date:20170905

Guten Tag allerseits :–)

I fee EXACTLY like Jan. 

I see great potential in promoting TW in more languages – there are many 
translations available. If this would be successful we could decide later if 
arising needs are best discussed in new groups or on stackexchange. 

Herzliche Grüsse
Thomas 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hide Tiddler Toolbar items on select tiddlers

2017-09-05 Thread RichardWilliamSmith

Hi Tony,

Don't know if you ever solved this but better late than never if not. I 
hope you don't mind but I used it as an example on my new site (I plan to 
write a series of tutorials covering stuff like this) 
https://www.didaxy.com/selectively-hiding-the-edit-button-on-tiddlers and 
the explanation's there along with a "tl;dr"

Basically...

find $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title and swap this chunk

<$list 
filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[~$:/tags/ViewToolbar]!has[draft.of]]" 
variable="listItem"><$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> 
text="hide"><$transclude tiddler=<>/>

for this chunk

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[noedit]]"> <$list 
> filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/ViewToolbar]!has[draft.of]] 
> -[[$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit]]" variable="listItem"><$reveal type="nomatch" 
> state=<> text="hide"><$transclude 
> tiddler=<>/>  <$list 
> filter="[all[current]!tag[noedit]]"> <$list 
> filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/ViewToolbar]!has[draft.of]]" 
> variable="listItem"><$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> 
> text="hide"><$transclude tiddler=<>/> 
>

And then tag tiddlers "noedit" to hide their edit control. Obviously, make 
sure you back up your work first.

The longer instructions explain how I would go about doing this from 
scratch. Please let me know if you find a mistake.

Regards,
Richard

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 3:37:53 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
Folks,

Can someone please help me take the final step here, to somehow only hide 
or move to more, the edit button in the tool bar, and not in its other uses 
within my tiddler?

Or should I clone the edit tiddler button and use that in the tiddlers and 
Sub Tiddlers?

Thanks in Advance

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:25:48 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
Thanks Eric,

That is most of the way, the toggle hides the image (rather than the 
button) so I am left with a small circle (perhaps because I choose the 
buttons with boarders) that looks like this 

Which actually would be fine, except I use the Edit Image in the "locked" 
tiddlers to allow edit of its sub-tiddlers.

So using this Hide Button Image I loose these buttons visibility as well.

I have also ensured a checkbox toggle of the noedit tag is available in 
"locked" tiddlers, as I am only trying to obscure not disable edit.

This is however a great start and I will go from here unless you know 
another approach?

Thanks
Tony

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:04:31 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 4:42:53 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
It is the CSS I do not know how to do it. Selective is the key. Thanks for 
validating the approach, but I do not know how to start.

1) create a tiddler, e.g [[noedit_stylesheet]], tagged with 
$:/tags/Stylesheet, containing:

.tc-tagged-noedit .tc-image-edit-button { display:none; }

2) edit any desired tiddler, add the tag "noedit", press "done" (the 
checkmark button)

Note: after you add the tag and press done, you won't be able to edit that 
tiddler anymore, so you won't be able to remove the tag you just added. To 
edit "locked" tiddlers, you will need to disable the stylesheet definition 
(by removing the $:/tags/Stylesheet tag from the stylesheet definition 
tiddler). Here's a quick checkbox that will toggle the stylesheet tag for 
you:

<$checkbox tiddler="noedit_stylesheet" tag="$:/tags/Stylesheet"> toggle 
"noedit" 

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools.com - "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm)
InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

I feel like putting a plug in here for the Area51 proposal for a dedicated
TiddlyWiki Stack Exchange site. It's in the commit stage now, so all you
have to do is sign in and commit. It will help the proposal if you use the
same account you use on the rest of the stack exchange network if you have
200+ rep on another site.

https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2

Not to get off topic, though. Just a reminder. Keep going. But hey, that
would be one solution :)


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> These 2 groups experience periodic spurts of activity when clever folks
> get into really deep discussions that are off the general topic
>
> >>START a TiddlyWikiNewbie that contains ONLY info for beginners
> Because TiddlyWiki is such a complex and functional product, making a
> distinction between newbie and "not newbie" questions is very hard since
> newbies often ask questions that require a tech answer. In the process
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

It has basic auth, but that's it. So it really isn't. However, I would
welcome your input on all this as it is probably where I should focus next.
This is a good point.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Lost Admin  wrote:

> That is useful when running it on your local computer, but how robust is
> it if you drop it on the Internet?
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 4:41:45 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> I just thought I would mention that TiddlyServer does not have this
>> problem either. I specifically designed it to support the current webdav
>> (put) saver in TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> Judging by what is going on in the IIS thread, I think IIS has the same
>> issue.
>>
>> On my Lighttpd server, I don't have this issue.
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

2017-09-05 Thread PMario

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 8:09:57 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Can we have some threads in GERMAN?
>

IMO ... If we do so, it should be a new group. ... We already mixed TWc and 
TW5 here. .. We shouldn't mix languages too. 

just my 2 cents
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

Folks,

I just want to report I am using IIS WebDav Implementation to access a TW5 
and whilst it seems to work most of the time the tab it was in has 
mysteriously disappeared from firefox and I cant return to the wiki (even 
in another browser) and avoid the 412? error  until I reboot my computer.

When I next have time to reproduce the problem which sounds related to the 
Apache errors discussed below I can post in more detail.

Regards
Tony 


On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:10:36 PM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi LostAdmin,
>
> That's a perfect reminder, to have a closer look at MS built-in stuff. 
> WebDav is part of* Internet Information Services (IIS)*, which seems to 
> be available for up to 20 users for Windows Vista, 7, 8.x and 10. ... 
>
> I'm basically interested in a replacement for TiddlyFox and not in a 
> "internet facing" setup. ...
>
> from win10 user terms 
> .
>  
>
>
> *2.  Installation and Use Rights.*
>> **
>>
>> *d.  Multi use scenarios.*
>>
>> 
>>
>> (iii)*Device connections*. You may allow up to 20 other devices to 
>> access the software installed on the licensed device for the purpose of 
>> using the following software features: file services, print services, 
>> Internet 
>> information services, and Internet connection sharing and telephony 
>> services on the licensed device. You may allow any number of devices to 
>> access the software on the licensed device to synchronize data between 
>> devices. This section does not mean, however, that you have the right to 
>> install the software, or use the primary function of the software (other 
>> than the features listed in this section), on any of these other devices.
>>
> So with the right settings, it *may be* possible to activate it for most 
> windows machines. ... The important phrase is "may be", since nobody really 
> knows, how  crippeld "Home xxx" and OEM Licenses really are. 
>
> For those who are courious, *IIS *is the equivalent of the Apache and 
> Lighttdp servers, that Lost Admin mentioned. ... So it should be possible 
> to use the stuff for local installations. 
>
> ... I'm not at home at the moment. So I can't run tests with my machine. 
> But anyone who is interested, should expolore the docs 
> ,
>  
> run some tests and report back here. 
>
> Especially interesting: OS version used! So we can see, if it works with 
> "Home " licenses. I do have a Win10 Pro, wich I can test on :)
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

We all speak many languages and variations including technical ones, pseudo 
codes, jargon not to mention the common international languages. I have no 
doubt that language specific groups should be encouraged so new ideas are 
free flowing in different tongues. The most powerful networks consist of 
interconnected clusters with sufficient communications between each 
cluster. It is perhaps clear that English may be the glue given TW's 
history, or tiddlywikis "lingua franca" however it is also clear this is 
only the beginning.  

I would encourage the interchange of key terms found in different languages 
when that term can be defined (at length if necessary) and if it serves to 
capture a useful conceptual idea.

There is no doubt that German for one example has some wonderful compound 
words or hard to translate words that are very useful. Once you share the 
definition (via translation) we can use that word ourselves and need not 
translate, we simply use the word.

In such a loose network however we may need to have a shared glossary.

I for one would love to talk systems and ecological language (in English) 
speaking with some tiddlywiki enthusiasts.

Love the conversations, team.

Tony

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 4:09:57 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Can we have some threads in GERMAN?
>
> I'd like that. There are several prominent German speakers here. I could 
> just about cope. Not sure i could reply coherently. But I'd attempt it.
>
> IS TIDDLYWIKI discussion doomed to English? 
>
> German has GREAT facility to create CONCEPTS. 
>
> TiddlyWiki is such a strange thing it needs new concepts. German could 
> help.
>
> Thoughts from the off-hours side  
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah 
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-05 Thread 'c pa' via TiddlyWiki

>> DUMP TiddlyWikiDocs & TiddlyWikiDev
These 2 groups experience periodic spurts of activity when clever folks get 
into really deep discussions that are off the general topic

>>START a TiddlyWikiNewbie that contains ONLY info for beginners
Because TiddlyWiki is such a complex and functional product, making a 
distinction between newbie and "not newbie" questions is very hard since 
newbies often ask questions that require a tech answer. In the process 
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

That is useful when running it on your local computer, but how robust is it 
if you drop it on the Internet?

There are so many configuration settings in Apache, there must be a way to 
tell it to include an ETag header in PUT requests.

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>
> I just thought I would mention that TiddlyServer does not have this 
> problem either. I specifically designed it to support the current webdav 
> (put) saver in TiddlyWiki.
>
> Judging by what is going on in the IIS thread, I think IIS has the same 
> issue.
>
> On my Lighttpd server, I don't have this issue.
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.



On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 1:21:04 PM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> ...
> On my Lighttpd server, I don't have this issue.
> ...
>

I've tested using Firefox and put screenshots up at 
https://wiki.suntrap.ca/webdav/davsaver.html (for now). Lighttpd does not 
exhibit this issue but it also doesn't send the If-Match: header on then 
2nd PUT request (the one that fails with Apache and maybe IIS).

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

I just thought I would mention that TiddlyServer does not have this problem
either. I specifically designed it to support the current webdav (put)
saver in TiddlyWiki.

Judging by what is going on in the IIS thread, I think IIS has the same
issue.

On my Lighttpd server, I don't have this issue.

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Re: [tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

I don't care if you discuss things in German. Gmail has a translate
feature, I believe. It would probably be useful to make sure the subject is
also German so we can easily see that it is a German discussion. If you
come up with something good, you can always tell us in English in a new
thread. :)

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Jan  wrote:

> Hallo Josiah,
> eine kurze deutsche Antwort (very short because I will continue in
> English). Danke für das Lob und das Interesse. Ich glaube das Deutsche
> hilft dabei komplexe Probleme abzubilden, der Schlüssel zur Lösung von
> Problemen ist aber oft gerade die Übersetzung. The key to solving problems
> is in translation because it makes you see them from another angle. And it
> is a very good process to simplify complex problems by formulating them
> with the reduced means you got in another language. And to a language which
> is much closer to informatics because all the important terms there are
> English.
> This Mailinglist showing the force of Crowd/Swarm Intelligence which
> formulates itself in English.
> So I am happy to write in English and  I am also very happy if you native
> speakers are generous with my german-induced Typos (I involuntarily keep on
> typing Nouns with Capital Letters).
>
> Herzlich/Cordialment
> Jan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 05.09.2017 um 21:18 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> In practice I think getting German speakers to author from their first
> language could be a revelation. That doesn't mean we can't approximate it
> in English later. Its more about letting Germans THINK & ARTICULATE in
> German about TiddlyWiki. German is a very unusual language. Its immensely
> creative.
>
> J.
>
> Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> I do not speak a word of German
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Re: [tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

2017-09-05 Thread Jan

Hallo Josiah,
eine kurze deutsche Antwort (very short because I will continue in
English). Danke für das Lob und das Interesse. Ich glaube das Deutsche
hilft dabei komplexe Probleme abzubilden, der Schlüssel zur Lösung von
Problemen ist aber oft gerade die Übersetzung. The key to solving
problems is in translation because it makes you see them from another
angle. And it is a very good process to simplify complex problems by
formulating them with the reduced means you got in another language. And
to a language which is much closer to informatics because all the
important terms there are English.
This Mailinglist showing the force of Crowd/Swarm Intelligence which
formulates itself in English.
So I am happy to write in English and I am also very happy if you
native speakers are generous with my german-induced Typos (I
involuntarily keep on typing Nouns with Capital Letters).

Herzlich/Cordialment
Jan

Am 05.09.2017 um 21:18 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
In practice I think getting German speakers to author from their first
language could be a revelation. That doesn't mean we can't approximate
it in English later. Its more about letting Germans THINK & ARTICULATE
in German about TiddlyWiki. German is a very unusual language. Its
immensely creative.

Lost Admin wrote:

I do not speak a word of German

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[tw] Re: Make a borderless table

2017-09-05 Thread codacodercodacoder



On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-5, Vayu Asura wrote:
>
>
> when invoked with  it keeps the 
> outermost border of the table
>
>
I see no border using Eric's code.  I checked the css and looked in 
DevTools inspector.  Apart from TW's row styling being applied to the 
wikitext version, they're identical with respect to borders. 

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

In practice I think getting German speakers to author from their first 
language could be a revelation. That doesn't mean we can't approximate it 
in English later. Its more about letting Germans THINK & ARTICULATE in 
German about TiddlyWiki. German is a very unusual language. Its immensely 
creative.

J.

Lost Admin wrote:
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> I do not speak a word of German
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[tw] Re: Make a borderless table

2017-09-05 Thread Vayu Asura

Found Eric's solution 
here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/UC10tciyr1U

I have no idea how it works save for the most abstract concepts. The funny 
thing about its implication is:

when invoked with  it keeps the outermost 
border of the table
and when invoked like 

@@.borderless


@@


removes the outer border as well.

Weird.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:27:03 PM UTC+3, Vayu Asura wrote:
>
> I want a specific table to be bordeless
>
> The syntax for wiki tables allows that style string in the top. 
>
> However I couldn't either find a proper style in the default stylesheet to 
> get the invisible border or make my own:
>
> tagged `$:/tags/Stylesheet`
>
> .no-border {
> border: 0px;
> }
>
> and the table I want to make borderless in another tiddler:
>
> |.no-border|k
> |myfield|myvalue|
>
> Dev-tools show 
>
> 
> 
> myfieldmyvalue
> 
> 
>
> But the border still renders. What am I doing wrong?
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Make a borderless table

2017-09-05 Thread Vayu Asura

that yields quite strange results actually...

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:52:28 PM UTC+3, codacoder...@outlook.com 
wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, Vayu Asura wrote:
>>
>> I want a specific table to be bordeless
>>
>> The syntax for wiki tables allows that style string in the top. 
>>
>> However I couldn't either find a proper style in the default stylesheet 
>> to get the invisible border or make my own:
>>
>> tagged `$:/tags/Stylesheet`
>>
>> .no-border {
>> border: 0px;
>> }
>>
>> and the table I want to make borderless in another tiddler:
>>
>> |.no-border|k
>> |myfield|myvalue|
>>
>> Dev-tools show 
>>
>
>  
> Remove the dot from the class:
>
>
>> 
>>
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

After a while chickens land ...

As far as i can see THIS group covers EVERYTHING TiddlyWiki.

The groups *TiddlyWikiDocs & TiddlyWikiDev seem very peripheral. Are they 
NEEDED?*

The flipside  is that often here dicussion is HIGHLY TECHNICAL 
conversations that some visitor looking to be able to get a bit of software 
to be able to write a memo to grandma would find far too much.

I have a suggestion.

1 - DUMP TiddlyWikiDocs & TiddlyWikiDev

2 - START a TiddlyWikiNewbie that contains ONLY info for beginners

In any case the current situation with the groups is more platitude than 
reality. HERE is the hub. Any OTHER group should be the HUB INTRO. IMO. Get 
rid of redundancy.

Best wishes
Josiah 

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[tw] Re: Make a borderless table

2017-09-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

In the table it should be: 

|no-border|k
|myfield|myvalue|

Then, I found I needed this for the class. YMMV:

.no-border th, .no-border td, .no-border tr, table.no-border {
border: none  ;
}

Mark

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 11:27:03 AM UTC-7, Vayu Asura wrote:
>
> I want a specific table to be bordeless
>
> The syntax for wiki tables allows that style string in the top. 
>
> However I couldn't either find a proper style in the default stylesheet to 
> get the invisible border or make my own:
>
> tagged `$:/tags/Stylesheet`
>
> .no-border {
> border: 0px;
> }
>
> and the table I want to make borderless in another tiddler:
>
> |.no-border|k
> |myfield|myvalue|
>
> Dev-tools show 
>
> 
> 
> myfieldmyvalue
> 
> 
>
> But the border still renders. What am I doing wrong?
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Make a borderless table

2017-09-05 Thread Ton Gerner

Hi Vayu

See 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/UC10tciyr1U/8mQuSt4VBsUJ

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

I do not speak a word of German (except for the really bad german from the 
old 1970's Hogan's Heros, but that doesn't count).

I would not be at all offended if people who prefer to communicate in 
German did so. I would not be able to take part in any way, but that's my 
problem. I do not make the rules for this forum, so it's not up to me in 
any case.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:09:57 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Can we have some threads in GERMAN?
>
> I'd like that. There are several prominent German speakers here. I could 
> just about cope. Not sure i could reply coherently. But I'd attempt it.
>
> IS TIDDLYWIKI discussion doomed to English? 
>
> German has GREAT facility to create CONCEPTS. 
>
> TiddlyWiki is such a strange thing it needs new concepts. German could 
> help.
>
> Thoughts from the off-hours side  
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah 
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Make a borderless table

2017-09-05 Thread codacodercodacoder



On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, Vayu Asura wrote:
>
> I want a specific table to be bordeless
>
> The syntax for wiki tables allows that style string in the top. 
>
> However I couldn't either find a proper style in the default stylesheet to 
> get the invisible border or make my own:
>
> tagged `$:/tags/Stylesheet`
>
> .no-border {
> border: 0px;
> }
>
> and the table I want to make borderless in another tiddler:
>
> |.no-border|k
> |myfield|myvalue|
>
> Dev-tools show 
>

 
Remove the dot from the class:


> 
>



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[tw] Make a borderless table

2017-09-05 Thread Vayu Asura

I want a specific table to be bordeless

The syntax for wiki tables allows that style string in the top. 

However I couldn't either find a proper style in the default stylesheet to 
get the invisible border or make my own:

tagged `$:/tags/Stylesheet`

.no-border {
border: 0px;
}

and the table I want to make borderless in another tiddler:

|.no-border|k
|myfield|myvalue|

Dev-tools show 



myfieldmyvalue



But the border still renders. What am I doing wrong?


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[tw] Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

I'd like that. There are several prominent German speakers here. I could 
just about cope. Not sure i could reply coherently. But I'd attempt it.

IS TIDDLYWIKI discussion doomed to English? 

German has GREAT facility to create CONCEPTS. 

TiddlyWiki is such a strange thing it needs new concepts. German could help.

Thoughts from the off-hours side  

Best wishes
Josiah 


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Re: [tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options

Obviously not.

@TiddlyTweeter  schrieb am Di. 5. Sep. 2017 um
19:12:

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

Minimal, and reliable test case:

1) Set-up a WebDAV server on Apache (follow the Apache instructions, 
nothing special).

2) Put a TiddlyWiki on it. Also nothing special, just the standard 
empty.html from TiddlyWiki.com.

3) Edit a Tiddler and save it (make sure it saves to the WebDAV server.

4) Wait for the save to finish.

5) Make another edit (of the same tiddler if you want)

6) Save again.

7) The error pops up.

In Firefox the developer tools can be used to see what is passing on the 
network. Pay close attention to the ETAG header and it's value (and when it 
doesn't show up). In theory you could do this with Chrome too, but when I 
try the Chrome developer tools keep hanging so I can't see the headers on 
each step.

Judging by what is going on in the IIS thread, I think IIS has the same 
issue.

On my Lighttpd server, I don't have this issue.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 1:12:06 PM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 3:46:50 PM UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> I was coming to the same conclusion, except it appears that IIS has the 
>> same problem (judging by what was going on in the IIS WebDAV setup video 
>> thread).
>>
>
> Is there a minimal test-case? So I can reproduce the issue?
>  
>
>> It looks like the HEAD call does include an Etag, so conceivably issuing 
>> a HEAD after confirming the PUT succeeded would get the new Etag. 
>>
> Unfortunately, that would introduce a race condition if there are multiple 
>> people editing the file.
>>
>
> WebDAV supports a locking mechanism. ... It could be used to prevent 2 
> users editing a TW at the same time. 
>

Yes, that is sort of the problem. the mechanism to prevent the editing 
conflicts is handled by the ETAG header. But, when you save changes (HTTP 
PUT), you don't get a new ETAG with the response from Apache. However, the 
ETAG changes whenever the file changes. At least, I *think* that is what is 
going on.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

I am absolutely loving this thread. Its so technical it could be an opera 
in Latvian.

Carry on. I'm just making notes.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options

I have a very, very small mind.

Am I excluded?

Thomas Elmiger wrote:
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> Only great minds in this group, Tony, only great minds :–) 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

2017-09-05 Thread PMario

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 3:46:50 PM UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I was coming to the same conclusion, except it appears that IIS has the 
> same problem (judging by what was going on in the IIS WebDAV setup video 
> thread).
>

Is there a minimal test-case? So I can reproduce the issue?
 

> It looks like the HEAD call does include an Etag, so conceivably issuing a 
> HEAD after confirming the PUT succeeded would get the new Etag. 
>
Unfortunately, that would introduce a race condition if there are multiple 
> people editing the file.
>

WebDAV supports a locking mechanism. ... It could be used to prevent 2 
users editing a TW at the same time. 
 
-m

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[tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options

Only great minds in this group, Tony, only great minds :–)

The color can be adjusted via CSS fill attribute:


.tc-image-done-button {
 fill:red;
}


Maybe you will have to add your own class or a span with an additional class to 
get the desired result. 

Good luck!

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[tw] Re: Presenting: BLC Plugin! For kanban like organization in the style of Trello using boards, lists, and cards.

Hi Reid

You had me at the point concerning not owning your own data … great effort!

I just stumbled upon this article: 
https://www.sitepoint.com/building-trello-layout-css-grid-flexbox/

I don’t know if this is of interest for you but could maybe inspire you if you 
want to make your tool more Trello-y as Jeremy suggested. 

All the best!
Thomas 

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[tw] Re: working with "original" shadow tiddler

2017-09-05 Thread BJ

I've put it here:

http://bjhacks.tiddlyspot.com/

enjoy!

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:51:33 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:
>
> So, you have an operator "plugin", that replaces the overriding tiddler 
> with the original shadow tiddler, for the scope of the filter run??? This 
> belongs in the core! Please do share. Thanks. :)
>
> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 4:36:48 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>
>> I dont think there is a way to do that.
>>
>> I have an extension that I use for this it has the syntax:
>>
>> <$set name="plugintiddler" value="$:/plugins/bj/struc">
>> <$list filter = 
>> "[plugintitle[$:/plugins/bj/struc/license]fields[]]">
>>
>> <$view tiddler=<> subtiddler="$:/plugins/bj/struc/license" 
>> field=<> format="text"/> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> I could share it if you like...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:49:26 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that's what I'm doing. That's how I can display any field if I know 
>>> it's name. I can transclude it using the subtiddler option and the field 
>>> option. I'm looking for the next step - to display all the fields, without 
>>> knowing their names. With a standard tiddler, I would use a fields[] filter 
>>> operator for that. But there is no way to do it for a subtiddler.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:00:29 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:

 you can use the subtiddler option with the transclusion widget

 BJ

 On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:10:26 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:
>
> Not see for myself, but *display*.
>
> I already got to the point where I can display each field of the 
> original by name, explicitly. What I'm looking for is a filter to list 
> all 
> fields of the tiddler that is inside `[shadowsource[]]`. 
>
> -R.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 4:51:12 PM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 1:09:48 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:
>>>
>>> When I have a tiddler overriding a shadow, how can I display the 
>>> original shadow tiddler as defined in a plugin, including all it's 
>>> fields?
>>>
>>
>> Just rename the "new" tiddler and the shadow will come back.  
>> back and forth. 
>>
>> -m
>>
>
>
>>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] [NoteSelf] How do I encrypt a NoteSelf wiki?

2017-09-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

The single tiddler encryption plugin is also by Danielo:

http://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-EncryptTiddlerPlugin/

Mark

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 6:38:40 AM UTC-7, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I believe someone created a per-tiddler encryption add-on/module but I 
> can't find it now. I have never tested it.
>
> The built-in encryption with TiddlyWiki (that prompts for a password when 
> you load the wiki) does not work with NoteSelf, I've tested it. I also 
> verified with my tests that the back-end (couchdb) has the individual 
> tiddlers in clear text.
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 8:03:22 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Isn't there a way to encrypt individual tiddlers? The mechanism used to 
>> load tiddlers from CouchDB is unrelated to the encryption mechanism in 
>> TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki on NodeJS does not support encryption either. 
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:11 AM, ccT  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> Any progress on the issue ?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Le vendredi 7 juillet 2017 15:02:57 UTC+2, Lost Admin a écrit :

 TiddlyWiki has the ability to encrypt the TiddlyWiki. I don't use it 
 often but I do use it on one private Wiki that is accessible over the 
 Internet. I would like to do this on NoteSelf but when I try, it just 
 ignores the encryption setting/flag and continues without encrypting 
 anything.

 I've setup CouchDB (the back-end tool used by NoteSelf) and have 
 NoteSelf working (tested and confirmed). But the encryption doesn't happen 
 and I never get prompted for the decryption password. I've looked into the 
 CouchDB back-end to confirm the content isn't encrypted. 

 Is it possible at this stage to use client-side encryption (what TW5 
 does) with NoteSelf? If so, some pointers?

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

I was coming to the same conclusion, except it appears that IIS has the 
same problem (judging by what was going on in the IIS WebDAV setup video 
thread).

Also, if I read the technical docs on Etag, the PUT shouldn't send a new 
Etag as there is no content in the response (the Etag is tied to the reply 
content).

It looks like the HEAD call does include an Etag, so conceivably issuing a 
HEAD after confirming the PUT succeeded would get the new Etag. 
Unfortunately, that would introduce a race condition if there are multiple 
people editing the file.

Does the TiddlyWiki WebDAV saver support anything other than Etag? While it 
appears Etag is the default, I ran across some cryptic comments about 
disabling Etag and adding a last-changed timestamp. Possibly the PUT would 
include the timestamp. Unfortunately, this is not the default for Apache 
and would require clear documentation  on our part to explain to people how 
to set-up their WebDAV servers (and significantly reduces the likelihood 
that WebDAV supporting cloud providers will work properly).

I've been looking but haven't (yet) figured out how to tell Apache to 
include the Etag header in the PUT response header.

NOTE: to those who have no idea what I was talking about above, Arlen and I 
are digging into the finer points of the HTTP protocol and WebDAV protocol 
to see if we can fix an issue that's been bugging us (well, at least me).

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:18:07 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> It is becoming pretty clear that for some reason the Etag is not being set 
> in the response header, nor anything else equivalent to it. Per our 
> discussion privately, it does seem that this is an Apache issue, however I 
> have not been able to look into it further. 
>
> A couple of articles which touch on this: 
>
>- 
>
> https://fullstackhack.wordpress.com/2014/12/10/the-pain-of-etags-mod_deflate-apache-2-4-and-tomcat-7/
> 
>- https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/caching.html
>
> At some point I will test it on one of my servers and see if I can get it 
> working. However, it is obvious that this is the problem. One option would 
> be to make a second head request if the 204 response does not contain an 
> Etag, but I guess that wouldn't be atomic either.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] [NoteSelf] How do I encrypt a NoteSelf wiki?

I believe someone created a per-tiddler encryption add-on/module but I 
can't find it now. I have never tested it.

The built-in encryption with TiddlyWiki (that prompts for a password when 
you load the wiki) does not work with NoteSelf, I've tested it. I also 
verified with my tests that the back-end (couchdb) has the individual 
tiddlers in clear text.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 8:03:22 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Isn't there a way to encrypt individual tiddlers? The mechanism used to 
> load tiddlers from CouchDB is unrelated to the encryption mechanism in 
> TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki on NodeJS does not support encryption either. 
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:11 AM, ccT > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>> Any progress on the issue ?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Le vendredi 7 juillet 2017 15:02:57 UTC+2, Lost Admin a écrit :
>>>
>>> TiddlyWiki has the ability to encrypt the TiddlyWiki. I don't use it 
>>> often but I do use it on one private Wiki that is accessible over the 
>>> Internet. I would like to do this on NoteSelf but when I try, it just 
>>> ignores the encryption setting/flag and continues without encrypting 
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> I've setup CouchDB (the back-end tool used by NoteSelf) and have 
>>> NoteSelf working (tested and confirmed). But the encryption doesn't happen 
>>> and I never get prompted for the decryption password. I've looked into the 
>>> CouchDB back-end to confirm the content isn't encrypted. 
>>>
>>> Is it possible at this stage to use client-side encryption (what TW5 
>>> does) with NoteSelf? If so, some pointers?
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

It is becoming pretty clear that for some reason the Etag is not being set
in the response header, nor anything else equivalent to it. Per our
discussion privately, it does seem that this is an Apache issue, however I
have not been able to look into it further.

A couple of articles which touch on this:

   - https://fullstackhack.wordpress.com/2014/12/10/the-
   pain-of-etags-mod_deflate-apache-2-4-and-tomcat-7/
   


   - https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/caching.html

At some point I will test it on one of my servers and see if I can get it
working. However, it is obvious that this is the problem. One option would
be to make a second head request if the 204 response does not contain an
Etag, but I guess that wouldn't be atomic either.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] [NoteSelf] How do I encrypt a NoteSelf wiki?

Isn't there a way to encrypt individual tiddlers? The mechanism used to
load tiddlers from CouchDB is unrelated to the encryption mechanism in
TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki on NodeJS does not support encryption either.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:11 AM, ccT  wrote:

> Hello.
> Any progress on the issue ?
> Thanks.
>
> Le vendredi 7 juillet 2017 15:02:57 UTC+2, Lost Admin a écrit :
>>
>> TiddlyWiki has the ability to encrypt the TiddlyWiki. I don't use it
>> often but I do use it on one private Wiki that is accessible over the
>> Internet. I would like to do this on NoteSelf but when I try, it just
>> ignores the encryption setting/flag and continues without encrypting
>> anything.
>>
>> I've setup CouchDB (the back-end tool used by NoteSelf) and have NoteSelf
>> working (tested and confirmed). But the encryption doesn't happen and I
>> never get prompted for the decryption password. I've looked into the
>> CouchDB back-end to confirm the content isn't encrypted.
>>
>> Is it possible at this stage to use client-side encryption (what TW5
>> does) with NoteSelf? If so, some pointers?
>>
>
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[tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options

Ha Ha, Thomas,


Great minds think alike or is it fools never differ?



I am still trying to find out how to color them, and do not know how to 
close the original tiddler.

PS I would simply adopt your plugin however I am 90% of the way to making 
my own with the above two issues. I will see if I can harvest the answers 
from yours.

Argggh

Tony



On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 8:57:42 PM UTC+10, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
> You might be interested in the (itermediate) result of my latest hack ;–)
>
> See: https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#Save%20and%20close%20Button%20Plugin
>
> All comments I have are there. Sorry, I am in a hurry.
>
> Good luck!
> Thomas
>
> Am Dienstag, 5. September 2017 09:44:46 UTC+2 schrieb TonyM:
>>
>> Post Script,
>>
>> I would also like to toggle On/Off the Dialogue that asks "Do you wish to 
>> discard changes to the tiddler "
>>
>> After all I will only loose the changes to this tiddler
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:36:17 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Here is my steps to answering my own question. On the Cancel Close 
>>> Button, see below for the last piece of the Puzzle I do not have.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Clone $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancel
>>>   - Rename to $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancelclose
>>>- Clone $:/language/Buttons/Cancel/Hint to 
>>>$:/language/Buttons/CancelClose/Hint
>>>   - change content to "Discard and close this tiddler"
>>>- Clone $:/language/Buttons/Cancel/Caption to 
>>>$:/language/Buttons/CancelClose/Caption
>>>   - change content to "cancel/close"
>>>- Edit $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancelclose
>>>   - Rename the Cancel/hint and Cancel/Caption to CancelClose/hint 
>>>   and CancelClose/Caption respectively
>>>   - Place {{$:/core/images/close-button}} after 1st 
>>>   {{$:/core/images/cancel-button}}
>>>  - Looks OK especially when using ControlPanel > Settings > 
>>>  Toolbar Button Style > Boxed but you could replace with another 
>>> button Icon
>>>   - add <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-close-tiddler"/> before 
>>>   last 
>>>
>>> This "Works" on the Draft Of Tiddler name but the original tiddler 
>>> remains open, how do I also Close the Original tiddler?
>>>
>>>
>>> I can publish this as a plugin (with better Icons) once working, and if 
>>> not already available but It would be a nice option in the "Core" with 
>>> little effort.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options

Ciao Thomas

Excellent. Not least the icon. This makes what I'm already using--the great 
initial RichardWS version--into an even better version.

I hadn't really grasped the caveats on where it can't work. I just got 
confused. Hats off to you so I don't have to encounter that confusion.

Josiah, x

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>
> See: https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#Save%20and%20close%20Button%20Plugin
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[tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options

Hi Tony

You might be interested in the (itermediate) result of my latest hack ;–)

See: https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#Save%20and%20close%20Button%20Plugin

All comments I have are there. Sorry, I am in a hurry.

Good luck!
Thomas

Am Dienstag, 5. September 2017 09:44:46 UTC+2 schrieb TonyM:
>
> Post Script,
>
> I would also like to toggle On/Off the Dialogue that asks "Do you wish to 
> discard changes to the tiddler "
>
> After all I will only loose the changes to this tiddler
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:36:17 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Here is my steps to answering my own question. On the Cancel Close 
>> Button, see below for the last piece of the Puzzle I do not have.
>>
>>
>>- Clone $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancel
>>   - Rename to $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancelclose
>>- Clone $:/language/Buttons/Cancel/Hint to 
>>$:/language/Buttons/CancelClose/Hint
>>   - change content to "Discard and close this tiddler"
>>- Clone $:/language/Buttons/Cancel/Caption to 
>>$:/language/Buttons/CancelClose/Caption
>>   - change content to "cancel/close"
>>- Edit $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancelclose
>>   - Rename the Cancel/hint and Cancel/Caption to CancelClose/hint 
>>   and CancelClose/Caption respectively
>>   - Place {{$:/core/images/close-button}} after 1st 
>>   {{$:/core/images/cancel-button}}
>>  - Looks OK especially when using ControlPanel > Settings > 
>>  Toolbar Button Style > Boxed but you could replace with another 
>> button Icon
>>   - add <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-close-tiddler"/> before 
>>   last 
>>
>> This "Works" on the Draft Of Tiddler name but the original tiddler 
>> remains open, how do I also Close the Original tiddler?
>>
>>
>> I can publish this as a plugin (with better Icons) once working, and if 
>> not already available but It would be a nice option in the "Core" with 
>> little effort.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options

Post Script,

I would also like to toggle On/Off the Dialogue that asks "Do you wish to 
discard changes to the tiddler "

After all I will only loose the changes to this tiddler

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:36:17 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Here is my steps to answering my own question. On the Cancel Close Button, 
> see below for the last piece of the Puzzle I do not have.
>
>
>- Clone $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancel
>   - Rename to $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancelclose
>- Clone $:/language/Buttons/Cancel/Hint to 
>$:/language/Buttons/CancelClose/Hint
>   - change content to "Discard and close this tiddler"
>- Clone $:/language/Buttons/Cancel/Caption to 
>$:/language/Buttons/CancelClose/Caption
>   - change content to "cancel/close"
>- Edit $:/core/ui/Buttons/cancelclose
>   - Rename the Cancel/hint and Cancel/Caption to CancelClose/hint and 
>   CancelClose/Caption respectively
>   - Place {{$:/core/images/close-button}} after 1st 
>   {{$:/core/images/cancel-button}}
>  - Looks OK especially when using ControlPanel > Settings > 
>  Toolbar Button Style > Boxed but you could replace with another 
> button Icon
>   - add <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-close-tiddler"/> before 
>   last 
>
> This "Works" on the Draft Of Tiddler name but the original tiddler remains 
> open, how do I also Close the Original tiddler?
>
>
> I can publish this as a plugin (with better Icons) once working, and if 
> not already available but It would be a nice option in the "Core" with 
> little effort.
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Done Close and Cancel Close toolbar options