date:20201029

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:03:48 PM UTC-7, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>
> What I am looking for is some ways to set an ACL / OAuth / Password based 
> login, that makes sure everyone can read my public data - but can't 
> vandalise it.
>

By default, when your TiddlyWiki document is posted on-line anyone can read 
it, and they can edit it, and download it (with any changes they've made), 
but they can't *save* it on-line unless you've installed specific scripts 
on the server or are using hosting such as GitHub Pages... and even then, 
they'd need your ID and Password / OAuth / AccessToken, which is only 
stored in *your* browser (using Local Storage), which permits *you* to save 
changes online without re-entering your ID and PW, but won't let anyone 
else save online.

For example, "Inside TiddlyWiki" (http://TiddlyTools.com/InsideTW/) can be 
viewed by anyone, but only I can change the online version.

Note: Inside TiddlyWiki also has a custom-built "locked/unlock" toggle 
that, by default, hides the admin/editing functions to give a simplified 
"read-only" experience; however, even when "unlocked", visitors cannot 
*save* back to the online copy.

-e

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

2020-10-29 Thread AndrewMc

Eric, is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?

Cheers, Andrew Mc

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 8:29:57 PM UTC+13 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-7, FFT wrote:
>>
>> Site is working once again.
>>
>
> Note that TiddlySpot is currently READ-ONLY.
>
> You can access your TiddlySpot site(s), but you cannot save any updates to 
> TiddlySpot.  In addition, neither the download link (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/download) nor the backup directory (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/backup) are available.
>
> To save a local copy of your TiddlySpot site, open the $:/ControlPanel 
> "Saving", "TiddlySpot Saver" tab and clear the Wiki Name and/or Password 
> input.  Then, when you press the save button in the sidebar, it will 
> trigger the TWCore standard "Download Saver" handling.
>
> -e
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 8:51:27 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I remember this kind of table code being discussed once in a Google 
> Hangout years ago, then it was never mentioned again there or here.
>

That's right. It spooked around in my head for a long time. ... I'm 
developing a new plugin with Tony and TT that is close to (prime) beta time.
So there will be an announcement sooner than later ;)

> Yes, that would definitely solve the problem!
>

The idea is intended for tables cells with "some text" and also for "block 
mode" text like bullet lists. .. It's possible to transclude tiddlers, if 
you need cells with much text. 

It should be easier to use with copy/paste than "traditional" TW tables.

> One question: would » in the cell text break the table? Just wondering 
> since  «  and  »  is what Spanish uses for quoted text. They don't 
> normally use our English " and ".
>

There are different markers (glyphs). But as long as » isn't at the start 
of the line there shouldn't be a conflict. 

The whole thing should be very flexible. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] TW for Digital Garden

2020-10-29 Thread Hiran Venugopalan


Hi, 
 
I am someone new to TW, and after 2-3 days of search and research, I find 
TW as a potential way of building a public Zettel / Digital Garden. 

I am currently stuck at one requirement - I want this TW instance to be 
public (anyone can read), but only editable for me. I tried with the 
password, but that's blocking read mode. Is there any way to do this?  

What I am looking for is some ways to set an ACL / OAuth / Password based 
login, that makes sure everyone can read my public data - but can't 
vandalise it.

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

Thank you Tones!
In google group, there is a three dots at the right edge and I cannot see a 
button let me edit the subject/content of a post has been sent to the 
group! By the way I appreciate if you kindly explain me how you edit such a 
posts.

Thank you again
-- Atro

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:25:57 AM UTC+3:30 TW Tones wrote:

> Atronoush,
>
>
> On Friday, 30 October 2020 04:16:48 UTC+11, Atronoush wrote:
>>
>> When the message is posted, there is no way to edit and correct!
>> It is tons! Thank you for correcting me!
>>
>
> As the original poster you can edit your post, not only that if you look 
> carefully, there is a separate link to edit subject. 
>
> This is Tones Speaking of course, we Australians write tonne
>
> :)
>
> Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

2020-10-29 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

You can set up saving with github and also github pages and then have a 
system that works very similar to TS. BUT (there's always a "but") it's 
more complicated to set up in the first place and you should set up the 
saver to use a personal access token and *not* your GH password. That token 
will be long and tedious to enter when you are at a guest computer that 
won't let you access a USB device. Hmm ... I guess if you have something 
like Google Drive you can use it to store your passcode so you don't have 
to type it all by hand.

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 2:46:24 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>
> Tones and all,
>
> I'd love to hear from others if there's any cloud storage that offers as 
> much portability as tiddlyspot.
>
> If I'm on a public or institutional computer (like a library kiosk with a 
> browser, or a university's lecture-hall computer), it seems dropbox can't 
> work, because dropbox requires me to download the file before it can be 
> properly loaded in a browser (and these institutional machines are not 
> friendly to downloads).
>
> I assume that's equally true of these other cloud solutions like 
> sharepoint and AWS, yes? (Like dropbox, they may have one-click ways to 
> "preview" html files, but not to actually open them.)
>
> Is there any solution besides tiddlyspot that can work well in such 
> situations -- at LEAST for read access on the road, if not for editing -- 
> and that doesn't require me to have an Apache server at my disposal?
>
> -Springer
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 8:50:22 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Surya,
>>
>> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>>
>> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
>> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>>
>> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
>> there are more.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi :-)))
>>>
>>> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
>>> possibility is grey for me :-(
>>> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>>>
>>> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
>>> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>>>
>>> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
>>> guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
>>> Good luck to all!
>>> Surya
>>>
>>> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>>>


 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of 
>> accessing my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other 
>> solution.
>>
>
> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
> theme...
>
>
 Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
 it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide 
 "data 
 guaranteed" rights.

 Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
 They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
 into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
 page ;-)



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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

David,

I agree, In fact Mario's answer is in fact the same thing wrapped inside 
some custom wiki text. 

You can see it follows a similar structure which is easier to write, rather 
than "compressed" using the | symbols.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, 30 October 2020 10:09:38 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Tones. Yeah, I like HTML tables versatility (individually colored 
> cells!) but Mario's approach looks cleaner.
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:38:04 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I know where Mario is coming from with his suggestion, and its closer 
>> than you think,
>>
>> However personally I have extended my skills into html tables and are 
>> very happy there. No microscope needed, and when I get to make use of the 
>> technology Mario is discussing that will as easy as well, even identical if 
>> desired. 
>>
>> Using html tables allows you to introduce any feature also available in 
>> HTML tables from paging, to overflow, reordering etc.. 
>>
>> Mohammads +, table tools would only need a little tweak to get what you 
>> want.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 30 October 2020 06:51:27 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> I remember this kind of table code being discussed once in a Google 
>>> Hangout years ago, then it was never mentioned again there or here.
>>>
>>> Yes, that would definitely solve the problem!
>>>
>>> One question: would » in the cell text break the table? Just wondering 
>>> since  «  and  »  is what Spanish uses for quoted text. They don't 
>>> normally use our English " and ".
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:38:16 PM UTC-6 PMario wrote:
>>>
 Hi
 It would need better CSS, but I think you get the idea.
 -mario

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

2020-10-29 Thread Sean Boyle

Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, then 
are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it works 
reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable ways 
of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:

> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and GANTT 
> do not.
>
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>>  , 
>> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
>> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
>> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Sean
>>>
>>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
>>> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>>
>>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
>>> graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
>>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
>>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a method 
>>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>>
>>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
>>> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. 
>>> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>>
>>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
>>> encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there and 
>>> functional.
>>>
>>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Modal question (last question today, I promise)

Hi all

Any way to add a link to the tiddler after the title of the tiddler in a 
modal? Or render the title as a link?

I would like to make more use of modals, but I know some users will want to 
click on a link in the modal to open up the actual tiddler, so they can 
print, drag, edit, etc.

I know it's as simple as copying the title and putting it in the search 
window, but some people will not pick up on that...

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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

Thanks Tones. Yeah, I like HTML tables versatility (individually colored 
cells!) but Mario's approach looks cleaner.

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:38:04 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:

> David,
>
> I know where Mario is coming from with his suggestion, and its closer than 
> you think,
>
> However personally I have extended my skills into html tables and are very 
> happy there. No microscope needed, and when I get to make use of the 
> technology Mario is discussing that will as easy as well, even identical if 
> desired. 
>
> Using html tables allows you to introduce any feature also available in 
> HTML tables from paging, to overflow, reordering etc.. 
>
> Mohammads +, table tools would only need a little tweak to get what you 
> want.
>
> Tones
>
>
> On Friday, 30 October 2020 06:51:27 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> I remember this kind of table code being discussed once in a Google 
>> Hangout years ago, then it was never mentioned again there or here.
>>
>> Yes, that would definitely solve the problem!
>>
>> One question: would » in the cell text break the table? Just wondering 
>> since  «  and  »  is what Spanish uses for quoted text. They don't 
>> normally use our English " and ".
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:38:16 PM UTC-6 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> It would need better CSS, but I think you get the idea.
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: New Google Group: View Starred Topics?

2020-10-29 Thread amreus

Quick update - there is now a "Starred conversations" item on the left in 
the new interface.


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[tw5] Re: confirmed working on private server (vps)

Amreus,

It is somewhat trivial to build a search that focuses on tiddlers prefixed 
$:/bookmark anyway, then the results in the search are restricted to actual 
bookmarks.

Tones

On Friday, 30 October 2020 08:39:01 UTC+11, amreus wrote:
>
> In the long run and particularly for the case of sharing bookmark 
> tiddlers, I think the web site titles need to be detached from tiddler 
> titles.  I don't like the idea of modifying titles to make them unique.  
> Also, sites may change their titles at any time where the site location 
> remains stable.  We are bookmarking the location not the site name.   It 
> makes some sense to me to use the url as part of the unique identifier, and 
> prefix tiddler titles with a system prefix such as $:/bookmark/.
>
> It may be less convenient this way to write filters and perform a search, 
> but its' just that - less convenient which is different than impossible.  
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:23:54 AM UTC-4 Atronoush wrote:
>
>> If you look at  https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip
>> you will see tiddlyclip smart enough to detect the duplicated title. If 
>> you bookmark the same webpage with different content it append the new text 
>> to previous bookmark tiddler
>> If the content is different it adds an ordinal number to title. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 12:18:39 AM UTC+3:30 amreus wrote:
>>
>>> I think there is a problem though with using the web site title as the 
>>> tiddler title. As you know, web site titles are not unique but tiddler 
>>> titles need to be unique.  For bookmarks, it is the url that should be used 
>>> as the unique id of the bookmark.
>>>
>>> So what's the solution to that? (Just looking for opinions.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:37:50 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:
>>>
 Sanitizing the characters [ ] { } | from the tiddler title is in the 
 dev branch, I just neglected to mention it.  



 On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:22:03 PM UTC-4 Atronoush wrote:

> Good improvement amreus!
>
>  Like Donald I also support the proposed idea on GitHub repo!
>
> One issue is about the title is used for tiddler, it is good to 
> resolve the issue of nasty character in tiddler title.
>
> Atro
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:43:20 PM UTC+3:30 amreus wrote:
>
>> Yes, please check out the dev branch 
>>  -  
>> that is the branch where I pushed some updates, including updated readme.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:06:06 AM UTC-4 
>> digit...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> edit to above I see the url is added a field.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Classic to TW5 Plugins

Alvin,

Adding to Erics response most of the reasons we needed plugins in TWC no 
longer exist, they are part of the core, but if not, there is a full suit 
of existing TW5 plugins and solutions.

Of course using TWC we tended to build a lot of bespoke solutions. These 
are easier to re-build in TW5 and introduce many new possibilities, usualy 
it can all be done with wikitext, macros, filters and variables without 
touching any Javascript or building plugins. TWC in TiddlyDesktop along 
with TW5 wikis is a handy way to go, then systematically move you code and 
content to a new wiki through a redesign process.

We can help you here!

Tones

On Friday, 30 October 2020 06:58:43 UTC+11, Alvin wrote:
>
>
> Looks like I'm going to have to move into modern times and start using 
> TiddlyWiki5. There were several plugins that I relied on before.  Is there 
> a way to find out which ones have been converted?  Thank you.
>

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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

David,

I know where Mario is coming from with his suggestion, and its closer than 
you think,

However personally I have extended my skills into html tables and are very 
happy there. No microscope needed, and when I get to make use of the 
technology Mario is discussing that will as easy as well, even identical if 
desired. 

Using html tables allows you to introduce any feature also available in 
HTML tables from paging, to overflow, reordering etc.. 

Mohammads +, table tools would only need a little tweak to get what you 
want.

Tones

On Friday, 30 October 2020 06:51:27 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I remember this kind of table code being discussed once in a Google 
> Hangout years ago, then it was never mentioned again there or here.
>
> Yes, that would definitely solve the problem!
>
> One question: would » in the cell text break the table? Just wondering 
> since  «  and  »  is what Spanish uses for quoted text. They don't 
> normally use our English " and ".
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:38:16 PM UTC-6 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> It would need better CSS, but I think you get the idea.
>> -mario
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Detect if sidebar breakpoint is reached

Shareda,

The trick is to find out how tiddlywiki already does it, and do similar.

   - See here https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel
   - and $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint which sets 
   the break point
   - Then search for $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint 
   in the advanced search system and shadows tabs.
   - Then we find its in the $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base which means 
   its theme dependant
   - This is possible all in the Page Template and uses standard html/css 
   but you could just use the value in 
   $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint if you want 
   depending on what you are trying to achieve.

Tones




On Friday, 30 October 2020 06:47:00 UTC+11, Shareda wrote:
>
> Hello! I'm using JD's Mobile Layout. The sidebar does not hide when I 
> click any navigate button, e.g. navigating to AdvancedSearch or my custom 
> buttons.
>
> I would like to use ActionSetFieldWidget inside of my buttons to hide the 
> sidebar if the breakpoint is reached. *How should I detect this 
> condition?*
>
> JD's Mob uses *Sidebar Breakpoint* set at *Control Panel *and standard 
> top bar buttons to show or hide the sidebar, so I think my question is 
> about common tiddlywiki features.
>

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[tw5] Re: Concerns from a non-tech newbie

Ivan,

Welcome to the infinite universe of TiddlyWiki.

I will just add to the above comments, that out of the box tiddlywiki 
single file is enough for most users however if you add a lot of imbedded 
files and media it all must load into memory. 
If you have a lot to add and you know it will get big, use some of the 
recommended approaches, however it is easy to migrate your data to a new 
wiki later so I recommend just getting started and see if the other aspects 
meet with your needs (it should, as tiddlywiki is a platform and very 
flexible). 

Please provide a link to obsidian or some features so we can respond.

For TiddlyWiki open on different windows at the same the best answer is Bob 
and Bobexe  for your local 
computer or the Local Area Network with a team, make sure you configure 
backups.

It is wise to consider your exit strategy, in fact that was a key reason I 
moved to tiddlywiki, Tiddlywiki is based on technologies which are less 
likely to fade in time than most solutions, at one point we had issues with 
savers and people obtained a compatible older version of browsers as 
portable apps and they were fine for a few more years, some people were so 
happy with this strategic solution they did not realise we had moved on, I 
now use timimi a lot to open and save wikis from my files on my local 
computer. Another trick is to build your own links wiki which will always 
try and open the one wiki in a named tab eg (HTML link) target="wikiname" 
so you do not end up with multiple instances open.

I also find dividing content between for purpose wikis one way to avoid 
large wikis, there is plenty of interwiki tools even indexing and search 
solutions.

The key question you may answer is why text files? because there are a lot 
of different answers to that question. I use a lot of text but I am happy 
to have it in tiddlers and not independent files.

Regards
Tones

On Friday, 30 October 2020 05:14:11 UTC+11, IvanPsy wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm evaluating TiddlyWiki over other txt based solutions (such as Obsidian 
> and similar), so I have some questions.
> My apologies if they are non-realistic questions: I'm not a tech :-)
>
> - How big can be a TiddlyWiki before slowing down or causing troubles when 
> opening it?
> I have some Gb on Apple Notes, since I store also images and long PDFs.
> My fear is storing all my stuff on a single file may slow down or causing 
> other troubles.
>
> - TiddlyWiki runs on HTML and Java, is it?
> What if the browsers discontinued them in the future, (as it happened to 
> Flash)?
> Is it a realistic scenario?
> I'm always looking for an exit plan.
> And: what if I wanted to export the tiddlers in different txt (or other 
> formats) files?
>
> - Can I have the same TiddlyWiki open on different windows at the same 
> time without having the two versions conflict each other?
> I'm used to work on many projects at the same time, so I usually have many 
> windows of Apple Notes open at the same time.
> How about TiddlyWiki?
>
> Thank you!
>

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[tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

Thanks, Strikke! 

I wrote my follow-up about the "personal-only" nature of the Tiddly Drive 
solution before seeing your note about twcloud. I'll check out twcloud as 
well.

Presumably twcloud is analogous to Tiddly Drive and has the same 
limitations, yes?  (= Good for personal use, but doesn't double as web 
host, doesn't offer permalink url convenience?)

-Springer

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:16:41 PM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> maybe you could use https://twcloud.github.io/
> It works well with dropbox and Firefox.
>
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

(OK, so it seems Tiddly Drive may work for personal TW5 portability even in 
institutional settings... BUT Tiddly Drive still is not a professional way 
to point *others* seamlessly to the whole project or permalink/permaview 
(tiddlyspot url links, how I will miss you!), since the google drive link 
presumably would not function for someone who doesn't have both google 
drive and TiddlyDrive, and we'd need to coach recipients through 
download-and-open-and-find, and/or using the "open with ... Tiddly Drive" 
dropdown.)

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:07:31 PM UTC-4 springer wrote:

> Ah, I'm just following up with something I learned some months ago (but 
> then forgot): TiddlyDrive makes it fairly friction-free to launch 
> tiddlywiki files from within the google drives interface, IF using Chrome. 
>
> So (pending further tests) I hope that as long as a kiosk/institutional 
> computer is running Chrome (and not prohibiting pop-ups?), I can load any 
> TW5 projects stored on google drive.
>
> That's how I'll try to roll, until and unless someone offers a better 
> (more seamless) suggestion.
>
> -Springer
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 5:46:24 PM UTC-4 springer wrote:
>
>> Tones and all,
>>
>> I'd love to hear from others if there's any cloud storage that offers as 
>> much portability as tiddlyspot.
>>
>> If I'm on a public or institutional computer (like a library kiosk with a 
>> browser, or a university's lecture-hall computer), it seems dropbox can't 
>> work, because dropbox requires me to download the file before it can be 
>> properly loaded in a browser (and these institutional machines are not 
>> friendly to downloads).
>>
>> I assume that's equally true of these other cloud solutions like 
>> sharepoint and AWS, yes? (Like dropbox, they may have one-click ways to 
>> "preview" html files, but not to actually open them.)
>>
>> Is there any solution besides tiddlyspot that can work well in such 
>> situations -- at LEAST for read access on the road, if not for editing -- 
>> and that doesn't require me to have an Apache server at my disposal?
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 8:50:22 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Surya,
>>>
>>> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>>>
>>> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
>>> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>>>
>>> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
>>> there are more.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:

 Hi :-)))

 @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
 possibility is grey for me :-(
 But he found, how he can contact me :-)

 And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
 So, I am really really happy for now!!

 But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
 guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
 Good luck to all!
 Surya

 Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:

>
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of 
>>> accessing my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other 
>>> solution.
>>>
>>
>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>> theme...
>>
>>
> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
> it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide 
> "data 
> guaranteed" rights.
>
> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a 
> fluke. They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, 
> moving them into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the 
> wikipedia page ;-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

2020-10-29 Thread Birthe C

maybe you could use https://twcloud.github.io/
It works well with dropbox and Firefox.



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[tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

Ah, I'm just following up with something I learned some months ago (but 
then forgot): TiddlyDrive makes it fairly friction-free to launch 
tiddlywiki files from within the google drives interface, IF using Chrome. 

So (pending further tests) I hope that as long as a kiosk/institutional 
computer is running Chrome (and not prohibiting pop-ups?), I can load any 
TW5 projects stored on google drive.

That's how I'll try to roll, until and unless someone offers a better (more 
seamless) suggestion.

-Springer

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 5:46:24 PM UTC-4 springer wrote:

> Tones and all,
>
> I'd love to hear from others if there's any cloud storage that offers as 
> much portability as tiddlyspot.
>
> If I'm on a public or institutional computer (like a library kiosk with a 
> browser, or a university's lecture-hall computer), it seems dropbox can't 
> work, because dropbox requires me to download the file before it can be 
> properly loaded in a browser (and these institutional machines are not 
> friendly to downloads).
>
> I assume that's equally true of these other cloud solutions like 
> sharepoint and AWS, yes? (Like dropbox, they may have one-click ways to 
> "preview" html files, but not to actually open them.)
>
> Is there any solution besides tiddlyspot that can work well in such 
> situations -- at LEAST for read access on the road, if not for editing -- 
> and that doesn't require me to have an Apache server at my disposal?
>
> -Springer
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 8:50:22 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Surya,
>>
>> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>>
>> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
>> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>>
>> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
>> there are more.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi :-)))
>>>
>>> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
>>> possibility is grey for me :-(
>>> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>>>
>>> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
>>> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>>>
>>> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
>>> guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
>>> Good luck to all!
>>> Surya
>>>
>>> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>>>


 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of 
>> accessing my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other 
>> solution.
>>
>
> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
> theme...
>
>
 Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
 it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide 
 "data 
 guaranteed" rights.

 Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
 They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
 into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
 page ;-)



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[tw5] Re: Twexe and TW5-jsoneditor issues?

The Current version at tiddlywiki.com is 5.1.22 (find to use now) and the 
pre-release version is 5.1.23 which may be released soon, do not use until 
released to tiddlywiki.com, perhaps even wait for a little while for a 
5.1.24 if there are bugs. 

Tones

On Friday, 30 October 2020 05:56:19 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>
> The TW version is 5.1.9 in the control panel. I don't know if that's newer 
> or older. I'm open to changing versions and using different things, as I'm 
> not currently locked into any particular version yet. I'm just trying to 
> get a good start right now. I shall look into TiddlyDesktop.
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Also in addition to Joshua's notes I have a separate wiki for JSON 
>> mangling, generating new tiddlers from my import data and transfer the data 
>> to my wiki, 
>>
>> ie: So you twexe need not support JSON mangler but will make use of its 
>> results. 
>>
>> If using twexe you may also consider making use of TiddlyDesktop instead.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:15:32 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get a new TW working with TWexe and the TW5-jsoneditor 
>>> plug-in working on a windows 10 computer with firefox, but after I drag and 
>>> drop all the plug-in tiddlers from the plug-in into the fresh wiki (as 
>>> instructed), save, and refresh I get nothing but a page with an error 
>>> message that reads:
>>> > "Internal Javascript Error 
>>> > Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart 
>>> TiddlyWiki by refreshing your browser
>>> > TypeError: $tw.KeyboardManager is not a constructor"
>>>
>>> Refreshing doesn't change anything. I've basically forgotten all the TW 
>>> knowledge I ever had after years of not using it, so I have no idea what 
>>> I'm doing wrong. Anybody have an idea?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Any tip on how to manage academic papers PDFs?

Thanks for Sharing back.

The Free foxit reader I use also provides a full product and free online 
tools  
which
 
I just found

Tones

On Friday, 30 October 2020 05:03:36 UTC+11, IvanPsy wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your kind replies!
>
> I see you're talking about putting so much text (possibly the whole 
> document) so that I'm able to search for it later.
>
> Fortunately most fo the PDFs are academic papers, so they are text I can 
> easily copy paste.
>
> As for the images I usually use Google Keep that has a very good OCR.
>
>
> Il giorno sabato 17 ottobre 2020 alle 01:00:10 UTC+2 TW Tones ha scritto:
>
>> Ivan
>>
>> I would echo what mark has said. I use snagit which includes a Grab Text 
>> function and can convert text in images with an OCR process.
>>
>> Snagit happily capture long page websites, but you may need to save a pdf 
>> to a webpage to extract the whole text in one operation. Dont concern your 
>> self with format just searchability to start with.
>>
>> Also I am a keen user of the Free Foxit reader which is great for 
>> annotating PDF files.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 17 October 2020 02:48:05 UTC+11, IvanPsy wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I was away for some time in order to test Apple Notes for note taking 
>>> and storing the informations.
>>>
>>> What I like of Apple Notes is that I can take an academic paper, I write 
>>> some thoughts as text, I save the PDF of the research inside the note.
>>> Then Apple note indexes the text of the PDF, so when I search for a word 
>>> it searches inside the PDFs too.
>>>
>>> The same for images and screenshots.
>>>
>>> How can I replicate such feature on TiddlyWiki?
>>> Is it possible?
>>> Or: any "lateral" tip to manage PDFs and screenshots the same way 
>>> without ditching TiddlyWiki?
>>>
>>> After some testing I find TiddlyWiki is nearly perfect, but I really 
>>> need such feature.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

Atronoush,

On Friday, 30 October 2020 04:16:48 UTC+11, Atronoush wrote:
>
> When the message is posted, there is no way to edit and correct!
> It is tons! Thank you for correcting me!
>

As the original poster you can edit your post, not only that if you look 
carefully, there is a separate link to edit subject. 

This is Tones Speaking of course, we Australians write tonne

:)

Tones

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[tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

Tones and all,

I'd love to hear from others if there's any cloud storage that offers as 
much portability as tiddlyspot.

If I'm on a public or institutional computer (like a library kiosk with a 
browser, or a university's lecture-hall computer), it seems dropbox can't 
work, because dropbox requires me to download the file before it can be 
properly loaded in a browser (and these institutional machines are not 
friendly to downloads).

I assume that's equally true of these other cloud solutions like sharepoint 
and AWS, yes? (Like dropbox, they may have one-click ways to "preview" html 
files, but not to actually open them.)

Is there any solution besides tiddlyspot that can work well in such 
situations -- at LEAST for read access on the road, if not for editing -- 
and that doesn't require me to have an Apache server at my disposal?

-Springer

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 8:50:22 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Surya,
>
> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>
> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>
> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
> there are more.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>
>> Hi :-)))
>>
>> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
>> possibility is grey for me :-(
>> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>>
>> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
>> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>>
>> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
>> guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
>> Good luck to all!
>> Surya
>>
>> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>
> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>

 In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
 theme...

>>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
>>> it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>>> guaranteed" rights.
>>>
>>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>>> page ;-)
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: confirmed working on private server (vps)

2020-10-29 Thread amreus

In the long run and particularly for the case of sharing bookmark tiddlers, 
I think the web site titles need to be detached from tiddler titles.  I 
don't like the idea of modifying titles to make them unique.  Also, sites 
may change their titles at any time where the site location remains 
stable.  We are bookmarking the location not the site name.   It makes some 
sense to me to use the url as part of the unique identifier, and prefix 
tiddler titles with a system prefix such as $:/bookmark/.

It may be less convenient this way to write filters and perform a search, 
but its' just that - less convenient which is different than impossible.  

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:23:54 AM UTC-4 Atronoush wrote:

> If you look at  https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip
> you will see tiddlyclip smart enough to detect the duplicated title. If 
> you bookmark the same webpage with different content it append the new text 
> to previous bookmark tiddler
> If the content is different it adds an ordinal number to title. 
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 12:18:39 AM UTC+3:30 amreus wrote:
>
>> I think there is a problem though with using the web site title as the 
>> tiddler title. As you know, web site titles are not unique but tiddler 
>> titles need to be unique.  For bookmarks, it is the url that should be used 
>> as the unique id of the bookmark.
>>
>> So what's the solution to that? (Just looking for opinions.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:37:50 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:
>>
>>> Sanitizing the characters [ ] { } | from the tiddler title is in the 
>>> dev branch, I just neglected to mention it.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:22:03 PM UTC-4 Atronoush wrote:
>>>
 Good improvement amreus!

  Like Donald I also support the proposed idea on GitHub repo!

 One issue is about the title is used for tiddler, it is good to resolve 
 the issue of nasty character in tiddler title.

 Atro

 On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:43:20 PM UTC+3:30 amreus wrote:

> Yes, please check out the dev branch 
>  -  
> that is the branch where I pushed some updates, including updated readme.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:06:06 AM UTC-4 digit...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> edit to above I see the url is added a field.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Special button request from someone I know

Yes! I totally forgot about that! I just let him know. Thanks Eric!

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 2:57:38 PM UTC-6 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:49:56 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> *the ability to select a chunk of text in an existing tiddler (including 
>> within the editor) and have a button which will “move” (cut/paste) that 
>> chunk of markup text to a new tiddler, set the focus to the title field, 
>> and manage the back-linking to the original tiddler (perhaps as a link, 
>> perhaps as a transclusion). *
>>
>
> The "excise" button in the editor toolbar (next to the "link" button) does 
> this, though perhaps not exactly as you have described.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Special button request from someone I know

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:49:56 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
> *the ability to select a chunk of text in an existing tiddler (including 
> within the editor) and have a button which will “move” (cut/paste) that 
> chunk of markup text to a new tiddler, set the focus to the title field, 
> and manage the back-linking to the original tiddler (perhaps as a link, 
> perhaps as a transclusion). *
>

The "excise" button in the editor toolbar (next to the "link" button) does 
this, though perhaps not exactly as you have described.

-e

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[tw5] Special button request from someone I know

Hi all

Someone I just met asked for this


*the ability to select a chunk of text in an existing tiddler (including 
within the editor) and have a button which will “move” (cut/paste) that 
chunk of markup text to a new tiddler, set the focus to the title field, 
and manage the back-linking to the original tiddler (perhaps as a link, 
perhaps as a transclusion). *

In other words, they want the ability to push highlighted content into a 
new tiddler, and have the new tiddler also backlink to the present tiddler 
similar to the "new tiddler with link to this one" from Stroll.

Any way to do this? Seems like this would be possible with an editortoolbar 
button.

I will let the person know if I get something solid here.

Blessings

Dave

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[tw5] Re: Classic to TW5 Plugins

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 12:58:43 PM UTC-7, Alvin wrote:
>
> Looks like I'm going to have to move into modern times and start using 
> TiddlyWiki5. There were several plugins that I relied on before.  Is there 
> a way to find out which ones have been converted?  Thank you.
>

Note that for simple *content* formatting, much of the same syntax still 
applies.  //italics//, ''bold'', etc. are the same as before.  Even the use 
of "|" to define tables is the same.

However, almost none of the plugins for TWClassic can be "converted" to 
work in TW5.  This is because of fundamental changes in the underlying 
architecture of the TWCore code.  In addition, there is no *automatic* way 
to translate the old TWClassic "macro" syntax into the new TW5 "widget" 
syntax, but the functionality of many of the more significant plugins is 
still available, just in a different form, which has often been directly 
incorporated into equivalent TWCore capabilities.

For example, the TWClassic "ForEachTiddler" plugin is now supported by the 
TWCore <$list>... widget.  The <$list> widget uses a powerful new 
"filter" syntax to select which tiddlers to operate on then sets a 
variable, <> to the title of each selected tiddler.  Within 
the "body" of the <$list>... widget, this variable can then be used 
to display or manipulate the contents of each matching tiddler.

Obviously, there is likely to be a considerable effort needed to 
re-implement old TWClassic functionality using new TW5 syntax but it is 
possible and, in my opinion, well worth the effort in most cases.

The best way to start the process is to tell us which TWClassic plugins you 
are using, and what essential functionality they provide, so that we can 
suggest modern TW5 alternatives and then offer some guidance and assistance 
in helping you learn how to re-write your old TWClassic content to work 
with TW5.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlymap Tutorials

Thank you so much!

I keep getting an Error code: SEC_ERROR_BAD_SIGNATURE whenever I try to go 
there. Thank you for sending me a copy of the website.

Have a nice evening,
H

On Thursday, 29 October 2020 at 19:22:18 UTC saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tiddlymap.com loads just fine for me.
> Attached is a copy.
>
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 8:14:19 PM UTC+1, hazel morris wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, I was wondering where I can find tutorials and resources on tiddlymap.
>>
>> I want to turn it into an interactive map for world-building and I need 
>> to make it so you can only zoom out as far as the background image but I 
>> dont know how to make this happen.
>>
>> Tiddlymap.org is down unfortunately, and I cant even get it on the 
>> wayback machine!
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> H 
>
>

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[tw5] Classic to TW5 Plugins

2020-10-29 Thread Alvin


Looks like I'm going to have to move into modern times and start using 
TiddlyWiki5. There were several plugins that I relied on before.  Is there 
a way to find out which ones have been converted?  Thank you.

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

Thanks Chris! Look forward to seeing how this develops.

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:32:58 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Wow, I'd better have a look at how this plugin has changed since August. 
> Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback! 
>
> ...It hasn't changed on github, but locally the Omnibus plugin has had a 
> lot of work under the hood; maybe not as much superficially. As often 
> happens, I had intended to update the public version frequently, but life 
> has kept me busy and my own modifications rarely seem quite ready to share 
> and document. "Another one bites the dust" was never meant to stay up. Heh. 
> It's still there in my local wikis.
>
> I prefer the title input field beneath the text, because if I'm adding 
> within an omnibus I usually don't want to bother with a title -- and if I 
> do, often the title comes to me only after I've written its contents. But 
> the input fields should certainly identify themselves clearly. This layout 
> is specified in my "Quick" plugin,
>
> The current (my local) version has a tiddler tagged "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" 
> to display the Omnibus stuff after the body on tiddlers tagged "omnibus", 
> and I have not repaired the effect that has on folding of the whole tiddler 
> (i.e. it doesn't fold). That's on my list of things to fix, but it's after 
> a lot of other issues that get in the way of my using my wikis. There's a 
> snowplow effect of annoyances that don't stop the plugin from functioning 
> that I've really ignored -- as with the "omnibus" tag, which just hasn't 
> bothered me enough to clean up...yet.
>
> Incidentally, nearer the start of this odyssey I really wasn't sure to 
> what extent I wanted to use tags vs. custom fields, in general. Did I want 
> to use several categories of tags, and have some hidden? Did I want lots of 
> custom fields? I've become much more comfortable with the idea of adding 
> fields to tiddlers.
>
> As for putting the omnibus-mode icons in the sidebar, certainly that must 
> be doable. I do sometimes have more than one omni open, in different modes 
> (one may be under intensive construction, another could be just for 
> reading, and another a todo list). On my current wikis, only the top 
> omnibus shows the mode-selection icons and sub-omnis follow its setting, so 
> it's less cluttered. I can see the desirability of cleaning the interface 
> for publishing read-only omnis. Maybe a view-mode toolbar button to toggle 
> the mode icons? Then it could be per-tiddler.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:51:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi clutterstack
>>
>> Here are my reactions:
>>
>> 1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting 
>> multiple-but-not-all tiddlers.
>> 2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags that 
>> much, but that is a great idea.
>> 3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one 
>> bites the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title editor. 
>> I am so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are 
>> headers, that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, which 
>> made me wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change 
>> anything, just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace Another 
>> one bites the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for.
>> 4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that 
>> might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to 
>> hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me.
>> 5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse 
>> individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag to 
>> rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is 
>> not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as needed. 
>> Great, great job.
>> 6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than at 
>> the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file online, 
>> whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still 
>> visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to 
>> focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each 
>> subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for 
>> content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a 
>> problem.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot seeing 
>>> this in August. I just played with this and I really like it!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 LOL

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> @David Gifford
>
> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks.
>

[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

I remember this kind of table code being discussed once in a Google Hangout 
years ago, then it was never mentioned again there or here.

Yes, that would definitely solve the problem!

One question: would » in the cell text break the table? Just wondering 
since  «  and  »  is what Spanish uses for quoted text. They don't normally 
use our English " and ".

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:38:16 PM UTC-6 PMario wrote:

> Hi
> It would need better CSS, but I think you get the idea.
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Detect if sidebar breakpoint is reached

2020-10-29 Thread Shareda

Hello! I'm using JD's Mobile Layout. The sidebar does not hide when I click 
any navigate button, e.g. navigating to AdvancedSearch or my custom buttons.

I would like to use ActionSetFieldWidget inside of my buttons to hide the 
sidebar if the breakpoint is reached. *How should I detect this condition?*

JD's Mob uses *Sidebar Breakpoint* set at *Control Panel *and standard top 
bar buttons to show or hide the sidebar, so I think my question is about 
common tiddlywiki features.

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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

Hi
It would need better CSS, but I think you get the idea.
-mario

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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

Hi Dave,

What if a table syntax would look like this:

´table ´caption Some caption text
»===row
´! header 1
´! header 2
´! header 3
--
»===row
»| 1 text

»| 12 text

»|
* cell 13 text
* line 2 
* line 3
--
»===row
»| 2 text

»| 22 text

»| 23 text

--
/endTable

and produce this: 

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

2020-10-29 Thread clutterstack

Hi David,

Wow, I'd better have a look at how this plugin has changed since August. 
Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback! 

...It hasn't changed on github, but locally the Omnibus plugin has had a 
lot of work under the hood; maybe not as much superficially. As often 
happens, I had intended to update the public version frequently, but life 
has kept me busy and my own modifications rarely seem quite ready to share 
and document. "Another one bites the dust" was never meant to stay up. Heh. 
It's still there in my local wikis.

I prefer the title input field beneath the text, because if I'm adding 
within an omnibus I usually don't want to bother with a title -- and if I 
do, often the title comes to me only after I've written its contents. But 
the input fields should certainly identify themselves clearly. This layout 
is specified in my "Quick" plugin,

The current (my local) version has a tiddler tagged "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" 
to display the Omnibus stuff after the body on tiddlers tagged "omnibus", 
and I have not repaired the effect that has on folding of the whole tiddler 
(i.e. it doesn't fold). That's on my list of things to fix, but it's after 
a lot of other issues that get in the way of my using my wikis. There's a 
snowplow effect of annoyances that don't stop the plugin from functioning 
that I've really ignored -- as with the "omnibus" tag, which just hasn't 
bothered me enough to clean up...yet.

Incidentally, nearer the start of this odyssey I really wasn't sure to what 
extent I wanted to use tags vs. custom fields, in general. Did I want to 
use several categories of tags, and have some hidden? Did I want lots of 
custom fields? I've become much more comfortable with the idea of adding 
fields to tiddlers.

As for putting the omnibus-mode icons in the sidebar, certainly that must 
be doable. I do sometimes have more than one omni open, in different modes 
(one may be under intensive construction, another could be just for 
reading, and another a todo list). On my current wikis, only the top 
omnibus shows the mode-selection icons and sub-omnis follow its setting, so 
it's less cluttered. I can see the desirability of cleaning the interface 
for publishing read-only omnis. Maybe a view-mode toolbar button to toggle 
the mode icons? Then it could be per-tiddler.

Cheers,
Chris
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:51:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi clutterstack
>
> Here are my reactions:
>
> 1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting 
> multiple-but-not-all tiddlers.
> 2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags that 
> much, but that is a great idea.
> 3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one 
> bites the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title editor. 
> I am so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are 
> headers, that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, which 
> made me wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change 
> anything, just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace Another 
> one bites the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for.
> 4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that 
> might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to 
> hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me.
> 5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse 
> individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag to 
> rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is 
> not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as needed. 
> Great, great job.
> 6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than at 
> the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file online, 
> whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still 
> visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to 
> focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each 
> subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for 
> content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a 
> problem.
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot seeing 
>> this in August. I just played with this and I really like it!
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
 @David Gifford

 Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks.

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the 
> TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: 
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4T

Re: [tw5] Re: Refnotes/Bibtex modification?

2020-10-29 Thread Saq Imtiaz

Keelan,

I think the best solution for your needs it to customize the template for 
the popup to use the template from the refnotes plugin.

Edit the tiddler $:/plugins/tobibeer/preview/template so it has the 
following content



!!! <$link>{{!!title}}
{{||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags}}
{{||$:/plugins/sq/streams/breadcrumbs-view-template}}

{{!!text}}
{{||$:/plugins/sq/streams/stream-view-template}}
{{||$:/plugins/kebi/tiddlyresearch-references/filters}}
{{||$:/plugins/kookma/refnotes/viewtemplate/bibtex}}


The highlighted line is what we are adding.
Perhaps make a suggestion to the TiddlyResearch author to make the popup 
template customizable via tags.

Hope this helps,
Saq

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[tw5] Tiddlymap Tutorials


Hi, I was wondering where I can find tutorials and resources on tiddlymap.

I want to turn it into an interactive map for world-building and I need to 
make it so you can only zoom out as far as the background image but I dont 
know how to make this happen.

Tiddlymap.org is down unfortunately, and I cant even get it on the wayback 
machine!

Thanks, 
H 

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[tw5] Re: Concerns from a non-tech newbie

I can answer some of these questions: html isnt going to go out of fashion 
soon, it is the code of every website no matter what browser runs it. I 
would say it is not a realistic scenario!
You can export tiddlers to txt, I am sure there is a plugin for this.
Yes you can have multiple tiddlywikis open at the same time.
Finally, I am not sure how much you can put into tiddlywiki before it slows 
down. individual tiddlers with only writing have a very small file size, 
but if you add images and pdfs the size will get much bigger very fast.
I am no expert myself, hopefully someone else can confirm.

Have a nice day,
H

On Thursday, 29 October 2020 at 18:14:11 UTC IvanPsy wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm evaluating TiddlyWiki over other txt based solutions (such as Obsidian 
> and similar), so I have some questions.
> My apologies if they are non-realistic questions: I'm not a tech :-)
>
> - How big can be a TiddlyWiki before slowing down or causing troubles when 
> opening it?
> I have some Gb on Apple Notes, since I store also images and long PDFs.
> My fear is storing all my stuff on a single file may slow down or causing 
> other troubles.
>
> - TiddlyWiki runs on HTML and Java, is it?
> What if the browsers discontinued them in the future, (as it happened to 
> Flash)?
> Is it a realistic scenario?
> I'm always looking for an exit plan.
> And: what if I wanted to export the tiddlers in different txt (or other 
> formats) files?
>
> - Can I have the same TiddlyWiki open on different windows at the same 
> time without having the two versions conflict each other?
> I'm used to work on many projects at the same time, so I usually have many 
> windows of Apple Notes open at the same time.
> How about TiddlyWiki?
>
> Thank you!
>

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[tw5] Re: Concerns from a non-tech newbie

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:14:11 PM UTC+1, IvanPsy wrote:
>
> Greetings,

Hi Ivan,

> I'm evaluating TiddlyWiki over other txt based solutions (such as Obsidian 
> and similar), so I have some questions.
> My apologies if they are non-realistic questions: I'm not a tech :-)
>

Welcome!

> - How big can be a TiddlyWiki before slowing down or causing troubles when 
> opening it?
> I have some Gb on Apple Notes, since I store also images and long PDFs.
> My fear is storing all my stuff on a single file may slow down or causing 
> other troubles.
>

You should definitely keep the PDFs and big images outside of the wiki. 
It's possible to "link" to external resources like PDFs. A tiddler has a 
field named: _cannonical_uri to store the resource URL. 

eg: https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20embed%20PDF%20and%20other%20documents

> - TiddlyWiki runs on HTML and Java, is it?
>

JavaScript is something completely different to Java. 

> What if the browsers discontinued them in the future, (as it happened to 
> Flash)?
>

HTML is "basically" text. It's always possible to open the file in a normal 
text editor and extract the content. It will be much work, but it is 
possible. 

Additionally TW has the possibility to export everything in different 
formats. One of them is CSV Comma-Separated-Values. Which can also be used 
to import stuff. 

> Is it a realistic scenario?
>

I think browsers will be more important in the future, than the other way 
around.

> I'm always looking for an exit plan.
>

That's a good strategy!

And: what if I wanted to export the tiddlers in different txt (or other 
> formats) files?
>

See above. We can export / import as CSV, JSON and text based

- Can I have the same TiddlyWiki open on different windows at the same time 
> without having the two versions conflict each other?
>

If you use a "file-based" saver, they will conflict each other. If you use 
a "server-based" solution they will be synced. See: BOB-server It's 
available for several different OSes.

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE

> I'm used to work on many projects at the same time, so I usually have many 
> windows of Apple Notes open at the same time.
> How about TiddlyWiki?
>

Hope that helps, to get an overview. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Twexe and TW5-jsoneditor issues?

2020-10-29 Thread Tiddly Novice

The TW version is 5.1.9 in the control panel. I don't know if that's newer 
or older. I'm open to changing versions and using different things, as I'm 
not currently locked into any particular version yet. I'm just trying to 
get a good start right now. I shall look into TiddlyDesktop.
On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Also in addition to Joshua's notes I have a separate wiki for JSON 
> mangling, generating new tiddlers from my import data and transfer the data 
> to my wiki, 
>
> ie: So you twexe need not support JSON mangler but will make use of its 
> results. 
>
> If using twexe you may also consider making use of TiddlyDesktop instead.
>
> Regards
> Tones 
>
>
> On Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:15:32 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm trying to get a new TW working with TWexe and the TW5-jsoneditor 
>> plug-in working on a windows 10 computer with firefox, but after I drag and 
>> drop all the plug-in tiddlers from the plug-in into the fresh wiki (as 
>> instructed), save, and refresh I get nothing but a page with an error 
>> message that reads:
>> > "Internal Javascript Error 
>> > Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart 
>> TiddlyWiki by refreshing your browser
>> > TypeError: $tw.KeyboardManager is not a constructor"
>>
>> Refreshing doesn't change anything. I've basically forgotten all the TW 
>> knowledge I ever had after years of not using it, so I have no idea what 
>> I'm doing wrong. Anybody have an idea?
>>
>

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[tw5] Concerns from a non-tech newbie

2020-10-29 Thread IvanPsy

Greetings,

I'm evaluating TiddlyWiki over other txt based solutions (such as Obsidian 
and similar), so I have some questions.
My apologies if they are non-realistic questions: I'm not a tech :-)

- How big can be a TiddlyWiki before slowing down or causing troubles when 
opening it?
I have some Gb on Apple Notes, since I store also images and long PDFs.
My fear is storing all my stuff on a single file may slow down or causing 
other troubles.

- TiddlyWiki runs on HTML and Java, is it?
What if the browsers discontinued them in the future, (as it happened to 
Flash)?
Is it a realistic scenario?
I'm always looking for an exit plan.
And: what if I wanted to export the tiddlers in different txt (or other 
formats) files?

- Can I have the same TiddlyWiki open on different windows at the same time 
without having the two versions conflict each other?
I'm used to work on many projects at the same time, so I usually have many 
windows of Apple Notes open at the same time.
How about TiddlyWiki?

Thank you!

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[tw5] Re: Any tip on how to manage academic papers PDFs?

2020-10-29 Thread IvanPsy

Thank you all for your kind replies!

I see you're talking about putting so much text (possibly the whole 
document) so that I'm able to search for it later.

Fortunately most fo the PDFs are academic papers, so they are text I can 
easily copy paste.

As for the images I usually use Google Keep that has a very good OCR.


Il giorno sabato 17 ottobre 2020 alle 01:00:10 UTC+2 TW Tones ha scritto:

> Ivan
>
> I would echo what mark has said. I use snagit which includes a Grab Text 
> function and can convert text in images with an OCR process.
>
> Snagit happily capture long page websites, but you may need to save a pdf 
> to a webpage to extract the whole text in one operation. Dont concern your 
> self with format just searchability to start with.
>
> Also I am a keen user of the Free Foxit reader which is great for 
> annotating PDF files.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Saturday, 17 October 2020 02:48:05 UTC+11, IvanPsy wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I was away for some time in order to test Apple Notes for note taking and 
>> storing the informations.
>>
>> What I like of Apple Notes is that I can take an academic paper, I write 
>> some thoughts as text, I save the PDF of the research inside the note.
>> Then Apple note indexes the text of the PDF, so when I search for a word 
>> it searches inside the PDFs too.
>>
>> The same for images and screenshots.
>>
>> How can I replicate such feature on TiddlyWiki?
>> Is it possible?
>> Or: any "lateral" tip to manage PDFs and screenshots the same way without 
>> ditching TiddlyWiki?
>>
>> After some testing I find TiddlyWiki is nearly perfect, but I really need 
>> such feature.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

2020-10-29 Thread john.edw...@gmail.com

Glad to get a local copy saved, I was having tiddlyspace flashbacks.  
Thanks to Simon and Daniel Baird for working to get it back to the state to 
allow saving a copy.

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:14:09 PM UTC-4 Surya wrote:

> @TW Tones: Thanks for your tips!
>
> TW Tones schrieb am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2020 um 01:50:22 UTC+1:
>
>> Surya,
>>
>> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>>
>> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
>> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>>
>> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
>> there are more.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi :-)))
>>>
>>> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
>>> possibility is grey for me :-(
>>> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>>>
>>> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
>>> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>>>
>>> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
>>> guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
>>> Good luck to all!
>>> Surya
>>>
>>> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>>>


 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of 
>> accessing my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other 
>> solution.
>>
>
> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
> theme...
>
>
 Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
 it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide 
 "data 
 guaranteed" rights.

 Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
 They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
 into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
 page ;-)



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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

Sorry I should correct myself / specify, 

1. I misspoke when I wrote that it would create a cell. I was talking about 
creating a snippet within a cell of a TiddlyWiki table.

2. I am not talking about spreadsheet tables to manage data, but simple 
tables to display simple information, but some of the cells of which

a) require block transclusion, such as bulleted lists
b) I might want to edit quickly later without wading through a mess in edit 
view.

So to put it in other language, what I am imagining is a one click and more 
concise way to insert the equivalent of the following in a table cell:

<$transclude tiddler="automatically generated title" mode="block"/> 
[[*|alias link to same automaticlly generated title]] 

or some other, better solution. The links you mention have processes that 
are quite complex and bottom-up. I am talking about creating a regular 
TiddlyWiki table and having an easy way to create a tiddler, transclude it 
in a cell, and link to it with one click.



On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:57:42 AM UTC-6 Atronoush wrote:

> David,
>  In my opinion, if we consider the tiddler philosophy, for non 
> single/small value cell, it is better to use a tiddler to keep the cell 
> content.
>  hen use TiddlyTables or Shiraz Dynamic Tables to create a table and edit 
> it in place like Excel (Spreadsheet)
>
> See: 
> 1. https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables
> 2. http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:01:07 PM UTC+3:30 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> This post is just to share a vague vision. 
>>
>> 1. The problems: a) Tables with cell content of any significant length 
>> are in TiddlyWiki get really messy in editing mode. Going back to edit them 
>> requires a magnifying glass and patience. b) Table cells with, for example, 
>> bulleted lists for content, require transclusion.
>>
>> 2. The inspiration: a) Streams and NotoWritey create new, transcluded 
>> lines - external tiddlers that can be edited from within the current 
>> tiddler. b) In Roam Research, tables can be created from outlines. c) With 
>> the link-to-tabs plugin, a click opens the tiddler for a tab.
>>
>> 3. The idea: What if there were an editor toolbar button that you could 
>> use to insert a transcluded tiddler in a table cell? Details:
>> a) The button would create a cell, with an automatically generated title, 
>> either a datetimestamp or a title similar to those that Streams generates 
>> for each line.
>> b) The tiddler would be transcluded in the table cell similar to how they 
>> are transcluded in Streams
>> c) Clicking or doubleclicking the cell (or maybe clicking on an icon that 
>> appears on hovering, similar to the link-to-tab plugin) would either open 
>> the tiddler in edit mode, or the cell itself would become an edit-text 
>> window. Probably the former makes more sense, but the latter is the vision 
>> that inspired this whole idea - similar to clicking on an Excel cell and 
>> editing it.
>> d) The padding of the transcluded tiddler would need to be reduced 
>> somehow so that the table wouldn't be overpadded.
>>
>> That's it. That is my idea for beefing up tables in TiddlyWiki. My 
>> original thought was to have it be a new way of doing tables, where every 
>> cell created generated a new transcluded tiddler. That would be really 
>> cool, where adding table cells would be as easy as adding lines in Streams.
>>
>> But that seems extremely complicated, and an overkill solution, 
>> unnecessary for most tables. An editor toolbar button to insert such an 
>> "editable transclusion of a new tiddler" similar to what one sees in 
>> Streams sounds more realistic.
>>
>> What do you guys think about this idea? Anyone getting inspired to create 
>> a new plugin?
>>
>> Streams: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>> Link to tab plugin: https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

When the message is posted, there is no way to edit and correct!
It is tons! Thank you for correcting me!


On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+3:30 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Do you mean TONES or TONS?
>
>
> On Thursday, 29 October 2020 13:11:51 UTC+1, Atronoush wrote:
>>
>> I have noted Jeremy, Saq, BTC, and some other are very busy to fix bugs 
>> and bring new features to TW 5.1.23 (have a look at 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 to see the number of PR, Issues 
>> have been resolved!)
>>
>> Thank you all!
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

2020-10-29 Thread 'Surya' via TiddlyWiki

@TW Tones: Thanks for your tips!

TW Tones schrieb am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2020 um 01:50:22 UTC+1:

> Surya,
>
> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>
> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>
> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
> there are more.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>
>> Hi :-)))
>>
>> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
>> possibility is grey for me :-(
>> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>>
>> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
>> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>>
>> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
>> guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
>> Good luck to all!
>> Surya
>>
>> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>
> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>

 In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
 theme...


>>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
>>> it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>>> guaranteed" rights.
>>>
>>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>>> page ;-)
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

2020-10-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Do you mean TONES or TONS?

On Thursday, 29 October 2020 13:11:51 UTC+1, Atronoush wrote:
>
> I have noted Jeremy, Saq, BTC, and some other are very busy to fix bugs 
> and bring new features to TW 5.1.23 (have a look at 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 to see the number of PR, Issues 
> have been resolved!)
>
> Thank you all!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: New Filter Operations in TW 5.1.23

Hi Saq,
 Many thanks for explanation and your good TW scripting style (use named 
run prefix)!
 As you said one needs to do some experiments and write several examples to 
understand filters correctly!

 I will bookmark this post for future reference.

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On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 5:10:31 PM UTC+3:30 saq.i...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> *Filter vs subfilter*
>
> In the below example, if you replace  filter with 
> subfilter, you will output the text length rather than the 
> tiddler titles. Go ahead and try that on tiddlywiki.com
>
> The filter operator allows you to limit the output according to the 
> criteria provided by its operand, without changing the input. The most 
> common use case for subfilter is to be able to use a  text reference or 
> variable as a filter.
>
> <$vars myfilter="[get[text]length[]compare:integer:gteq[1000]]">
> <$list filter="[tag[HelloThere]search[po]filter]">
> 
> <$link>
> <$text text=<>/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> *Why named filter run prefixes?*
> Simply put because we were running out of characters to use every time we 
> want to add a new run prefix that adds new functionality. Background here: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4888#issuecomment-716663427
>
> *else vs ~ vs :else*
> As explained in the link above, existing filter run prefixes have also 
> been made available as named prefixes for consistency. So *~* and *:else* 
> are *identical*. (Moving forwards I would personally transition to only 
> using named run prefixes, with the other single character prefixes being 
> there for backwards compatibility.)
>
> As for *else* vs *:else*, the former is a filter operator and used within 
> a filter run and represents a single filter step, whereas the latter is a 
> filter run prefix.  
>
> Filter runs:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Run
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Expression
>
> Filter operators and filter steps:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Step
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Operators
>
> *else* can be used as a filter step to output a fixed string, variable or 
> text reference, if the filter run so far has produced no value. (In the 
> below filter the portion "else[yes]" is a filter step, where as the entire 
> line is a single filter run.)
>
> [[HelloThere]is[missing]else[yes]]
>
> *:else* can be used to run an entire new filter run if the previous 
> filter runs have provided no output.
>
> [[HelloThere]is[missing]get[text]] :else[{config}get[text]]
>
> The above filter expression consists of two filter runs, the second has 
> the prefix :else.
>
> I hope this helps. It's a bit tricky to know what needs explanation as I 
> personally do find the existing documentation on filter syntax quite good, 
> *if 
> read carefully and in its entirety*. Hopefully others can fill in if 
> there are still things that are unclear.
>
> PRs with documentation improvements are always welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

Hi clutterstack

Here are my reactions:

1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting 
multiple-but-not-all tiddlers.
2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags that 
much, but that is a great idea.
3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one bites 
the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title editor. I am 
so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are headers, 
that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, which made me 
wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change anything, 
just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace Another one bites 
the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for.
4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that 
might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to 
hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me.
5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse 
individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag to 
rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is 
not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as needed. 
Great, great job.
6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than at 
the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file online, 
whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still 
visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to 
focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each 
subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for 
content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a 
problem.

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot seeing 
> this in August. I just played with this and I really like it!
>
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> LOL
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> @David Gifford
>>>
>>> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote:

 I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the 
 TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: 
 https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS. 
 Looks interesting!

 On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:21:39 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the 
> reason I wanted the quick-adding capability. 
>
> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it 
> converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni, 
> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". Here's 
> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: 
>
> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right away 
> (or ever)
> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop
> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus
> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop
> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus
> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions 
>
> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some 
> overlap, although there are some slightly different decisions among 
> Streams, NotoWritey, and Omni.
>
> Demo and some notes are available at
> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/
>
> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a 
> major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. Certainly, 
> the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having 
> climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand 
> Saq's code.
>
> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe someone 
> will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is 
> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni.
>
> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble "omnibuses" 
> into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can collect a lot 
> into 
> a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that.
>
> Cheers, Chris
>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot seeing 
this in August. I just played with this and I really like it!

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> LOL
>
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> @David Gifford
>>
>> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the 
>>> TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: 
>>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS. 
>>> Looks interesting!
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:21:39 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the 
 reason I wanted the quick-adding capability. 

 I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it 
 converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni, 
 short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". Here's 
 what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: 

 * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right away 
 (or ever)
 * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop
 * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus
 * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop
 * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus
 * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions 

 I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some overlap, 
 although there are some slightly different decisions among Streams, 
 NotoWritey, and Omni.

 Demo and some notes are available at
 https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/

 Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a 
 major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. Certainly, 
 the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having 
 climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand 
 Saq's code.

 Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe someone 
 will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is 
 https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni.

 I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble "omnibuses" 
 into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can collect a lot into 
 a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that.

 Cheers, Chris

>>>

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[tw5] Re: New Filter Operations in TW 5.1.23

2020-10-29 Thread Saq Imtiaz

*Filter vs subfilter*

In the below example, if you replace  filter with 
subfilter, you will output the text length rather than the 
tiddler titles. Go ahead and try that on tiddlywiki.com

The filter operator allows you to limit the output according to the 
criteria provided by its operand, without changing the input. The most 
common use case for subfilter is to be able to use a  text reference or 
variable as a filter.

<$vars myfilter="[get[text]length[]compare:integer:gteq[1000]]">
<$list filter="[tag[HelloThere]search[po]filter]">

<$link>
<$text text=<>/>






*Why named filter run prefixes?*
Simply put because we were running out of characters to use every time we 
want to add a new run prefix that adds new functionality. Background 
here: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4888#issuecomment-716663427

*else vs ~ vs :else*
As explained in the link above, existing filter run prefixes have also been 
made available as named prefixes for consistency. So *~* and *:else* are 
*identical*. (Moving forwards I would personally transition to only using 
named run prefixes, with the other single character prefixes being there 
for backwards compatibility.)

As for *else* vs *:else*, the former is a filter operator and used within a 
filter run and represents a single filter step, whereas the latter is a 
filter run prefix.  

Filter runs:
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Run
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Expression

Filter operators and filter steps:
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Step
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Operators

*else* can be used as a filter step to output a fixed string, variable or 
text reference, if the filter run so far has produced no value. (In the 
below filter the portion "else[yes]" is a filter step, where as the entire 
line is a single filter run.)

[[HelloThere]is[missing]else[yes]]

*:else* can be used to run an entire new filter run if the previous filter 
runs have provided no output.

[[HelloThere]is[missing]get[text]] :else[{config}get[text]]

The above filter expression consists of two filter runs, the second has the 
prefix :else.

I hope this helps. It's a bit tricky to know what needs explanation as I 
personally do find the existing documentation on filter syntax quite good, *if 
read carefully and in its entirety*. Hopefully others can fill in if there 
are still things that are unclear.

PRs with documentation improvements are always welcome.

Cheers,
Saq

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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

David,
 In my opinion, if we consider the tiddler philosophy, for non single/small 
value cell, it is better to use a tiddler to keep the cell content.
 hen use TiddlyTables or Shiraz Dynamic Tables to create a table and edit 
it in place like Excel (Spreadsheet)

See: 
1. https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables
2. http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:01:07 PM UTC+3:30 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi all
>
> This post is just to share a vague vision. 
>
> 1. The problems: a) Tables with cell content of any significant length are 
> in TiddlyWiki get really messy in editing mode. Going back to edit them 
> requires a magnifying glass and patience. b) Table cells with, for example, 
> bulleted lists for content, require transclusion.
>
> 2. The inspiration: a) Streams and NotoWritey create new, transcluded 
> lines - external tiddlers that can be edited from within the current 
> tiddler. b) In Roam Research, tables can be created from outlines. c) With 
> the link-to-tabs plugin, a click opens the tiddler for a tab.
>
> 3. The idea: What if there were an editor toolbar button that you could 
> use to insert a transcluded tiddler in a table cell? Details:
> a) The button would create a cell, with an automatically generated title, 
> either a datetimestamp or a title similar to those that Streams generates 
> for each line.
> b) The tiddler would be transcluded in the table cell similar to how they 
> are transcluded in Streams
> c) Clicking or doubleclicking the cell (or maybe clicking on an icon that 
> appears on hovering, similar to the link-to-tab plugin) would either open 
> the tiddler in edit mode, or the cell itself would become an edit-text 
> window. Probably the former makes more sense, but the latter is the vision 
> that inspired this whole idea - similar to clicking on an Excel cell and 
> editing it.
> d) The padding of the transcluded tiddler would need to be reduced somehow 
> so that the table wouldn't be overpadded.
>
> That's it. That is my idea for beefing up tables in TiddlyWiki. My 
> original thought was to have it be a new way of doing tables, where every 
> cell created generated a new transcluded tiddler. That would be really 
> cool, where adding table cells would be as easy as adding lines in Streams.
>
> But that seems extremely complicated, and an overkill solution, 
> unnecessary for most tables. An editor toolbar button to insert such an 
> "editable transclusion of a new tiddler" similar to what one sees in 
> Streams sounds more realistic.
>
> What do you guys think about this idea? Anyone getting inspired to create 
> a new plugin?
>
> Streams: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
> Link to tab plugin: https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

Import rename is a great feature let you rename a tiddler before import!

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4928

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:41:51 PM UTC+3:30 Atronoush wrote:

> I have noted Jeremy, Saq, BTC, and some other are very busy to fix bugs 
> and bring new features to TW 5.1.23 (have a look at 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 to see the number of PR, Issues 
> have been resolved!)
>
> Thank you all!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Idea / inspiration for tables?

Hi all

This post is just to share a vague vision.

1. The problems: a) Tables with cell content of any significant length are
in TiddlyWiki get really messy in editing mode. Going back to edit them
requires a magnifying glass and patience. b) Table cells with, for example,
bulleted lists for content, require transclusion.

2. The inspiration: a) Streams and NotoWritey create new, transcluded lines
- external tiddlers that can be edited from within the current tiddler. b)
In Roam Research, tables can be created from outlines. c) With the
link-to-tabs plugin, a click opens the tiddler for a tab.

3. The idea: What if there were an editor toolbar button that you could use
to insert a transcluded tiddler in a table cell? Details:
a) The button would create a cell, with an automatically generated title,
either a datetimestamp or a title similar to those that Streams generates
for each line.
b) The tiddler would be transcluded in the table cell similar to how they
are transcluded in Streams
c) Clicking or doubleclicking the cell (or maybe clicking on an icon that
appears on hovering, similar to the link-to-tab plugin) would either open
the tiddler in edit mode, or the cell itself would become an edit-text
window. Probably the former makes more sense, but the latter is the vision
that inspired this whole idea - similar to clicking on an Excel cell and
editing it.
d) The padding of the transcluded tiddler would need to be reduced somehow
so that the table wouldn't be overpadded.

That's it. That is my idea for beefing up tables in TiddlyWiki. My original
thought was to have it be a new way of doing tables, where every cell
created generated a new transcluded tiddler. That would be really cool,
where adding table cells would be as easy as adding lines in Streams.

But that seems extremely complicated, and an overkill solution, unnecessary
for most tables. An editor toolbar button to insert such an "editable
transclusion of a new tiddler" similar to what one sees in Streams sounds
more realistic.

What do you guys think about this idea? Anyone getting inspired to create a
new plugin?

Streams: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
Link to tab plugin: https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/

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[tw5] New Filter Operations in TW 5.1.23

There are some updates, big fixes and new features for filter operators and 
filter operations in TW 5.1.23. While Saq has added documentation for new 
features but some of them needs more examples and explanations. I hope Saq 
or other super users understand filters very good answer these questions 
for clarification


1. What is the difference between filter and subfilter operator? Why we 
need both of them?

2. Why filter named prefixes are used? 
See https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Filter%20Expression ?
 
3. What is the difference of else, ~ and :else ?

Do you recommend any good scripting style? If I am right, it seems you can 
do the same filter operation using different operator and this may be 
confusing for newbies like me!

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[tw5] TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

I have noted Jeremy, Saq, BTC, and some other are very busy to fix bugs and 
bring new features to TW 5.1.23 (have a look 
at https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 to see the number of PR, Issues 
have been resolved!)

Thank you all!


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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

2020-10-29 Thread Ste

Well thats some good news!

On Thursday, 29 October 2020 at 07:29:57 UTC Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-7, FFT wrote:
>>
>> Site is working once again.
>>
>
> Note that TiddlySpot is currently READ-ONLY.
>
> You can access your TiddlySpot site(s), but you cannot save any updates to 
> TiddlySpot.  In addition, neither the download link (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/download) nor the backup directory (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/backup) are available.
>
> To save a local copy of your TiddlySpot site, open the $:/ControlPanel 
> "Saving", "TiddlySpot Saver" tab and clear the Wiki Name and/or Password 
> input.  Then, when you press the save button in the sidebar, it will 
> trigger the TWCore standard "Download Saver" handling.
>
> -e
>
>
>

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[tw5] Tiddlymap Questions: how to set a maximum boundary?


Hello,

Tiddlymap is awesome. I am trying to use it to create an interactive map 
for my world-building project. I am, however, almost completely a noob with 
coding so I am hoping someone can help me out.

I want to make it so you are locked in to the size of my map (which is 
8096x8096 if that matters) by using some sort of max bounds code or maybe a 
setting I havent spotted yet.

If its the former I have no idea how to do that though. Do I go into the 
shadow tiddler and just slap in some sort of max bounds code? 

Also a minor questions: is there any way I can change the default icons to 
something custom I can draw using krita/photoshop?

Finally, is there anyway to access tiddlymap.org? I have a bunch of general 
questions about how on earth to use this plugin but unfortunately the site 
is down.

Thank you everyone, especially Felix for creating tiddlymap!

H

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[tw5] Re: Externally loaded images, loaded internally (Tiddlymap background images)

 I am also trying to use tiddlymap with a world building map!

I just imported the image directly, and I am a coding noob so I cant help 
you. However, if you've made any progress with your project and are 
comfortable sharing I would love to see because I am trying to do the same 
thing. 

Maybe I could even make a "use tiddlywiki for worldbuilding or DnD" 
tutorial for people once I've figured this out. Right not I am stuck trying 
to figure out how to create a max bounds to my background image.

Have a nice day :)
H
On Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 02:28:27 UTC+1 carad...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I am currently working with tiddlymap on a *locally stored wiki* where I 
> wish to load an image externally and use said image as a background on 
> tiddlymap. Both the image and the wiki are stored in the same folder. I 
> followed the instructions on http://tiddlymap.org/ to use the 
> _canonical_uri  field to load the locally stored image. The image 
> displays in the tiddler just fine, but it doesn't display when set in the 
> tiddlymap view. Hoping someone can point me in the right direction here. 
> Screenshots attached.
>
> The info on the tiddlymap site notes to store the image on the same domain 
> but.. I have no domain to store the image, because both are stored on my 
> computer and I'm just trying to keep the images out of my wiki to retain 
> responsiveness. I am using Tiddlydesktop if that makes any difference.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Reece
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?