a demo that might suit your purpose here 
.
-- play around with the demo (scroll down to the 'Cycle Status Demo' and 
click the #tags)
-- if it suits, to get this working in TW-5.1.10, you will need to:
* copy the amended 'x-listops' filters (from the system tab) from the 
demo wiki to your wiki
* save and refresh you wiki.

regards

On Saturday, 16 January 2016 10:32:58 UTC+2, Richard Evans wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> When I create an automatic list, there doesn't seem to be anyway to format 
> the list items, e.g. give each one bullet and indentation for instance. 
> That would be a start. 
>
> What I would really like to do is display a tag, as a suffix to the 
> automated list item. What I have in mind is:
>
>
>- list item - FIXME
>- list item - DONE
>
> where the captial letters represent the tags I want to add. 
>
>
> As the list items are documentation, using a checkbox is not appropriate.
>
>
> I am still struggling to come to grips with TiddlyWiki 5, so I apologise 
> if this is covered somewhere, if it is I haven't been able to find it. 
>
>
> I have to say, I find the documentation is rather simplistic, it just 
> covers the basics. In various examples, I have found, people are using far 
> more advanced techniques, but I can find no documentation for these 
> techniques
>
>
>Sincerely Richard.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Formatting automatic lists

[Richard Evans]

Thank you for your suggestion Eric, it moves things forward a little, but 
still does not achieve what I want.
What I get now is:

   - tag - 


   - Use Case - 

As you can see initial text is a link, but it links to tiddlers that do not 
exist. The progess tags are not displayed.


On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 9:12:57 PM UTC, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:52:56 PM UTC-8, Richard Evans wrote:
>>
>>
>> <$list filter='[tag[Hi]]'>
>> *<$view field=title/> - <$list filter='[is[current]tags[]]'/>
>> 
>>
>> I get:
>> *UseCase1 - 
>> *UseCase2 - UseCase2
>> *UseCase3 -
>> *UseCase4 - UseCase4
>>
>> The UseCase names are ordinary text not links as they were before, and 
>> instead of the progress tag name I get a link to the tiddler. 
>>
>
> Try this:
> <$list filter="...">
> * <$link><$view field="title" /> - <$view field="tags" />
> 
>
>
> I've tried playing around with the code, but none of my attempts have 
>> succeeded. I am sorry to come back on this. I can work out the logic of 
>> most computer languages, but the logic behind TW5 code defeats me.
>>
>
> There are some curious anomalies in the TW5 native syntax... for example, 
> you can write recursive macros that "walk" a tag-linked Table of 
> Contents... but you need a plugin to just add two numbers and store the 
> result in a tiddler field.  Still... it is a remarkably powerful and 
> flexible syntax... once you get over the learning curve.
>
> Plus when I search on a keyword $list for instance I get nothing useful, 
>> so I am struggling.
>>
>
> Search for "ListWidget" on tiddlywiki.com
>
> Also, these are good reference links to keep handy:
>http://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros
>http://tiddlywiki.com/#Widgets
>http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filters
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
> Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>  
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: tobibeer/preview 0.5.2

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Dave,

I did not understand your 'static tiddler' idea… especially not considering how 
that term is used in the context of TiddlyWiki.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: tobibeer/preview 0.5.2

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jon,

I'll have to check what I say in the docs, but a popup that is "sticky" is not 
one that would not close when you leave it but one that stays open even if you 
click inside.

In other words, if you want a popup that closes when you leave it, that would 
be a new feature …that I could implement perhaps using "tc-popup-temporary" or 
something.

The result of using a configured "modifier key" is that when you mouse over the 
link you do not have to wait for the delay but the popup opens immediately… be 
because most of the time you do not want a popup to open the very moment you 
hover it.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] [TW5] Commenting Plugin (Google+/DISQUS)

[Tobias Beer]

The problem with disqus is that it demands hashbang #! to be able to cater for 
per-tiddler comments and so it does not cater for the plain hash # used by 
TiddlyWiki.

So, what is required is a modification to the core that would:

1. allow to tell it to ignore any starting bang "!" after the hash #
2. while at it, also allow to encode permalinks with hashbangs #!

And then we' due good to go using disqus in TW.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: tobibeer/preview 0.5.2

[David Gifford]

Hi Tobias

What I mean is, wouldn't it be great to be able to export tiddlers as
static htmls, but have any tiddlers related to them 'bundled' with them in
the export process, so that you end up with a static html that allows you
to hover on a link and have a popup appear. Not a big deal but it would be
cool

Dave

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Tobias Beer  wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I did not understand your 'static tiddler' idea… especially not
> considering how that term is used in the context of TiddlyWiki.
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[tw] Re: [EOL-TS] Message from TiddlySpace

[Jon]

> *No need to panic! But this is an early call for action!*
>
>
Definitely some panic here. I love TiddlyWiki because it's so easy to make 
it do exactly what you want it to with a modest knowledge of Javascript. 
But as soon as it goes beyond your personal use, there's trouble: saving, 
separating public and private, dealing with multiple users, etc. I made a 
fairly big commitment to TiddlySpace and modified four highly customized 
TWs to run there - two that support my research group and two that support 
two of my key courses. I don't see how I could make these things work on 
some other platform without a HUGE amount of coding to replicate what TW 
already does - or even what that platform might be.

--Jon  

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[tw] Re: emulating TiddlyWikiClassic behavior in TiddlyWiki5

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I've learned to roll my own macros, make lists, and even a couple plugins 
... but I still think TWC was better. It was less opaque. You could get 
access to the code and write your own custom app with just a limited bit of 
JS skill. There were plugins available for most everything. I don't believe 
it had the cyclic input problem that interferes with rapid typing (the TW5 
plugin to fix this doesn't work).  

If someone had promised to support TWC for the next 25 years, I would 
probably have stuck with it. At the time, TWC was failing to save every 
time FF got an upgrade, so TW5 seemed the way to go. 

Number 3 on your list is a big one for those of us who want to capture 
ordinary text. Apparently there are extremely technical reasons why TW5 
will never go back to using single-line breaks between lines. Something 
about  being against the laws of nature. I like having input text that 
resembles the display text. 

My main work-around is to put triple quotes """ around the 'traditional' 
(i.e. 'normal') text that I want to maintain. It's a bit of a hassle, but 
it seems to pose the fewest compromises. On certain content, I have a 
new-tiddler button that creates new tiddlers with the triple quotes already 
there, ready for pasting.

Good luck!
Mark 


On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:52:10 PM UTC-8, Jean Ogryzalov wrote:
>
> I've been using TiddlyWiki since 2007 and I really like it. I've done only 
> light modifications, didn't really poke around in the source code and 
> stayed away from plugins. I've only used it for one purpose - keeping a 
> diary. Every year I would make a copy of the file, clear out the entries 
> from last year and begin again. So it was only recently that I found out 
> about the reboot.
> My first impression of TiddlyWiki5 was negative. It looked uglier, seemed 
> to work slower and was much more complicated to understand. But that's 
> normal. You are used to something and react negatively when forced to 
> change. I'd probably still be using Version 2 if it wasn't for the new 
> built-in encryption feature.
>
> But I figure I should join the future, learn something new and maybe there 
> are features in the new version that could come in handy. However, I've 
> grown quite attached to certain behaviors and I would like the implement 
> them in my wiki. I've poked around and tried to read the documentation, 
> communities and such but I think it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that 
> it can cause one to run away clutching one's head. It's a mess and it's not 
> helped that the majority of what you find refers to the old version. I 
> don't want to spend months trying to piece it all together.
>
> I would appreciate help with these. Even an explanation of which 
> abstractions are needed (macro/message/widget) so I could figure it out 
> myself. Because right now I'm not sure if what I want is even possible. I 
> would prefer to not install plug-ins. It seems like TiddlyWiki should be 
> powerful to do the things I want. Here they are in the order of most to 
> least important.
>
> 1) Search results should display in the story.
>
> In the old tiddlywiki when you searched for a term you would see the 
> results show in the story view. This is much more useful to me than seeing 
> a list of matching tiddlers.
>
> 2) I want some kind of "open all" associated action associated with a tag. 
> I want to see all the tiddlers with a certain tag in the story view. I 
> don't just want a list of titles but the contents.
>
> I was able to use a list to show all tiddlers with a tag. But I had to 
> paste it into each tag's tiddler individually and I want the tiddlers 
> displayed separately not the way list does it.
>
> 3) I would like a single line break to translate into a . Currently I 
> have to do two line breaks to force a new paragraph. I don't want to be 
> typing html  into my posts.
>
> My hope is that doing this will teach me more about TiddlyWiki5 is put 
> together and that I will stick with it and perhaps contribute to the 
> documentation.
>

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