[tw5] Re: separating list results

2019-05-03 Thread Jon
... or once you've typed <$list filter="[tag[not read yet]sort[title]]">
hit the return key.

Regards
Jon
On Saturday, 4 May 2019 04:17:34 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> Quickest fix is like:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[not read yet]sort[title]]">
>
> 
>
> Notice that there is exactly one line space between the <$list> and 
>  tags. There's a long technical reason for this, which I can never 
> keep straight.
>
> The other easy way is to use a macro
>
> <>
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 7:19:14 PM UTC-7, Steve Douglas wrote:
>>
>> I'm still learning, and i have this list <$list filter="[tag[not read 
>> yet]sort[title]]">
>>
>> The results are all mashed together into a single line.  I want to 
>> separate them into separate lines.  
>>
>> How do i separate the results?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: separating list results

2019-05-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Quickest fix is like:

<$list filter="[tag[not read yet]sort[title]]">



Notice that there is exactly one line space between the <$list> and 
 tags. There's a long technical reason for this, which I can never 
keep straight.

The other easy way is to use a macro

<>

HTH
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On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 7:19:14 PM UTC-7, Steve Douglas wrote:
>
> I'm still learning, and i have this list <$list filter="[tag[not read 
> yet]sort[title]]">
>
> The results are all mashed together into a single line.  I want to 
> separate them into separate lines.  
>
> How do i separate the results?
>

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[tw5] separating list results

2019-05-03 Thread 'Steve Douglas' via TiddlyWiki
I'm still learning, and i have this list <$list filter="[tag[not read 
yet]sort[title]]">

The results are all mashed together into a single line.  I want to separate 
them into separate lines.  

How do i separate the results?

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[tw5] [OT] Fox Apocalypse Deux

2019-05-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
People (including one where I am) are reporting that their Firefox 
extensions are being disabled. This might be a temporary problem that 
resolves itself. As a safeguard, you might be
able to set

xpinstall.signatures.required

in the about:config menu to false

You would want to do this only temporarily since it poses a security risk 
for adding future extensions and updates.

This trick does not work in FF for Windows -- instead you need the nightly 
build.

Another trick being reported is to roll the clock back to before midnight, 
UTC-0, today 5/4 (I think, since strangely my machines aren't experiencing 
the problem yet).

Here's one commentary thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/bkfy5k/as_of_1200_am_utc_nearly_all_firefox_extensions/



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[tw5] Re: Play several songs consecutively

2019-05-03 Thread Xabriña
Hello bimlas.

Thanks for your instructions, I've tried it and it works !!!
In an html page I put the code and it works, but how do I get it to work on 
a tiddler ???

Best regards

El viernes, 3 de mayo de 2019, 14:41:39 (UTC+2), bimlas escribió:
>
> See https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/wS8m8rJ4EBM/2IqyY2s8HQAJ
>
> Because of its great potential, a reasonable solution should be found to 
> use Tiddly as a music player.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] BobEXE for testing, version 1.2.3

2019-05-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It's possible that Tony doesn't have that first post. The link was/is:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c2s22zy4oaal8wz/AACQ7GGEIDYyyKxZ2Q_iWuZba?dl=0 


@Tony -- I'll attempt to write offline. Sometimes my mail bounces, though.

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> As this thread is about the newest version of BobEXE, the link in the 
> first post of this thread brings you to the download for the newest BobEXE.
>
> Dropping another version of the plugin into a running instance of BobEXE 
> will probably cause inconsistent or undesired behaviour.
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[tw5] Re: [TOC] Table of Content - refactoring - ... again ;)

2019-05-03 Thread PMario
On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 12:13:58 PM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
... 

> Thanks for your responses. On the last item I am happy to use either 
> modified edit templates or view templates since the idea of an update 
> template is just a controlled or form based edit which is a non generic 
> tiddler edit mode allowing the designer to simplify and control the 
> elements to be edited by a user.
>

You are right. The existing EditTemplate is way to complicated for ordinary 
designers to be used as an example for a "simple" tiddler "form"... 
 

> If there is a way to use multiple edit views or templates I am yet to find 
> it, so please share.
>

The new "toc-tabbed-internal-nav" could be an example for a "tiddler-based" 
story, that allows us to generate simpler forms. 

Such a story needs 2 elements: 

 - A navigation section
 - A View / Edit section

The navigation section could be as simple as 2 links like: [[Tiddler 1]] 
[[Tiddler 2]]

The ViewTemplate could be as simple as: 

<>
<$transclude mode="block">

The EditTemplate ... depends on the use-case has to be done. 

We'd need to specify the "simplest" tiddler editor, that still makes 
sense.  

have fun!
mario


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[tw5] Re: Play several songs consecutively

2019-05-03 Thread bimlas
See https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/wS8m8rJ4EBM/2IqyY2s8HQAJ

Because of its great potential, a reasonable solution should be found to 
use Tiddly as a music player.

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[tw5] Markdown WikiLinks with spaces

2019-05-03 Thread Daniel Danilenko
Hello there!

It's very handy to have the tiddlers in the same format you use for text 
anywhere else. That's why I'm writing (most) tiddlers in Markdown. 

But I have an issue with WikiLinks, e.g. 

[Temple][T] 
>
> ... 

 

[T]: #Temple of Lolth 


...doesn't  work (and I couldn't find any variation on it that will). The 
inline syntax 

[Temple](#Temple of Lolth)


works fine, but it's rather unwieldy for me. Is there any way to make 
reference-style WikiLinks syntax work? 

(Also, please, add a tag for markdown)

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[tw5] Re: [TOC] Table of Content - refactoring - ... again ;)

2019-05-03 Thread TonyM
Mario

Thanks for your responses. On the last item I am happy to use either modified 
edit templates or view templates since the idea of an update template is just a 
controlled or form based edit which is a non generic tiddler edit mode allowing 
the designer to simplify and control the elements to be edited by a user.

If there is a way to use multiple edit views or templates I am yet to find it, 
so please share.

Thanks and great work
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Why do Startup Actions not work?

2019-05-03 Thread TonyM
Jeremy,

Thanks for that overview. If would be helpful if we had a list of what is valid 
in the existing start action tags.

I am keen to test and respond to content or the uri passed to tiddlywiki before 
the final loading of default tiddlers as I imagine a lot of users would, as 
opposed to the lower level screen size settings which are undoubtedly needed.

Perhaps we need another set of start actions at the very end of the startup 
process for higher level responses. I would expect these would be triggered 
just before default tiddlers are loaded, perhaps even allowing the default 
tiddlers to be changed. The key is acting before the user gets to act, a one 
time trigger, for automation.

I was hoping to be able to change tiddlers, trigger a wiki save, even a reload 
in cirtian circumstances or force a modal that must be responded to before 
completing startup. Of course a designer may cause an infinite loop but it is a 
risk that is needed.

Given tiddlywiki is a Quine some patterns will allow it to write to itself then 
call itself. With local storage, savers and the uri from full wikis or static 
tiddlers I think I can build a serial multi user system, a checkout system even 
on top of the single file wiki.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: [TOC] Table of Content - refactoring - ... again ;)

2019-05-03 Thread PMario
On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 2:36:59 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
...

> Thanks these improvements look great. 
>

Thx, 


>- Can we used the value of the "viewed tiddler" in other operations?
>
> Yes.

I did call it "focused-tiddler". It's a new field in the $:/HistoryList 
tiddler ... Changes to HistoryList activate the TW storyview 
"scroll-into-view" mechanism. 
 

>
>- ... like cause a popul if someone is looking at a specific tiddler?
>
> Should be doable. ... If an animation is active the mechanism uses the 
same delay that can be adjusted in the ControlPanel. eg: 400ms
 

>
>- I think in someways what you have done is to provide access to the 
>"active/visible tiddler" which new users often confuse with currentTiddler 
>and advanced users would like access to for other reasons.
>
> Yes. ... At the moment the "focused-tiddler" field is set, if a tiddler 
title position reaches the upper 25% of the visible window area. eg: var 
treshold = viewportHeight / 4;

At the moment the mechanism uses the default Story, which is ok for the 
"classic" story-view. ... It will fail with some experimental story-views 
eg: "Stacked" which can be selected at TW prerelease. The reason is: I 
think I would have needed to many changes in the core to make it work. ... 
So it would take ages to get it merged. :/


>- These would be very useful in conjunction with "Repopup, Volant, 
>Mentat". effectively allowing a number of stories to be managed and 
>visible at once on a dashboard.
>
>  
I don't know, how those plugins are implemented (Didn't have a look at the 
code). ... With the TW core 3 elements are involved to navigate the story. 

 - The navigator-widget, which sets the "story" and "history" parameters. 
- internally it also sets the "tv-history-list" and "tv-story-list" 
variables. 
- those variables are now used by the TOC macros, which is much more 
flexible now. 

 - the list-widget which is responsible to manipulate $:/StoryList - list 
field
- It defines "viewTemplate" and "editTemplate"
- The "storyview" is responsible for "animations" like: 
scroll-into-view, if a link is clicked and the tiddler is already open

 - story-view ... as written above is responsible for animations like 
- open tiddler animation
- close tiddler animation
- scroll into view ... 

If those 3 elements are used in the right way, then yes.  But I doubt 
that's the case. 



>- Could I suggest that just as you used the viewTemplate to iterate 
>tiddlers in an internal toc that we also provide the means define and use 
>other templates.
>
> yes ... That was just an example, that was easy to do. ... 
 

>
>- When you use the full view template to display the tiddlers within 
>an internal TOC we could also enable an Update template that allows a 
> given 
>tiddler to provide selected editable fields, form like, rather than the 
>classic editor. I think this easier to achieve inside an internal TOC but 
>Ultimately I would like to see this even in the main story river.
>
> I don't understand, why everyone wants to edit tiddlers with the 
ViewTemplate, instead of using EditTemplates. ViewTemplates are the wrong 
tool here. ... Even the name is wrong!

The edit mechanism is well tested and has no side effects. ... We can have 
a 100 different EditTemplates if we want and we should start to use them. 

No offence - just some thoughts ;)

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: RFC TiddlyWiki Bookcase - A new server/saver/manager for TiddlyWikis

2019-05-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Devin

Great stuff, thanks for sharing.

Just a reminder that if you send a PR with a docs update targeting the branch 
“tiddlywiki-com”  then it can be merged and published very quickly. In this 
case, it might be worth listing Bookcase under Community/Resources first, and 
getting a bit more feedback before adding it as one of the saving options 
listed in GettingStarted.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 2 May 2019, at 21:57, weaver.de...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, this is like TiddlyServer but when I looked into it I realized 
> TiddlyServer was way more complicated then I wanted it to be. In my version 
> the command-line closely matches the same well understood patterns you are 
> used to when running TiddlyWiki on its own on the command-line. I wanted the 
> experience to be the same. This also ahas far less features at the moment and 
> is designed to be for those who know enough about tiddlywiki to want a 
> launcher like system but don't want to really learn a large system like 
> TiddlyServer. I think of this as TiddlyWiki: beginner, TW-Bookcase: 
> intermediate, TiddlyServer: advanced
> 
> I updated the readme on github.
> 
> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 4:12:41 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
> This seems similar to TiddlyServer or Bob, which also consolidate on one 
> port. Being able to install it through npm could be very handy.
> 
> The "How to use" link didn't seem to go anywhere. 
> 
> There is an anomalous  link to "GutHub".
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 9:51:18 AM UTC-7, weave...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> Request For Comment
> 
> I wrote a Node.JS server which manages a set of Node.JS based TiddlyWiki 
> folders. Ut proxies the requests to the TiddlyWiki instance through Unix 
> Sockets so that there is only one internet port in use. It can create new 
> Wikis or import existing ones. It uses a TiddlyWiki as the front end 
> framework. This is essentially a TiddlyDesktop like system for serving 
> Node.JS versions of many TiddlyWikis.
> 
> I designed the command-line to follow the same conventions that the 
> tiddlywiki command-line uses. It is available as a global NPM package.
> 
> I was hoping to get some feedback / testers before I submitted it to the 
> TiddlyWiki.com documentation.
> 
> Source - https://github.com/sukima/tw-bookcase 
> 
> NPM Listing - https://www.npmjs.com/package/tw-bookcase 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Save directly Tiddlywiki 5 file to GitHub

2019-05-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Cameron

Can you show a screenshot of the control panel settings prior to clicking “save 
changes”?

It may also be worth precisely listing the steps you took so that I can try to 
duplicate your result.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 3 May 2019, at 00:36, cameronsaj...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
>   Thanks for reading my comment. I am actually using Chrome, and when I 
> follow along with the intended workflow it removes my github auth token and 
> also the save feature just downloads index.html in-browser. If you follow my 
> link or look at the attached image you can also see that all the styling and 
> formatting is messed up, I'm using empty.html downloaded from prerelease as 
> the basis and no nonstandard tiddlers are added. I understand this is 
> prerelease so I am not depending on it I was just excited to use tiddlywiki 
> in a  new way. I'm willing to provide more debugging information, but I am a 
> bit of a novice so I don't know where to start.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 4:10:30 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Cameron
> 
> Firstly, are you using Firefox? I think it doesn’t support XMLHttpRequests 
> from files loaded from a file:// URI. I used Chrome in most of my testing.
> 
> The intended workflow is to load the wiki via the 
> https://username.github.io/index.html  
> URI, and then save changes directly back to GitHub. The challenge is that 
> GitHub pages doesn’t update instantly, it takes a few minutes for a pushed 
> HTML file to be accessible. So, care has to be taken not to reload the wiki 
> from GitHub pages before the changes have been processed. To be cautious, one 
> might want to check the wiki in a separate tab to see when it has refreshed.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
>> On 2 May 2019, at 20:54, camero...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> I've been trying to get this working but I feel that I am missing something. 
>> i can get my repository to host to github pages but when I use my local 
>> browser to open the tiddlywiki (index.html) I've got in the git repo I then 
>> cannot save it. Is the workflow (once it works) to navigate to the file on 
>> your hard drive, make edits, save it then git commit, push, etc? Every time 
>> I try to make modifications they are either not saved because I used the 
>> hosted tiddlywiki at github.io  to try to make changes or 
>> I get a n XHMLHttpRequest error code: 409 if I try to edit the on-disk 
>> index.html in my browser and use the tiddlywiki save function. I note that I 
>> do have an earlier version of this index.html file being served in my github 
>> pages. What could I be missing?
>> 
>> On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 7:20:36 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>> Referring to: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3890 
>> 
>> 
>> And the nice https://github.com/38911BytesFree/TiddlyWiki 
>> 
>> 
>> To save Tiddlywiki directly to GitHub Pages, is it possible to 
>> 
>> Have GitHub Saver plugin? or
>> Update the current classic TW to TW5?
>> 
>> --Mohammad
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[tw5] [TW5] Responsive gone awry at 960px window width

2019-05-03 Thread Marc J. Cawood
I'm using TW in TiddlyDesktop (NWJS) and when I dock the window left or 
right (Windows Key + -> or <-) so that it takes half my screen width 
(1920px/2 = 960px) then only the sidebar is visible (s1.jpg).

That can't be right: surely the "river" is more important,

If I slightly widen my window  to 990 then the river appears (s2.jpg).

What's the mechanism/rule here and how can I control it?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Why do Startup Actions not work?

2019-05-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tony, Mark,

The reason that startup actions can’t trigger a modal is because the actions 
are run before the modal mechanism is initialised. We run the actions early so 
that they can be used to set parameters that are used further down the 
initialisation process (for example, the startup actions have to be very early 
to allow them to set the language or theme before they are initialised).

We could fix it by adding further variants of $:/tags/StartupActions that run 
at different points in the startup process. Perhaps we could use a field “when” 
to contain strings like “before-commands” or “after-load-modules” (referring 
the names of the existing startup modules). I think it would require us to move 
the $:/tags/StartupActions processing into the boot kernel, which is not ideal 
as it’s already getting pretty large.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 3 May 2019, at 05:37, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Thanks, Going from button message to action send message, you do need to use 
> the $, However I use the below form and it works in a button but not in a 
> tiddler tagged startup actions.
> 
> <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-modal" $param="Username Modal"/> 
> Action send
> 
> Almost all the $:/tags/StartupAction examples use a reveal widget, but even 
> putting it within this makes no difference.
> 
> I am looking for any method, in the startup actions that can stop the user 
> proceeding without taking an action.
> 
> Are their any alternatives to modals?
> 
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 2:04:51 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
> This won't fix your problem, but based on the examples it should be $param 
> (with a dollar sign).
> 
> I'm thinking that the action widget doesn't work with tm-modal, possibly 
> because the remaining part of the start-up closes out the modal before it 
> even displays. I guess you need a "action-at-end-of-startup" tag. But that's 
> just a guess.
> 
> -- Mark
> 
> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I have a tiddler tagged $:/tags/StartupAction containing 
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-modal" param="Username Modal"/>
> 
> Can anyone tell me why I am not presented with the popup modal when I reload 
> the wiki?
> 
> I would have thought this would work, but it clearly does not.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] BobEXE for testing, version 1.2.3

2019-05-03 Thread inmysocks
As this thread is about the newest version of BobEXE, the link in the first 
post of this thread brings you to the download for the newest BobEXE.

Dropping another version of the plugin into a running instance of BobEXE 
will probably cause inconsistent or undesired behaviour.

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