[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[Mal]

Great work Evan!

I did find that the rounding functions fail when a second parameter is 
provided, so I submitted an issue on Github.

Regards,

Mal

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[Birthe C]

Reverse polish notation https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html

Den fredag den 15. december 2017 kl. 21.39.58 UTC+1 skrev Ste Wilson:
>
> Arrgghhh another option 
> rboue.tiddlyspot.com
> mathcell.tiddlyspot.com
> Reverse polish notation.. (can't find the link...) 
>
>
> I shall check this out! Cheers. 
>

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[tw] Re: muuri.js library useful? any Ideas how to use this?

[BurningTreeC]

@TonyM, thanks for your detailed comment!

yes, indeed - tw is already capable to do amazing things

to figure out what's possible to do is one aspect of this great piece of 
software - being capable to add new things and flexibility is another


I'm also thinking about having a plugin for such functionality as in the 
example, by time I'll figure out how

Yes, I've seen that it's sensible not to compromise existing features when 
trying to add new ones. How you do it matters a lot in this context


The existing kanban plugins are something I like - I'd wish to have a 
drag plugin that adds flexible functionality that's accessible to use 
"on the fly" with a widget.
To figure out how is the main process here

The filtering is already a built-in as demonstrated in this grid 
demo: https://haltu.github.io/muuri/ ... another thing one may want as 
option


@Diego Mesa - thanks, glad you like it!



Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2017 14:31:55 UTC+1 schrieb BurningTreeC:
>
> I was playing around with this library
>
> https://github.com/haltu/muuri
>
> ... got a grid working inside tw:  http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/ *   - 
> But honestly, I don't know what I'm doing*
>
>
> I think I did a great mess initializing this, I'm a noob in javascript and 
> tw widgets ...
>
>
>
> Do you have any Ideas how to use this in a sane way?
>

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[mystikite]

is this campaignWiki plugin available?


On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 11:05:58 PM UTC-6, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Evan, this looks great! I think it will replace MathCell in my Earthdawn 
> "CampaignWiki" plugin. :)
>
> Mahalo (Thanks)!
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:37:26 PM UTC-8, Evan Balster wrote:
>>
>> Hello, all —
>>
>> I got fed up with the lack of good number-crunching capabilities in 
>> TiddlyWiki, and after griping about it for a year I fixed it.
>>
>> Introducing the *Formula plugin*:  
>> http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html  (version 0.1.0 at time 
>> of posting)
>> Source and issue tracking on GitHub:  
>> https://github.com/EvanBalster/TiddlyWikiFormula
>>
>>
>> Formula is implemented as a widget, with a special *(=* "mushroom 
>> bracket" *=)* syntax for inclusion in WikiText.  It supports filters, 
>> transclusion and variables, can process other formulas included via those 
>> mechanisms, and automatically refreshes like the rest of TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> (= ( sum([tag[Profits]get[value]]) - sum(tag[Expenses]get[value]]) ) * {{
>> Tax!!rate}} =)
>>
>> A macro allows formulas to be used as attributes (pending proper 
>> integration with the wiki parser):
>>
>> > >
>>
>> I'm modeling most of the syntax and behavior after popular spreadsheet 
>> software (Microsoft Excel and Google Sheets) and have implemented a decent 
>> library of math functions so far.  While I don't plan on making a full 
>> spreadsheet UI, I'm working on support for cell numbers and ranges in 
>> formulas (so others can do so).
>>
>> The wiki itself documents formula syntax extensively:  
>> http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html
>>
>>
>> I'm sure many of you, like me, have been looking for something like this 
>> for a long time.  If so, please give it a look, report any issues you 
>> encounter on GitHub 
>> , and feel free 
>> to share any function or operator extensions you develop.
>>
>> For my part, I'll be tearing a lot of old, bad code out of my tax ledger 
>> wiki and my D character sheet automator.  And generating some slick 
>> SVGs.  :)
>>
>>
>> Enjoy —
>> Evan Balster, imitone 
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: muuri.js library useful? any Ideas how to use this?

[Diego Mesa]

Wow this lets you drag and drop your tiddlers directly!!! Beautiful!

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
> BuriningTreeC
>
> You Ask *"However, I'd like to know if you like it, if you think this 
> should be something TW should be able to do - maybe it's already capable of 
> doing this without big effort?"*
>
> TiddlyWiki already has so much potential we may wonder why we would want 
> more ways to do things, but building on its base flexibility is what makes 
> tiddlywiki so full of promise.
>
> To be honest, when I look at your playground, I am amazed with the 
> potential, but at this point I do not have a specific application but the 
> imagination has being switched on, and once again I am inspired to commit 
> to TiddlyWiki for personal and business uses. Perhaps even for commercial 
> purposes when I match my clients needs to tiddlywiki. TiddlyWiki has as 
> much potential as every technology it uses and applications people create 
> from it - effectively unlimited.
>
> Even as I write this, the ideas flow, Imagine a large screen or a 
> projector and participants contributing "cards" from their own TiddlyWiki's 
> this would be idea for sorting and discussion of items raised in a 
> brainstorming session. Just add some subjects and ratings, or voting counts.
>
> Or a way to expand a list of tiddlers to an easier visualisation to sort 
> and prioritise. Much more friendly than a list of tiddlers.
>
> Answer;
>
> Yes, TiddlyWiki should be able to do this and its uses will expand by the 
> users who adopt it.
>
> Caveats,
>
> In my personal view any such solution should avoid dependence on being 
> released as an "Edition", better as a Plugin or bundle but should also be 
> designed as if it would be in the core, even if it is not placed in the 
> core.
> The reason I say "as if it were in the core", describes a design 
> sensibility, that makes such a solution not compromise existing features of 
> tiddlywiki, but adds value to any, in which it can be installed. 
>
> You may have seen the two Kanban Plugins available? You may consider 
> seeing if this tiddler view can operate in a tiddler that can be opened in 
> a "New Window", acting as an Index to the story river, this would help with 
> workflow and presentations. If the tiddlers that appear can be selected by 
> filter all the better, and removed if the filter status changes.
>
> Great work, yes please keep going.
> Regards
> Tony
>
>  
>
>
> On Saturday, 16 December 2017 01:06:00 UTC+11, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> UPDATE:
>>
>> New: multitouch zooming on tiddlers. You can zoom single tiddlers in and 
>> out.
>>
>> uses https://github.com/Popmotion/popmotion ...
>>
>> This is just for playing and demonstration purposes. Like @TiddlyTweeter 
>> said, it would be great if something like this would be possible  without 
>> depending on many external libraries.
>>
>> The implementation of the drag and zooming needs work - I'll get 
>> there with some js studying - I'm a newb going to be a newbie ;)
>>
>> reordering the muuri grid doesn't update the tiddler coordinates - so 
>> after reordering tiddlers zooming will take place on a wrong position.
>>
>> things I'd like to sort out ... I'll see
>>
>> However, I'd like to know if you like it, if you think this should be 
>> something TW should be able to do - maybe it's already capable of doing 
>> this without big effort?
>>
>> http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>>
>> cheers, BurningTreeC
>>
>> Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2017 14:31:55 UTC+1 schrieb BurningTreeC:
>>>
>>> I was playing around with this library
>>>
>>> https://github.com/haltu/muuri
>>>
>>> ... got a grid working inside tw:  http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/ *  
>>>  - But honestly, I don't know what I'm doing*
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I did a great mess initializing this, I'm a noob in javascript 
>>> and tw widgets ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any Ideas how to use this in a sane way?
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Edit Tiddly Wiki files straight on Google Drive

[David Allen]

I seem to be having trouble using this.  I can't save on Opera.

On Saturday, October 21, 2017 at 10:35:10 AM UTC-5, Joshua Stubbs wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I made an app that lets one edit TiddlyWiki files saved in your Google 
> drive and then saving them back automagically. The page is here 
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tiddly-drive/oaphhjhbbabdjnpjpiliepphpmnioolo
>  
> but I think you need to add it from the Google Drive web interface.
>
> I even added an optional ability to save with ctrl + s hotkeys.
>
> I hope you all find it useful. It's open source so all feedback and 
> contributions are welcome. I still have to set up some contribution 
> guidelines but we'll get there!
>
> Kind regards. Joshua.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[TonyM]

I suppose I am a "Excel/Sheets nerd with Opinions",

Also in addition to Excel a SharePoint user/developer I like implementing 
structures on top of Tiddlywiki we find elsewhere, such as hierarchies 
(one, two or multiple parents), Queues, Networks etc... because once you 
have a method it is easy to capture, analyse and use data structured that 
way in tiddlywiki.

I am very interested in "Multidimensional" arrays. Most people can 
conceptualise multidimensional arrays as row column spreadsheets with 
alternative sort orders and column orders (easy to achieve in SharePoint 
Views). Tiddlers can be rows (with fields) or cells or contain lists.

If we have a complete set of tools to interrogate tiddlywiki there seems to 
me to be no structure in the universe we cant represent.

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, 16 December 2017 05:16:31 UTC+11, Evan Balster wrote:
>
> Hey, Mat —
>
> So there is an Array datatype in the plugin now, but filter runs are the 
> only way to create one.  TiddlyWiki's filters are (in my mind) the most 
> natural analog to "cell ranges" in spreadsheet software, so this does make 
> some sense for the record.  That said, there's a strong case for adding 
> some other ways to define arrays, like an ARRAY(a, b, c) function...  It's 
> also natural that there should be more functions dealing with arrays moving 
> forward, as the only thing you can do with them right now is compute a sum!
>
> (Excel/Sheets nerds with Opinions, please chime in.)
>
> Some related functions I've been thinking about include a <$for x="0,100"> 
> widget to make it easier to iterate over a series of numbers.  (I was also 
> thinking about how useful it would be to have a timer widget, which either 
> fires events at an interval or advances a state tiddler's numeric value 
> over a period of time...  This would be sufficient to implement animations, 
> simulations and self-organizing maps.)
>
>
> As a conversation piece, here's a quick experiment in SVG animation I did 
> on my tablet last night:
>
> <$tiddler tiddler="$:/temp/SvgSlider">
> <$edit-text tag=Input field=val type=range class=longslider/>
>
>
> 
> > style="fill:black;"/>
> > style="fill:red;"/>
> > style="fill:white;"/>
> <$list filter=".1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 1" variable=rad>
> <$list filter="0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8" variable=ori>
>cx=<>*100*{{!!val}}%^1.2*sin(pi*<
> >/4.5+{{!!val}}*.08+<>)">>
>   cy=<>*100*{{!!val}}%^1.2*cos(pi*<
> >/4.5+{{!!val}}*.06+<>+.5)">>
>   r=<> style="fill:white;"/>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, 15 December 2017 11:43:28 UTC-6, Mat wrote:
>>
>> @Evan, as noted; fantastic stuff!!! It's like you've collected several of 
>> the things people have desired for for several years and solved it in one 
>> big Ka-Boom!
>>
>> One that that would be very useful are arrays. It seems Formulas almost 
>> features this with the *filter output* and e.g the *choose* function 
>> (more?). TBH, it's not the math aspect I'm personally interested in but 
>> just that I think it would be easier to work with arrays than with lists as 
>> they are currently implemented in TW. (As I write this, it sparks an 
>> idea... that is probably not relevant for your project, but anyway; 
>> analogous to the ListWidget, an ArrayWidget.)
>>
>> Thoughts on arrays?
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw] Re: muuri.js library useful? any Ideas how to use this?

[TonyM]

BuriningTreeC

You Ask *"However, I'd like to know if you like it, if you think this 
should be something TW should be able to do - maybe it's already capable of 
doing this without big effort?"*

TiddlyWiki already has so much potential we may wonder why we would want 
more ways to do things, but building on its base flexibility is what makes 
tiddlywiki so full of promise.

To be honest, when I look at your playground, I am amazed with the 
potential, but at this point I do not have a specific application but the 
imagination has being switched on, and once again I am inspired to commit 
to TiddlyWiki for personal and business uses. Perhaps even for commercial 
purposes when I match my clients needs to tiddlywiki. TiddlyWiki has as 
much potential as every technology it uses and applications people create 
from it - effectively unlimited.

Even as I write this, the ideas flow, Imagine a large screen or a projector 
and participants contributing "cards" from their own TiddlyWiki's this 
would be idea for sorting and discussion of items raised in a brainstorming 
session. Just add some subjects and ratings, or voting counts.

Or a way to expand a list of tiddlers to an easier visualisation to sort 
and prioritise. Much more friendly than a list of tiddlers.

Answer;

Yes, TiddlyWiki should be able to do this and its uses will expand by the 
users who adopt it.

Caveats,

In my personal view any such solution should avoid dependence on being 
released as an "Edition", better as a Plugin or bundle but should also be 
designed as if it would be in the core, even if it is not placed in the 
core.
The reason I say "as if it were in the core", describes a design 
sensibility, that makes such a solution not compromise existing features of 
tiddlywiki, but adds value to any, in which it can be installed. 

You may have seen the two Kanban Plugins available? You may consider seeing 
if this tiddler view can operate in a tiddler that can be opened in a "New 
Window", acting as an Index to the story river, this would help with 
workflow and presentations. If the tiddlers that appear can be selected by 
filter all the better, and removed if the filter status changes.

Great work, yes please keep going.
Regards
Tony

 


On Saturday, 16 December 2017 01:06:00 UTC+11, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> UPDATE:
>
> New: multitouch zooming on tiddlers. You can zoom single tiddlers in and 
> out.
>
> uses https://github.com/Popmotion/popmotion ...
>
> This is just for playing and demonstration purposes. Like @TiddlyTweeter 
> said, it would be great if something like this would be possible  without 
> depending on many external libraries.
>
> The implementation of the drag and zooming needs work - I'll get 
> there with some js studying - I'm a newb going to be a newbie ;)
>
> reordering the muuri grid doesn't update the tiddler coordinates - so 
> after reordering tiddlers zooming will take place on a wrong position.
>
> things I'd like to sort out ... I'll see
>
> However, I'd like to know if you like it, if you think this should be 
> something TW should be able to do - maybe it's already capable of doing 
> this without big effort?
>
> http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com
>
>
> cheers, BurningTreeC
>
> Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2017 14:31:55 UTC+1 schrieb BurningTreeC:
>>
>> I was playing around with this library
>>
>> https://github.com/haltu/muuri
>>
>> ... got a grid working inside tw:  http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/ *   - 
>> But honestly, I don't know what I'm doing*
>>
>>
>> I think I did a great mess initializing this, I'm a noob in javascript 
>> and tw widgets ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have any Ideas how to use this in a sane way?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Json Mangler Update 0.3.0

[Ste Wilson]

I have no idea what this means but bonus points for the disc world reference :)

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[tw] Re: Scheduling reviews of tiddles with a button press?

[Diego Mesa]

Also you're restricted by the type of cards you can have in anki, while in 
TW you can pretty much make a tiddler look and behave almost anyway you 
want.

On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-6, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> There also already examples of this type of thing - see the various 
> kanban/trello, excel, etc. plugins people are working on
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 5:30:17 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Anki is free, works everywhere. Why re-invent the wheel? What is the net 
>> gain?
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[Mat]

Evan Balster wrote:

> ... this does make some sense for the record.
>
 
:-)


... <$for x="0,100"> widget to make it easier to iterate over a series of 
> numbers.   (I was also thinking about how useful it would be to have a 
> timer widget, which either fires events at an interval or advances a state 
> tiddler's numeric value over a period of time...  
>

Vaguely connected would an explicit IFTTT-type widget that can trigger 
based on e.g reached iterative numbers or time. Or any state for that 
matter. Currently, the closest we get is to use listwidgets or 
revealwidgets which is very contrieved IMO, especially for multiple 
conditions where you must stack them. With iterations or timers, one could 
imagine an IFTTT with thresholds like "for as long as x simulations and self-organizing maps.)
>

Self-organizing maps...?? 


As a conversation piece, here's a quick experiment in SVG animation
>

haha! That's either the singularity coming or the collapse of the milky way.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[Ste Wilson]

Arrgghhh another option 
rboue.tiddlyspot.com
mathcell.tiddlyspot.com
Reverse polish notation.. (can't find the link...) 


I shall check this out! Cheers. 

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[Joshua Fontany]

That is a neat demo.

Question: do you have or are you planning any rounding  or averaging 
functions?

Best,
Joshua Fontany

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[Evan Balster]

Hey, Mat —

So there is an Array datatype in the plugin now, but filter runs are the 
only way to create one.  TiddlyWiki's filters are (in my mind) the most 
natural analog to "cell ranges" in spreadsheet software, so this does make 
some sense for the record.  That said, there's a strong case for adding 
some other ways to define arrays, like an ARRAY(a, b, c) function...  It's 
also natural that there should be more functions dealing with arrays moving 
forward, as the only thing you can do with them right now is compute a sum!

(Excel/Sheets nerds with Opinions, please chime in.)

Some related functions I've been thinking about include a <$for x="0,100"> 
widget to make it easier to iterate over a series of numbers.  (I was also 
thinking about how useful it would be to have a timer widget, which either 
fires events at an interval or advances a state tiddler's numeric value 
over a period of time...  This would be sufficient to implement animations, 
simulations and self-organizing maps.)


As a conversation piece, here's a quick experiment in SVG animation I did 
on my tablet last night:

<$tiddler tiddler="$:/temp/SvgSlider">
<$edit-text tag=Input field=val type=range class=longslider/>



> style="fill:black;"/>
> style="fill:red;"/>
> style="fill:white;"/>
<$list filter=".1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 1" variable=rad>
<$list filter="0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8" variable=ori>
>*100*{{!!val}}%^1.2*sin(pi*<
>/4.5+{{!!val}}*.08+<>)">>
  cy=<>*100*{{!!val}}%^1.2*cos(pi*<
>/4.5+{{!!val}}*.06+<>+.5)">>
  r=<> style="fill:white;"/>








On Friday, 15 December 2017 11:43:28 UTC-6, Mat wrote:
>
> @Evan, as noted; fantastic stuff!!! It's like you've collected several of 
> the things people have desired for for several years and solved it in one 
> big Ka-Boom!
>
> One that that would be very useful are arrays. It seems Formulas almost 
> features this with the *filter output* and e.g the *choose* function 
> (more?). TBH, it's not the math aspect I'm personally interested in but 
> just that I think it would be easier to work with arrays than with lists as 
> they are currently implemented in TW. (As I write this, it sparks an 
> idea... that is probably not relevant for your project, but anyway; 
> analogous to the ListWidget, an ArrayWidget.)
>
> Thoughts on arrays?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Formula: Spreadsheet-like mathematics for TiddlyWiki

[Mat]

@Evan, as noted; fantastic stuff!!! It's like you've collected several of 
the things people have desired for for several years and solved it in one 
big Ka-Boom!

One that that would be very useful are arrays. It seems Formulas almost 
features this with the *filter output* and e.g the *choose* function 
(more?). TBH, it's not the math aspect I'm personally interested in but 
just that I think it would be easier to work with arrays than with lists as 
they are currently implemented in TW. (As I write this, it sparks an 
idea... that is probably not relevant for your project, but anyway; 
analogous to the ListWidget, an ArrayWidget.)

Thoughts on arrays?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Inserting a picture in a Tiddler

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The problem is that you need the same address on both platforms. If you're 
not physically synchronizing (copying the files between devices) then you 
need the same web address.

For google drive, look at the last (bottom) post here: 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15557392/how-do-i-display-images-from-google-drive-on-a-website

Even though it's the last post, it's the best because the other's were 
written before Aug. 2016 when Google changed it's policies.

This post tells you how to create an address to google drive that will work 
on more than one device.

If you are physically synching (not using a cloud address), then you need 
either to (1) put the files in the same place relative to your TW file and 
then use a relative path (e.g. "files/mypath/myfile.jpg") or to use a set 
of macros that will allow you to change the base bath ("files/mypath/") 
part depending on where the files are located. I've made macros like this, 
but in reality performance on a small device is so poor that I rarely use 
it.

-- Mark

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 2:03:57 AM UTC-8, Surya wrote:
>
> Hello, 
> for the first a huge THANKYOU to the developers of TiddlyWiki and to the 
> developers of all the plugins!
>
> My question: How do I insert a picture in a Tiddler so that I can see it? 
> And after synchronising I want to see this picture in the Tiddler on 
> Android too. 
>
> I did it with [img[file:///pathtomyfile/titleofthepictue.jpg]]. But I can 
> see only the symbol for a broken picture. I tried it with different 
> pictures. 
> I synchronise over TiddlyDrive to Google Drive. From there I start always 
> my Wiki. 
>
> Thankyou for your help! 
> Have a good day, 
> Bettina 
>
>

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[tw] Re: Inserting a picture in a Tiddler

[BurningTreeC]

does a relative path work?


like [img[../../picfolder/image.jpg]] - relative to the folder where your 
tw.html is?

Am Freitag, 15. Dezember 2017 11:03:57 UTC+1 schrieb Surya:
>
> Hello, 
> for the first a huge THANKYOU to the developers of TiddlyWiki and to the 
> developers of all the plugins!
>
> My question: How do I insert a picture in a Tiddler so that I can see it? 
> And after synchronising I want to see this picture in the Tiddler on 
> Android too. 
>
> I did it with [img[file:///pathtomyfile/titleofthepictue.jpg]]. But I can 
> see only the symbol for a broken picture. I tried it with different 
> pictures. 
> I synchronise over TiddlyDrive to Google Drive. From there I start always 
> my Wiki. 
>
> Thankyou for your help! 
> Have a good day, 
> Bettina 
>
>

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[tw] Re: muuri.js library useful? any Ideas how to use this?

[BurningTreeC]

UPDATE:

New: multitouch zooming on tiddlers. You can zoom single tiddlers in and 
out.

uses https://github.com/Popmotion/popmotion ...

This is just for playing and demonstration purposes. Like @TiddlyTweeter 
said, it would be great if something like this would be possible  without 
depending on many external libraries.

The implementation of the drag and zooming needs work - I'll get there 
with some js studying - I'm a newb going to be a newbie ;)

However, I'd like to know if you like it, if you think this should be 
something TW should be able to do - maybe it's already capable of doing 
this without big effort?

http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com


cheers, BurningTreeC

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2017 14:31:55 UTC+1 schrieb BurningTreeC:
>
> I was playing around with this library
>
> https://github.com/haltu/muuri
>
> ... got a grid working inside tw:  http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/ *   - 
> But honestly, I don't know what I'm doing*
>
>
> I think I did a great mess initializing this, I'm a noob in javascript and 
> tw widgets ...
>
>
>
> Do you have any Ideas how to use this in a sane way?
>

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[tw] Inserting a picture in a Tiddler

[TonyM]

Search in tiddlywiki.com for image you should find your answer. 

It's 1am here in Australia. I'll give a better answer tomorrow if no one helps 
you before then.

You can drag an image file into tiddlywiki and import it then reference it with 
a transclusion in a tiddler like this {{imagetiddlername}}

External images are a little more tricky.

Tony

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[tw] Re: I can't save to TiddlySpot anymore!

[morosanuae via TiddlyWiki]

Suddenly it started working again. I didn't do absolutely anything. 

I leave this issue open for the moment, maybe someone knows what's 
happening.

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[tw] Re: What if?

[PMario]

On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 11:57:20 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> First chorus: Your plugin is a full faultless CommonMark?
>

It uses the markdown-it library, which supports several MD variants. I did 
include config options for commonmark, gfm, and markdown-it native. 

-m

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[tw] Re: What if?

[PMario]

added video link to response. 

Video 4++: discusses dynamic table-like layouts 



-m 



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[tw] Re: What if?

[PMario]

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 12:46:33 AM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Practically WYSIWYIG is part of this.
>

*Different topic*. I want to discuss "What if " we include commonmark 
Markdown into TW. 

No discussion about WYSIWYG .. I personally thing it's broken, but that's 
not the thread to discuss this. 

-m

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[tw] Re: What if?

[PMario]

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 12:03:24 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
>
> My Point is that html markup is often more powerful when dealing with more 
> sophisticated objects such as tables and simplifies the creation process 
> because elements are more easily duplicated and there is rudimentary error 
> checking and structure, CSS insertion points etc..
>

html is supported perfectly well. tables like your example is relatively 
straight forward. ... but try to *dynamically nest* them, and you will feel 
the pain. 

With my - A script and todo manager workflow / UI experiment 
 video 
series, I did explore dynamic table-like layouts, using CSS-grid 
. I think a concept like this is much 
easier to create and manage.  With the experiment I did want to explore 
CSS-grid, the possibilities it provides ... and I wanted to see, how much 
"duplicated" code I produce to get it going. ... (Duplicated code let's you 
find out patterns, that can be optimized ... in a second step)


To me HTML is an essential skill and I see no harm choosing it when it 
> suits.
>

The whole TW UI is  build with dynamically created HTML. ... There is no 
harm at all.
 

> With all the talk of alternate markup/down I hope we do not compromise 
> TiddlyWikis direct relationship to the pervasive standards on the internet 
> such as HTML/CSS especially since that is how the tiddlywiki is rendered.
>
 
I don't intend to create the TW UI with markdown. ... TiddlyWiki as a 
chameleon. That makes it powerful on one side and rases the complexity on 
the other side. 

Implementing MD as a first class citicen, for the basic writing syntax, 
would imo lower the entry-level for new users quite a bit. 

Theoretically would most markdown standards have documented processes to 
> markup up and down to/from HTML? If this was the case could we take any 
> HTML and apply any markdown to it?
>

I think there is a misunderstanding here. 

Original markdown is a "wiki-syntax" for writing text 
TiddlyWiki syntax is a "wiki-syntax" for writing text 

Both systems take "plain text" and convert it to HTML, using predefined 
rules, so browser can render it. 

Those predefined rules define a: markup language

HTML means:  HyperText Markup Language 

eg: If we want to define something bold we use:

TW: ''bold text''
MD: **bold text**
HTML: bold text

The characters used to "mark" the enclosed text is 1 markup rule. ... "make 
it bold" ... many such rules define a markup-language 
 or markpu-syntax. There are 
many markup-languages out there. TW, MD and HTML are only 3 of them. 

TiddlyWiki and Markdown markup-syntax are designed to be human readable, *even 
for big junks of prose text*. 

HTML  was designed to display text 
on a computer display to make it human readable. ... Since it is text it is 
still readable by humans. But I don't want to read tables in HTML-text 
format. You need it to be rendered into something, that humans can read. 
 

> My idea is we could produce any content that you can see on the screen, 
> Wiki Text, HTML, and any that works in Tiddlywiki, it is then rendered in 
> HTML and then generate markdown texts that can then be transferred into 
> their own tools. 
>

> An Example is I would Create a chapter in TiddlyWiki using any method I 
> choose, Display it (HTML) then choose to generate Wiki media markdown which 
> I then save, copy or paste into Wiki Media. Perhaps we could harvest 
> content in HTML from anywhere, Save it in Tiddlywiki and generate 
> alternative markdown from it, even to its orignnal mark down.
>

So what you want here is: *Convert one format to any other format*. That's 
doable, but far away from simple. 

With my example: **bold text** it's simple to convert from one language 
into the other:  

   - Just replace MD ** with ''... and you have TW syntax .. super simple!
   - HTML needs  for the beginning and  for the end. ... 
   
So you can see, complexity goes up. 

Now lets say we want red *bold text*. ... boom!! ... Markdown has NO rules 
to define this, because MD primary goal is human readability!

TW and HTML have rules do deal with that. 
...BUT 
We have a fundamental problem now!

We will *lose information* if we want to convert bold 
text or ''@@.red bold text@@'' into Markdown. (I intentionally skip CSS 
here)

The all we have to do is translate any markdown to HTML and back to any 
> markdown. Which presumably is already done for most markdown formats.
>

I hope you can see that it's not that easy. ... because your "roundtrip" 
from MD to HTML and back to MD will fail for red *bold text*. ... 

There are solutions to deal with that, but I think there is already too 
much text :)

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Inserting a picture in a Tiddler

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hello, 
for the first a huge THANKYOU to the developers of TiddlyWiki and to the 
developers of all the plugins!

My question: How do I insert a picture in a Tiddler so that I can see it? And 
after synchronising I want to see this picture in the Tiddler on Android too. 

I did it with [img[file:///pathtomyfile/titleofthepictue.jpg]]. But I can see 
only the symbol for a broken picture. I tried it with different pictures. 
I synchronise over TiddlyDrive to Google Drive. From there I start always my 
Wiki. 

Thankyou for your help! 
Have a good day, 
Bettina 

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[tw] I can't save to TiddlySpot anymore!

[morosanuae]

Hello,

Is there a new problem with the TiddlySpot server? I can't save my edits 
online anymore. I didn't make changes for a couple of weeks so I don't know 
when the problem appeared.

I tried many variants: the old and the new Firefox browser, Chrome, The old 
(v5.1.14) and new (v5.1.15) TiddlyWiki. Nothing seems to work. The save 
button remains red all the time.

Does anyone knows what's going on and can post a quick response/solution? 

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