[tw5] Re: editlist widget

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 9:19:01 PM UTC-7, Bob Jansen wrote:
>
> could you provide an example of how to use the listview attribute to 
> display the content of two fields with a comma space between them.
>

Try something like this:

<$macrocall $name="edit-list" ...  listview="{{{ [get[somefield]] 
}}}, {{{ [get[otherfield]] }}}" ... />

-e

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[tw5] editlist widget

[Bob Jansen]

Eric,

could you provide an example of how to use the listview attribute to 
display the content of two fields with a comma space between them.

eg. Bob Jansen, Turtle Lane

bobj

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[tw5] Re: General discussion: How do you use tags? (The philosophy of tags)

[kuzi]

Si,

I had asked a similar question when I was more of a beginner, and found TW 
Tones's strategy very insightful. Tags can be very useful, but I did not 
want to overuse them, as I believe they will be less effective. I like 
using tags for indicating a general category, then using an "object-type" 
field to indicate what that tiddler is. Then you could have additional 
fields for each object-type for any additional details.
On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 at 14:47:33 UTC-5 bimlas wrote:

> Ed,
>
> A suggestion: use metadata for things that can be clearly grouped (music, 
> software, product), links for theoretical things (studies, thoughts, 
> descriptions), but don’t mix the two systems because they lead to 
> inconsistencies or duplication of information.
>
> If you want to talk more about it, let’s continue the conversation here: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/2yRiVsbAv9g
>

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[tw5] Re: How can you make a Q&A form in Tiddlywiki?

[TW Tones]

Jin,

There is a flash cards plugin that may be a way to go. The answer is on the 
back of an animated cars

You need to somehow set a toggle for the answer, and if the correct answer 
is given conditionally display the result.

otherwise if you just want to conceal the answer you could do so with the 
details widget, the user click to see the answer.

With computer based Q&A multiple choice can be better simply because 
determining a textual answer is correct can be complex.

others have used tiddlywiki this way so a bit of a search for "tiddlywiki" 
+quiz and other related keywords should help you find previous work.
Presentation or slides may be other keywords.

Tones

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 00:48:05 UTC+11, jin wrote:
>
> I want to implement Q&A exercises on my TW where it shows if what I typed 
> or clicked was correct or not. How can I achieve this?
>

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[tw5] Re: Modifications for Wikitext

[TW Tones]

Post script

When using this alternate CSS you still need to ensure there is a blank 
line before any wiki text markup or it will not be evaluated

eg
Test
No wrapping

* list item

Tones


On Thursday, 8 October 2020 08:52:37 UTC+11, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Beanman,
>
> Here is a conditional targeting of this behaviour, with this method just 
> add the tag linewrap to tiddlers where you want this occurring.
>
> See [[tiddlywiki.com for more|https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20data-styles
> ]]
>
> Add [data-tags*="linewrap"]  in front of Eric suggested stylesheet and it 
> will only apply to tiddlers tagged linewrap or what ever you call it.
>
> Just put the following CSS content into a tiddler (e.g., MyStylesheet), 
> tagged with $:/tags/Stylesheet:
> [data-tags*="linewrap"] .tc-tiddler-body {
>   word-break: normal;
>   word-wrap: break-word;
>   white-space: pre-wrap;
> }
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, 8 October 2020 08:37:51 UTC+11, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Beanman
>>
>> This is a common issue raised with new users, and there are plenty of 
>> work arounds. There are good reasons for the default behaviour but it does 
>> challenge long learned habits.
>>
>> There are some activities and projects occurring that will impact this 
>> and give wiki text authors a lot more possibilities so keep your eyes open.
>>
>> However you may find in WYSIWYG editors such as Microsoft word etc you 
>> are often using double for paragraph breaks as well, however we do 
>> it, we do need to differentiate between lines and paragraphs. 
>> Yet when using wiki text it is more like a simple text editor so needing 
>> to indicate the paragraph seems unusual, but given wiki text gives you a 
>> lot of formatting and presentation options its ultimate objective is 
>> similar to WYSIS*WYG* outputs.
>>
>> Having used tiddlywiki in its various versions for more than a decade now 
>> I am very familiar with it, yet every now and then it annoys me, others and 
>> new users. Hence the ongoing work 
>>
>> It seems Eric's great suggestion has some other effects, so I am looking 
>> at a way to make it conditional.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Thursday, 8 October 2020 02:11:15 UTC+11, Beanman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there any way i could change the default behavior of wikitext so that 
>>> it always behaves as if I'm using """ to get hard line breaks?  Never in my 
>>> life have I pressed the enter key and not wanted to get a hard line break 
>>> out of it, so is there any setting I can change, or maybe just make it so 
>>> that pages start with the triple quotes by default?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Modifications for Wikitext

[TW Tones]

Beanman,

Here is a conditional targeting of this behaviour, with this method just 
add the tag linewrap to tiddlers where you want this occurring.

See [[tiddlywiki.com for more|https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20data-styles]]

Add [data-tags*="linewrap"]  in front of Eric suggested stylesheet and it 
will only apply to tiddlers tagged linewrap or what ever you call it.

Just put the following CSS content into a tiddler (e.g., MyStylesheet), 
tagged with $:/tags/Stylesheet:
[data-tags*="linewrap"] .tc-tiddler-body {
  word-break: normal;
  word-wrap: break-word;
  white-space: pre-wrap;
}


Regards
Tony

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 08:37:51 UTC+11, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Beanman
>
> This is a common issue raised with new users, and there are plenty of work 
> arounds. There are good reasons for the default behaviour but it does 
> challenge long learned habits.
>
> There are some activities and projects occurring that will impact this and 
> give wiki text authors a lot more possibilities so keep your eyes open.
>
> However you may find in WYSIWYG editors such as Microsoft word etc you are 
> often using double for paragraph breaks as well, however we do it, 
> we do need to differentiate between lines and paragraphs. 
> Yet when using wiki text it is more like a simple text editor so needing 
> to indicate the paragraph seems unusual, but given wiki text gives you a 
> lot of formatting and presentation options its ultimate objective is 
> similar to WYSIS*WYG* outputs.
>
> Having used tiddlywiki in its various versions for more than a decade now 
> I am very familiar with it, yet every now and then it annoys me, others and 
> new users. Hence the ongoing work 
>
> It seems Eric's great suggestion has some other effects, so I am looking 
> at a way to make it conditional.
>
> Tones
>
> On Thursday, 8 October 2020 02:11:15 UTC+11, Beanman wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is there any way i could change the default behavior of wikitext so that 
>> it always behaves as if I'm using """ to get hard line breaks?  Never in my 
>> life have I pressed the enter key and not wanted to get a hard line break 
>> out of it, so is there any setting I can change, or maybe just make it so 
>> that pages start with the triple quotes by default?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Modifications for Wikitext

[TW Tones]

Beanman

This is a common issue raised with new users, and there are plenty of work 
arounds. There are good reasons for the default behaviour but it does 
challenge long learned habits.

There are some activities and projects occurring that will impact this and 
give wiki text authors a lot more possibilities so keep your eyes open.

However you may find in WYSIWYG editors such as Microsoft word etc you are 
often using double for paragraph breaks as well, however we do it, 
we do need to differentiate between lines and paragraphs. 
Yet when using wiki text it is more like a simple text editor so needing to 
indicate the paragraph seems unusual, but given wiki text gives you a lot 
of formatting and presentation options its ultimate objective is similar to 
WYSIS*WYG* outputs.

Having used tiddlywiki in its various versions for more than a decade now I 
am very familiar with it, yet every now and then it annoys me, others and 
new users. Hence the ongoing work 

It seems Eric's great suggestion has some other effects, so I am looking at 
a way to make it conditional.

Tones

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 02:11:15 UTC+11, Beanman wrote:
>
>
> Is there any way i could change the default behavior of wikitext so that 
> it always behaves as if I'm using """ to get hard line breaks?  Never in my 
> life have I pressed the enter key and not wanted to get a hard line break 
> out of it, so is there any setting I can change, or maybe just make it so 
> that pages start with the triple quotes by default?
>

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[tw5] Re: [Help Needed] TiddlyWiki on Nodejs to GitHub pages

[Prestige]

 >>  Files inside directories inside A should be recursively loaded as long 
as they match the regexp. 

It's not loading. I had to add that directory explicitly to make the md 
inside to load. 

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 02:24:25 UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Files inside directories inside A should be recursively loaded as long as 
> they match the regexp.
>
> No idea about TiddlyResearch. Suggest you address that question to the 
> author. There is a thread for TR in this group.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:48:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:
>
>> Okay. Thanks.
>> It fixes the error.
>>
>> A few more question if I may:
>>
>>- What can I do to include the md files inside the folder B as 
>>tiddlers?
>>- Also, I am using TiddlyResearch on top of TW5 (I think you are 
>>aware of it), and it has a need to specify tags (.tiddler, .folder etc). 
>>What can I do to retain the folder structure as is in my folder on TR 
>>itself? Currently, I am providing the tag .tiddler.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 02:08:24 UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the absence of a files regexp node is trying to read the directory 
>>> you add as if it were a file.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:35:48 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
 At first glance two things I would try.

 Use a relative path for the folder like ./A

 Add a files regexp for dir A

 "filesRegExp": "^.*\\.md$",

 On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:20:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to use TW5 with a markdown note taking system Obsidian. For 
> that I followed saqimtaz's post on Reddit 
> 
> .
>
> Everything worked fine except for a peculiar problem. I have my 
> markdown files inside a  folder "A" in "tiddlers" folder and I have 
> provided a "tiddlywiki.files" to read from folder "A" for all markdown 
> files. But whenever I have a folder (say "B"), I get an error 
> . 
>
> My " tiddlywiki.files" contains this code for now. 
>
> {
> "directories": [
> {
> "path": "A",
> "isTiddlerFile": true,
> "fields": {
> "title": {"source": "basename"},
> "created": {"source": "created"},
> "modified": {"source": "modified"},
> "tags": [".tiddler"],
> "type": "text/x-markdown"
> 
> }
> }
> ]
> }
>
> How can I change it to include all folders inside the directory "A"?
> Do I have to manually add a directory code everytime I add a new 
> folder inside "A"?
>
> Regards,
> Prestige
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Help Needed] TiddlyWiki on Nodejs to GitHub pages

[Saq Imtiaz]

Files inside directories inside A should be recursively loaded as long as 
they match the regexp.

No idea about TiddlyResearch. Suggest you address that question to the 
author. There is a thread for TR in this group.


On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:48:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:

> Okay. Thanks.
> It fixes the error.
>
> A few more question if I may:
>
>- What can I do to include the md files inside the folder B as 
>tiddlers?
>- Also, I am using TiddlyResearch on top of TW5 (I think you are aware 
>of it), and it has a need to specify tags (.tiddler, .folder etc). What 
> can 
>I do to retain the folder structure as is in my folder on TR itself? 
>Currently, I am providing the tag .tiddler.
>
>
> On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 02:08:24 UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In the absence of a files regexp node is trying to read the directory you 
>> add as if it were a file.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:35:48 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> At first glance two things I would try.
>>>
>>> Use a relative path for the folder like ./A
>>>
>>> Add a files regexp for dir A
>>>
>>> "filesRegExp": "^.*\\.md$",
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:20:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:
>>>

 Hello all,

 I wanted to use TW5 with a markdown note taking system Obsidian. For 
 that I followed saqimtaz's post on Reddit 
 
 .

 Everything worked fine except for a peculiar problem. I have my 
 markdown files inside a  folder "A" in "tiddlers" folder and I have 
 provided a "tiddlywiki.files" to read from folder "A" for all markdown 
 files. But whenever I have a folder (say "B"), I get an error 
 . 

 My " tiddlywiki.files" contains this code for now. 

 {
 "directories": [
 {
 "path": "A",
 "isTiddlerFile": true,
 "fields": {
 "title": {"source": "basename"},
 "created": {"source": "created"},
 "modified": {"source": "modified"},
 "tags": [".tiddler"],
 "type": "text/x-markdown"
 
 }
 }
 ]
 }

 How can I change it to include all folders inside the directory "A"?
 Do I have to manually add a directory code everytime I add a new folder 
 inside "A"?

 Regards,
 Prestige



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[tw5] Re: [Help Needed] TiddlyWiki on Nodejs to GitHub pages

[Prestige]

What exactly does the Files regexp does? and where can I learn about these 
things?

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 02:18:05 UTC+5:30 Prestige wrote:

> Okay. Thanks.
> It fixes the error.
>
> A few more question if I may:
>
>- What can I do to include the md files inside the folder B as 
>tiddlers?
>- Also, I am using TiddlyResearch on top of TW5 (I think you are aware 
>of it), and it has a need to specify tags (.tiddler, .folder etc). What 
> can 
>I do to retain the folder structure as is in my folder on TR itself? 
>Currently, I am providing the tag .tiddler.
>
>
> On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 02:08:24 UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In the absence of a files regexp node is trying to read the directory you 
>> add as if it were a file.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:35:48 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> At first glance two things I would try.
>>>
>>> Use a relative path for the folder like ./A
>>>
>>> Add a files regexp for dir A
>>>
>>> "filesRegExp": "^.*\\.md$",
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:20:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:
>>>

 Hello all,

 I wanted to use TW5 with a markdown note taking system Obsidian. For 
 that I followed saqimtaz's post on Reddit 
 
 .

 Everything worked fine except for a peculiar problem. I have my 
 markdown files inside a  folder "A" in "tiddlers" folder and I have 
 provided a "tiddlywiki.files" to read from folder "A" for all markdown 
 files. But whenever I have a folder (say "B"), I get an error 
 . 

 My " tiddlywiki.files" contains this code for now. 

 {
 "directories": [
 {
 "path": "A",
 "isTiddlerFile": true,
 "fields": {
 "title": {"source": "basename"},
 "created": {"source": "created"},
 "modified": {"source": "modified"},
 "tags": [".tiddler"],
 "type": "text/x-markdown"
 
 }
 }
 ]
 }

 How can I change it to include all folders inside the directory "A"?
 Do I have to manually add a directory code everytime I add a new folder 
 inside "A"?

 Regards,
 Prestige



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Re: [tw5] Re: XMLhttpRequest Errors

[Rika Sukenik]

Ha, okay. Makes sense. Hopefully someone else can help!

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 10:29 AM bimlas  wrote:

> If you can't find it, that's not the cause.
>
> rika.s...@gmail.com a következőt írta (2020. október 7., szerda, 17:48:29
> UTC+2):
>
>> Thanks, Bimlas. I checked the Shadows menu for that tiddler, but I don't
>> see it. Where I can find it?
>>
>> Best,
>> Rika Sukenik
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:39 AM bimlas  wrote:
>>
>>> Rika,
>>>
>>> >  i'm getting 3 XMLhttpRequest errors when my page loads
>>>
>>> I just got this error these days when I split the single HTML into separate
>>> files . For me, the solution was
>>> to delete $:/config/tiddlyweb/host tiddler.
>>>
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[tw5] Re: [Help Needed] TiddlyWiki on Nodejs to GitHub pages

[Prestige]

Okay. Thanks.
It fixes the error.

A few more question if I may:

   - What can I do to include the md files inside the folder B as tiddlers?
   - Also, I am using TiddlyResearch on top of TW5 (I think you are aware 
   of it), and it has a need to specify tags (.tiddler, .folder etc). What can 
   I do to retain the folder structure as is in my folder on TR itself? 
   Currently, I am providing the tag .tiddler.
   

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 02:08:24 UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> In the absence of a files regexp node is trying to read the directory you 
> add as if it were a file.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:35:48 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> At first glance two things I would try.
>>
>> Use a relative path for the folder like ./A
>>
>> Add a files regexp for dir A
>>
>> "filesRegExp": "^.*\\.md$",
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:20:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I wanted to use TW5 with a markdown note taking system Obsidian. For 
>>> that I followed saqimtaz's post on Reddit 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Everything worked fine except for a peculiar problem. I have my markdown 
>>> files inside a  folder "A" in "tiddlers" folder and I have provided a 
>>> "tiddlywiki.files" to read from folder "A" for all markdown files. But 
>>> whenever I have a folder (say "B"), I get an error 
>>> . 
>>>
>>> My " tiddlywiki.files" contains this code for now. 
>>>
>>> {
>>> "directories": [
>>> {
>>> "path": "A",
>>> "isTiddlerFile": true,
>>> "fields": {
>>> "title": {"source": "basename"},
>>> "created": {"source": "created"},
>>> "modified": {"source": "modified"},
>>> "tags": [".tiddler"],
>>> "type": "text/x-markdown"
>>> 
>>> }
>>> }
>>> ]
>>> }
>>>
>>> How can I change it to include all folders inside the directory "A"?
>>> Do I have to manually add a directory code everytime I add a new folder 
>>> inside "A"?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Prestige
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: [Help Needed] TiddlyWiki on Nodejs to GitHub pages

[Saq Imtiaz]

In the absence of a files regexp node is trying to read the directory you 
add as if it were a file.


On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:35:48 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> At first glance two things I would try.
>
> Use a relative path for the folder like ./A
>
> Add a files regexp for dir A
>
> "filesRegExp": "^.*\\.md$",
>
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:20:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I wanted to use TW5 with a markdown note taking system Obsidian. For that 
>> I followed saqimtaz's post on Reddit 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Everything worked fine except for a peculiar problem. I have my markdown 
>> files inside a  folder "A" in "tiddlers" folder and I have provided a 
>> "tiddlywiki.files" to read from folder "A" for all markdown files. But 
>> whenever I have a folder (say "B"), I get an error 
>> . 
>>
>> My " tiddlywiki.files" contains this code for now. 
>>
>> {
>> "directories": [
>> {
>> "path": "A",
>> "isTiddlerFile": true,
>> "fields": {
>> "title": {"source": "basename"},
>> "created": {"source": "created"},
>> "modified": {"source": "modified"},
>> "tags": [".tiddler"],
>> "type": "text/x-markdown"
>> 
>> }
>> }
>> ]
>> }
>>
>> How can I change it to include all folders inside the directory "A"?
>> Do I have to manually add a directory code everytime I add a new folder 
>> inside "A"?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Prestige
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Help Needed] TiddlyWiki on Nodejs to GitHub pages

[Saq Imtiaz]

At first glance two things I would try.

Use a relative path for the folder like ./A

Add a files regexp for dir A

"filesRegExp": "^.*\\.md$",

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:20:05 PM UTC+2 Prestige wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to use TW5 with a markdown note taking system Obsidian. For that 
> I followed saqimtaz's post on Reddit 
> 
> .
>
> Everything worked fine except for a peculiar problem. I have my markdown 
> files inside a  folder "A" in "tiddlers" folder and I have provided a 
> "tiddlywiki.files" to read from folder "A" for all markdown files. But 
> whenever I have a folder (say "B"), I get an error 
> . 
>
> My " tiddlywiki.files" contains this code for now. 
>
> {
> "directories": [
> {
> "path": "A",
> "isTiddlerFile": true,
> "fields": {
> "title": {"source": "basename"},
> "created": {"source": "created"},
> "modified": {"source": "modified"},
> "tags": [".tiddler"],
> "type": "text/x-markdown"
> 
> }
> }
> ]
> }
>
> How can I change it to include all folders inside the directory "A"?
> Do I have to manually add a directory code everytime I add a new folder 
> inside "A"?
>
> Regards,
> Prestige
>
>

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[tw5] [Help Needed] TiddlyWiki on Nodejs to GitHub pages

[Prestige]

Hello all,

I wanted to use TW5 with a markdown note taking system Obsidian. For that I 
followed saqimtaz's post on Reddit 

.

Everything worked fine except for a peculiar problem. I have my markdown 
files inside a  folder "A" in "tiddlers" folder and I have provided a 
"tiddlywiki.files" to read from folder "A" for all markdown files. But 
whenever I have a folder (say "B"), I get an error . 


My " tiddlywiki.files" contains this code for now. 

{
"directories": [
{
"path": "A",
"isTiddlerFile": true,
"fields": {
"title": {"source": "basename"},
"created": {"source": "created"},
"modified": {"source": "modified"},
"tags": [".tiddler"],
"type": "text/x-markdown"

}
}
]
}

How can I change it to include all folders inside the directory "A"?
Do I have to manually add a directory code everytime I add a new folder 
inside "A"?

Regards,
Prestige

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[tw5] Re: General discussion: How do you use tags? (The philosophy of tags)

[bimlas]

Ed,

A suggestion: use metadata for things that can be clearly grouped (music, 
software, product), links for theoretical things (studies, thoughts, 
descriptions), but don’t mix the two systems because they lead to 
inconsistencies or duplication of information.

If you want to talk more about it, let’s continue the conversation 
here: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/2yRiVsbAv9g

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[tw5] Re: General discussion: How do you use tags? (The philosophy of tags)

[bimlas]

Ed,

I have previously noticed a tension between tag-and-field-based and 
> text-and-link-based organization
>

You can also use the links as tags.
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Re11x96t-qI/m/9f9LL5GRGAAJ
 

> or to put it another way, metadata-based organization vs. text-based 
> organization.
>

... and can even be used to mark metadata.
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Re11x96t-qI/m/WoqDEuJzGQAJ

For a "complex" example, have a look 
at https://bimlas.gitlab.io/demo/tw5/property-comparison.html
 

> It's an interesting thing to wrestle with, and I appreciate reading your 
> notes following your path down the text-and-link path.
>

If you are interested in the topic, I recommend that you study the 
Zettelkasten methodology.
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/2yRiVsbAv9g/m/vKBIC5CjBQAJ

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[tw5] Re: General discussion: How do you use tags? (The philosophy of tags)

[Ed Heil]

Bimlas, 

The "links-only" path of tiddlywiki-ing you're describing is very 
interesting!  I have previously noticed a tension between 
tag-and-field-based and text-and-link-based organization, or to put it 
another way, metadata-based organization vs. text-based organization.

It's an interesting thing to wrestle with, and I appreciate reading your 
notes following your path down the text-and-link path.


On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4 bimlas wrote:

> Si,
>
> Lately, I’ve been almost completely ignoring tags, I prefer links 
> everywhere, because all that really matters is that two notes are related 
> to each other, not necessarily how they relate to the relationship. The 
> surrounding text explains how they relate. Further explanation:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Re11x96t-qI/m/GYuMKHx0AQAJ
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: XMLhttpRequest Errors

[bimlas]

If you can't find it, that's not the cause.

rika.s...@gmail.com a következőt írta (2020. október 7., szerda, 17:48:29 
UTC+2):

> Thanks, Bimlas. I checked the Shadows menu for that tiddler, but I don't 
> see it. Where I can find it?
>
> Best,
> Rika Sukenik 
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:39 AM bimlas  wrote:
>
>> Rika,
>>
>> >  i'm getting 3 XMLhttpRequest errors when my page loads
>>
>> I just got this error these days when I split the single HTML into separate 
>> files . For me, the solution was to 
>> delete $:/config/tiddlyweb/host tiddler.
>>
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[tw5] Re: How can you make a Q&A form in Tiddlywiki?

[Ste]

I've had a go at this but ran out of steam.. 
And someone did a macro/ plugin once too. 

Here's my stuff of you want to unpick it 
http://stephenteachertests.tiddlyspot.com/#Intreactive%20text

And the macro is ifAisB by Thomas https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html

Ste
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> I want to implement Q&A exercises on my TW where it shows if what I typed 
> or clicked was correct or not. How can I achieve this?
>

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[tw5] Re: A plugin for diagrams and figures?

[Ste]

I've been using mathcha.io for my svg diagramming needs. 

On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 at 13:44:26 UTC+1 justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll try this during the weekend, thank you!
>
> On Tuesday, 6 October 2020 at 19:06:26 UTC+8 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Jin,
>>
>> There are a number of graphics and flow chart tools for tiddlywiki, but 
>> you can use any tool that produces and output that tiddlywiki can use. You 
>> could learn SVG or get a free tool like inkscape to create and edit SVG 
>> files which by their nature can be small for simple circle, conic sections 
>> and other math related you may look at latex and other addins.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 5 October 2020 18:40:24 UTC+11, jin wrote:
>>>
>>> Our classes officially started today and I wanted to take notes in TW 
>>> however there are diagrams, figures in some subjects like a simple circle, 
>>> conic sections and other math related and I was wondering if there's like a 
>>> plugin for this because its such a hassle to import pictures but if not 
>>> then I will stick to importing
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: XMLhttpRequest Errors

[Rika Sukenik]

Thanks, Bimlas. I checked the Shadows menu for that tiddler, but I don't
see it. Where I can find it?

Best,
Rika Sukenik


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> Rika,
>
> >  i'm getting 3 XMLhttpRequest errors when my page loads
>
> I just got this error these days when I split the single HTML into separate
> files . For me, the solution was to
> delete $:/config/tiddlyweb/host tiddler.
>
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[tw5] Re: Modifications for Wikitext

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 8:11:15 AM UTC-7, Beanman wrote:
>
>
> Is there any way i could change the default behavior of wikitext so that 
> it always behaves as if I'm using """ to get hard line breaks?  Never in my 
> life have I pressed the enter key and not wanted to get a hard line break 
> out of it, so is there any setting I can change, or maybe just make it so 
> that pages start with the triple quotes by default?
>

https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS demonstrates how to 
use CSS to get "hard linebreaks" in your tiddler content.

In that example, it shows the syntax for making hard linebreaks 
conditionally based on tagging the tiddler.  However, you could make it 
apply to all tiddlers just as easily.

Just put the following CSS content into a tiddler (e.g., MyStylesheet), 
tagged with $:/tags/Stylesheet:
.tc-tiddler-body {
  word-break: normal; 
  word-wrap: break-word;
  white-space: pre-wrap;
} 

enjoy,
-e  

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[tw5] Modifications for Wikitext

['Beanman' via TiddlyWiki]

Is there any way i could change the default behavior of wikitext so that it 
always behaves as if I'm using """ to get hard line breaks?  Never in my 
life have I pressed the enter key and not wanted to get a hard line break 
out of it, so is there any setting I can change, or maybe just make it so 
that pages start with the triple quotes by default?

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Ken Gray]

I'm using TWEXE, so maybe it's because of that. 
Does yours save as expected?

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 9:48:20 AM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ken, Streams does't change the default behaviour of autosave in any manner.
>
> Are you using the single file version of TiddlyWiki, or node.js?
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:16:21 PM UTC+2, Ken Gray wrote:
>>
>> I have 1.1.15 but my 'autosave' still doesn't work.  when I create a new 
>> item in a tiddler, it doesn't save.  however, when I create a new tiddler, 
>> it autosaves as expected. 
>> if not a way at this time, is there a keyboard shortcut to do this while 
>> I work?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 11:29:53 AM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Please post your feedback and any issues for Streams here or on github: 
>>> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>>>
>>> Demo: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>>> Before posting a bug report please make sure you have the latest version 
>>> of the plugin from the above link.
>>>
>>> Previous thread and background: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?oldui=1#!topic/tiddlywiki/KeVDndcnY0g%5B1-25%5D
>>>
>>> I am focusing only on bug reports for now until I have greater 
>>> availability. However, all feedback will be considered when further 
>>> development takes places. 
>>>
>>> The code needs a full review for consistency after the last major 
>>> refactoring in which fields were renamed among other changes, before new 
>>> features can be added.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: how to process the newline mark as the normal text?

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 6:02:30 AM UTC-7, imleg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Normally when I type `enter` newline mark in the tiddlywiki it will be 
> render as none. Double `enter` will be render as one newline mark in the 
> tiddlywiki. How to make just one enter to one enter just like normal text 
> editor?
>

By default, TiddlyWiki content uses standard HTML formatting for newlines; 
i.e., text is automatically "flowed" and word-wrapped without regard to 
embedded newlines.  Unlike HTML, TiddlyWiki uses a doubled newline to 
indicate a paragraph break (HTML uses a  tag for this purpose).  There 
are several ways to bypass this automatic formatting.

See https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS for one method.  
You can apply a CSS "white-space" attribute to any section of text you like.

For example, to "preserve" all whitespace as-is, you can write:

...your content here...


You can also use TiddlyWiki wikitext syntax to achieve a similar (but not 
identical) result:
```
This text is multi-line and preserves all whitespace.
It also uses a fixed width font (like a typewriter)
and surrounds the content with a border and background 
```

Hope this helps...

enjoy,
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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Saq Imtiaz]

Ken, Streams does't change the default behaviour of autosave in any manner.

Are you using the single file version of TiddlyWiki, or node.js?

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:16:21 PM UTC+2, Ken Gray wrote:
>
> I have 1.1.15 but my 'autosave' still doesn't work.  when I create a new 
> item in a tiddler, it doesn't save.  however, when I create a new tiddler, 
> it autosaves as expected. 
> if not a way at this time, is there a keyboard shortcut to do this while I 
> work?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 11:29:53 AM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Please post your feedback and any issues for Streams here or on github: 
>> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>>
>> Demo: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>> Before posting a bug report please make sure you have the latest version 
>> of the plugin from the above link.
>>
>> Previous thread and background: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?oldui=1#!topic/tiddlywiki/KeVDndcnY0g%5B1-25%5D
>>
>> I am focusing only on bug reports for now until I have greater 
>> availability. However, all feedback will be considered when further 
>> development takes places. 
>>
>> The code needs a full review for consistency after the last major 
>> refactoring in which fields were renamed among other changes, before new 
>> features can be added.
>>
>

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[tw5] How can you make a Q&A form in Tiddlywiki?

[jin]

I want to implement Q&A exercises on my TW where it shows if what I typed 
or clicked was correct or not. How can I achieve this?

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[tw5] Re: Save a file in tiddlywiki (nodejs) file server through the wiki itself?

[Saq Imtiaz]

There is a proof of concept of a plugin that allows you to import binary 
files to the files folder:

https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/sandbox.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2FNodeJSExternalFiles

What's missing is better error handling and the ability to specify a path 
within the files folder.

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:38:50 PM UTC+2, demon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> So I found out that nodejs tiddlywiki has a simple file server 
> in
>  
> it which can be used to store and link large files (images, pdfs etc). 
> However, now the only "issue" is how to save those files into the file 
> server itself. Of course I can just push a file there via sftp or whatever, 
> but it seems convoluted and breaks my workflow.
>
> Is there a way (plugin?) that allows me to save a file from my computer 
> into the tiddlywiki file server (mywiki/files folder in server) without 
> using external tools? Like, it would be great if I could just drag-and-drop 
> a file on my wiki and *pop *it appears in my wiki/files folder. Or maybe 
> through the import tiddler or something...
>

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[tw5] Save a file in tiddlywiki (nodejs) file server through the wiki itself?

[demon...@gmail.com]

So I found out that nodejs tiddlywiki has a simple file server 
in
 
it which can be used to store and link large files (images, pdfs etc). 
However, now the only "issue" is how to save those files into the file 
server itself. Of course I can just push a file there via sftp or whatever, 
but it seems convoluted and breaks my workflow.

Is there a way (plugin?) that allows me to save a file from my computer 
into the tiddlywiki file server (mywiki/files folder in server) without 
using external tools? Like, it would be great if I could just drag-and-drop 
a file on my wiki and *pop *it appears in my wiki/files folder. Or maybe 
through the import tiddler or something...

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Ken Gray]

I have 1.1.15 but my 'autosave' still doesn't work.  when I create a new 
item in a tiddler, it doesn't save.  however, when I create a new tiddler, 
it autosaves as expected. 
if not a way at this time, is there a keyboard shortcut to do this while I 
work?

Thanks!

On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 11:29:53 AM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Please post your feedback and any issues for Streams here or on github: 
> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>
> Demo: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
> Before posting a bug report please make sure you have the latest version 
> of the plugin from the above link.
>
> Previous thread and background: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?oldui=1#!topic/tiddlywiki/KeVDndcnY0g%5B1-25%5D
>
> I am focusing only on bug reports for now until I have greater 
> availability. However, all feedback will be considered when further 
> development takes places. 
>
> The code needs a full review for consistency after the last major 
> refactoring in which fields were renamed among other changes, before new 
> features can be added.
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[tw5] how to process the newline mark as the normal text?

[imleg...@gmail.com]

Normally when I type `enter` newline mark in the tiddlywiki it will be 
render as none. Double `enter` will be render as one newline mark in the 
tiddlywiki. How to make just one enter to one enter just like normal text 
editor?

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Re: [tw5] Re: I have a cool idea, not sure how to go about it

[David Gifford]

Thanks Tone, I will check that out!


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:50 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> David,
>
> My time is limited so I though maybe a good place to start is with tiddly
> tables to organise the data, once you have the data you can alter the table
> or its settings for multiple views.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, 6 October 2020 00:38:34 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tones
>>
>> See my responses below
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 12:01:17 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I think I understand what you are suggesting and think what ever can
>>> help to capture and re-envision the content is an ideal place for
>>> tiddlywiki to operate it. I have read it multiple times.
>>>
>>> For clarification, in my words.
>>>
>>>- is a key part of this idea that new tiddlers can be created from
>>>the intersection of two or more "attributes of a tiddler", in this case 
>>> one
>>>or more tags/tags fields and or object-type in this case a definition?
>>>
>>>
>>>- Then in the new tiddler you can view information as it relates to
>>>this intersection?
>>>
>>> *Yes.*
>>
>>
>>> If I am correct here, may I suggest;
>>>
>>>- It may not be necessary to create said tiddler, more just a view
>>>that looks like a separate tiddler, until such time as you wish to store
>>>something unique for that "intersection" or relationship.
>>>
>>>
>> *I was thinking more along the lines of a printable report generated by a
>> control panel, like this:*
>>
>> *A control panel with 3 sections:*
>> 1. Choose topic (from a dropdown similar to the tag dropdown?), click
>> button.
>> 2. Choose format, click button.
>> 3. Choose both a topic and a format. click button.
>>
>> *Option 1: a new tiddler is created.*
>> Title: [Topic], organized by [format]
>> Text: List of tiddlers tagged with [Topic], sort [Format] display
>> [Format] as heading, list or transclude tiddlers with [Topic] and [that
>> format] under heading, display next [Format] as heading, list or transclude
>> tiddlers tagged with [Topic] and [Second format] under heading, etc
>>
>> *Option 2: *same as 1, but with topic and format inverted
>>
>> *Option 3: *
>> Title: [Topic], [Format] (or something like this)
>> simple list of tiddlers tagged with that topic and that format.
>>
>> *Two examples of report for option 1:*
>>
>> Title: Birds, organized by formats
>> Text:
>> !!!Links
>>  = Link to National Audubon Society
>>  = Link to eBird.org
>> !!! Reflection questions
>>  = Why are birds so weird?
>>  = How can we monetize birds?
>>
>> Title: Breakfast recipes, organized by main ingredient
>> Text:
>> !!!Eggs
>> * [[Ham and cheese omelette]]
>> * [[Eggs sunny side up]]
>> !!!Carbs
>> *[[Tamales]]
>> !!!Vegetables
>> *[[Huarache de nopal]]
>>
>> *Notes:*
>> a) you can just dump an idea in a tiddler and tag with both kinds of
>> tags. No organizing.
>> b) Later, you can automatically see your information, sorted.
>> c) Bonus points if the user can create their own [1] and [2] filters
>> (instead of [Topic] and [Format], could be [Book topic] and [Book format],
>> [Century] and [Location] (to orgz historical people and events), photos
>> sorted by [Year] and [Location], etc.
>> d) Bonus points if th user can grow a list of choices for those filters
>> (rather than have to add them at the beginning once, and then is locked in
>> and can't add "Tamales" later)
>> e) Seems like all this is doable in TiddlyWiki. I know that tiddlers can
>> be sorted in this way in a list filter, complicated though it may be, so
>> there must be a way to filter/input by one or two criteria (tagged x and
>> tagged y) and press a button to generate a pdf-able list for, example,
>> sharing.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I tend to be a little more abstract in my thinking and try to design for
>>> maximum flexibility, so I am inspired by your idea but have not quite
>>> digested the full picture yet. Once I do I may be able to make a
>>> mechanism or set of mechanism's that let you achieve what you want, but the
>>> will offer a broader set of possibilities.
>>>
>>> In many ways what you are asking seems to be a way of viewing the
>>> results of organising tiddlers with two or more attributes?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 5 October 2020 07:22:47 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi positiv... no worries, if you don't have internal motivation by
 reading the steps I already put, maybe someone else will. I think my
 description was clear enough. But here is a second try.

 1. Content creators
 a. Create tiddler
 b. tag with topic "Botany" and with format "Definitions" (and perhaps
 there are two tag fields in edit mode, one for topics, one for formats. I
 mentioned that Gen tags already does this.
 c. Add text "Botany is the science of bots - robots, nanobots, etc" and
 save tiddler.
 d. And so the content creators can 'dump' individual notes quickly that
 show up automatically i

Re: [tw5] Re: I have a cool idea, not sure how to go about it

[David Gifford]

Wow, bimlas, that is cool! Whether or not it's a good fit for my question
will take more investigation, but either way, I will definitely want to
study this a bit and see what I can learn from it. Thank you for sharing!



On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:16 AM bimlas  wrote:

> David,
>
> It doesn’t completely give you a solution to what you’ve written, but
> maybe they can bring you closer to the solution:
>
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/demo//tw5/property-comparison.html -> scroll
> down to Hamburger and Macaroni
>
> https://youtu.be/vqSKjafeZyE?t=130 -> see
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/ for details
>
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[tw5] Re: A plugin for diagrams and figures?

[jin]

I'll try this during the weekend, thank you!

On Tuesday, 6 October 2020 at 19:06:26 UTC+8 TW Tones wrote:

> Jin,
>
> There are a number of graphics and flow chart tools for tiddlywiki, but 
> you can use any tool that produces and output that tiddlywiki can use. You 
> could learn SVG or get a free tool like inkscape to create and edit SVG 
> files which by their nature can be small for simple circle, conic sections 
> and other math related you may look at latex and other addins.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Monday, 5 October 2020 18:40:24 UTC+11, jin wrote:
>>
>> Our classes officially started today and I wanted to take notes in TW 
>> however there are diagrams, figures in some subjects like a simple circle, 
>> conic sections and other math related and I was wondering if there's like a 
>> plugin for this because its such a hassle to import pictures but if not 
>> then I will stick to importing
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: XMLhttpRequest Errors

[bimlas]

Rika,

>  i'm getting 3 XMLhttpRequest errors when my page loads

I just got this error these days when I split the single HTML into separate 
files . For me, the solution was to 
delete $:/config/tiddlyweb/host tiddler.

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[tw5] Re: Git Ignoring $__StoryList.tid

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 12:17:32 AM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Does the publish filter only exist if you define it?
>

yes.
 

> I have always had trouble finding where it was defined :) 
>
Perhaps it would be better as {{$:/config/publishFilter}} and editable 
> somewhere.
>

In $:/core/save/all, saveTiddlerFilter() is defined as a macro whose value 
is passed
along to a subsequent filter action as part of the TWCore saver handler and 
thus
needs to be a fully expanded sequence of filter runs.

Using $(publishFilter)$ does a "string replace" to assemble the full filter 
syntax.

However... it occurs to me that it might be possible to use 
[subfilter{$:/config/PublishFilter}]
which *should* produce the same effect without relying upon a global macro 
definition.

-e

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[tw5] Re: XMLhttpRequest Errors

[Jed Carty]

The problem here is that the build is including the server plugins, 
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/filesystem and $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb. I am 
not sure how to get around this, hopefully someone else on here has the 
answer.

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 1:21:52 AM UTC+2 rika.s...@gmail.com wrote:

> hi! i'm getting 3 XMLhttpRequest errors when my page loads. You can see 
> the errors here: www.rikasukenik.com
>
> the errors appeared after I made the below updates to my tiddliwiki.info 
> file. I made the edits because I had an issue yesterday with site 
> non-responsiveness after using --build static. Javascript was not included 
> in the static html file. I got some guidance to add a test command, but now 
> I'm getting these XMLhttpRequest errors. 
>
> I appreciate some eyes on this problem! thank you!
>
> "test": [
>  "--rendertiddler",
>  "$:/core/save/all",
>  "index.html",
>  "text/plain",
>  "--rendertiddler",
>  "$:/core/templates/static.template.css",
>  "static/static.css",
>  "text/plain"
>

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[tw5] Re: I have a cool idea, not sure how to go about it

[TW Tones]

David,

My time is limited so I though maybe a good place to start is with tiddly 
tables to organise the data, once you have the data you can alter the table 
or its settings for multiple views.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, 6 October 2020 00:38:34 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Tones
>
> See my responses below
>
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 12:01:17 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I think I understand what you are suggesting and think what ever can help 
>> to capture and re-envision the content is an ideal place for tiddlywiki to 
>> operate it. I have read it multiple times.
>>
>> For clarification, in my words.
>>
>>- is a key part of this idea that new tiddlers can be created from 
>>the intersection of two or more "attributes of a tiddler", in this case 
>> one 
>>or more tags/tags fields and or object-type in this case a definition? 
>>
>>
>>- Then in the new tiddler you can view information as it relates to 
>>this intersection?
>>
>> *Yes.*
>  
>
>> If I am correct here, may I suggest;
>>
>>- It may not be necessary to create said tiddler, more just a view 
>>that looks like a separate tiddler, until such time as you wish to store 
>>something unique for that "intersection" or relationship.
>>
>>
> *I was thinking more along the lines of a printable report generated by a 
> control panel, like this:*
>
> *A control panel with 3 sections:*
> 1. Choose topic (from a dropdown similar to the tag dropdown?), click 
> button.
> 2. Choose format, click button.
> 3. Choose both a topic and a format. click button.
>
> *Option 1: a new tiddler is created.*
> Title: [Topic], organized by [format]
> Text: List of tiddlers tagged with [Topic], sort [Format] display [Format] 
> as heading, list or transclude tiddlers with [Topic] and [that format] 
> under heading, display next [Format] as heading, list or transclude 
> tiddlers tagged with [Topic] and [Second format] under heading, etc
>
> *Option 2: *same as 1, but with topic and format inverted
>
> *Option 3: *
> Title: [Topic], [Format] (or something like this)
> simple list of tiddlers tagged with that topic and that format.
>
> *Two examples of report for option 1:*
>
> Title: Birds, organized by formats
> Text:
> !!!Links 
>  = Link to National Audubon Society
>  = Link to eBird.org
> !!! Reflection questions
>  = Why are birds so weird?
>  = How can we monetize birds?
>
> Title: Breakfast recipes, organized by main ingredient
> Text:
> !!!Eggs
> * [[Ham and cheese omelette]]
> * [[Eggs sunny side up]]
> !!!Carbs
> *[[Tamales]]
> !!!Vegetables
> *[[Huarache de nopal]]
>
> *Notes:*
> a) you can just dump an idea in a tiddler and tag with both kinds of tags. 
> No organizing.
> b) Later, you can automatically see your information, sorted.
> c) Bonus points if the user can create their own [1] and [2] filters 
> (instead of [Topic] and [Format], could be [Book topic] and [Book format], 
> [Century] and [Location] (to orgz historical people and events), photos 
> sorted by [Year] and [Location], etc. 
> d) Bonus points if th user can grow a list of choices for those filters 
> (rather than have to add them at the beginning once, and then is locked in 
> and can't add "Tamales" later)
> e) Seems like all this is doable in TiddlyWiki. I know that tiddlers can 
> be sorted in this way in a list filter, complicated though it may be, so 
> there must be a way to filter/input by one or two criteria (tagged x and 
> tagged y) and press a button to generate a pdf-able list for, example, 
> sharing.
>
>  
>
>> I tend to be a little more abstract in my thinking and try to design for 
>> maximum flexibility, so I am inspired by your idea but have not quite 
>> digested the full picture yet. Once I do I may be able to make a 
>> mechanism or set of mechanism's that let you achieve what you want, but the 
>> will offer a broader set of possibilities.
>>
>> In many ways what you are asking seems to be a way of viewing the results 
>> of organising tiddlers with two or more attributes?
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 5 October 2020 07:22:47 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi positiv... no worries, if you don't have internal motivation by 
>>> reading the steps I already put, maybe someone else will. I think my 
>>> description was clear enough. But here is a second try.
>>>
>>> 1. Content creators
>>> a. Create tiddler
>>> b. tag with topic "Botany" and with format "Definitions" (and perhaps 
>>> there are two tag fields in edit mode, one for topics, one for formats. I 
>>> mentioned that Gen tags already does this.
>>> c. Add text "Botany is the science of bots - robots, nanobots, etc" and 
>>> save tiddler.
>>> d. And so the content creators can 'dump' individual notes quickly that 
>>> show up automatically in any revelant topics AND any relevant formats.
>>>
>>> 2. End user (I will upload file to Internet for users to consult)
>>> a. Filters and chooses a topic from a dropdown list, similar

[tw5] Just for fun - sort macro to sort a set of lines optional challenge.

[TW Tones]

Folks,

I have long wanted a replacement for an editor toolbar button, in TWV in 
QuickEdit to quickly sort some lines;

I just realised we can do this on the fly with a macro, not how by default 
it creates a link

Alternatively we can add inside each list
<$text text=<>




\define sort(text order:"a-z")
<$list filter="[[$order$]match[a-z]] [[$order$]match[a]]" variable=nul>
   <$list filter="[[$text$]splitregexp[\n]sort[]]">

   

<$list filter="[[$order$]match[z-a]] [[$order$]match[z]]" variable=nul>
   <$list filter="[[$text$]splitregexp[\n]!sort[]]">

   
<$list filter="[[$order$]match[n]] [[$order$]match[z]]" variable=nul>
   <$list filter="[[$text$]splitregexp[\n]nsort[]]">

   

\end


<>

This can't handle bullets etc.. eg *

If you want a learning task consider

   - what are the parameter which is the default?
   - Allow a click to copy the result to the clipboard.
   - Build a EditorToolbar button to sort and replace selected text 
   (Challenge)

Regards
Tones

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[tw5] Re: Git Ignoring $__StoryList.tid

[TW Tones]

Eric,

Does the publish filter only exist if you define it?

I have always had trouble finding where it was defined :) 

Perhaps it would be better as {{$:/config/publishFilter}} and editable 
somewhere.

Tones

On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 16:25:14 UTC+11, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 9:36:11 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> ...you can exclude tiddlers from the save process in single files.
>> You can see the filter in $:/core/save/all
>> [is[tiddler]] -[prefix[$:/state/popup/]] -[[$:/HistoryList]] 
>> -[[$:/boot/boot.css]] -[type[application/javascript]library[yes]] 
>> -[[$:/boot/boot.js]] -[[$:/boot/bootprefix.js]] +[sort[title]] 
>> $(publishFilter)$
>> and add -[[$:/storyList]]
>>
>
>
> Take note of the $(publishFilter)$ syntax at the end of the list of 
> filters.
> This allows you to add custom filters to $:/core/save/all without 
> modifying the shadow tiddler.
>
> Just create any tiddler (e.g., "MyPublishFilter"), tagged with 
> $:/tags/Macro, containing:
> \define publishFilter() -[[$:/StoryList]]
>
> -e
>
>
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: I have a cool idea, not sure how to go about it

[bimlas]

David,

It doesn’t completely give you a solution to what you’ve written, but maybe 
they can bring you closer to the solution: 

https://bimlas.gitlab.io/demo//tw5/property-comparison.html -> scroll down 
to Hamburger and Macaroni

https://youtu.be/vqSKjafeZyE?t=130 -> 
see https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/ for details

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[tw5] Re: Auto Save Wiki

[TW Tones]

Bob,

Is the standard immediate autosave not enough?

See $:/ControlPanel > Saving > General

If the wiki is large some people prefer the save on exit and not before, 
but clearly not your user. 

If they never actually need to save, but they make changes that cause the 
save to be requested I have other solutions

Regards
Tones

On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 15:56:44 UTC+11, Bob Jansen wrote:
>
> Is there a way to Auto Save a wiki file, after say, a specified time 
> period? My trial user has complained of the current method and especially 
> the Leave Page... message which meant nothing to her until I explained it. 
> She has lost several periods of data changes so far and is not happy.
>
> This also might affect or be affected by,  my previous question about not 
> seeing the Leave Page message if I selected a new URL from the Bookmarks 
> Bar.
>
> bobj
>

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[tw5] Re: content of another tidder copy in tiddler

[Gerald Weis]

Hi Tones i found it.

it was an writing-error.

It would be quite safe to habe a selectionfield where i can select the 
content of the field "Sache" 
I should be like to eliminate writing-errors in the field "Sache".
The selection-field should be replace the textfield "Sache" 
But i can't it.
TW Tones schrieb am Mittwoch, 7. Oktober 2020 um 08:37:47 UTC+2:

> Gerald,
>
> It would be better if you packaged a set of tiddlers that if installed on 
> tiddlywiki.com demonstrate the fault and contains all necessary 
> components.
>
> Of course if you speak German there will be speakers here sooner or later.
>
> I see macros that do not exist and can only imagine what they are without 
> being able to understand their names.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 16:58:55 UTC+11, Gerald Weis wrote:
>>
>> hi Tones
>>
>> i call in thetemplate a macro an create a table.
>> this shoud be contained in the new tiddler.
>> thats my problem
>>
>> the content of the template:
>>
>> 
>> <>
>> <>
>> 
>>
>> on this way are all of the templates
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> TW Tones schrieb am Dienstag, 6. Oktober 2020 um 13:20:16 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Gerald, is caption="$Sache$ - $Jahr$" in the create tiddler widget not 
>>> working for you?
>>>
>>> By the way I avoid caps in parameters or they become another possible 
>>> error, but this looks correct.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 6 October 2020 18:27:23 UTC+11, Gerald Weis wrote:

 Now Folks i have found the error
 the templatename was fail.

 But now i want to insert the field "caption" in the tiddler 
 The kontent of the field schoud bie $Sache$ - $Jahr$
 i can't find the way to do.


 Gerald Weis schrieb am Montag, 5. Oktober 2020 um 13:19:32 UTC+2:

>
> Hi Folks,
>
> i have cloned an tiddler.
> but ths works not fine.
>
> Title and tags are done
> Content no
>
> this is the code for this action
>
> \define NeuerZyklus(Kennzeichen Sache Jahr)
> <$button>''$Sache$''Jahr - ''$Jahr$''
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="$Sache$ - $Jahr$" 
> tags="[[$Kennzeichen$]] [[$Sache$]]" text={{$Kennzeichen$-$Sache$ - 
> Jahr}} 
> />
> 
> \end
>
> <$vars ph="Geben Sie den Text für den Tiddler ein">
> Sache:<$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/Sache" tag=input 
> size=50 placeHolder=<> default="Sache"/>
> Kennzeichen: <$edit-text 
> tiddler="$:/temp/Kennzeichen" tag=input size=50  placeHolder=<> 
> default="Kennzeichen"/>
> Jahr:<$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/Jahr" tag=input 
> size=10 placeHolder=<> default="2020"/>
> 
>
> <$macrocall $name=NeuerZyklus Kennzeichen={{$:/temp/Kennzeichen}}  
> Sache={{$:/temp/Sache}} Jahr={{$:/temp/Jahr}} />
>
> How i can the content of the template in this tiddler?
>
> Important: i'm using more then one template.
>
> In this wiki it are three
>
> one for gasonlinetab
> one for sevices
> one for insurances
>
> thanks for help
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion issues

[TW Tones]

Bob,

First such a set of naming standards can help immediately by helping you 
keep track, but its also easier to bundle, transfer and share, and people 
hepling you can workout the components by looking at the tiddler titles.

On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 16:50:40 UTC+11, Bob Jansen wrote:

> just seeking some clarification.
>

sure 

>
> 1. All macros are stored in the text field of the tiddler 
> $:/bobj/gallery-ops/macros and this tiddler has the tag $:/tags/Macro or is 
> each macro stored in a separate tiddler named 
> $:/bobj/gallery-ops/name_of_macro with the tag $:/tags/Macro
>
   and this tiddler has the tag $:/tags/Macro or is each macro stored in a 
separate tiddler named $:/bobj/gallery-ops/name_of_macro with the tag 
$:/tags/Macro

One tiddler "$:/bobj/gallery-ops/macros" is fine as long as they are each 
single line or terminated with \end 
Incidentally after the last definition you can see the standard content and 
you can use there to document your own macros. Apparently this additional 
content is not included when generating the macros.

But you choose how to organise them. one or many

There is now an alternate tag that is a little more specific 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#SystemTag%3A%20%24%3A%2Ftags%2FMacro%2FView


> 2. I assume all view templates would be renamed to have the prefix 
>  $:/bobj/gallery-ops/ and remain tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate
>

Yes, that makes sense because you only normally see view templates as they 
are displayed.

Using system tiddlers hides them by default from searches, they don't come 
up in recent.
 

>
> 3. What do you mean by 'You can then collect code into functional tiddlers'
>


   - Well the tiddler titles are within the project they belong to, without 
   using tags and have meaningfull and somewhat invariant names.
   - [prefix[$:/bobj/gallery-ops]] will list them all
   - All macros will be found in the same tiddler for each project or at 
   least have macros in the title
   - The tiddler viewTemplate perhaps even editTemplate will be clearly 
   named as such and that is where you find their content

By using such a standard I now have a large library of projects and have 
written another project designed to work with the project tiddlers.

I have attached an unpublished solution which gives an example, add it to 
tiddlywiki.com It creates to buttons that allow you to open tiddlers in 
full view (includes view template not just content)  or edit mode in a 
window,

After importing rename $:/import to any name to keep the list of tiddler 
and explore to see examples of how I organise (this is by no means complete)
Edit $:/PSaT/new-windows and look at the fields which define each project.

Not in the attached package but in others for example I include 
$:/PSaT/project-name/helper containing a set of macros I use in multiple 
projects;

Rather than make them global I use; 
\import $:/PSaT/project-name/helper
See here https://tiddlywiki.com/#ImportVariablesWidget

Regards
Tones

bobj
>
> On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 at 15:30:33 UTC+11 Bob Jansen wrote:
>
>> Tones, Saq and Joshua,
>>
>> Thank you for all your help. My code now works as expected so I can move 
>> forward to the next 'obstacle' :-)
>>
>> bobj
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 at 15:28:44 UTC+11 Bob Jansen wrote:
>>
>>> Tones,
>>> Sounds interesting as a way for me to provide an update mechanism for my 
>>> TW users. I will study what you say and make changes accordingly.
>>>
>>> bobj
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 7 October 2020 at 15:17:41 UTC+11 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Bob,

 Lest say you choose a name bobj

 It would serve you well to put macros in a tiddler 
 $:/bobj/project-name/macros and tag it macros

 In this case the project-name may be gallary-ops

 So it you were using a viewTemplate it would be called 
 $:/bobj/gallary-ops/viewTemplate

 This not only allows you to build the solution with a distinct set of 
 hidden system tiddlers for code etc but allows you to list export them as 
 [prefix[$:/bobj/gallary-ops]] and apply to another wiki.

 You can then collect code into functional tiddlers and help those 
 debugging look for macros etc.. in the correct place by tiddler title.

 Additional filters in a single tiddler could also list all relevant 
 tiddlers. Rather than tagging exhibitions artworks consignments etc.. 
 set a field object-type to each of these values. You can then list them 
 with a filter [object-type[artworks]] and save tags for ad hoc 
 organisation.

 Regards
 Tony

 On Monday, 5 October 2020 17:05:50 UTC+11, Bob Jansen wrote:

> I am trying to implement a simple function in my TW.
>
> 
> <$button>
> <$list filter="[tag[Mark]]">
>  
>  
><$action-setfield 
>$field="exhibition_id" 
>$value={{{ [{!!exhibition_id}addsuffix[ 
> ]addsuffix{$:

[tw5] Re: General discussion: How do you use tags? (The philosophy of tags)

[bimlas]

Si,

Lately, I’ve been almost completely ignoring tags, I prefer links 
everywhere, because all that really matters is that two notes are related 
to each other, not necessarily how they relate to the relationship. The 
surrounding text explains how they relate. Further explanation:

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Re11x96t-qI/m/GYuMKHx0AQAJ

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