[tw5] Re: How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

[Mohammad]

This is quite easy but the way you tackle the problem seems not inline with 
TW!

See examples here

http://tw-regexp.tiddlyspot.com/#RegExp%20Experimentation%20with%20Created%20Field


Note that, TW used created and modified field where you see when your 
tiddler created or modified!

Good luck


Here's what I've been trying to do: 
>
> [image: 20-09-_2019_00-07-12.png]
>
> I want: 
> *tiddlers created [01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019[*
>
> Is this possible? 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Hitting a barrier at 36,000 tiddlers

[Mohammad]

TW-Scripts has 4000+ tiddlers including all shadow tiddlers.
I am on 5.1.21, Firefox 69, Win 10

I see noticeable response time comparing to empty.html

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On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:49:37 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> My project may have been over ambitious. But I thought there were going to 
> be some 
> improvements in 5.1.20+ that would allow for larger TW files. I currently 
> have a TW file
> with about 36,000 short dictionary definitions. Each tiddler consists only 
> of a title
> and a field, EN, with usually only 3 or four words in it. The overall size 
> is only 10 megs.
>
> Overall, the performance is impracticably slow. Ten seconds to open a 
> tiddler. 20 seconds or more
> to do a simple search box search. As much as 25 seconds or more to close 
> out tiddlers that
> need to render a custom search. In most cases, you have to type blind 
> because the
> keystroke refresh is also incredibly slow.
>
> I'm wondering if the performance improvements actually made it into the 
> core, or if
> my expectations were too high. Actually, the performance noticeably 
> declined
> after the first 12,000 entries. 
>
> At the moment it seems like I need to start over, using a data dictionary 
> instead of
> tiddlers for storage. 
>
> Firefox, Windows 7, TW 5.1.21
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>

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[tw5] Re: Hitting a barrier at 36,000 tiddlers

[TonyM]

Post Script

If you a doing word searches, ie words as tiddler titles, not words in 
phrases or in the test fields changing the search not to look only in 
titles (not in text) or even search first by prefix could improve search 
outcomes a lot.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:28:26 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> To fully address your experience consider if you can show or share the 
> wiki. Alternativy share some test data of an equivalent size. Also consider 
> it from a "what must it render perspective". If for example the tiddlers 
> were all listed in the table of contents and this is displayed in the 
> sidebar this will refresh every change that may effect that toc list. Hide 
> the side bar and see if its the same.
>
> I had 12Mb files working well in TiddlyWiki Classic, so it should be good 
> in TW5
>
> In an App I built there was a considerable difference with 5.1.20 however 
> be warned there was an accidental leaving on of "Performance 
> instrumentation", see Control Panel > Settings > Performance 
> instrumentation - uncheck save and reload.
>
> Also a normal search that is activated for any three letter combination 
> and lists the result below may just be inappropriate for such an 
> application. Perhaps you need a enter search criteria then hit a search 
> button, which renders the results in a list, rather than an instant 
> response popup/list. 
>
> There is also a little gotcha with browser memory. Try with nothing else 
> open by or in a tab of the browser and see if it improves, this will give 
> us a clue to its bottle necks. Browsers also have a maximum memory usage 
> set so they do not overpower the device/computer but this is often a fixed 
> value, when you mostly work in the browser there is value making more ram 
> available to the browser especially if you have 8-16GB available.
>
> The more you share the more we can help.
>
> Regards
> Tony
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 2:19:37 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> My project may have been over ambitious. But I thought there were going 
>> to be some 
>> improvements in 5.1.20+ that would allow for larger TW files. I currently 
>> have a TW file
>> with about 36,000 short dictionary definitions. Each tiddler consists 
>> only of a title
>> and a field, EN, with usually only 3 or four words in it. The overall 
>> size is only 10 megs.
>>
>> Overall, the performance is impracticably slow. Ten seconds to open a 
>> tiddler. 20 seconds or more
>> to do a simple search box search. As much as 25 seconds or more to close 
>> out tiddlers that
>> need to render a custom search. In most cases, you have to type blind 
>> because the
>> keystroke refresh is also incredibly slow.
>>
>> I'm wondering if the performance improvements actually made it into the 
>> core, or if
>> my expectations were too high. Actually, the performance noticeably 
>> declined
>> after the first 12,000 entries. 
>>
>> At the moment it seems like I need to start over, using a data dictionary 
>> instead of
>> tiddlers for storage. 
>>
>> Firefox, Windows 7, TW 5.1.21
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Hitting a barrier at 36,000 tiddlers

[TonyM]

Mark,

To fully address your experience consider if you can show or share the 
wiki. Alternativy share some test data of an equivalent size. Also consider 
it from a "what must it render perspective". If for example the tiddlers 
were all listed in the table of contents and this is displayed in the 
sidebar this will refresh every change that may effect that toc list. Hide 
the side bar and see if its the same.

I had 12Mb files working well in TiddlyWiki Classic, so it should be good 
in TW5

In an App I built there was a considerable difference with 5.1.20 however 
be warned there was an accidental leaving on of "Performance 
instrumentation", see Control Panel > Settings > Performance 
instrumentation - uncheck save and reload.

Also a normal search that is activated for any three letter combination and 
lists the result below may just be inappropriate for such an application. 
Perhaps you need a enter search criteria then hit a search button, which 
renders the results in a list, rather than an instant response popup/list. 

There is also a little gotcha with browser memory. Try with nothing else 
open by or in a tab of the browser and see if it improves, this will give 
us a clue to its bottle necks. Browsers also have a maximum memory usage 
set so they do not overpower the device/computer but this is often a fixed 
value, when you mostly work in the browser there is value making more ram 
available to the browser especially if you have 8-16GB available.

The more you share the more we can help.

Regards
Tony
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 2:19:37 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> My project may have been over ambitious. But I thought there were going to 
> be some 
> improvements in 5.1.20+ that would allow for larger TW files. I currently 
> have a TW file
> with about 36,000 short dictionary definitions. Each tiddler consists only 
> of a title
> and a field, EN, with usually only 3 or four words in it. The overall size 
> is only 10 megs.
>
> Overall, the performance is impracticably slow. Ten seconds to open a 
> tiddler. 20 seconds or more
> to do a simple search box search. As much as 25 seconds or more to close 
> out tiddlers that
> need to render a custom search. In most cases, you have to type blind 
> because the
> keystroke refresh is also incredibly slow.
>
> I'm wondering if the performance improvements actually made it into the 
> core, or if
> my expectations were too high. Actually, the performance noticeably 
> declined
> after the first 12,000 entries. 
>
> At the moment it seems like I need to start over, using a data dictionary 
> instead of
> tiddlers for storage. 
>
> Firefox, Windows 7, TW 5.1.21
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>

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[tw5] Re: How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

[Mat]

Here's a cheat that can be copy pasted. I have no idea how these characters 
show in different browsers but in mine they're variants of square brackets

⦏ ⦎ 
⁅ ⁆
⟦ ⟧
⦋ ⦌

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It looks like it's around 1000. 

You could try disabling the relink plugin while in Chrome and then see if 
you can use your TW better in IE 11.
The relink plugin is interesting, but you probably don't need to change 
linked tiddler names that often.

FWIW, firefox reports that googlegroups.com (used to host your image file) 
is a deceptive website. 

Good luck!

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:13:49 PM UTC-7, CJ Veniot wrote:
>
> Oh boy, good question.  I'm still pretty new to TiddlyWiki.  I've got to 
> figure out how to get a tiddler count.
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:07:46 PM UTC-3, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> It kind of looks like the relink plugin is causing problems there.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, how many entries do you have in your Lexicon?
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:03:37 PM UTC-7, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>>
>>> Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two different 
>>> PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all the open 
>>> tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; same 
>>> thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).
>>>
>>> (error screenshot attached)
>>>
>>> I never get that problem with my Chromebook.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any idea what's going on there?
>>>
>>> Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Hitting a barrier at 36,000 tiddlers

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

My project may have been over ambitious. But I thought there were going to 
be some 
improvements in 5.1.20+ that would allow for larger TW files. I currently 
have a TW file
with about 36,000 short dictionary definitions. Each tiddler consists only 
of a title
and a field, EN, with usually only 3 or four words in it. The overall size 
is only 10 megs.

Overall, the performance is impracticably slow. Ten seconds to open a 
tiddler. 20 seconds or more
to do a simple search box search. As much as 25 seconds or more to close 
out tiddlers that
need to render a custom search. In most cases, you have to type blind 
because the
keystroke refresh is also incredibly slow.

I'm wondering if the performance improvements actually made it into the 
core, or if
my expectations were too high. Actually, the performance noticeably declined
after the first 12,000 entries. 

At the moment it seems like I need to start over, using a data dictionary 
instead of
tiddlers for storage. 

Firefox, Windows 7, TW 5.1.21

Thanks!
Mark

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[tw5] Re: How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

[TonyM]

Unless you has a really good reason don't hack $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title

Regards
Tony

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:29:13 PM UTC+10, Cd.K wrote:
>
> TonyM
>
> It means: 
> tiddlers created: *inclusive *01.09.2019 - 15.09.2019 *exclusive *
>
> It is simply a mathematical notation of range boundaries. 
>
> Thanks for the hint 
>
>> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title
>
>
> Regards 
> Cd.K
>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 4:10:53 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Cd.K
>>
>> Well with Respect, you do want to do something it is telling you not to. 
>> Avoid using [ ] in tiddler titles.
>>
>>- Why are you doing this? 
>>- Is there something unstated here you want to do?
>>- Surly it not just a preference for [ ]?
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

TonyM

It means: 
tiddlers created: *inclusive *01.09.2019 - 15.09.2019 *exclusive *

It is simply a mathematical notation of range boundaries. 

Thsnks for the hint 

> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title


Regards 
Cd.K


On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 4:10:53 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Cd.K
>
> Well with Respect, you do want to do something it is telling you not to. 
> Avoid using [ ] in tiddler titles.
>
>- Why are you doing this? 
>- Is there something unstated here you want to do?
>- Surly it not just a preference for [ ]?
>
>
> Try ( ) instead. Or place in the tiddler
> tiddlers created [01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019]
>
> or use the titletiddlers created: 01.09.2019 - 15.09.2019
> There are possibilities to make it look as you desire, you could hack the 
> way and what is displayed in $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title
>
> However, Let's return to the real problem you are trying to solve before 
> you adopt exceptional solutions.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:37:11 AM UTC+10, Cd.K wrote:
>>
>> TonyM
>>
>> My request is because of this "bad-chars" warning:
>>
>> [image: 20-09-_2019_03-34-02.png]
>>
>> I only want to be able to have [ ] chars in a tiddler title. 
>>
>> Regards 
>> Cd.K
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 2:05:25 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Cd.K
>>>
>>> I am not exactly sure of your request however I will assume you want to 
>>> list tiddlers with a created date between 
>>> *01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019*
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

[TonyM]

Cd.K

Well with Respect, you do want to do something it is telling you not to. 
Avoid using [ ] in tiddler titles.

   - Why are you doing this? 
   - Is there something unstated here you want to do?
   - Surly it not just a preference for [ ]?


Try ( ) instead. Or place in the tiddler
tiddlers created [01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019]

or use the titletiddlers created: 01.09.2019 - 15.09.2019
There are possibilities to make it look as you desire, you could hack the 
way and what is displayed in $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title

However, Let's return to the real problem you are trying to solve before 
you adopt exceptional solutions.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:37:11 AM UTC+10, Cd.K wrote:
>
> TonyM
>
> My request is because of this "bad-chars" warning:
>
> [image: 20-09-_2019_03-34-02.png]
>
> I only want to be able to have [ ] chars in a tiddler title. 
>
> Regards 
> Cd.K
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 2:05:25 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Cd.K
>>
>> I am not exactly sure of your request however I will assume you want to 
>> list tiddlers with a created date between 
>> *01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019*
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

TonyM

My request is because of this "bad-chars" warning:

[image: 20-09-_2019_03-34-02.png]

I only want to be able to have [ ] chars in a tiddler title. 

Regards 
Cd.K



On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 2:05:25 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Cd.K
>
> I am not exactly sure of your request however I will assume you want to 
> list tiddlers with a created date between 
> *01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019*
>
> When you transclude the created and modified dates like this 
> {{!!created}}
> Tiddlywiki intervieins to display it in a data format.
>
> However it is contained within the hidden created field, according to this 
> format https://tiddlywiki.com/#Date%20Fields
>
> You can see this using 
> <$text text={{!!created}}/>
> eg
> 20190919063745877
>
> So since the values in a date go from most significant years, to least 
> significant milliseconds it is a number that can be used for comparisons.
> Yes there are numbers that are not valid like the 99th of a month but they 
> remain in sequence.
>
> So in your example you need only test if the prefix MMDD is between 
> 20190901 and 20190915
>
> The reveal widget contains a test for greater than and less than.
>
> However in your example you also have a range that could be expressed with 
> the days[-14] operator on the 20190915 second date or days[+14] on the 
> first.
>
> I will leave the balance of this issue to you or another contributor.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:28:34 AM UTC+10, Cd.K wrote:
>>
>> Here's what I've been trying to do: 
>>
>> [image: 20-09-_2019_00-07-12.png]
>>
>> I want: 
>> *tiddlers created [01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019[*
>>
>> Is this possible? 
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

[CJ Veniot]

Oh boy, good question.  I'm still pretty new to TiddlyWiki.  I've got to 
figure out how to get a tiddler count.


On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:07:46 PM UTC-3, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It kind of looks like the relink plugin is causing problems there.
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many entries do you have in your Lexicon?
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:03:37 PM UTC-7, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 
>> 
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two different 
>> PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all the open 
>> tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; same 
>> thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).
>>
>> (error screenshot attached)
>>
>> I never get that problem with my Chromebook.
>>
>> Anybody have any idea what's going on there?
>>
>> Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It kind of looks like the relink plugin is causing problems there.

Just out of curiosity, how many entries do you have in your Lexicon?


On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:03:37 PM UTC-7, CJ Veniot wrote:
>
> Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 
> 
>
> Hello,
>
> When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two different 
> PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all the open 
> tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; same 
> thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).
>
> (error screenshot attached)
>
> I never get that problem with my Chromebook.
>
> Anybody have any idea what's going on there?
>
> Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !
>

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[tw5] Re: I cannot delete a reocurring tiddler

[TonyM]

David,

Glad you have it. It is possible to turn off this automatic link process if 
you must, 

   - The first option in Control Panel > Settings.
   - However I would not do this as it is a key feature of wikis. 
   - Perhaps you could turn it off only before publishing your wiki to 
   others?.


As I said "~" stops camel case turning into a link, but its easy to avoid 
camel case
for example;

Naka Tatsu
Naka-Tatsu
Nakatatsu
Naka,Tatsu

And if you want a link after having avoided it

[[Naka-Tatsu]]


Regards
Tony
On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 7:34:15 PM UTC+10, David Ultsfa wrote:
>
> Hi TonyM, it seems this fixed the problem! Thank you all 3 so much!!! :) ^^
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:28:22 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> What Jed and Mohammad are saying camelCase text is automatically made 
>> into a link. Proceed with ~camelCase or desperate the words to stop.
>>
>> You may need to give us a better example of you problem text.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[TonyM]

I only have a *little time* available in coming weeks, but are keen to 
proceed.

*My carefully considered response to this thread.*

I think there is furious agreement what must be done, and there will always 
be differences on how. Because the how is difficult to answer, enthusiastic 
contributors build their own "repositories" and unfortunately get left to 
administer them on their own. Separate repositories means people have to 
look for them or visit each to acquire the information they need and they 
are at the behest of the repository designer for the value of search and 
indexing provided in that repository. These repositories are very valuable 
but they remain a little isolated.

Owners of such private repositories need to be squirrels collecting 
relevant info that fits the scope of the repositories often unstated 
purpose. Some community members will suggest suitable information however 
it is usually the owners responsibility to collect the "nuts". When an 
owner has less time the nuts grow old and some go off and the repository 
looses some value. The prospect of bringing it up to date feels like a 
chore, and if you have no idea of its value to others and the number of 
visitors it could be hard to build motivation to revisit it.

We could all dream of an ultimate repository of all things tiddlywiki but 
is it even achievable?, if it is it will only be in time and participation. 
The best way to start is build a hybrid environment of centralised records 
that document the decentralised records. This environment need the 
following qualities as its key features;

   - Easy for anyone to contribute to
   - A structure that forces curation, organization on contributions so as 
   to extract maximum value from the least effort and avoid admin overheads
   - Easy to reference external resources
   - The ability to discuss and contribute to the material on the site
   - An opportunity to leverage tiddlywiki as much as possible
   - Ability to build a team of enthusiasts to maintain and grow the 
   community resources.


Like any smart project the best effort should be expended up front to 
structure the solution effectively, rather than on an ad hoc basis. The 
danger of ad hoc which we are all familiar is fragments, overlapping 
material, gaps and duplications, and perhaps worst of all confusion and 
fragmentation. 

In fact tiddlywiki itself could inspire this fragmentation because it has 
many object, and components within it. 

The only solution in my view is using an analysis process to determine the 
pieces we want to collect together as a community and synthesis to build a 
unified view of the pieces. The solution needs to keep this modularisation 
from the analysis process alive so contributions can be made by the 
community at any level. A small configuration detail, a code fragment 
through to plugins and whole wiki editions. The solution will bring 
together all the pieces in a consistent browsable and searchable whole, 
however as it evolves it will be pointing to many external resources so the 
ability to provide excerpts or keywords against external resources should 
make those resources more findable.

In time enthusiasts will most likely migrate these external resources into 
the central community resource where others can help maintain it and add 
value. The beauty of tiddlywiki will also allow people to download and 
export content as needed.
 
I will proceed given sufficient support and acknowledgement!

What do I need Initially?, 

   - sufficient support and acknowledgement!
   - A degree of authority to proceed and run with my design strategy
  - Of course I always remain open to criticism and alternative 
  perspectives, but I will not let it cripple the process
  - This is evolution not revolution
   
I would like people with one or more of the following!

   - Those with Knowledge and Information management skills
   - Database design and management skills
   - Strong User interface skills
   - Lived experience with tiddlywiki 
   - Some enthusiastic reviewers and contributors
   - Team or collaboration experts

We also need a set of collaboration tools, we can pick from available ones, 
no need for permanent solutions.

Your thoughts?
Your support?

If you want to know more about HOW I plan to do this, if what I have said 
in my posts in this thread is not enough join the team.

Regards
Tony

Regards
Tony

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 4:53:25 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Example of high quality documentation prepared by community (procedure and 
> how to)
>
> https://devguide.python.org/docquality/
>
>
> I think Tiddlywiki itself is best for nonlinear documentation while 
> learning should be somehow linear a trail is needed
> So, the vanilla edition is not good for documentation, may be something 
> like Sphinx or a TW edition with some linearity
> like the trail you see on TW-Scripts or similar ...
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

[TonyM]

Cd.K

I am not exactly sure of your request however I will assume you want to 
list tiddlers with a created date between 
*01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019*

When you transclude the created and modified dates like this 
{{!!created}}
Tiddlywiki intervieins to display it in a data format.

However it is contained within the hidden created field, according to this 
format https://tiddlywiki.com/#Date%20Fields

You can see this using 
<$text text={{!!created}}/>
eg
20190919063745877

So since the values in a date go from most significant years, to least 
significant milliseconds it is a number that can be used for comparisons.
Yes there are numbers that are not valid like the 99th of a month but they 
remain in sequence.

So in your example you need only test if the prefix MMDD is between 
20190901 and 20190915

The reveal widget contains a test for greater than and less than.

However in your example you also have a range that could be expressed with 
the days[-14] operator on the 20190915 second date or days[+14] on the 
first.

I will leave the balance of this issue to you or another contributor.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:28:34 AM UTC+10, Cd.K wrote:
>
> Here's what I've been trying to do: 
>
> [image: 20-09-_2019_00-07-12.png]
>
> I want: 
> *tiddlers created [01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019[*
>
> Is this possible? 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

[CJ Veniot]

Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 


Hello,

When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two different 
PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all the open 
tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; same 
thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).

(error screenshot attached)

I never get that problem with my Chromebook.

Anybody have any idea what's going on there?

Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !

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[tw5] Discussion: Advantages and disadvantages of an own TiddlyWiki, i.e. TW StackExchange site for documentation of questions and solutions (not discussions!)

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

PROS

   - faster finding of information
   - Clearer presentation of information
   


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[tw5] How to render [ ] in Tiddler title?

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

Here's what I've been trying to do: 

[image: 20-09-_2019_00-07-12.png]

I want: 
*tiddlers created [01.09.2019 to 15.09.2019[*

Is this possible? 


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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

coda coder

I think we're talking at cross purposes.

I want this regexpr:created as a condition in Tools / Advanced Search / 
Filter. 

[image: 20-09-_2019_00-14-09.png]

Exactly at this point I would like to extend the Advanced Search Filter by 
the restriction from day 01 inclusive to day 15 exclusive.



On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:04:52 AM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>
> Sorry, I should have mentioned, it needs to be a macro. 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros%20in%20WikiText
>
> At the top of your tiddler:
>
> \define my-macro() 
>
> <$set name=pattern value="201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])">
> <$list filter="[regexp:created]">
>
> 
> 
> \end
>
>
>
> Then, somewhere lower down (below all other macros if you have more than 
> one) ...
>
> <>
>
> You can rename my-macro to anything that suits you: date-thing, if you 
> want.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

Sorry, I should have mentioned, it needs to be a macro. 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros%20in%20WikiText

At the top of your tiddler:

\define my-macro() 

<$set name=pattern value="201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])">
<$list filter="[regexp:created]">



\end



Then, somewhere lower down (below all other macros if you have more than 
one) ...

<>

You can rename my-macro to anything that suits you: date-thing, if you want.


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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

coda coder

I use your code

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:36:02 PM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>
> You need to set a variable to contain anything that clashes with TW's 
> filter syntax (usually [ ] and { } etc)
>
> <$set name=pattern value="201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])">
> <$list filter="[regexp:created]">
>
> 
> 
>
>
>
in Tools / Advanced Search / Filter =>

[image: 19-09-_2019_23-49-54.png]


My question was:

> How do I apply this hint in my case? 
>
> <$set name="digit-pattern" value="[0-9]{2}"> < "[regexp:title]">> 
>
>

My case: Tools / Advanced Search / Filter 

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

You need to set a variable to contain anything that clashes with TW's 
filter syntax (usually [ ] and { } etc)

<$set name=pattern value="201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])">
<$list filter="[regexp:created]">







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[tw5] Any way to suppress "unresponsive script" message?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm doing something intensive with TW, that causes a "non-responsive 
script" message
to come up every 10 seconds. I have to dismiss it for it to continue. Is 
there any trick
or platform that will just churn through the process, without assuming I 
need to 
be reminded every ten seconds?

Firefox, Windows 7

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

You can't use square brackets directly in TW filters. You need use them 
through a variable.

I can't do this now. If not solved by tomorrow I'll help.

TT

On Thursday, 19 September 2019 22:45:56 UTC+2, Cd.K wrote:
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
>
>
> After this regexp Operator (Examples) 
> 
> I can do in Tools; Advanced Search; Filter:
>
> [regexp:created[201909]]
>
>
>
> and I get a list with all Tiddlers created in September 2019. 
>
> But 
> [regexp:created[201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])]]
>
> Filter error: Missing [ in filter expression
>
>
> What's wrong? 4 brackets [ and 4 brackets ]. 
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:04:24 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> regular expression filter.
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:59:23 UTC+2, Cd.K wrote:
>>>
>>> For the  past half an hour I have been looking for a solution and also 
>>> have an idea now how to solve it. 
>>> But I think, such a simple task should be solvable in 5 minutes or less.
>>>
>>> How would you approach this problem? Where/how would you search and what 
>>> would you find? 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

After this regexp Operator (Examples) 

I can do in Tools; Advanced Search; Filter:

[regexp:created[201909]]



and I get a list with all Tiddlers created in September 2019. 

But 
[regexp:created[201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])]]

Filter error: Missing [ in filter expression


What's wrong? 4 brackets [ and 4 brackets ]. 


On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:04:24 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> regular expression filter.
>
> On Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:59:23 UTC+2, Cd.K wrote:
>>
>> For the  past half an hour I have been looking for a solution and also 
>> have an idea now how to solve it. 
>> But I think, such a simple task should be solvable in 5 minutes or less.
>>
>> How would you approach this problem? Where/how would you search and what 
>> would you find? 
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

regular expression filter.

On Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:59:23 UTC+2, Cd.K wrote:
>
> For the  past half an hour I have been looking for a solution and also 
> have an idea now how to solve it. 
> But I think, such a simple task should be solvable in 5 minutes or less.
>
> How would you approach this problem? Where/how would you search and what 
> would you find? 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

['Cd.K' via TiddlyWiki]

For the  past half an hour I have been looking for a solution and also have 
an idea now how to solve it. 
But I think, such a simple task should be solvable in 5 minutes or less.

How would you approach this problem? Where/how would you search and what 
would you find? 


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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Mohammad]

Example of high quality documentation prepared by community (procedure and 
how to)

https://devguide.python.org/docquality/


I think Tiddlywiki itself is best for nonlinear documentation while 
learning should be somehow linear a trail is needed
So, the vanilla edition is not good for documentation, may be something 
like Sphinx or a TW edition with some linearity
like the trail you see on TW-Scripts or similar ...

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Mohammad]

tw-regexp is a collaborative project. Big thanks to Mark S and Josiah!

Actually it was Josiah enthusiasm to have a resource on regular expression 
in Tiddlywiki!  and the talent of Mark pushed the project to proceed!

While we have not many people involved but few other people also indirectly 
helped through GG like Mat.


So yes, these are examples of limited but fruitful collaboration!


--Mohammad


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[tw5] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual

[Diego Mesa]

I would definately like to support Eric finish - or more likely (as I 
understand it) is that we fork his work and can continue it ourselves. 

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Diego
>
> I support this!
> It seems now the community has the enthusiasm to have a book on Tiddlywiki!
>
> Let's encourage Eric to finalize his book The missing manual.
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 9:16:19 PM UTC+4:30, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Given all the recent posts, and the cyclical nature with which they 
>> popup, maybe the community should use this as a starting point/focal point 
>> for improving the docs?
>>
>> https://github.com/ericshulman/InsideTiddlyWiki
>> https://tiddlytools.github.io/InsideTW/
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-6, Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the answer is here: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/oP3r1yx4C14/UiT_yl48BQAJ
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Mohammad]

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:51:58 PM UTC+4:30, Watt wrote:
>
> I think I agree Mohammad, I was trying to illustrate my point in the 
> previous post that multiple 'silos' are a bad idea. Keep the conversation 
> in a single location gets my vote.
>
> Do you still have a link to your solution sharing input form? It might be 
> something that could be discussed here.
>
 

> On a total sidenote - I like how you frequently post 'Added to TW-Scripts' 
> when encountering solutions here. Can I ask you to turn that into a link to 
> TW-Scripts? I often want to go directly to TW-Scripts and see your 
> implementation. Big thanks for your many contributions Mohammad.
>

Sure, I will do! One reason I do not put the link is I monitor the group 
and when I see something I understand and I can document it, I post Added 
to TW-Scripts.
Then in my local version I create a task to document it and later at the 
weekends, free times, ... I implement it in TW-Scripts. So, it is not 
available then.

TW-Scripts normally is uploaded to GitHub every two three weeks so there is 
a gap. Sorry for this 

I can change the note as Will be added to the next revision of TW-Scripts
What do you think?

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Mohammad]

Hi Watt,
 See my longer reply to your previous post!

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Mohammad]

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:52:09 PM UTC+4:30, Watt wrote:
>
> Nice one TT! Collaboration, limited collectivism and sharing the load get 
> my vote.
>
> In my opinion GG is actually TW's strongest resource at the moment.
>
> *GG is a brain dump - a silo - anything and everything goes in it.
>
> *GG is the reliable silo. The entire conversation takes place here. 
> Splinter discussion groups will splinter the conversation. IMO Avoid 
> multiple silos. Open, unified discussion in a single established location 
> is powerful, inclusive and democratic.
>
> *GG is the first, officially recognised point of call if you're a TW 
> beginner. You can find answers here and ask questions. The community is 
> courteous, diverse, helpful and very knowledgeable. 
>
> *That idea of community has enormous value - the level of unforced user 
> engagement on GG is extraordinary.
>
> *GG has limitations but in its favour it's still here, 24 hours a day, 
> it's neutral - not subject to an individual's whims and styles, it is 
> egoless, 'owned' by the group, not one individual. It has everything in it, 
> there is a chronology. It's searchable - granted hitting the right search 
> term is difficult but difficulty can be 'educational'.
>
> *GG has a personality - acquired from it's collective membership - it also 
> quickly reveals who the TW 'adepts' are. You learn to trust inputs from 
> particular names - (Don't stop sharing you lovely people).
>
> So, I like GG despite its faults.
>
 

> I think your emerging model of Official TW documentation, supplemented by 
> GG as the big brain dump where everything goes, supplemented by super 
> useful TW resource lists like Dave's Toolmap, supplemented by user 
> generated 'area specific' solution wikis such as Mohammad's pioneering 
> TW-Scripts and Regex Solutions is a pretty good model. 
>
> Maybe it's the area specific solutions that could be collaborated on and 
> extended? Mohammad has got the ball rolling already I think and did float 
> an input tool for contributions of solutions found on GG. Perhaps he'd be 
> willing to brush up the mechanism and users could discuss and agree on a 
> formalised, recognised, findable accepted method of chipping in solutions 
> around particular problematic topic areas?
>
 
Thank you TT and Watt for supporting TW-Scripts. As you know it mainly 
focuses on problems needs some scripting e.g. at least writing a filter!
I really welcome any kind of cooperation and even I am ready to transfer it 
to community or tiddlywiki.com itself.

TW-Scripts approach is learning through examples and acts like a solution 
manual. Actually it is one of the best resources created by INDIRECT 
collaboration!
INDIRECT means few people showed interest to  prepare material for 
TW-Scripts, but many gave their solutions to questions in GG and I tried to 
collect and compile into TW-Scripts format!
Of course I selected some of these solutions first because I should be 
interested in that solution, second and more important I should understand 
the solution to document it.

In a failed try, I created a GitHub organization called tw-scripts (
https://github.com/orgs/tw-scripts/dashboard) with some projects focused on 
documentation. We did this in collaboration with Talha.
It is simple for everybody has  a GitHub account to collaborate! But as we 
did not receive any request, I remained with the original version of 
TW-Scripts maintained on https://github.com/kookma/TW-Scripts

*By the way writing documentation for Tiddlywiki is a sad story!*
If you dig into GG you will see many people tried to prepare or collaborate 
on TW documentation, but all these efforts failed and at maximum resulted 
in stranded individual wikis.

The same story is for plugins! we have not a plugin library at unofficial 
one to simple locate plugins and install them like the official get more 
plugin! There is no rating mechanism nothing...

Mohammad

 

> Some features I'd prefer;
> No single individual shoulders the burden
> Self maintainiing
> Easy input
> Topic defined
> Formally recognised and promoted
> Uses TW wherever possible 
>
> Other things this thread might have ideas on;
> Structure of contribution
> Input method
> Collection point
> Agreed topic areas
> Method of publicising
>
> Collating those solution inputs would be the work that might need sharing 
> and how to go about that could discussed further.
>
> The FAQ idea is another possible route, I think administering one, 
> maintaining answers and establishing whose responsibility it would be need 
> careful discussion. Avoiding multiple information silos and diluting the 
> collective but anarchic authority of GG might be considerations.
>
> Anyway just my 2 cents, here's a simple 3 hit helpline hierarchy for any 
> beginners out there;
>
> Tiddlywiki Official Docs - https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> --Google Groups -http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki
>
>  Dave Gifford's Toolmap - 
> 

[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Watt]

I think I agree Mohammad, I was trying to illustrate my point in the previous 
post that multiple 'silos' are a bad idea. Keep the conversation in a single 
location gets my vote.

Do you still have a link to your solution sharing input form? It might be 
something that could be discussed here.

On a total sidenote - I like how you frequently post 'Added to TW-Scripts' when 
encountering solutions here. Can I ask you to turn that into a link to 
TW-Scripts? I often want to go directly to TW-Scripts and see your 
implementation. Big thanks for your many contributions Mohammad.

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[tw5] Accessing selected nodes in a TiddlyMap view from within a tiddler?

[M Davis]

I'm looking for a way to construct a filter based on what nodes are 
selected in a TiddlyMap view. Is there a way to access a list of selected 
nodes from within a tiddler?

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Mohammad]

Hi Watt,
 

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:20:03 PM UTC+4:30, Watt wrote:
>
> Illustrating the multiple fora problem;
>
> "There is also a discussion group specifically for discussing TiddlyWiki 
> documentation improvement initiatives": 
> http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidocs
>

This is a dead group! few message per year!  For example in 2019 (by Sep) 
we have only 18 message!

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual

[Mohammad]

Hi Diego

I support this!
It seems now the community has the enthusiasm to have a book on Tiddlywiki!

Let's encourage Eric to finalize his book The missing manual.

--Mohammad



On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 9:16:19 PM UTC+4:30, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Given all the recent posts, and the cyclical nature with which they popup, 
> maybe the community should use this as a starting point/focal point for 
> improving the docs?
>
> https://github.com/ericshulman/InsideTiddlyWiki
> https://tiddlytools.github.io/InsideTW/
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-6, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer is here: 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/oP3r1yx4C14/UiT_yl48BQAJ
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Watt]

Illustrating the multiple fora problem;

"There is also a discussion group specifically for discussing TiddlyWiki 
documentation improvement initiatives": 
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidocs

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[tw5] Re: A TiddlyWiki community book.

[Watt]

And Diego's just posted this. Eric's in a league of his own so a better example 
and indicator of the size of the task would be hard to find. 

https://github.com/ericshulman/InsideTiddlyWiki

https://tiddlytools.github.io/InsideTW/

Check out some of the documentation posts and you'll see it's a recognised 
problem under much discussion at the moment.

There is also a discussion group specifically for discussing TiddlyWiki 
documentation improvement initiatives: 
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidocs

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[tw5] Re: A TiddlyWiki community book.

[Watt]

https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

Writing and Editing might have what you're looking for.

The documentation train is just leaving the platform a few posts down under 
'What's the point of effort'. All aboard! No ticket required.

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[tw5] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual

[Diego Mesa]

Given all the recent posts, and the cyclical nature with which they popup, 
maybe the community should use this as a starting point/focal point for 
improving the docs?

https://github.com/ericshulman/InsideTiddlyWiki
https://tiddlytools.github.io/InsideTW/

On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-6, Birthe C wrote:
>
> I think the answer is here: 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/oP3r1yx4C14/UiT_yl48BQAJ
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: A TiddlyWiki community book.

[Zachary Storer]

I was thinking of something like this: https://nostarch.com/gimp, but for 
TiddlyWiki.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:32:49 AM UTC-6, Zachary Storer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Is anyone interested in a TiddlyWiki community book? I'm thinking of 
> something for newbies to TiddlyWiki. The current documentation seems to be 
> scattered, and I don't know of a good central location to find tutorials on 
> how TiddlyWiki can be used for various tasks (authoring a book, writing 
> college notes, Getting Things Done, etc...). Although, I wonder how 
> difficult it might be to create a book since TiddlyWiki is so flexible with 
> what it can accomplish. Has anything like this been attempted before?
>
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>
> Zak
>

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[tw5] A TiddlyWiki community book.

[Zachary Storer]

Hello,

Is anyone interested in a TiddlyWiki community book? I'm thinking of 
something for newbies to TiddlyWiki. The current documentation seems to be 
scattered, and I don't know of a good central location to find tutorials on 
how TiddlyWiki can be used for various tasks (authoring a book, writing 
college notes, Getting Things Done, etc...). Although, I wonder how 
difficult it might be to create a book since TiddlyWiki is so flexible with 
what it can accomplish. Has anything like this been attempted before?

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Re: [tw5] [TW5][PLUGIN] Trashbin / Revisions plugin [mod]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

This is great to integrate different plugins.

Some comments

If you move to trash a tiddler say test, it will be seen as test inside
trash bin

Next you can create another test tiddler
If again move this to trash, you see it as test 1

If you restore any of these, you will have  a test tiddler not test 1

So, if the second test tiddler has some revisions, and you restore the
first test tiddler what will happen to revisions?

It seems on moving to trash you need also move all revisions.
On restore you need the restore all revisions

Mohammad

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:35 PM HC Haase  wrote:

> A small mod of Kookma's trashbin plugin so it will be compatible with JD's
> Plain Revisions plugin.
>
> *Demo and Download:* https://hchaase.github.io/TW-Trashbin-mod/
>
> The problem
>
> If you use JD's very nice Plain Revisions
>  plugin and also want to use
> Kookma's very nice Trashbin 
> plugin you have a problem! when a tiddler go in the trash bin, the
> revisions are not touched, and if you later delete the tiddler from trash,
> you will have revisions of non-existing tiddlers filling up the wiki and a
> hard time locating these revisions.
>
>
> The solution
>
> The solution is my Trashbin-mod. With this mod, the revision tiddlers will
> be deleted whenever the corresponding tiddlers is deleted permanently from
> the trash bin.
>
> The revisions are not changed nor deleted as long as the corresponding
> tiddler is in the trash bin. Therefore, if you restore a tiddler from the
> trash bin, the revisions will still be there.
>
>
> Features
>
>1. When a tiddler is *permanently* deleted from the trash
>(individually or in bulk), the corresponding revisions of these tiddlers
>are also deleted.
>2. In the trashbin sidebar I added a count items in trash that will
>appear when the trashbin is not empty.
>
>
> (@Kookma and @JD)
>
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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Watt]

Nice one TT! Collaboration, limited collectivism and sharing the load get my 
vote.

In my opinion GG is actually TW's strongest resource at the moment.

*GG is a brain dump - a silo - anything and everything goes in it.

*GG is the reliable silo. The entire conversation takes place here. Splinter 
discussion groups will splinter the conversation. IMO Avoid multiple silos. 
Open, unified discussion in a single established location is powerful, 
inclusive and democratic.

*GG is the first, officially recognised point of call if you're a TW beginner. 
You can find answers here and ask questions. The community is courteous, 
diverse, helpful and very knowledgeable. 

*That idea of community has enormous value - the level of unforced user 
engagement on GG is extraordinary.

*GG has limitations but in its favour it's still here, 24 hours a day, it's 
neutral - not subject to an individual's whims and styles, it is egoless, 
'owned' by the group, not one individual. It has everything in it, there is a 
chronology. It's searchable - granted hitting the right search term is 
difficult but difficulty can be 'educational'.

*GG has a personality - acquired from it's collective membership - it also 
quickly reveals who the TW 'adepts' are. You learn to trust inputs from 
particular names - (Don't stop sharing you lovely people).

So, I like GG despite its faults.

I think your emerging model of Official TW documentation, supplemented by GG as 
the big brain dump where everything goes, supplemented by super useful TW 
resource lists like Dave's Toolmap, supplemented by user generated 'area 
specific' solution wikis such as Mohammad's pioneering TW-Scripts and Regex 
Solutions is a pretty good model. 

Maybe it's the area specific solutions that could be collaborated on and 
extended? Mohammad has got the ball rolling already I think and did float an 
input tool for contributions of solutions found on GG. Perhaps he'd be willing 
to brush up the mechanism and users could discuss and agree on a formalised, 
recognised, findable accepted method of chipping in solutions around particular 
problematic topic areas? 

Some features I'd prefer;
No single individual shoulders the burden
Self maintainiing
Easy input
Topic defined
Formally recognised and promoted
Uses TW wherever possible 

Other things this thread might have ideas on;
Structure of contribution
Input method
Collection point
Agreed topic areas
Method of publicising

Collating those solution inputs would be the work that might need sharing and 
how to go about that could discussed further.

The FAQ idea is another possible route, I think administering one, maintaining 
answers and establishing whose responsibility it would be need careful 
discussion. Avoiding multiple information silos and diluting the collective but 
anarchic authority of GG might be considerations.

Anyway just my 2 cents, here's a simple 3 hit helpline hierarchy for any 
beginners out there;

Tiddlywiki Official Docs - https://tiddlywiki.com/

--Google Groups -http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki

 Dave Gifford's Toolmap - https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM  
see relevant sections

Dave's already created a beautiful resource - so why reinvent that wheel? 
Adding area specific solutions to his toolmap, solution sites with examples, 
created along the lines explored by Mohammad seems like it could be 
coordinatable and doable. 'Lets Snowball that cumulative group knowledge'.

Keep up the good work guys. Big thanks to all you TW-ites for your efforts and 
the continuing conversation. It is much appreciated!


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[tw5] Re: [TW5][PLUGIN] Trashbin / Revisions plugin [mod]

[@TiddlyTweeter]

VERY good idea.

I use Mal's revision of JD's tool ...  
http://malsandbox.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fmalgam%2Fversion-control

*I'm crossing my fingers it might work with it too?*

What I like about your approach is it brings tools together. 

TT

On Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:05:14 UTC+2, HC Haase wrote:
>
> A small mod of Kookma's trashbin plugin so it will be compatible with JD's 
> Plain Revisions plugin.
>
> *Demo and Download:* https://hchaase.github.io/TW-Trashbin-mod/
>
> The problem
>
> If you use JD's very nice Plain Revisions 
>  plugin and also want to use 
> Kookma's very nice Trashbin  
> plugin you have a problem! when a tiddler go in the trash bin, the 
> revisions are not touched, and if you later delete the tiddler from trash, 
> you will have revisions of non-existing tiddlers filling up the wiki and a 
> hard time locating these revisions.
>
>
> The solution
>
> The solution is my Trashbin-mod. With this mod, the revision tiddlers will 
> be deleted whenever the corresponding tiddlers is deleted permanently from 
> the trash bin. 
>
> The revisions are not changed nor deleted as long as the corresponding 
> tiddler is in the trash bin. Therefore, if you restore a tiddler from the 
> trash bin, the revisions will still be there.
>
>
> Features
>
>1. When a tiddler is *permanently* deleted from the trash 
>(individually or in bulk), the corresponding revisions of these tiddlers 
>are also deleted. 
>2. In the trashbin sidebar I added a count items in trash that will 
>appear when the trashbin is not empty. 
>
>
> (@Kookma and @JD)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Query: How do I filter to extract content in CONTENT in the text field?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Thanks Mark!

Its useful to understand what is going on. The "prep" needed for matching 
is unusual.

TT

On Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:38:36 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If you try it on your original suggested data, you will find it messes up 
> on the first "this is not latin" if you remove the join. 
> This is because the regular expression only works on a single tiddler 
> name, Each sentence fragment became its own
> tiddler name in the first split. So they have to be joined up again so 
> that the next expression can see the entirety of the text as one 
> pseudo-tiddler.
>
> If you knew in advance that your HTML was well formed and there were no 
> line breaks between tags, then you wouldn't need the join.
>
> HTH
> Mark
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:15:54 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mark
>>
>> Tweaking the baby ...
>>
>> ... erm, is "splitregexp[\n]join[ ]" needed?
>>
>> TT
>>
>> On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 20:36:38 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eble ...
>>>
>>> \define q(tid, tagname)
>>> <$list filter="""[{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
>>> ]splitregexp[<$tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]""" variable=item>
>>> <$list filter="""[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]""" variable
>>> =item2>
>>> <$text text=<>/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:57:22 AM UTC-7, coda coder wrote:

 Thanks to Josiah for proxy-handling this!

 Thanks Mark - that's pretty much nailed it.

 Can you think of/see a way to condense this into *one* macro?

 \define q-f1(tid, tagname) [{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ ]splitregexp[<
 $tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]
 \define q-f2(tagname) [splitregexp[]butlast[1]]


 \define q(tid, tagname)
 <$list filter=<> variable=item>
 <$list filter=<> variable=item2>
 <$text text=<>/>
 
 
 \end

 <>



 .

 On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:58:49 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You don't seem to need realchars for this. So:
>
> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
> variable=item>
> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
> <$text text=<>/>
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Actually, now I wonder if the original code was undertested.
>>
>> You need a nested list inside the first one:
>>
>> <$vars realchars="[^\s]+">
>> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
>> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
>> variable=item>
>> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" 
>> variable=item2>
>> <$text text=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> In this example {mas01} refers to a tiddler with your test text.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:48:20 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay. Let's hope. xxx
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:34:35 UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:

 TT
 This needs a little script.
 My find macro already do this. But it possible with regexp

 Let's see what Mark has to say.

 On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:59 PM @TiddlyTweeter  
 wrote:

> I'm not really getting anywhere on this.
>
> Maybe TW filters are INCAPABLE of discarding text?
>
> I'd like to know. The issue is this ... 
>
> I need CONTENT 1-3 returning, but nothing else... 
>>
>  
>
> CONTENT 1 text not wanted CONTENT 2  text 
> not wanted CONTENT 3
>
>   
>>
>> I could not work out how to do that.
>>
>
> TT
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Query: How do I filter to extract content in CONTENT in the text field?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If you try it on your original suggested data, you will find it messes up 
on the first "this is not latin" if you remove the join. 
This is because the regular expression only works on a single tiddler name, 
Each sentence fragment became its own
tiddler name in the first split. So they have to be joined up again so that 
the next expression can see the entirety of the text as one pseudo-tiddler.

If you knew in advance that your HTML was well formed and there were no 
line breaks between tags, then you wouldn't need the join.

HTH
Mark

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:15:54 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark
>
> Tweaking the baby ...
>
> ... erm, is "splitregexp[\n]join[ ]" needed?
>
> TT
>
> On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 20:36:38 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> Eble ...
>>
>> \define q(tid, tagname)
>> <$list filter="""[{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
>> ]splitregexp[<$tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]""" variable=item>
>> <$list filter="""[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]""" variable=
>> item2>
>> <$text text=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> \end
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:57:22 AM UTC-7, coda coder wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to Josiah for proxy-handling this!
>>>
>>> Thanks Mark - that's pretty much nailed it.
>>>
>>> Can you think of/see a way to condense this into *one* macro?
>>>
>>> \define q-f1(tid, tagname) [{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ ]splitregexp[<
>>> $tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]
>>> \define q-f2(tagname) [splitregexp[]butlast[1]]
>>>
>>>
>>> \define q(tid, tagname)
>>> <$list filter=<> variable=item>
>>> <$list filter=<> variable=item2>
>>> <$text text=<>/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:58:49 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:

 You don't seem to need realchars for this. So:

 <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
 ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
 variable=item>
 <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
 <$text text=<>/>
 
 



 On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Actually, now I wonder if the original code was undertested.
>
> You need a nested list inside the first one:
>
> <$vars realchars="[^\s]+">
> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
> variable=item>
> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
> <$text text=<>/>
> 
> 
> 
>
> In this example {mas01} refers to a tiddler with your test text.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:48:20 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter 
> wrote:
>>
>> Okay. Let's hope. xxx
>>
>> On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:34:35 UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> TT
>>> This needs a little script.
>>> My find macro already do this. But it possible with regexp
>>>
>>> Let's see what Mark has to say.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:59 PM @TiddlyTweeter  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not really getting anywhere on this.

 Maybe TW filters are INCAPABLE of discarding text?

 I'd like to know. The issue is this ... 

 I need CONTENT 1-3 returning, but nothing else... 
>
  

 CONTENT 1 text not wanted CONTENT 2  text 
 not wanted CONTENT 3

   
>
> I could not work out how to do that.
>

 TT


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[tw5] Re: [TW5][PLUGIN] Trashbin / Revisions plugin [mod]

[TonyM]

Nice,

I think both will go in my sandbox tiddlywiki template, where I am always 
hacking. No need to make tiddler copies and get others out of the way with 
a Reversible delete.

Good stuff
Tony

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:05:14 PM UTC+10, HC Haase wrote:
>
> A small mod of Kookma's trashbin plugin so it will be compatible with JD's 
> Plain Revisions plugin.
>
> *Demo and Download:* https://hchaase.github.io/TW-Trashbin-mod/
>
> The problem
>
> If you use JD's very nice Plain Revisions 
>  plugin and also want to use 
> Kookma's very nice Trashbin  
> plugin you have a problem! when a tiddler go in the trash bin, the 
> revisions are not touched, and if you later delete the tiddler from trash, 
> you will have revisions of non-existing tiddlers filling up the wiki and a 
> hard time locating these revisions.
>
>
> The solution
>
> The solution is my Trashbin-mod. With this mod, the revision tiddlers will 
> be deleted whenever the corresponding tiddlers is deleted permanently from 
> the trash bin. 
>
> The revisions are not changed nor deleted as long as the corresponding 
> tiddler is in the trash bin. Therefore, if you restore a tiddler from the 
> trash bin, the revisions will still be there.
>
>
> Features
>
>1. When a tiddler is *permanently* deleted from the trash 
>(individually or in bulk), the corresponding revisions of these tiddlers 
>are also deleted. 
>2. In the trashbin sidebar I added a count items in trash that will 
>appear when the trashbin is not empty. 
>
>
> (@Kookma and @JD)
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob - Anti-conflict, Data NOT Lost

[Kevin Kleinfelter]

Hmmm... Curiouser and curiouser.  Today's behavior is:

   - Loaded TW in Firefox (behind the corp proxy).
   - Created 'deleteme' tiddler.
   - Loaded TW in Chrome (behind the corp proxy).
   - 'deleteme' showed up in both browsers

It *appears* that the second attempt to load, which clears the issue on the 
first browser, can be from either inside or outside the firewall.

Testing this is going to be very slow, because I only get one test per day 
before the behavior goes away.

You spoke of adding a feature to have the server launch a connection.   If 
you're going to add a feature, the #1 feature I'd like to see is an 
indicator as to whether there are un-saved changes in the queue.  I can 
live with weirdness in getting to *see* my new content.  If I have to open 
a second browser once in the morning, I can do that.

The number 1 thing I can't abide is not saving data accurately.  It appears 
like Bob saves the data, but the fact that the 'Recent' tab doesn't show 
the new tiddler scares the daylights out of me and it makes it hard for me 
to be confident that the data really was saved.  An indicator that all data 
is confirmed saved would increase my confidence.  The Dynalist user 
interface is a good example of this.  They have a 'Synced' indicator in the 
upper-right corner which almost always says 'Synced'.  It *briefly* says 
something else for about 0.5 seconds after I update a line.  (It is so 
brief that I haven't actually read it.)

In general, Bob works better over the proxy-constrained access than plain 
TW.  The whole reconnected-here-are-conflicts is good.  It might be nice to 
offer an option to show the conflicts tiddler only if there are conflicts.  
If I click the red offline button and the red button goes away, that shows 
I'm reconnected.  I only care about conflicts when there *are* conflicts.  
 I see that red button several times a day because of my slow proxy.  

Or maybe just offer an option to silently reconnect, and have Bob re-try 
every few minutes?  Again, using Dynalist as an example, I don't actually 
have to think about reconnecting and syncing.  It all happens pretty much 
on its own.  I just glance up an the Synced indicator.  It might show 
'Offline' if I'm between WiFi hotspots, but once I reconnect, it just syncs 
and changes the indicator to 'Synced' unless there was a conflict.  I don't 
even think about connectivity with regards to Dynalist any more.

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[tw5] [TW5][PLUGIN] Trashbin / Revisions plugin [mod]

[HC Haase]

A small mod of Kookma's trashbin plugin so it will be compatible with JD's 
Plain Revisions plugin.

*Demo and Download:* https://hchaase.github.io/TW-Trashbin-mod/

The problem

If you use JD's very nice Plain Revisions 
 plugin and also want to use Kookma's 
very nice Trashbin  plugin you have 
a problem! when a tiddler go in the trash bin, the revisions are not 
touched, and if you later delete the tiddler from trash, you will have 
revisions of non-existing tiddlers filling up the wiki and a hard time 
locating these revisions.


The solution

The solution is my Trashbin-mod. With this mod, the revision tiddlers will 
be deleted whenever the corresponding tiddlers is deleted permanently from 
the trash bin. 

The revisions are not changed nor deleted as long as the corresponding 
tiddler is in the trash bin. Therefore, if you restore a tiddler from the 
trash bin, the revisions will still be there.


Features
   
   1. When a tiddler is *permanently* deleted from the trash (individually 
   or in bulk), the corresponding revisions of these tiddlers are also 
   deleted. 
   2. In the trashbin sidebar I added a count items in trash that will 
   appear when the trashbin is not empty. 


(@Kookma and @JD)

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[coda coder]

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:22:53 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> *For beginners* I often wondered why we don't go for a FAQ format with 
> Questions and Answers.
> It would be much easier to contribute to.
>
>>
>>
This. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Query: How do I filter to extract content in CONTENT in the text field?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark

Tweaking the baby ...

... erm, is "splitregexp[\n]join[ ]" needed?

TT

On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 20:36:38 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> Eble ...
>
> \define q(tid, tagname)
> <$list filter="""[{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
> ]splitregexp[<$tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]""" variable=item>
> <$list filter="""[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]""" variable=
> item2>
> <$text text=<>/>
> 
> 
> \end
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:57:22 AM UTC-7, coda coder wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Josiah for proxy-handling this!
>>
>> Thanks Mark - that's pretty much nailed it.
>>
>> Can you think of/see a way to condense this into *one* macro?
>>
>> \define q-f1(tid, tagname) [{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ ]splitregexp[<
>> $tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]
>> \define q-f2(tagname) [splitregexp[]butlast[1]]
>>
>>
>> \define q(tid, tagname)
>> <$list filter=<> variable=item>
>> <$list filter=<> variable=item2>
>> <$text text=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:58:49 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't seem to need realchars for this. So:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
>>> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
>>> variable=item>
>>> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
>>> <$text text=<>/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:

 Actually, now I wonder if the original code was undertested.

 You need a nested list inside the first one:

 <$vars realchars="[^\s]+">
 <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
 ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
 variable=item>
 <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
 <$text text=<>/>
 
 
 

 In this example {mas01} refers to a tiddler with your test text.



 On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:48:20 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter 
 wrote:
>
> Okay. Let's hope. xxx
>
> On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:34:35 UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> TT
>> This needs a little script.
>> My find macro already do this. But it possible with regexp
>>
>> Let's see what Mark has to say.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:59 PM @TiddlyTweeter  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not really getting anywhere on this.
>>>
>>> Maybe TW filters are INCAPABLE of discarding text?
>>>
>>> I'd like to know. The issue is this ... 
>>>
>>> I need CONTENT 1-3 returning, but nothing else... 

>>>  
>>>
>>> CONTENT 1 text not wanted CONTENT 2  text not 
>>> wanted CONTENT 3
>>>
>>>   

 I could not work out how to do that.

>>>
>>> TT
>>>
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[tw5] TiddlyWiki on Node.js

[Аквариус Филиал]

Good day everyone. 
Tell me how to make a backup copy of the wiki in HTML format? There is a 
command to create a copy of *tiddlywiki mynewwiki --build index*, works 
fine. 
But how to add this command in scheduler Windows?

This setting, as in the screenshot does not work


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[tw5] Re: Leading "." (period) for line break @TonyM

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:
>
> The are three aspects to using the ".", 
>

It might be interesting to play with the JS based parser system in public 
to acheieve what you want.

I don't think it would be too enormously difficult.

TT 

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Luis

We can only move forward doing tasks


Right. That was pretty much my starting point. 
Though with the caveat (=will it get attention?) "is it worth it?" 
I have seen many initiatives start and many fail.
Its depressing to see great efforts get nowhere.

Part of the issue may be what KIND of documentation is needed.

*I personally prefer issue focused solutions like Mohammad's. That inform 
whilst solving.*

So I think there is an issue what is meant by "docs". 

*For beginners* I often wondered why we don't go for a FAQ format with 
Questions and Answers.
It would be much easier to contribute to.

Just thoughts
Josiah 


On Thursday, 19 September 2019 09:25:13 UTC+2, Luis Gonzalez wrote:
>
> We can only move forward doing tasks:
>
> □ Explain the goal of this project.
>□ Have a list of all documentation personal projects.
>□ Create new documentation.
> □ Ennumerate the feature needs of the platform.
> □ Find where existing documentation is stored:
>
>- Github
>- Tiddlyspot
>
> □ List possible platforms.
> □ Choose a platform.
> □ Collect all existing documentation personal projects.
>
>
>- http://herramientas.tiddlyspot.com/#Introducción
>- Wiki Reference 
>- Scrip master 
>- Guía de Tiddlywiki 
>- tb5 
>- TW5 Magic 
>- TiddlyWiki toolmap 
>- Plugins and Hacks for TiddlyWiki 5 
>- Tiddlywiki examples 
>- Apprendre TiddlyWiki et ses plugins 
>
>
> □ Start with the creation of new material.
>
> I  think google groups is not a good starting point. If the question is 
> about documenting tiddlywiki, we will have to deal with many types of 
> documents: .html, .doc, odt, mindmaps, images, ...
>
> I think we need a leader to guide all activities.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I just wanted to comment that Mohammad's approach to this issue has been 
interesting and produced several *very useful effective resources*.

Taking just one of his works ... http://tw-regexp.tiddlyspot.com/, about 
Regular Expressions.

The way he built it was to pose problems on the list and then took the best 
solutions to the wiki.

I think its a good, workable, approach. That accepts the current mess in GG 
and makes the best of it.

When he started it I stopped my own work to make an info wiki for regular 
expressions. 

Better to have ONE resource, not two.

I have contributed to it, as did several others, especially Mark S. Its a 
limited collectivism that I think works.

Just reflections
TT

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Luis Gonzalez wrote:
>
> ... I  think google groups is not a good starting point. If the question 
> is about documenting tiddlywiki, we will have to deal with many types of 
> documents: .html, .doc, odt, mindmaps, images, ...
>

 I agree. But its quite good for FRAGMENTS of information.

IF we could search GG better it might help. The native search mechanism in 
GG is awful. But there are other was to search it. 
For instance via ... 
https://www.mail-archive.com/tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com/ 

My own feeling is the GG constantly produces useful solutions and 
documentation. Mohammad's work basically illustrates that point, as he 
gathers posted solutions.

Side thoughts
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

A Gloom wrote:
>
> ... a single tiddler can send "search queries" to any online wiki using a 
> story filter with search filter operators acting as a search query-- just 
> need their url which I building a data tiddler of. 
>

Right. There was some work done on that idea some months ago. But its not 
been fully brought together.

Actually its a good idea also for more than TW. A SPECIALIST searcher 
mechanism that you can record addresses of sites for and launch a precise 
search. (I working on one for the film-industry.)

For TW we have mechanism for landing directly as it has its own search 
engine. For other sites they can have their own interface to search too. 
Failing that Google or the Duck thing.

Best wishes
Josiah 

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Hi, A Gloom. I can help you.


Maybe we can start choosing a platform and open an account to start 
collecting all this information: all the links and other files. Maybe we 
can choose google docs to store the docs and google groups as a way of 
communicate with the rest of the people. 


As I said, the only way to progress is by doing things.


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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

erm ... don't we need an address? :-)

On Thursday, 19 September 2019 09:34:19 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Folks, 
>
> That's a very interesting question. Last year, I did crate an experiment, 
> which is a *working proof of concept*. Using 100% open source components. 
>
> Everything is explained with several videos. The video "auto 
> transcription" is a complete mess, that's why I will manually transcribe 
> them and start a new thread here in the group, when I have enough to read 
> for those who prefer to read ;)
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: I cannot delete a reocurring tiddler

[David Ultsfa]

Hi TonyM, it seems this fixed the problem! Thank you all 3 so much!!! :) ^^

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:28:22 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> What Jed and Mohammad are saying camelCase text is automatically made into 
> a link. Proceed with ~camelCase or desperate the words to stop.
>
> You may need to give us a better example of you problem text.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: I cannot delete a reocurring tiddler

[David Ultsfa]

the exact name is NakaTatsu

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 9:28:57 AM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Is the tiddler name in camel case? Something like this: someName ?
>

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[tw5] Re: I cannot delete a reocurring tiddler

[TonyM]

What Jed and Mohammad are saying camelCase text is automatically made into a 
link. Proceed with ~camelCase or desperate the words to stop.

You may need to give us a better example of you problem text.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: I cannot delete a reocurring tiddler

[Mohammad]

correct for: SomeName

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:58:57 PM UTC+4:30, Jed Carty wrote:
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> Is the tiddler name in camel case? Something like this: someName ?
>

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[A Gloom]

thank you Luis, I was about to start a thread to collect a list of ref 
wiki's from member's input

I have this mad coding experiment where from a single tiddler can send 
"search queries" to any online wiki using a story filter with search filter 
operators acting as a search query-- just need their url which I building a 
data tiddler of.  Also building table of contents of any content/ to 
sidebar tabs.

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[tw5] Re: Macro shows conditional contents interactively

[Mohammad]

Thanks!

Added to TW-Scripts

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:26:27 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 9:49:38 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Okay Mario!
>>  So if we use $:/state/popup/ prefixed state tiddlers then there is no 
>> need for startup action here right?
>>
>
> I didn't test it, but I think it should work, if you reload the page or 
> click "home" button.
>
> -m 
>

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[tw5] Re: I cannot delete a reocurring tiddler

[Jed Carty]

Is the tiddler name in camel case? Something like this: someName ?

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[tw5] I cannot delete a reocurring tiddler

[David Ultsfa]

Hi, I'm using TiddlyWiki as a Wiki for a story so I have everything 
gathered in one place when I need help remembering things.

There was a mention of a tiddler, a sort of [[mention of said non-existing 
tiddler]], that after being for a long time inside a bigger tiddler, I 
decided to remove [[mention of said non-existing tiddler]] from the tiddler 
text, but now, every SINGLE time I write mention of said non-existing 
tiddler, it automatically makes it [[mention of said tiddler]] in the 
preview and on the final text, even though that on the text-writing-box I 
never wrote [[mention of said non-existing tiddler]], I only wrote mention 
of said non-existing tiddler.

I've tried editing the HTML via google-chrome inspect element, and after 
saving the wiki, and opening it back up, everything was back to the same 
problem.

How do I fix this?

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[tw5] Re: Macro shows conditional contents interactively

[PMario]

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 9:49:38 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Okay Mario!
>  So if we use $:/state/popup/ prefixed state tiddlers then there is no 
> need for startup action here right?
>

I didn't test it, but I think it should work, if you reload the page or 
click "home" button.

-m 

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[tw5] Re: Macro shows conditional contents interactively

[Mohammad]

Okay Mario!
 So if we use $:/state/popup/ prefixed state tiddlers then there is no need 
for startup action here right?

-- Mohammad


On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:00:15 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> $:/state/ tiddlers are saved!
>
> IMO you could use $:/state/popup/ prefixed state tiddlers. They are not 
> saved to the file or node version.
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[PMario]

Hi Folks, 

That's a very interesting question. Last year, I did crate an experiment, 
which is a *working proof of concept*. Using 100% open source components. 

Everything is explained with several videos. The video "auto transcription" 
is a complete mess, that's why I will manually transcribe them and start a 
new thread here in the group, when I have enough to read for those who 
prefer to read ;)

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Macro shows conditional contents interactively

[PMario]

uups, 
I did reply to a cached version of the topic. Haven't seen, that there are 
already some responses that seem to work. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Macro shows conditional contents interactively

[PMario]

Hi,

$:/state/ tiddlers are saved!

IMO you could use $:/state/popup/ prefixed state tiddlers. They are not 
saved to the file or node version.

-m

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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[Luis Gonzalez]

We can only move forward doing tasks:

□ Explain the goal of this project.
   □ Have a list of all documentation personal projects.
   □ Create new documentation.
□ Ennumerate the feature needs of the platform.
□ Find where existing documentation is stored:

   - Github
   - Tiddlyspot

□ List possible platforms.
□ Choose a platform.
□ Collect all existing documentation personal projects.


   - http://herramientas.tiddlyspot.com/#Introducción
   - Wiki Reference 
   - Scrip master 
   - Guía de Tiddlywiki 
   - tb5 
   - TW5 Magic 
   - TiddlyWiki toolmap 
   - Plugins and Hacks for TiddlyWiki 5 
   - Tiddlywiki examples 
   - Apprendre TiddlyWiki et ses plugins 
   
   
□ Start with the creation of new material.

I  think google groups is not a good starting point. If the question is 
about documenting tiddlywiki, we will have to deal with many types of 
documents: .html, .doc, odt, mindmaps, images, ...

I think we need a leader to guide all activities.

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[tw5] Re: TwTube plugin brings Video.js player to TiddlyWiki 5

[Rahul Kashyap]

Dear TheDiveO,

Thank you for making this available to the community. This is very helpful. 
However, I had two suggestions/requests if I'm not making a delayed 
request. 


   - The mp4 video is not supported in TW desktop. Support there would be 
   useful. 
   - I wish we could also embed an audio file similarly for a local file 
   using the path to the file. 

Resizing of the video must already be there but, I couldn't do that using 
height and width attribute or, perhaps that also has some incompatibility 
with TW desktop. 

Thanks,
Rahul

On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 11:00:28 PM UTC+5:30, TheDiveO wrote:
>
> This plugin brings the Video.js video player to TiddlyWiki 5, including:
>
>- three skin plugins: YouTube-inspired, Sublime-inspired, 
>iPlayer-inspired.
>- two player plugins: persistent volume, hotkeys.
>
> Live Demo: https://thediveo.github.io/TwTube/output/twtube.html
> Release Files: https://github.com/TheDiveO/TwTube/releases
> GitHub Project: https://github.com/TheDiveO/TwTube
>
> *NOTE#1:* When using a file://-based TiddlyWiki please note that the 
>> usual Browser sandbox restrictions for accessing (media) files apply. You 
>> cannot access files outside the (download) sandbox.
>>
>
> *NOTE#2:* As it has been the same-origin policy for ages, you cannot 
>> access YouTube videos from a TiddlyWiki -- unless you get it uploaded on 
>> Google's servers ;)
>>
>
> *NOTE#3: *Due to the same-origin restriction of loading (not only media) 
>> resources, the plugin has an enhanced TW5 server that needs to be used 
>> instead of the stock TW5 server when creating TiddlyWikis via a TW5 server 
>> on node.js.
>>
>
> Many thanks to Jeremy for helping me understanding some delicate aspects 
> of Javascript module loading!
>
> Best regards,
> TheDiveO
>
>

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