date:20181103

Thanks for sharing Greg

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Datebook or Journal for the new year

2018-11-03 Thread Greg Davis

With the coming of a new year I've extended the tabbed calendar. Since my 
source for holidays doesn't go past 2020, 2121 uses short quotes as an 
example. You can customize any by clicking the picture to open the 
corresponding tab for editing.

http://tabbed-calendar.tiddlyspot.com

Enjoy,
Greg

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

For new users

To me wherever we add the documentation, we need more info in referencing the 
current tiddler, most peoples answers involve literal references to tags and 
tiddler names, but if you want to copy wiki text to another tiddler, make a 
global macro or place it in the view template solutions need to refer to 
currentTiddler.

This was one of my biggest frustrations when first using tw5

Tony

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[tw5] listing related tags (not children or parents)

The first thing that comes to mind with your request is two nested lists, one 
to list the tiddlers, the inner to list tiddlers tags and do what you want for 
each of the listed tiddlers.

You need to close every list widget with  unlike the example at the end 
of your post.

What you ask can be done easily, it just takes adding the pieces together.

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[tw5] Re: need help with regex filter

In a recent reply of mine I proposed a toolbar button to excise text and 
references to a field in the current tiddler, perhaps not for daves text 
tiddlers, but goes a long way to being able to reference snipitt

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[tw5] Re: need help with regex filter

Dave,

Fyi

If you create a field in a text file to become a tiddler, and rather than use 
-mm-dd you enter a date of format 0mm0dd where zero means leading zero 
below 9. The resulting field can be formatted to a date with the view widget, 
the you can determin day of week, month of year etc...

Regards
Tony 

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[tw5] Re: need help with regex filter

There's no filter or widget that will currently split out the text that you 
find with a regular expression.

The PR #2963 I proposed would do that.

Jeremy has a concept for a <$match> widget that would find strings inside 
of strings. Unclear what the timeline for that is.

Another possibility might be to use the range filters and nested lists to 
generate all possible dates within a range. Then test for each possible 
date inside of the text, and, when found report the generated date and the 
tiddler that contained it.

If the dates inside the tiddler have a specific relationship to the text 
(e.g. Birthdates, appointment dates) then perhaps those dates should go 
into their own fields, which would make it unnecessary to do a regular 
expression process on the entire text. My understanding is that regular 
expressions are processor-heavy (though that makes more difference on a 
tablet then on a desk-top).

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On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>
> I'll tell you why I want this for context.
>
> With the new Bob edition of TW5 that allows instances on Android and PC 
> with tiddlers as files, I want to be able to (even when I don't have a 
> node.js instance running - e.g. on a computer where the tiddlers folder has 
> been shared  but I don't even have node installed) quickly create a text 
> note ("some note.tid") that I want to have a due date associated with it.  
> I was wanting to just add the "tag" something like ;;2018-11-03 or 
> ..2018-11-03 somewhere in the text (to be picked up later by the regex). 
>
> Having looked into it a bit, I see now that as long as I make a tid  file 
> with at least a "title: some note" at the first line, I can put "due: 
> 2018-11-03" on the  second line and it will automatically be picked up by 
> the BobTW as a tiddler with a field called "due"
>
>
> Just for interests sake however, I would like to know if it is possible to 
> get a list displayed of text like ";;2018-11-03" simply by finding it with 
> regex.
>

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

I would like to build and edit toolbar button to wrap a line with or without a 
link/reference to a tiddler that can be referenced from elsewhere.

I see no problem excising the text into a field of any name into that tiddler 
and leaving a text reference behind. A default fieldname ending in a number 
could be generated. We may also maintain a link in the text to ensure reference 
are generated back to the tiddler.

Basicaly we would then have a feature that allows subtext of a tiddler to be 
called on. With a little smarts we could have a search that finds all tiddlers 
that reference a tiddler, then searches excerpts in filds that contain that 
tiddler title.

These excerpts can be transcluded elsewhere by reference to the tiddler/field, 
even edited.

Any thoughts?

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Re: [tw5] Any way to include not full tiddler but only part of it.

Data and json tiddlers already break this paradigm.

Never the less I think the rule should stand, but rules can be broken, just 
dont leave a mess behind.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Show tagging/references as tag-pill

Seems interesting and related to the current thread:

http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#appear

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[tw5] Re: listing related tags (not children or parents)

It's a little hard to understand your use-case, but if I understand right, 
then this might do what you want:

<$set name="tag" value="tiddler1"> 
<$list filter="[tagtags[]] -[tag] -[]">




(that blank space in the middle is important, BTW).

The tag value gets set as a variable and then used in the filter. First it 
finds all the items tagged by "tiddler1", then all the tags of those items. 
Then it subtracts all the items tagged by "tiddler1" and the value of 
"tiddler1" itself.

HTH
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On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:17:52 PM UTC-7, haroulito wrote:
>
> Dear TW community,
> I am using TiddlyWiki a lot lately but I am a novice in terms of fiddling 
> with it. I am looking for a way to list related tags to a list of tiddlers 
> (returned by list filter, for instance). I've searched a few times but 
> can't find something and I'm wondering whether there is an easy way to 
> implement it.
>
> A simple scenario is given below:
> Let's say tiddler1 tags two other tiddlers (tiddler2 & tiddler3) and when 
> we run list filter it returns:
>
>- tiddler2 
>- tiddler3
>
> I then need to get the parent tiddlers of tiddler2 (i.e those tagging 
> tiddler2, as opposed to those tagged by tiddler2 which we can get with list 
> filter or toc-selective-expandable).
>
> I need to do the same for tiddler3, aggregate and list the results 
> (ideally with a count of the number of tiddlers tagged by each "related" 
> tag). This way I can see that tiddler2 which is tagged by tiddler1 is also 
> tagged by e.g. tiddler4. This helps to view how I can narrow down long 
> lists of results through the use of "related" tags.
>
> Another way to view this might be: for a given tiddler go one level down 
> in the toc tree, see if any of the branches intersect with other toc trees 
> and get all parents of the intersections.
>
> Any hints as to how to implement this? Apologies if a solution exists and 
> I haven't come across it. I just came across the filter/plugin by bimlas 
> but didn't have a chance to test it yet so not sure if it will tackle the 
> problem.
>
> Many thanks 
> haroulito
>
> p.s.1.
> I found the following code in 
> http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Conditional%20ViewTemplate%20Section which 
> might do part of the job but I cannot get it to work:
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[Project]]">
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]]"/>
>
> 
>
> p.s. 2
> This is my first post here and I have to say that Tiddlywiki is simply 
> amazing and the community is very helpful.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: listing related tags (not children or parents)

Welcome to the community!

I tried the code you wrote, but it did not work nor for me, so I modified 
it:

<$list filter="[tag[Project]tags[]]"/>

It collects all the tiddlers that have the "Project" tag and then collects 
their other tags.

If I understand you, you are actually interested in the tag intersections, 
thus you might find it useful:
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/#Filter%20by%20multiple%20tags%20easily%3A%20FilteredTag%20example

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

A quick responce to comments about what I said,

Thomas, I agree with plugins, but no harm putting them in a new user edition 
that is in peoples face rather than the first expierience being empty.

All my proposed content is about providing information for new users to jump 
common hurdles they are presented with and we should intentionaly link to 
tiddlywiki.com such the full information is only found by using search and 
lookups in the appropriate locations, not in the new user edition.

Some hurdles demand narative explanation of concepts which are implied but not 
described in tiddlywiki.com

To me new users beed help with to things

Being able to construct things themself right away

Gain insight to the possibilities of tiddlywiki that they can practicaly do.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: need help with regex filter

2018-11-03 Thread Dave

I'll tell you why I want this for context.

With the new Bob edition of TW5 that allows instances on Android and PC
with tiddlers as files, I want to be able to (even when I don't have a
node.js instance running - e.g. on a computer where the tiddlers folder has
been shared but I don't even have node installed) quickly create a text
note ("some note.tid") that I want to have a due date associated with it.
I was wanting to just add the "tag" something like ;;2018-11-03 or
..2018-11-03 somewhere in the text (to be picked up later by the regex).

Having looked into it a bit, I see now that as long as I make a tid file
with at least a "title: some note" at the first line, I can put "due:
2018-11-03" on the second line and it will automatically be picked up by
the BobTW as a tiddler with a field called "due"

Just for interests sake however, I would like to know if it is possible to
get a list displayed of text like ";;2018-11-03" simply by finding it with
regex.

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-03 Thread Lyn Headley

I'm a new user and just want to say the docs on tiddlywiki.com are really 
helpful. I'm a bit of a techie though...

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>
> I've been using TiddlyWiki for about 3 months, but I've seen the mailing 
> list many times, "Why is there a small number of Tiddly users, even though 
> it's better/more flexible than other wikis?" I think the main problem is 
> that new users feel lost in trying out https://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html
>
> When they write a new note, it appears in the Open sidebar, but as soon as 
> they are closing it, the note disappearing from the list, so they think 
> they have deleted their note, they do not know they can access it in the 
> Recent sidebar. 
>
> Let's assume that the user goes through the first barrier and finds that 
> he can find his notes using the Recent sidebar and the search box. He wants 
> to organize his notes in order to find them easier. Because he has used a 
> note-taking program before, so he thinks he can use tags. As a test, he 
> adds a tag to the note, then clicks on it and sees that the current note is 
> listed. He is happy about it, but he misses the list of tags because they 
> are not visible by default, he must look for it.
>
> Our man is very clever, he finds the Tools -> Tag Manager list and the 
> More -> Tags sidebar, so he can use the wiki quite effectively. He thinks 
> he wants to write a book from his notes, so he wants to sort them into a 
> hierarchical system (table of contents). Since he not finds option / help 
> in his own wiki, he must search the web for the answer. He finds the answer 
> on 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Adding%20a%20table%20of%20contents%20to%20the%20sidebar
>  
> and can create a table of contents, but faces the fact that TiddlyWiki has 
> to be "hacked" to reach its goals. If our man is a programmer / scientist, 
> he's probably glad that TiddlyWiki is very open to modification, but if he 
> is a simple user, then that fact can be scare of it.
>
> In my opinion, what is missing from TiddlyWiki is that navigation is more 
> like general wiki (by default):
>
> Sidebars to add:
>
>- Include a default table of contents
>- Show More -> Tags as a regular sidebar 
>
> Sidebars to remove:
>
>- Open is rarelly used in my opinion (at least among ordinary users)
>- Move "Tools" to the "More" sidebar (where Tags was)
>
> Finally, there would be as many sidebars as before, but they would come to 
> the fore, which an average user (came from another wiki) uses more.
>
> (Very much thanks to @TiddlyTweeter for mentioning the use of Google 
> Translate!)
>

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[tw5] listing related tags (not children or parents)

2018-11-03 Thread haroulito

Dear TW community,
I am using TiddlyWiki a lot lately but I am a novice in terms of fiddling
with it. I am looking for a way to list related tags to a list of tiddlers
(returned by list filter, for instance). I've searched a few times but
can't find something and I'm wondering whether there is an easy way to
implement it.

A simple scenario is given below:
Let's say tiddler1 tags two other tiddlers (tiddler2 & tiddler3) and when
we run list filter it returns:

- tiddler2
- tiddler3

I then need to get the parent tiddlers of tiddler2 (i.e those tagging
tiddler2, as opposed to those tagged by tiddler2 which we can get with list
filter or toc-selective-expandable).

I need to do the same for tiddler3, aggregate and list the results (ideally
with a count of the number of tiddlers tagged by each "related" tag). This
way I can see that tiddler2 which is tagged by tiddler1 is also tagged by
e.g. tiddler4. This helps to view how I can narrow down long lists of
results through the use of "related" tags.

Another way to view this might be: for a given tiddler go one level down in
the toc tree, see if any of the branches intersect with other toc trees and
get all parents of the intersections.

Any hints as to how to implement this? Apologies if a solution exists and I
haven't come across it. I just came across the filter/plugin by bimlas but
didn't have a chance to test it yet so not sure if it will tackle the
problem.

Many thanks
haroulito

p.s.1.
I found the following code in
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Conditional%20ViewTemplate%20Section which
might do part of the job but I cannot get it to work:

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[Project]]">

<$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]]"/>

p.s. 2
This is my first post here and I have to say that Tiddlywiki is simply
amazing and the community is very helpful.

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-03 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Just some thoughts: 

Instead of making a new edition, I think we should have a series of 
plugins, e.g.

   - TiddlyWiki QuickStart Guide
   - TiddlyWiki Filter Guide
   - TiddlyWiki Server Guide
   - ...
   - TiddlyWiki Glossary
   
Why plugins?

   - You can install them when you need them.
   - You can delete them when you are done learning.
   - Qualified authors can focus on their favorite topic, no 
   editor-in-chief is required.

The GettingStarted tiddler on tiddlywiki.com could then recommend to

   - download Empty edition
   - find a method to save (needs revision too)
   - check out Guide plugins

Maybe a Guide developer edition could be helpful to set a standard, 
including Tinka and macros for documentation.

Just my five cents. Have a nice Sunday!
Thomas

Am Samstag, 3. November 2018 21:35:32 UTC+1 schrieb bimlas:
>
> You're right.
>
> I have also forgotten Tobi Beer's descriptions, which would virtually 
> comply with community documentation.
>
> https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/
>

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

You're right.

I have also forgotten Tobi Beer's descriptions, which would virtually 
comply with community documentation.

https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/

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[tw5] Re: Update of Archipel : TiddlyWiki toc based on D3JS

2018-11-03 Thread AlexHough

Silverfox,

I really like it. 

What I would like is a feature TiddlyMap has: double click on the map and 
open the tiddler. 

I happen to know Jeremy is a big fan of the zoomable interface. I wonder .. 
how might this development fit into wider ambitions for ZUIs in TW

best wishes
Alex

On Friday, 2 November 2018 13:58:26 UTC, Silverfox wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Thanks for your comments,
> I imagine to be able to use different types of criteria to sort and graph 
> the tiddlers.
>
> I keep your comment in mind, even if my time to work on it is limited.
>
> Regards
> Silverfox
>
>
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 11:54:44 PM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Silverfox,
>>
>> This looks like a very powerful way to represent information. 
>>
>> Do you expect to have more labels/names appearing so navigation is not 
>> only visual?
>>
>> I would be interested if I can apply such a tool on top of my existing 
>> TiddlyWikis with various kinds of data, and would perhaps need to use field 
>> references rather than tag hierarchies. Please keep this in mind as you 
>> work on this.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this could really help visualising information 
>> knowledge.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Friday, 2 November 2018 01:54:36 UTC+11, Silverfox wrote:
>>>
>>> A quick mail to share my last update of "Archipel" which uses D3JS to 
>>> visualize the table of content of TiddlyWiki using different knowledge 
>>> maturity levels
>>>  
>>> http://archipel.tiddlyspot.com
>>>
>>> Do not hesitate to comment 
>>>
>>> Silverfox
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-03 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Erwan's aggregator IS functioning still, I think. The page says it last ran 
just a few hours ago.

The issue is probably (1) few people know it exists; (2) you have to sign 
up to get indexed and many don't sign up.

On Saturday, 3 November 2018 20:23:39 UTC+1, bimlas wrote:
>
> While browsing the TiddlyWiki Toolmap 
> , I found this: 
> http://erwanm.github.io/tw-community-search/
> This is almost what I imagined. Does anybody know anything about this 
> list? Why did the project die? It seems the last modification of May 14 
> 2017.
>

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[tw5] Re: Quick $:/tags/Stylesheet question

2018-11-03 Thread Eric Shulman

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 9:32:17 AM UTC-7, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I have the following tddler
>
> $:/Floatleft which contains 
>
> img
> {
> float: left;
> }
>
> Tagged as in the title and set as text/css but this seems to apply to all 
> img in the tiddlywiki, not just locally to tiddlers with @@.floatleft in 
> them. 
>
> What am I missing?
>

You need to define a custom CSS class named "floatleft" that has the rule 
for images within it... like this:

.floatleft img { float:left; }

Then, to apply the floatleft class to a tiddler containing an image, you 
can write

@@.floatleft [img[...]] @@


enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

While browsing the TiddlyWiki Toolmap 
, I found this: 
http://erwanm.github.io/tw-community-search/
This is almost what I imagined. Does anybody know anything about this list? 
Why did the project die? It seems the last modification of May 14 2017.

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?



On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-7, DemoniWaari wrote:
>
> *Mark S.*, 
>>
> Instead of excising to a separate tiddler, you could put the row into a 
>> field in your tiddler. Then other tiddlers could easily access that 
>> row/field ( {{Tiddler3!!importantstuff}} )
>>
>
> True. The problem is that I'd still have to give the field a name, which 
> means that I have to manually go to Tiddler3 and transclude the field. If I 
> need to each time go back to Tiddler3 I might as well just copy/paste the 
> entire row there! Though yes the editing would be a nightmare. In the end 
> I'd like to have a macro/whatever that I put *once* to Tiddler3, which 
> automatically gathers every row that has Tiddler3 mentioned. So I do not 
> have to touch Tiddler3 at all. I want to make everything as easy to use as 
> possible.
>
>
Not sure I follow you.

If you have a row in Tiddler3, called row1, then in Tiddler3 you can refer 
to it by {{!!row1}} and in some other tiddler by {{Tiddler3!!row3}}. If you 
ever need to change the contents of row3, you only need to do it in one 
location. 

-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: Quick $:/tags/Stylesheet question

That's hit the spot. 
The title I was referring was the title of the post ;)

Cheers for that. 

Ste

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[tw5] Re: Quick $:/tags/Stylesheet question

Not sure what you mean by "tagged as in the title". The title of the 
stylesheet tiddler can be anything.

The styles created in the stylesheet  will apply everywhere. In order to 
make them work only where you want, to have to make the selectors more 
specific.

So if you've tagged things as "FloatLeft" then your style sheet might need 
to look like:

[data-tags *="FloatLeft"] img
{
float: left;
}

The attribute selector used here is fairly new. There was another way to do 
this in the past. See 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20styles%20by%20data-tags for more details.

I might add that "float: left" seems to be a default, but that's another 
issue.

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 9:32:17 AM UTC-7, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I have the following tddler
>
> $:/Floatleft which contains 
>
> img
> {
> float: left;
> }
>
> Tagged as in the title and set as text/css but this seems to apply to all 
> img in the tiddlywiki, not just locally to tiddlers with @@.floatleft in 
> them. 
>
> What am I missing? 
>
> Thanks. 
> Ste
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

Sorry. Wrong button. Try again. 



{{!!equation}}



VariableDescriptionUnit
<$list filter="[list[!!vars]sort[title]]" >

<$transclude field="variablelatex"/>
<$link><$transclude field="title"/><$transclude 
field="unitlatex"/>



See stephenteacher.tiddlyspot.com/#Angular%20Acceleration to see an example. 

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

I have a template set up for equations where a variable automatically shows 
equations it's used it. 
Might be a start point. 

Filter code: 


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Re: [tw5] Any way to include not full tiddler but only part of it.

HERESY ;)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston

> I agree with you, but the pushback I got years ago when I brought it up was, 
> 
> TiddlyWiki is meant to be non-linear. Putting a TOC in the empty version goes 
> against the principles used in dreaming up TiddlyWiki. And it perhaps 
> promotes inflexibility in the user, as he or she might then be influenced 
> away from more non-linear uses.

Was that me? I don't recognise that logic, do you have a reference to the 
discussion?

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw5] Quick $:/tags/Stylesheet question

I have the following tddler

$:/Floatleft which contains 

img
{
float: left;
}

Tagged as in the title and set as text/css but this seems to apply to all img 
in the tiddlywiki, not just locally to tiddlers with @@.floatleft in them. 

What am I missing? 

Thanks. 
Ste

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

> TiddlyWiki is meant to be non-linear. Putting a TOC in the empty version 
goes against the principles used in dreaming up TiddlyWiki.

@David Gifford: Now I understand why there is no ToC in the blank version. 
The user is thus forced to think in non-linear notes and to use the search 
bar, such as https: //www.wikipedia.org. This is good on the one hand 
because it is new a way of thinking for the user, but if he does not likes 
this way, he will immediately stop knowing Tiddly.

> Perhaps there should be a new user edition

> My take would be that the documentation (most of your list) should stay 
on tiddlywiki.com, rather than a parallel scaled down version that has to 
be maintained separately.

@TonyM: I have to agree with @David Gifford: the documentation must be 
written in one place (at Tiddly's website), in the "quickstart" version 
only the appropriate links should be placed.

> In addition to better documentation, we should have a) an array of 
editions for various use cases and b) a library of one-function-only nearly 
empty tws that have one thing

I like the library of one-function-only solution, plugins are also 
available in this way. In the quickstart, perhaps these links could be 
placed instead of links to the descriptions, because users primarily want 
to use the program, not learn it.If they miss a function, they can search 
for a working solution from this list. Still thinking about this: this list 
could be a central place because if we put new elements into it, they will 
not appear in previously downloaded versions (even an idea: transclude this 
list, so it would look like a general tiddler).

> But if a few key players could commit themselves to devote 2-3 hours a 
month (or whatever) to evaluating and cleaning up documentation on 
tiddlywiki.com, that would go a long way.

+1, I think it would be a good thing, but not on tiddlywiki.com (see below).

> When you can spend an afternoon making documentation, and then have it 
ignored for more than a year ... well, I give up. I currently have 10 PR's 
outstanding. It is too frustrating.

@Mark S: Unfortunately, I know this feeling. I saw the same problem with 
Vim: the main developer is not always open to the user's involvement so 
users started working on an alternative project, NeoVim. One solution might 
be to further develop the official documentation in another location and 
add new descriptions to it, so it would not have to wait for Jeremy to 
approve it. The official documentation could include a link to this 
"community documentation".

Summing up my thoughts:

* The blank version should contain a list of one-function-only versions
* Create a copy of the central documentation (tiddlywiki.com), which we 
control ("community documentation")
* "Community documentation" could include different techniques and best 
practices (the reference pages would not be included, those can still be 
accessed at tiddlywiki.com)

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-03 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Mark S. I agree with all you wrote.

And I hear and see the frustration. In my own case, more observer than 
doer, I find the main Github very UNsatisfying to even read.

IMO, we are locked into a "two-men-and-one-dog" problem ... the demands 
seriously ahead of fulfillment from lack of workers. And the few people 
committed in it can't possibly keep up.

Regarding the OP ... I think its best thought of as part of some kind of 
strategic "outreach" someone interested needs do (enthusiast like TonyM?), 
rather than demand on a central system that can't cope. 

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 3 November 2018 15:17:10 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> There's a lot of good documentation on TiddlyWiki.com. It just doesn't 
> hang together in narrative form, and for some reason new users aren't 
> discovering the friendly write-ups about filters and such.
>
> Perhaps we could quiz new users about what they did and didn't find at TW 
> when they went looking for answers.
>
> As for fixing docs at TW, I feel that is hopeless with the current 
> situation. When you can spend an afternoon making documentation, and then 
> have it ignored for more than a year ... well, I give up. I currently have 
> 10 PR's outstanding. It is too frustrating.
>
> I've started on my own manual. I started it in Dynalist actually, but then 
> switched to org-mode because it has more authoring tools (bookmarks, 
> spell-check, etc.). But for a group-project it would need something like 
> DL. It's hard to maintain the enthusiasm because the user base is so small 
> -- you know, once someone learns something ... they're no longer a beginner!
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:29:58 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Just to be clear, what you are proposing is something inbetween 
>> empty.html and tiddlywiki.com? An edition for newbies that has 
>> introductory documentation and a few things preinstalled?
>>
>> My take would be that the documentation (most of your list) should stay 
>> on tiddlywiki.com, rather than a parallel scaled down version that has 
>> to be maintained separately. What is needed is to make a lot of the 
>> existing documentation more user friendly for soccer moms and busy office 
>> workers. The problem is that not everyone here can write in that way - they 
>> have been techies for too long, and an explanation that sounds abundantly 
>> clear to them - and is - is not clear at all for the rest of us. So they 
>> double down on explaining the abstract definition of a filter or widget, 
>> thinking that will help. Most of us couldn't care less about the 
>> definitions and the concepts. We just want to know what we might use it for 
>> and how to use it without destroying the Internet.
>>
>> I did some of the work - a number of the tiddlers at 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Working%20with%20TiddlyWiki back in 2014. And of 
>> course the toolmap and my earlier "TW for the rest of us" and TiddlyVault 
>> for classic TW. But I don't have time or knowhow to do much more nowadays.
>>
>> In addition to better documentation, we should have a) an array of 
>> editions for various use cases and b) a library of one-function-only nearly 
>> empty tws that have one thing - vertical tabs, a table of contents, etc - 
>> and instructions on how to install that one thing and modify it, both for 
>> mobile and for laptop. Then have links to these things on tiddlywiki.com 
>> and the toolmap or whatever is cooked up to replace it.
>>
>> One issue is that it is less glamorous - and feels like a step backwards 
>> -  for most TW regulars to spend time looking at the basic stuff we learned 
>> years ago in order to help others understand them. We would rather create 
>> new cutting edge stuff. For some, that means new plugins. For me that means 
>> new combinations of elements to create new workflows for my personal uses - 
>> notetaking, organizing my ideas, web publishing, and productivity. It is 
>> easy to feel we have too many important things to do at those levels, and 
>> that doing documentation would be a boring chore and a bad use of our time. 
>> But if a few key players could commit themselves to devote 2-3 hours a 
>> month (or whatever) to evaluating and cleaning up documentation on 
>> tiddlywiki.com, that would go a long way.
>>
>> okay that is my two cents for today. Blessings.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:03:42 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Perhaps there should be a new user edition, empty is "as pure as the 
>>> driven snow", and this is importiant for somewhat knowledgable users 
>>> wanting a fresh copy when they need it. But I agree with you and Bimlas. 
>>> Lets use this thread to build a list of things we would include in a new 
>>> user wiki and make such an addition.
>>>
>>> We could even create a button to create or delete these additions.
>>>
>>> Toc already installed
>>> A home page in the toc with a set of guidence tiddlers below (abouts and 
>>> high level how to

[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-03 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

I agree and disagree with most of you :-).

I'd say we don't need more burden on "Central Systems" to provide the kind 
of needed solution Bimlas in the OP points to. Which is real. But is 
getting it "core-ish" the right way?

I suspect the solution is more likely along the lines of TonyM, But a bit 
less complicated. I think he gets very right the central notion of "Wiki 
For Purpose" with instructions included for ITS PURPOSE.

In other words: the issue devolves to having a serious SHOWCASE of wiki 
made for narrower purposes than TW "in potentio".

TW empty is a "vorpal sword" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorpal_sword) 
where a newbie often won't have a clue how to activate the "vorpal" for 
their benefit... But a honed self-documented wiki for a SUB-MARKET, I'm 
sure it will, IF it can be got to that market.

Best wishes
Josiah



On Saturday, 3 November 2018 14:29:58 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Just to be clear, what you are proposing is something inbetween empty.html 
> and tiddlywiki.com? An edition for newbies that has introductory 
> documentation and a few things preinstalled?
>
> My take would be that the documentation (most of your list) should stay on 
> tiddlywiki.com, rather than a parallel scaled down version that has to be 
> maintained separately. What is needed is to make a lot of the existing 
> documentation more user friendly for soccer moms and busy office workers. 
> The problem is that not everyone here can write in that way - they have 
> been techies for too long, and an explanation that sounds abundantly clear 
> to them - and is - is not clear at all for the rest of us. So they double 
> down on explaining the abstract definition of a filter or widget, thinking 
> that will help. Most of us couldn't care less about the definitions and the 
> concepts. We just want to know what we might use it for and how to use it 
> without destroying the Internet.
>
> I did some of the work - a number of the tiddlers at 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Working%20with%20TiddlyWiki back in 2014. And of 
> course the toolmap and my earlier "TW for the rest of us" and TiddlyVault 
> for classic TW. But I don't have time or knowhow to do much more nowadays.
>
> In addition to better documentation, we should have a) an array of 
> editions for various use cases and b) a library of one-function-only nearly 
> empty tws that have one thing - vertical tabs, a table of contents, etc - 
> and instructions on how to install that one thing and modify it, both for 
> mobile and for laptop. Then have links to these things on tiddlywiki.com 
> and the toolmap or whatever is cooked up to replace it.
>
> One issue is that it is less glamorous - and feels like a step backwards 
> -  for most TW regulars to spend time looking at the basic stuff we learned 
> years ago in order to help others understand them. We would rather create 
> new cutting edge stuff. For some, that means new plugins. For me that means 
> new combinations of elements to create new workflows for my personal uses - 
> notetaking, organizing my ideas, web publishing, and productivity. It is 
> easy to feel we have too many important things to do at those levels, and 
> that doing documentation would be a boring chore and a bad use of our time. 
> But if a few key players could commit themselves to devote 2-3 hours a 
> month (or whatever) to evaluating and cleaning up documentation on 
> tiddlywiki.com, that would go a long way.
>
> okay that is my two cents for today. Blessings.
>
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:03:42 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Perhaps there should be a new user edition, empty is "as pure as the 
>> driven snow", and this is importiant for somewhat knowledgable users 
>> wanting a fresh copy when they need it. But I agree with you and Bimlas. 
>> Lets use this thread to build a list of things we would include in a new 
>> user wiki and make such an addition.
>>
>> We could even create a button to create or delete these additions.
>>
>> Toc already installed
>> A home page in the toc with a set of guidence tiddlers below (abouts and 
>> high level how to tiddlers) most will link to tiddlywiki.com tiddlers.
>> Eg;
>> How to create tiddlers or "content" in tiddlywiki
>> How to write in tiddlywiki markdown
>> How to connect tiddlers with tags eg new here
>> How to list tiddlers with the same 
>> How to backup your tiddlywiki
>> How to save your work
>> How to get or transfer content - tiddlers, bundles of tiddlers, plugins
>> tag(s)/combination of tags
>> How to find plugins via libraries, listings, search, googlegroups
>> How to get help (search tiddlywiki.com, see find below, search gg, ask 
>> gg)
>> How to find more learning resources
>> How to find more resources
>> How to make something appear on every tiddler
>> About filters (built in first then make your own) filter operators
>> About searching ( in sidebar, advanced search, search operator)
>> About editions (empty, new user, others your own)
>>

[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

There's a lot of good documentation on TiddlyWiki.com. It just doesn't hang 
together in narrative form, and for some reason new users aren't 
discovering the friendly write-ups about filters and such.

Perhaps we could quiz new users about what they did and didn't find at TW 
when they went looking for answers.

As for fixing docs at TW, I feel that is hopeless with the current 
situation. When you can spend an afternoon making documentation, and then 
have it ignored for more than a year ... well, I give up. I currently have 
10 PR's outstanding. It is too frustrating.

I've started on my own manual. I started it in Dynalist actually, but then 
switched to org-mode because it has more authoring tools (bookmarks, 
spell-check, etc.). But for a group-project it would need something like 
DL. It's hard to maintain the enthusiasm because the user base is so small 
-- you know, once someone learns something ... they're no longer a beginner!

-- Mark

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:29:58 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Just to be clear, what you are proposing is something inbetween empty.html 
> and tiddlywiki.com? An edition for newbies that has introductory 
> documentation and a few things preinstalled?
>
> My take would be that the documentation (most of your list) should stay on 
> tiddlywiki.com, rather than a parallel scaled down version that has to be 
> maintained separately. What is needed is to make a lot of the existing 
> documentation more user friendly for soccer moms and busy office workers. 
> The problem is that not everyone here can write in that way - they have 
> been techies for too long, and an explanation that sounds abundantly clear 
> to them - and is - is not clear at all for the rest of us. So they double 
> down on explaining the abstract definition of a filter or widget, thinking 
> that will help. Most of us couldn't care less about the definitions and the 
> concepts. We just want to know what we might use it for and how to use it 
> without destroying the Internet.
>
> I did some of the work - a number of the tiddlers at 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Working%20with%20TiddlyWiki back in 2014. And of 
> course the toolmap and my earlier "TW for the rest of us" and TiddlyVault 
> for classic TW. But I don't have time or knowhow to do much more nowadays.
>
> In addition to better documentation, we should have a) an array of 
> editions for various use cases and b) a library of one-function-only nearly 
> empty tws that have one thing - vertical tabs, a table of contents, etc - 
> and instructions on how to install that one thing and modify it, both for 
> mobile and for laptop. Then have links to these things on tiddlywiki.com 
> and the toolmap or whatever is cooked up to replace it.
>
> One issue is that it is less glamorous - and feels like a step backwards 
> -  for most TW regulars to spend time looking at the basic stuff we learned 
> years ago in order to help others understand them. We would rather create 
> new cutting edge stuff. For some, that means new plugins. For me that means 
> new combinations of elements to create new workflows for my personal uses - 
> notetaking, organizing my ideas, web publishing, and productivity. It is 
> easy to feel we have too many important things to do at those levels, and 
> that doing documentation would be a boring chore and a bad use of our time. 
> But if a few key players could commit themselves to devote 2-3 hours a 
> month (or whatever) to evaluating and cleaning up documentation on 
> tiddlywiki.com, that would go a long way.
>
> okay that is my two cents for today. Blessings.
>
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:03:42 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Perhaps there should be a new user edition, empty is "as pure as the 
>> driven snow", and this is importiant for somewhat knowledgable users 
>> wanting a fresh copy when they need it. But I agree with you and Bimlas. 
>> Lets use this thread to build a list of things we would include in a new 
>> user wiki and make such an addition.
>>
>> We could even create a button to create or delete these additions.
>>
>> Toc already installed
>> A home page in the toc with a set of guidence tiddlers below (abouts and 
>> high level how to tiddlers) most will link to tiddlywiki.com tiddlers.
>> Eg;
>> How to create tiddlers or "content" in tiddlywiki
>> How to write in tiddlywiki markdown
>> How to connect tiddlers with tags eg new here
>> How to list tiddlers with the same 
>> How to backup your tiddlywiki
>> How to save your work
>> How to get or transfer content - tiddlers, bundles of tiddlers, plugins
>> tag(s)/combination of tags
>> How to find plugins via libraries, listings, search, googlegroups
>> How to get help (search tiddlywiki.com, see find below, search gg, ask 
>> gg)
>> How to find more learning resources
>> How to find more resources
>> How to make something appear on every tiddler
>> About filters (built in first then make your own) filter operators
>>

[tw5] Re: How to display t the title of each tiddler below the contents when you translude bye tag?

Perhaps

<$list filter="[tag[#Power]]">
<$transclude mode="block"/> 

 <$view field="title"/> 
 

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-03 Thread David Gifford

Just to be clear, what you are proposing is something inbetween empty.html 
and tiddlywiki.com? An edition for newbies that has introductory 
documentation and a few things preinstalled?

My take would be that the documentation (most of your list) should stay on 
tiddlywiki.com, rather than a parallel scaled down version that has to be 
maintained separately. What is needed is to make a lot of the existing 
documentation more user friendly for soccer moms and busy office workers. 
The problem is that not everyone here can write in that way - they have 
been techies for too long, and an explanation that sounds abundantly clear 
to them - and is - is not clear at all for the rest of us. So they double 
down on explaining the abstract definition of a filter or widget, thinking 
that will help. Most of us couldn't care less about the definitions and the 
concepts. We just want to know what we might use it for and how to use it 
without destroying the Internet.

I did some of the work - a number of the tiddlers at 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Working%20with%20TiddlyWiki back in 2014. And of 
course the toolmap and my earlier "TW for the rest of us" and TiddlyVault 
for classic TW. But I don't have time or knowhow to do much more nowadays.

In addition to better documentation, we should have a) an array of editions 
for various use cases and b) a library of one-function-only nearly empty 
tws that have one thing - vertical tabs, a table of contents, etc - and 
instructions on how to install that one thing and modify it, both for 
mobile and for laptop. Then have links to these things on tiddlywiki.com 
and the toolmap or whatever is cooked up to replace it.

One issue is that it is less glamorous - and feels like a step backwards -  
for most TW regulars to spend time looking at the basic stuff we learned 
years ago in order to help others understand them. We would rather create 
new cutting edge stuff. For some, that means new plugins. For me that means 
new combinations of elements to create new workflows for my personal uses - 
notetaking, organizing my ideas, web publishing, and productivity. It is 
easy to feel we have too many important things to do at those levels, and 
that doing documentation would be a boring chore and a bad use of our time. 
But if a few key players could commit themselves to devote 2-3 hours a 
month (or whatever) to evaluating and cleaning up documentation on 
tiddlywiki.com, that would go a long way.

okay that is my two cents for today. Blessings.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:03:42 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Perhaps there should be a new user edition, empty is "as pure as the 
> driven snow", and this is importiant for somewhat knowledgable users 
> wanting a fresh copy when they need it. But I agree with you and Bimlas. 
> Lets use this thread to build a list of things we would include in a new 
> user wiki and make such an addition.
>
> We could even create a button to create or delete these additions.
>
> Toc already installed
> A home page in the toc with a set of guidence tiddlers below (abouts and 
> high level how to tiddlers) most will link to tiddlywiki.com tiddlers.
> Eg;
> How to create tiddlers or "content" in tiddlywiki
> How to write in tiddlywiki markdown
> How to connect tiddlers with tags eg new here
> How to list tiddlers with the same 
> How to backup your tiddlywiki
> How to save your work
> How to get or transfer content - tiddlers, bundles of tiddlers, plugins
> tag(s)/combination of tags
> How to find plugins via libraries, listings, search, googlegroups
> How to get help (search tiddlywiki.com, see find below, search gg, ask gg)
> How to find more learning resources
> How to find more resources
> How to make something appear on every tiddler
> About filters (built in first then make your own) filter operators
> About searching ( in sidebar, advanced search, search operator)
> About editions (empty, new user, others your own)
> About saving your work
> - default save
> - timimi
> - support plugins
> - get a server to save it for you from (file to http)
> About fields
> Glossary of terms common in tiddlywiki
> - file based or single file tiddlywiki
> - folder based wiki
> - transclusion
> - widgets
> - macros
> - plugins
> - bundles (of tiddlers)
> About mobile first
> About on your desktop
> About tiddlywiki as a platform
> About taas tiddlywiki as a service - tiddlyspot, noteself, maarfapad
> How to share tiddlywikis - file, taas, cloud, html, PHP server, nodejs, 
> tiddlyserver, bob
> How to view tiddlywiki files - browser (file/html), apps with browsers 
> built in - 
> Did you know?
> - you can change the editor/use external editors
>
> More?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: But the big question is . . . WHY migrate from Classic to 5?

2018-11-03 Thread Yakov

Hi Eric,

вторник, 30 октября 2018 г., 21:57:35 UTC+3 пользователь Eric Shulman 
написал:
>
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 10:20:03 AM UTC-7, MJM wrote:
>>
>> Exactly *WHY* should I upgrade or migrate from Classic to 5!
>> If I've been happily using Classic with no problems, is there any risk in 
>> sticking with it?  What exact benefits come with TiddlyWiki 5?
>>
>
> This is a very good question.  There's lots of different reasons, 
> depending upon your needs.  
>

Actually, I'd be really thankful, if you describe the main advantages in 
terms of architecture: on the one hand, because I need to sometimes decide 
whether I should invite somebody to use TWc or point to TW5 instead; and on 
the other hand, because I'm considering some architecture changes and 
learning the already-gathered experience would be really helpful.

If there's some text that covers the topic already, feel free to just 
provide a link.

Best regards,
Yakov.
 

> If you have, as you said, been using Classic  with no problems , 
> then there may not be any need to switch to TW5.  However, most people have 
> had problems with TWClassic because TiddlyWiki runs within the browser and 
> it's ability to save changes have been affected by browser technology over 
> the years.  Most significantly, nearly all modern browsers have become much 
> more cautious about security and privacy issues, and as a result, local 
> file I/O functions have been *removed* from most browsers.
>
> Although TW does have a default "download-to-save" function that is 
> supported by most browsers, the workflow it creates can be a bit confusing 
> and error-prone.  The alternative is to use some kind of browser-specific 
> add-ons or local applications that provide a run-time environment for TW to 
> access the needed file I/O functions.  Depending upon your syem setup and 
> your specific needs, installing one of these alternatives can be even more 
> confusing and error-prone.
>
> Another big hurdle to switching to TW5 is that the old TWClassic wiki 
> syntax is only marginally supported and NONE of the existing TWClassic 
> plugins will work in TW5.  Fortunately, TW5 provides a much more powerful 
> set of native "widgets" and "macros" that incorporate many of the features 
> that were previously provided by plugins in TWClassic.  Though it takes a 
> bit of effort to learn the new syntax and techniques (filters, lists, 
> transclusions, templates, etc.), switching to TW5 can be incredibly 
> rewarding.
>
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools.com: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm)
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>

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[tw5] How to display t the title of each tiddler below the contents when you translude bye tag?

2018-11-03 Thread Thomas Clark

Hey all,

As the title says, I want to transclude all  tiddlers of the 
"#Power"  and "#Powerbase" tags and include each individual 
tiddler's  tittle  below the transcluded content. Do you know how I might 
be able to rewrite the tiddler below to include such?.  
   


<$list filter="[tag[#Power]]">
<$transclude mode="block"/>


<$list filter="[tag[#Powerbase]]">
<$transclude mode="block"/>


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[tw5] Re: need help with regex filter

Dave,

The dates are typicaly held in fields in each tiddler eg created and modified. 
If your list widget is not using the variable parameter, the currentTiddler is 
set for each title found in the filter (inside the list widget), so you can 
refer to the the field as follows {{!!created}} but this returns the actual 
content, a date serial number. You can use the view widget, format=date or 
format=relativedate to format the date/time fields how you want. With 
format=date you need to provide the template format, eg template="-0MM-0DD".


EG

<$list filter="that generates a list of tiddlers">
{{!!title}} <$view field=created format=date template=" MMM"/> OR 
{{!!created}}


For someone used to using list-links you may want to replace {{!!title}} with 
the link widget <$
link to={{!!title}} tooltip="Custom tooltip">{{!!title}}

Above typed from memory not rested.

Ps search for the date fields not a regex form of date with has[fieldname]]

Tony


Regards
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[tw5] Re: need help with regex filter

Dave,

With all due respect, I advised you and others to move away from list-links 
macro to the <$list widget previously, it is much more customisable.

Just ask when you want more help because list and its filters is in my view the 
key to tiddlywiki.

Best wishes
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[tw5] Re: need help with regex filter

2018-11-03 Thread Dave

Ok, I have this other method going (not list-links)
<$set name="digit-pattern" value=";;[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2}">
<$list filter="[regexp:text]" variable="mydates">

<>


but I was expecting that this would list all the dates found, but it just 
lists the tiddler titles that have those dates.


Does anyone know how to return the actual dates found and not just the 
tiddler titles? (preferrably both, but one step at a time :)

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?