Re: [tw5] Re: Box Layout Tiddly Wiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

I may recommend Shiraz! Have a look at the tutorial and see how cards are
used!
Look at the Gallery example, if you like your card include images+text!


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 8:10 AM Java Development 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> How to add multiple card template...Whenever i add it is coming as new
> tiddler.
>
> Can someone help me how to add 5 rows with 3 boxes in a row...
>
> Thanks
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 8:08 AM strikke...@gmail.com <
> strikkeglad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From the screenshot - Look at Tiddler Saving
>> 
>>
>> open it for edit, you will find that it is using tiddler
>> tw5.come-card-template
>> 
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:10:40 AM UTC+2 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have around 12 initial menus which needs to be presented as BOX
>>> layout. On clicking the layout it goes to the sub-category and category and
>>> finally the result
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linuxhowto.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Screenshot-from-2020-07-27-21-11-17.png
>>>
>>> How to display the front page with Box Layout? Any good theme is
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Box Layout Tiddly Wiki

[Java Development]

Hi,

How to add multiple card template...Whenever i add it is coming as new
tiddler.

Can someone help me how to add 5 rows with 3 boxes in a row...

Thanks

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 8:08 AM strikke...@gmail.com <
strikkeglad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From the screenshot - Look at Tiddler Saving
> 
>
> open it for edit, you will find that it is using tiddler
> tw5.come-card-template
> 
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:10:40 AM UTC+2 Java Development wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have around 12 initial menus which needs to be presented as BOX layout.
>> On clicking the layout it goes to the sub-category and category and finally
>> the result
>>
>>
>> https://www.linuxhowto.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Screenshot-from-2020-07-27-21-11-17.png
>>
>> How to display the front page with Box Layout? Any good theme is
>> available.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much 
feedback! It has been very helpful.

If I may ask two follow-up questions:

1)  I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness regarding 
the content, at least with this world building concept. At the same time 
I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on other 
topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking the 
hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as you 
pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building 
*manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where I 
utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or 
is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of 
content?

2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use would 
be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the City 
tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you created 
it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it is just a 
preference of how you want to do the link back?

Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still 
looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't 
understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of 
"Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to 
write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have 
it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again 
combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the 
book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific 
tiddler with Freelinks turned on.

Not to sound redundant but thank you again!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi iamdar...
>
> TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in 
> tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the 
> tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, 
> backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to get 
> to it.
>
> Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the references 
> are at the bottom of each page on Roam. So, since Stroll was an experiment 
> to see how much of Roam that I could replicate in TiddlyWiki, I also made 
> b-linking visible.
>
> I use backlinks mostly for quick navigation to related concepts, but it 
> also helps the serendipitous discovery of related concepts. 
>
> In the example you give, you wouldn't technically need backlinking, since 
> each tiddler refers to the other (Country A and City A, for example). But 
> as you hint at, there are plenty of topics where you might not want to go 
> through all the effort of writing out each description fully and with ample 
> backlinks, as you have done. Life is short, and hopefully you are not 
> trying to compete with Wikipedia for completeness. 
>
> I tend to create what I call index tiddlers when I want to create a table 
> of contents on a given topic (say, Index: Country A). I keep that separate 
> from Country A, where I keep the definition and description. But I usually 
> find a way to hide index tiddlers when viewing in context or as 
> transclusion, because index tiddlers tend to be longer.
>
> If you haven't seen Drift, you might also want to see the way it handles 
> references. https://akhater.github.io/drift/ It was inspired by Stroll, 
> but avoids the extra column, and adds tagging and freelinks to the 
> references, which is more thorough.
>
> I don't think the focus on backlinking in Stroll is pulling TiddlyWiki 
> away from its roots. In part it is just making more explicit the backlink 
> feature that already existed in TW. And in part, because ultimately TW is 
> about customization and mixing and matching to create the workflow you 
> need. And that would be my main advice to you as you build the world 
> builder: don't rush to make it public. Play with it for awhile, use it 
> yourself, and tweak it in order to eliminate defects and make it work for 
> your workflow. That way when you do feel comfortable with the 'final' 
> product, you will be able to describe not only the features but a suggested 
> workflow. You need to be able to articulate what WorldBuilder does best, 
> and for what real world use cases.
>
> Not offended, I understood what you meant, and I hope the above helps.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello *David* and thank you very much for your reply, clarification, and 
>> contributions (already given and offered)! I will be sure to only reference 
>> it as Stroll going forward :)
>>
>> If I may ask, and I feel this is from an ignorance on my part so I 
>> apologize, what is the purpose of the bi-directional linking? I understand 
>> the 

[tw5] Re: radio fields /checkboxes slections are not saved

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> well i do find the filed changes after saving , but they dont reflect in 
> the actual check box or radio button, meaning that while  the value is in 
> the field , the selection i previously made is not showing in the check box 
> or radio button, i hope this makes sense
>

aha!  I just noticed, you've used CAPITAL letters for the field references 
in the $select, $radio and $checkbox widgets.  What is happening is that 
the fields are initially being stored in the tiddler as upper case, so 
things seem to be working at first... but then when the file is saved, the 
stored tiddler fieldnames are automatically converted to lower case.  Then, 
when you reload, those tiddler fieldnames no longer match the references in 
the $select, $radio and $checkbox widgets.

As described in the first line of https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields:
TiddlerFields are name:value pairs that make up a tiddler 
. Field names must be *lowercase letters*, 
digits or the characters - (dash), _ (underscore) and . (period).

So... to fix your problem, just change your references to lower case.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Box Layout Tiddly Wiki

[strikke...@gmail.com]

>From the screenshot - Look at Tiddler Saving 


open it for edit, you will find that it is using tiddler 
tw5.come-card-template 

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:10:40 AM UTC+2 Java Development wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have around 12 initial menus which needs to be presented as BOX layout. 
> On clicking the layout it goes to the sub-category and category and finally 
> the result
>
>
> https://www.linuxhowto.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Screenshot-from-2020-07-27-21-11-17.png
>
> How to display the front page with Box Layout? Any good theme is available.
>
> Thanks
>

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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Ton Gerners Tiddlersbar plugin 
 is 
shown in the latest version. Ton Gerner has many wikis and always 
explaining very well how to do. So much to learn from them.

You will find many links to interesting but older plugins. Some works with 
the latest version - some not. Just drag and drop the plugin to your own 
wiki and test if it works. If it doesn't - you can try to ask the original 
author.


On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:38 AM UTC+2 Java Development wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Thank you so much for the links...How to convert all of these to latest 
> tiddly wiki version. Can you please convert them and share me the link if 
> that would be easy?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:20 AM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> Hi Java
>>
>> Here is a link to several "breadcrumb" plugins. Try those first. 
>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=KCURrGnrBRPp0Ff8Vi7aKvWw
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:41:56 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> #1 - Search Bar on top to search for any keyword inside the content
>>> #2 - Yes various categories ..Not a drop down...On click - it goes to 
>>> the next level - multi-level - sub-level cateagories - finally content will 
>>> be rendered
>>> #3 - All the categories are non-collapsable menu - fixed 
>>> #4 - This pattern is useful assume
>>>
>>> Assume - A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 
>>> chapters in each sub-section -> Each Chapter would have 30 paragraphs -> 
>>> Text would be rendered at last
>>>
>>> Assume A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 
>>> chapters in each sub-section -> Text would be rendered on clicking the 
>>> chapters if there are no paragrapahs
>>>
>>> Like breadcrum model - faster and easy navigation..
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:04 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>>
 By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page 
 that has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the 
 Dropdown menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top 
 menu? Or is there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews 
 or the install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as 
 others have said here already, you need to be more specific in what you 
 want to do. 

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:

> Hi TW Jones,
>
> I'm referring to the link 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you 
> can see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.
>
> Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the 
> navigation pattern. 
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> javaDev,
>>
>> I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.
>>
>> Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in 
>> your tiddlers. 
>>
>> We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of 
>> navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems 
>> incomplete.
>>
>> Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour
>>
>> If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.
>>
>> tones
>>
>> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of 
>>> a catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>>>
>>> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>>>
>>> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one 
>>> htmlHowever all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally 
>>> the 
>>> APK inside they have only HTML files with one index file refers to 
>>> several 
>>> index files.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app 
>>> for easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it 
>>> in 
>>> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development 
 wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development <
> javadeve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which 
>> follows the *navigation pattern*? 
>> I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly 
>> wiki with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE 
>> HTML...
>> But not sure how to create one like any one of the below..it 

[tw5] Re: radio fields /checkboxes slections are not saved

[paulgilbert2000]

Thanks Eric,

well i do find the filed changes after saving , but they dont reflect in 
the actual check box or radio button, meaning that while  the value is in 
the field , the selction i previously made is not showing in the check box 
or radio button, i hope this makes sense

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:28:08 AM UTC+2 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> ...they do set the field values , however when i reload the WIKI , the 
>> check boxes are empty and the radio buttons selections are not there...
>>
>
> The checkboxes and radio button selections are stored as fields in the 
> current tiddler, but those field changes won't be preserved unless you 
> actually save your TiddlyWiki file before you reload.
>
> -e
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Unable to save or edit the file...Blocked with tiddly wiki with updates

[Java Development]

Hi,

Unable to save or edit the file...Blocked with tiddly wiki with updates

Attached the screenshot

Thanks

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[tw5] Call stack error in tiddly wiki

[Java Development]

Hi,

I come across a call stack exceeded error in tiddly wiki. is it got fixed
the latest version ?

One surprising thing is - for one text added, i saw a huge text displayed
in the window...

[image: image.png]

Thans

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[tw5] Re: radio fields /checkboxes slections are not saved

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> ...they do set the field values , however when i reload the WIKI , the 
> check boxes are empty and the radio buttons selections are not there...
>

The checkboxes and radio button selections are stored as fields in the 
current tiddler, but those field changes won't be preserved unless you 
actually save your TiddlyWiki file before you reload.

-e




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[tw5] Box Layout Tiddly Wiki

[Java Development]

Hi,

I have around 12 initial menus which needs to be presented as BOX layout. 
On clicking the layout it goes to the sub-category and category and finally 
the result

https://www.linuxhowto.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Screenshot-from-2020-07-27-21-11-17.png

How to display the front page with Box Layout? Any good theme is available.

Thanks

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[tw5] radio fields /checkboxes slections are not saved

[paulgilbert2000]

HI ,

I am having some trouble saving the selections  i make using radio button 
and check boxes

they do set the field values , however when i reload the WIKI , the check 
boxes are empty and the radio buttons selections are not there, is that how 
its meant to work, or am i doing something wrong

Time needed  <$select 
field="ABC"…>

15
30
60
120



<$radio field="A"value="1"> A
<$radio field="A"value="2"> B
<$radio field="A"value="3"> C




<$checkbox field="X" 
checked="8" unchecked="6" default=""> X
<$checkbox field="Y" 
checked="6" unchecked="" default=""> Y 
<$checkbox field="Z" 
checked="8" unchecked="" default=""> Z 


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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[Java Development]

Hi David,

Thank you so much for the links...How to convert all of these to latest
tiddly wiki version. Can you please convert them and share me the link if
that would be easy?

Thanks a lot

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:20 AM David Gifford  wrote:

> Hi Java
>
> Here is a link to several "breadcrumb" plugins. Try those first.
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=KCURrGnrBRPp0Ff8Vi7aKvWw
>
> Enjoy!
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:41:56 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>
>> #1 - Search Bar on top to search for any keyword inside the content
>> #2 - Yes various categories ..Not a drop down...On click - it goes to the
>> next level - multi-level - sub-level cateagories - finally content will be
>> rendered
>> #3 - All the categories are non-collapsable menu - fixed
>> #4 - This pattern is useful assume
>>
>> Assume - A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10
>> chapters in each sub-section -> Each Chapter would have 30 paragraphs ->
>> Text would be rendered at last
>>
>> Assume A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 chapters
>> in each sub-section -> Text would be rendered on clicking the chapters if
>> there are no paragrapahs
>>
>> Like breadcrum model - faster and easy navigation..
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:04 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>>> By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page
>>> that has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the
>>> Dropdown menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top
>>> menu? Or is there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews
>>> or the install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as
>>> others have said here already, you need to be more specific in what you
>>> want to do.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>>>
 Hi TW Jones,

 I'm referring to the link
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you
 can see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.

 Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the
 navigation pattern.

 Thanks

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> javaDev,
>
> I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.
>
> Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in
> your tiddlers.
>
> We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of
> navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems
> incomplete.
>
> Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour
>
> If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.
>
> tones
>
> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>
>> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of
>> a catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>>
>> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>>
>> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one htmlHowever
>> all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally the APK inside 
>> they
>> have only HTML files with one index file refers to several index files.
>>
>> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app
>> for easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it in
>> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have any suggestions on this?

 On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development <
 javadeve...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which
> follows the *navigation pattern*?
> I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly
> wiki with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE
> HTML...
> But not sure how to create one like any one of the below..it
> follows *navigation pattern*
> I'm looking for a good *navigation pattern* in tiddly wiki as
> above.
>

>>> You've used the phrase "navigation pattern" in all four sentences of
>>> your message, and you linked to three apps, each of which shows 
>>> screenshots
>>> for some kind of a catalog for accessing a collection of articles,
>>> but you don't actually describe the navigation pattern in any
>>> detail.  If you provide a more specific explanation of what you are 
>>> trying
>>> to achieve, you might get a better response.
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[Java Development]

Hi Tones,

Now i understand and looking for TOC themes or template as separate wiki to
edit and save

What you have shared huge lot of options seems confusing. Can you please
share two or three TOC themes with the latest Tiddly Wiki version to use one

Thanks a lot

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 4:02 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> The simple answer is yes you can do all of this in TiddlyWiki.
>
> Your question as I understand it is too broad, and the answer too big
> please start by learning about the following
>
>- There is a core plugin you can add for building menus as seen on
>https://tiddlywiki.com
>- Review the use of the different table of contents macros as they
>demonstrate different navigation models.
>- Although aging now I did a menu plugin years ago but you can see how
>I made smart menu items https://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/mymenus/
>- You can learn about popups and drop downs (there is a dropdown menu
>on tags you can customise with $:/tags/TagDropdown)
>- There is now a mechaisium for selectable layouts
>- There are special tags for the placement of content on different
>parts of the page eg $:/tags/TopLeftBar
>
> Best of luck, do ask more questions as needed but we did find it difficult
> to answer this time. I think you may need to do a little more to illustrate
> what you are after. An annotated image, or list of elements are always
> helpful. Also if your questions are too big, and too uncertian, but have
> complex answers people may find it hard to find time to answer, and thus
> don't answer.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 22:41:56 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>
>> #1 - Search Bar on top to search for any keyword inside the content
>> #2 - Yes various categories ..Not a drop down...On click - it goes to the
>> next level - multi-level - sub-level cateagories - finally content will be
>> rendered
>> #3 - All the categories are non-collapsable menu - fixed
>> #4 - This pattern is useful assume
>>
>> Assume - A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10
>> chapters in each sub-section -> Each Chapter would have 30 paragraphs ->
>> Text would be rendered at last
>>
>> Assume A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 chapters
>> in each sub-section -> Text would be rendered on clicking the chapters if
>> there are no paragrapahs
>>
>> Like breadcrum model - faster and easy navigation..
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:04 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>>> By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page
>>> that has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the
>>> Dropdown menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top
>>> menu? Or is there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews
>>> or the install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as
>>> others have said here already, you need to be more specific in what you
>>> want to do.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>>>
 Hi TW Jones,

 I'm referring to the link
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you
 can see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.

 Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the
 navigation pattern.

 Thanks

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> javaDev,
>
> I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.
>
> Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in
> your tiddlers.
>
> We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of
> navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems
> incomplete.
>
> Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour
>
> If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.
>
> tones
>
> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>
>> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of
>> a catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>>
>> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>>
>> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one htmlHowever
>> all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally the APK inside 
>> they
>> have only HTML files with one index file refers to several index files.
>>
>> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app
>> for easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it in
>> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have any suggestions on this?

[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

['Florian Felix' via TiddlyWiki]

Hey all, 
this has been annoying for me, too. I thought, discourse isn‘t that old (or 
other open source hostable solutions), so probably it’s easier to stay 
here. But GG is crap. 
I think discourse is a good Solution that can be implemented first on the 
side, if some „main“ people are willing to commit to do so. I mean mostly 
Jeremy and people who are actively developing and discussing stuff, the 
core community. Discourse  can imo be a good discussion forum for people 
who are already a bit committed to a project and want to discuss it more 
deeply. The better searchability and more asynchronous, forum–not–feed 
approach quite naturally allows for deeper accumulation of knowledge which 
will be accessible for newbies as well. I also often am afraid that if a 
question of mine won’t be answered fastly, it will just drown in the 
endless feed...
so i think a Good first step is moving discussions regarding more specific 
projects to discourse which are a bit more technical and not so much of 
concern for newer people. For example the developers group, discussion 
about next releases, etc. discourse can be helpful bridge between purely 
technical GitHub and social media, it has some functions that also enhance 
that afaik. If people register that they can get their deeper questions 
answered more thoroughly on discourse, because it has a better interface 
and the more expert people usually hang out there, they will move there, 
but not out of idealism.
most discourse forums demand a login, which can be a bit offputting for 
complete newbies. So outlets on „mainstream“ Networks should be maintained 
– Reddit, the matrix channel (which is a bit undervalued :( ) , maybe this 
here... 
discord channels are also quite popular – in order to provide easy 
accessibility for people that are less experienced.
Also I would believe someone in the tiddlycommunity could set up an 
instance? There are several projects involving servers, right?There also 
already is a tiddlywiki subgroup on fission, but I don’t think that’s for 
general purposes (?)
TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Sonntag, 30. Mai 2021 um 08:34:37 UTC+2:

> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. 
>
> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was "dumbed-down" 
> by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made it worse for OUR 
> needs.
>
> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. 
> Search here is the Total Pits.
>
> WHAT happens as a result of that?
>
> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE WHEEL. 
> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST knowledge-base 
> that this GG actually IS. 
> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be patiently 
> RE-answered.
>
> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge 
> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions.
>
> I'm not sure it is possible. 
> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I think?
>
> Just comments
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

It would seem that I was somehow confusing myself earlier as when I reread 
Mat's instructions, after your reply TW, it seemed to click and I was able 
to get it working minus the "Draft of"  I just have three additional 
questions:

1) Why am I tagging the Tiddler that has the code with /tags/EditTemplate 
and not core/ui/EditTemplate as the others are listed when I'm reordering 
the tags?
2) I originally tried pasting Mat's code into the custom edit area of 
Stroll, which also uses the /tags/EditTemplate tag but the define line 
wouldn't activate. Given that both tiddlers follow the same instructions is 
there a reason why one worked and one didn't? The only difference was the 
existence of two other tags and some instructions already in the body of 
the tiddler.
3) Is there a specific place on the TiddlyWiki website where the above 
information is described? When I was attempting to troubleshoot the \define 
line not working I was having a heck of a time trying to follow what was 
written so I'm curious if I was looking in the wrong place.

Thank you!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:37:15 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Mats Suggestion is simple. 
>
> Create a tiddler and insert his code
> Add the tag  $:/tags/EditTemplate" or "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" to place it 
> on the edit and/or view template
>
> This is your introduction to making solutions that apply across all 
> tiddlers. TiddlyWiki has a rich set of features to do what you are asking, 
> this is the main method.
>
> Tones
> On Friday, 4 June 2021 at 07:50:38 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yea, unfortunately I think this is beyond me at the moment. Thanks for 
>> the information though!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> *Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while 
 editing a tiddler?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hm, in edit mode? OK, you could try to put it in a tiddler that you tag 
>>> "$:/tags/EditTemplate" (and click that very tag to reorder where it is 
>>> positionend). You might have to edit the current tiddler or it will 
>>> probably be the Draft ending up as the tag. I'm about to go out so can't 
>>> check exactly which filter operator that is to get the "non Draft" but it's 
>>> there... 
>>>
>>> <:-) 
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[David Gifford]

Hi Java

Here is a link to several "breadcrumb" plugins. Try those first. 
https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=KCURrGnrBRPp0Ff8Vi7aKvWw

Enjoy!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:41:56 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:

> #1 - Search Bar on top to search for any keyword inside the content
> #2 - Yes various categories ..Not a drop down...On click - it goes to the 
> next level - multi-level - sub-level cateagories - finally content will be 
> rendered
> #3 - All the categories are non-collapsable menu - fixed 
> #4 - This pattern is useful assume
>
> Assume - A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 
> chapters in each sub-section -> Each Chapter would have 30 paragraphs -> 
> Text would be rendered at last
>
> Assume A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 chapters 
> in each sub-section -> Text would be rendered on clicking the chapters if 
> there are no paragrapahs
>
> Like breadcrum model - faster and easy navigation..
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:04 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page 
>> that has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the 
>> Dropdown menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top 
>> menu? Or is there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews 
>> or the install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as 
>> others have said here already, you need to be more specific in what you 
>> want to do. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> Hi TW Jones,
>>>
>>> I'm referring to the link 
>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you can 
>>> see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.
>>>
>>> Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the 
>>> navigation pattern. 
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>>
 javaDev,

 I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.

 Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in 
 your tiddlers. 

 We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of 
 navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems 
 incomplete.

 Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour

 If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.

 tones

 On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:

> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of a 
> catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>
> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>
> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one htmlHowever 
> all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally the APK inside 
> they 
> have only HTML files with one index file refers to several index files.
>
> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app 
> for easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it in 
> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman  wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development <
>>> javadeve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which 
 follows the *navigation pattern*? 
 I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly 
 wiki with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE HTML...
 But not sure how to create one like any one of the below..it 
 follows *navigation pattern*
 I'm looking for a good *navigation pattern* in tiddly wiki as 
 above.

>>>
>> You've used the phrase "navigation pattern" in all four sentences of 
>> your message, and you linked to three apps, each of which shows 
>> screenshots 
>> for some kind of a catalog for accessing a collection of articles, 
>> but you don't actually describe the navigation pattern in any 
>> detail.  If you provide a more specific explanation of what you are 
>> trying 
>> to achieve, you might get a better response.
>>
>> -e
>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[David Gifford]

Hi iamdar...

TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in 
tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the 
tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, 
backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to get 
to it.

Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the references 
are at the bottom of each page on Roam. So, since Stroll was an experiment 
to see how much of Roam that I could replicate in TiddlyWiki, I also made 
b-linking visible.

I use backlinks mostly for quick navigation to related concepts, but it 
also helps the serendipitous discovery of related concepts. 

In the example you give, you wouldn't technically need backlinking, since 
each tiddler refers to the other (Country A and City A, for example). But 
as you hint at, there are plenty of topics where you might not want to go 
through all the effort of writing out each description fully and with ample 
backlinks, as you have done. Life is short, and hopefully you are not 
trying to compete with Wikipedia for completeness. 

I tend to create what I call index tiddlers when I want to create a table 
of contents on a given topic (say, Index: Country A). I keep that separate 
from Country A, where I keep the definition and description. But I usually 
find a way to hide index tiddlers when viewing in context or as 
transclusion, because index tiddlers tend to be longer.

If you haven't seen Drift, you might also want to see the way it handles 
references. https://akhater.github.io/drift/ It was inspired by Stroll, but 
avoids the extra column, and adds tagging and freelinks to the references, 
which is more thorough.

I don't think the focus on backlinking in Stroll is pulling TiddlyWiki away 
from its roots. In part it is just making more explicit the backlink 
feature that already existed in TW. And in part, because ultimately TW is 
about customization and mixing and matching to create the workflow you 
need. And that would be my main advice to you as you build the world 
builder: don't rush to make it public. Play with it for awhile, use it 
yourself, and tweak it in order to eliminate defects and make it work for 
your workflow. That way when you do feel comfortable with the 'final' 
product, you will be able to describe not only the features but a suggested 
workflow. You need to be able to articulate what WorldBuilder does best, 
and for what real world use cases.

Not offended, I understood what you meant, and I hope the above helps.







On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello *David* and thank you very much for your reply, clarification, and 
> contributions (already given and offered)! I will be sure to only reference 
> it as Stroll going forward :)
>
> If I may ask, and I feel this is from an ignorance on my part so I 
> apologize, what is the purpose of the bi-directional linking? I understand 
> the functionality, but from a practice standpoint, is the idea just to 
> provide a quick reference/link for convenience (as mentioned Linking in 
> Stroll, part 2 from your site which I just now read a second time and 
> perhaps did so correctly this time lol)? Or is it also way to create a 
> "summary" or "list" of related content? I guess my confusion/over thinking 
> is coming from the idea that if you are writing a wiki entry and link to a 
> related entry then somewhere in that entry there would end up a link back 
> to the original entry. Now I'm saying wiki entry but in this case I mean 
> Tiddler.
>
> IE:
>
> Country A
> Country A is a vast land composed of [[City A]], [[City B]], and [[City 
> C]]. Etc. Etc.
>
> City A
> City A is the capital of [[Country A]] and is due north of [[City B]], and 
> [[City C]]. Etc. Etc.
>
> City B
> City B, is the second largest city of [[Country A]] and can be found south 
> of [[City A]] and west of [[City C]].
>
> City C
> City C, is the smallest all of [[Country A]]'s cities and can be found 
> south of [[City A]] and east of [[City B]].
>
> In order for the bi-directional links of Stroll to work I would need to do 
> the above, or at least have a reference like section where I list out the 
> associated Tiddler links at least once. But haven't I already created a 
> bi-directional link when I linked to/created City A from Country A and then 
> referenced Country A in City A?
>
> I could see not having any content in Country A, simply a tiddler with the 
> title Country A and then having the related contents of City A, B, and C 
> link to [[Country A]] with *Highlights in context* turned on in the 
> Stroll settings. But then how do you determine which Tiddler level to use 
> the "summary"?
>
> There is also the idea that I'm butchering the tiddler method here and am 
> over complicating things by treating TiddlyWiki as something it isn't by 
> default and that Stroll turns it into. I hope I haven't been offensive in 
> my 

[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[TW Tones]

Mats Suggestion is simple. 

Create a tiddler and insert his code
Add the tag  $:/tags/EditTemplate" or "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" to place it on 
the edit and/or view template

This is your introduction to making solutions that apply across all 
tiddlers. TiddlyWiki has a rich set of features to do what you are asking, 
this is the main method.

Tones
On Friday, 4 June 2021 at 07:50:38 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yea, unfortunately I think this is beyond me at the moment. Thanks for the 
> information though!
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:
>
>> *Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while 
>>> editing a tiddler?
>>
>>
>> Hm, in edit mode? OK, you could try to put it in a tiddler that you tag 
>> "$:/tags/EditTemplate" (and click that very tag to reorder where it is 
>> positionend). You might have to edit the current tiddler or it will 
>> probably be the Draft ending up as the tag. I'm about to go out so can't 
>> check exactly which filter operator that is to get the "non Draft" but it's 
>> there... 
>>
>> <:-) 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[TW Tones]

The simple answer is yes you can do all of this in TiddlyWiki.

Your question as I understand it is too broad, and the answer too big 
please start by learning about the following

   - There is a core plugin you can add for building menus as seen 
   on https://tiddlywiki.com
   - Review the use of the different table of contents macros as they 
   demonstrate different navigation models.
   - Although aging now I did a menu plugin years ago but you can see how I 
   made smart menu items https://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/mymenus/
   - You can learn about popups and drop downs (there is a dropdown menu on 
   tags you can customise with $:/tags/TagDropdown)
   - There is now a mechaisium for selectable layouts
   - There are special tags for the placement of content on different parts 
   of the page eg $:/tags/TopLeftBar

Best of luck, do ask more questions as needed but we did find it difficult 
to answer this time. I think you may need to do a little more to illustrate 
what you are after. An annotated image, or list of elements are always 
helpful. Also if your questions are too big, and too uncertian, but have 
complex answers people may find it hard to find time to answer, and thus 
don't answer.

Regards
Tones


On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 22:41:56 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:

> #1 - Search Bar on top to search for any keyword inside the content
> #2 - Yes various categories ..Not a drop down...On click - it goes to the 
> next level - multi-level - sub-level cateagories - finally content will be 
> rendered
> #3 - All the categories are non-collapsable menu - fixed 
> #4 - This pattern is useful assume
>
> Assume - A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 
> chapters in each sub-section -> Each Chapter would have 30 paragraphs -> 
> Text would be rendered at last
>
> Assume A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 chapters 
> in each sub-section -> Text would be rendered on clicking the chapters if 
> there are no paragrapahs
>
> Like breadcrum model - faster and easy navigation..
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:04 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page 
>> that has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the 
>> Dropdown menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top 
>> menu? Or is there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews 
>> or the install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as 
>> others have said here already, you need to be more specific in what you 
>> want to do. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> Hi TW Jones,
>>>
>>> I'm referring to the link 
>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you can 
>>> see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.
>>>
>>> Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the 
>>> navigation pattern. 
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>>
 javaDev,

 I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.

 Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in 
 your tiddlers. 

 We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of 
 navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems 
 incomplete.

 Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour

 If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.

 tones

 On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:

> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of a 
> catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>
> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>
> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one htmlHowever 
> all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally the APK inside 
> they 
> have only HTML files with one index file refers to several index files.
>
> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app 
> for easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it in 
> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman  wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development <
>>> javadeve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which 
 follows the *navigation pattern*? 
 I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly 
 wiki with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE HTML...
 But not sure how to create one like any one 

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Can Create Native Presentations in Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Keynote, and other applications

[TW Tones]

Mohammad,

Nice discovery. Tiddlywiki aligning itself with common open source set of 
file formats, that are themselves supported by the proprietary software 
vendors is  sensible way to go. I would like to simplify the save to file 
template process so people feel more comfortable using tiddlywiki to 
generate common documents as output from there data.

I often see simple html is a common standard (if not dependant on external 
stylesheets and images). Also sometimes there are surprising advantages of 
copy and paste because different apps have ways to handle different paste 
formats.

I mentioned recently a desire to generate PDF directly, but another method 
can be special Print Drivers such as Print to PDF or Print to generic text 
printer (Eg generate local batch, code scripts)

Regaredsa
Tones
On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 14:40:43 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Further thoughts:
>
> Tiddlywiki can export tiddlers or bundles of tiddlers (e.g a booklet, a 
> story, a chapter,...) into JSON, it should be able to export to open office 
> xml (OOXML)
> if so, TW would be able to export to Word, Powerpoint, 
>
> Other possibility to export to Latex, 
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 9:02 AM Mohammad Rahmani  
> wrote:
>
>> I stumbled on an amazing JS library project on GitHub which was recently 
>> launched and simply created a presentation in open office xml
>> which is comparable with Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Keynote, and other 
>> applications!
>>
>> I think it may be used to convert a set of tiddlers to slides and then 
>> click export to save a pptx or similar on your computer local drive.
>>
>> See
>>
>> code: https://github.com/gitbrent/PptxGenJS
>> demo: https://gitbrent.github.io/PptxGenJS/demo/
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

Yea, unfortunately I think this is beyond me at the moment. Thanks for the 
information though!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> *Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while 
>> editing a tiddler?
>
>
> Hm, in edit mode? OK, you could try to put it in a tiddler that you tag 
> "$:/tags/EditTemplate" (and click that very tag to reorder where it is 
> positionend). You might have to edit the current tiddler or it will 
> probably be the Draft ending up as the tag. I'm about to go out so can't 
> check exactly which filter operator that is to get the "non Draft" but it's 
> there... 
>
> <:-) 
>

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Re: [tw5] HttpPlatformHandler 404

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Nathan

The listed URL is working for me; it may have been a temporary failure:

https://www.iis.net/downloads/microsoft/httpplatformhandler

Best wishes

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> On 3 Jun 2021, at 20:57, Nathan Hindle  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> Now you can no longer install HttpPlatformHandler as it gives a 404. Is there 
> an altrernative guide to follow to setup tidlywiki in IIS ?
> 
> Many Thanks,
> 
> Nathan 
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[tw5] HttpPlatformHandler 404

[Nathan Hindle]

Hi All, 

Now you can no longer install HttpPlatformHandler as it gives a 404. Is 
there an altrernative guide to follow to setup tidlywiki in IIS ?

Many Thanks,

Nathan 

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Mat]

>
> *Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while 
> editing a tiddler?


Hm, in edit mode? OK, you could try to put it in a tiddler that you tag 
"$:/tags/EditTemplate" (and click that very tag to reorder where it is 
positionend). You might have to edit the current tiddler or it will 
probably be the Draft ending up as the tag. I'm about to go out so can't 
check exactly which filter operator that is to get the "non Draft" but it's 
there... 

<:-) 

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

*Mat*, where would you put your code so that it was available while editing 
a tiddler?

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Seems to work:
>
> \define t() [[$(currentTiddler)$]] OhterTAG
>
> <$button>
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="MyBase" tags=<> />
> x
> 
>
>
> <:-)
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:53:39 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've been trying to do something that seems like it should be simple but 
>> maybe isn't.
>>
>> I'm in a tiddler called "Three Word Title."
>>
>> I wish to add a tiddler tagged with its name and one other tag, in 
>> response to hitting a button.
>>
>> I would think I'd use something like:
>>
>> <$action-createtiddler $base="MyBase" tags={{{ [] 
>> [[OtherTag]] +[join[ ]] }} />
>>
>> But of course that won't work, it will give it the tags "Three" "Word" 
>> "Title" and "OtherTag."
>>
>> Is there a bulletproof way to turn a list of tiddlers (returned by a 
>> filter) into a list with proper [[]] so it's suitable for use in a tags 
>> field?
>>
>> I could do this by creating the tiddler first, then saving the title, 
>> then sending a tm-add-tag message, but at that point I need a 
>> FieldManglerWidget and it just seems like this ought to be easier.
>>
>> I thought that maybe enlist or enlist-input should do the job but they 
>> don't seem to.
>>
>> I guess another way of summing up my problem would be that I want this:
>>
>> <$vars barBaz="bar baz">
>> "<$text text={{{ [[foo]] [] +[what operator do I want here?[]]  
>> }}}/>"
>> 
>>
>> to somehow produce 
>>
>> "[[foo]] [[bar baz]]"
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Mat]

Seems to work:

\define t() [[$(currentTiddler)$]] OhterTAG

<$button>
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle="MyBase" tags=<> />
x



<:-)
On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:53:39 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been trying to do something that seems like it should be simple but 
> maybe isn't.
>
> I'm in a tiddler called "Three Word Title."
>
> I wish to add a tiddler tagged with its name and one other tag, in 
> response to hitting a button.
>
> I would think I'd use something like:
>
> <$action-createtiddler $base="MyBase" tags={{{ [] 
> [[OtherTag]] +[join[ ]] }} />
>
> But of course that won't work, it will give it the tags "Three" "Word" 
> "Title" and "OtherTag."
>
> Is there a bulletproof way to turn a list of tiddlers (returned by a 
> filter) into a list with proper [[]] so it's suitable for use in a tags 
> field?
>
> I could do this by creating the tiddler first, then saving the title, then 
> sending a tm-add-tag message, but at that point I need a FieldManglerWidget 
> and it just seems like this ought to be easier.
>
> I thought that maybe enlist or enlist-input should do the job but they 
> don't seem to.
>
> I guess another way of summing up my problem would be that I want this:
>
> <$vars barBaz="bar baz">
> "<$text text={{{ [[foo]] [] +[what operator do I want here?[]]  
> }}}/>"
> 
>
> to somehow produce 
>
> "[[foo]] [[bar baz]]"
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Darth Mole]

Hello,

I know this doesn't get you exactly what you are looking for but I thought 
it may help. There is a toolbar option "new here" (shown below) that can be 
turned on that creates a new tiddler with the name of the current tiddler 
as a tag. However, as you point out with the tm-add-tag situation the 
option "new here" option doesn't show when editing, only when viewing the 
tiddler/post save.

[image: Screenshot from 2021-06-03 12-53-27.png]

Sorry if the above setting is the exact same thing as the tm-add-tag 
scenario you mentioned.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-4 Ed Heil wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been trying to do something that seems like it should be simple but 
> maybe isn't.
>
> I'm in a tiddler called "Three Word Title."
>
> I wish to add a tiddler tagged with its name and one other tag, in 
> response to hitting a button.
>
> I would think I'd use something like:
>
> <$action-createtiddler $base="MyBase" tags={{{ [] 
> [[OtherTag]] +[join[ ]] }} />
>
> But of course that won't work, it will give it the tags "Three" "Word" 
> "Title" and "OtherTag."
>
> Is there a bulletproof way to turn a list of tiddlers (returned by a 
> filter) into a list with proper [[]] so it's suitable for use in a tags 
> field?
>
> I could do this by creating the tiddler first, then saving the title, then 
> sending a tm-add-tag message, but at that point I need a FieldManglerWidget 
> and it just seems like this ought to be easier.
>
> I thought that maybe enlist or enlist-input should do the job but they 
> don't seem to.
>
> I guess another way of summing up my problem would be that I want this:
>
> <$vars barBaz="bar baz">
> "<$text text={{{ [[foo]] [] +[what operator do I want here?[]]  
> }}}/>"
> 
>
> to somehow produce 
>
> "[[foo]] [[bar baz]]"
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Tutorial] running your own Node.js TW5 on Microsoft Azure for Free

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Added to TiddlyLinks.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Hello *Mohamed*,

>From my understanding the purpose is similar, but the function is very much 
different. 

Stroll offers bi-directional linking between tiddlers, auto-complete link 
creation within tiddlers, auto-renaming of links when a tiddler title 
changes, and a two column view for side by side viewing.

TiddlyMaps also offers bi-directional linking but the connections are 
displayed in the map tab vs inside the tiddlers themselves. While you can 
show connections between tiddlers based on tags or titles in the maps you 
can also create connections that are only displayed/acknowledge by the map 
plugin. 

Hope this helps and that I'm not too far off the mark.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-4 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> how is this differnet from tiddly maps ?
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:42:27 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a chance to 
>> work on it this past week. During my planning though I came across 
>> something that I got confused about in the beginning.
>>
>> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column view) 
>> and TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. From my 
>> understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was the 
>> predecessor to TiddlyStroll.
>>
>> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder and 
>> TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus the two 
>> column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin being 
>> active).
>>
>> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit has 
>> been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come across/put 
>> together for TiddlyWorldBuilder.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/
>> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html 
>> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
>> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat
>>
>

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[tw5] Create tiddler with tags from variable

[Ed Heil]

Hello,

I've been trying to do something that seems like it should be simple but 
maybe isn't.

I'm in a tiddler called "Three Word Title."

I wish to add a tiddler tagged with its name and one other tag, in response 
to hitting a button.

I would think I'd use something like:

<$action-createtiddler $base="MyBase" tags={{{ [] 
[[OtherTag]] +[join[ ]] }} />

But of course that won't work, it will give it the tags "Three" "Word" 
"Title" and "OtherTag."

Is there a bulletproof way to turn a list of tiddlers (returned by a 
filter) into a list with proper [[]] so it's suitable for use in a tags 
field?

I could do this by creating the tiddler first, then saving the title, then 
sending a tm-add-tag message, but at that point I need a FieldManglerWidget 
and it just seems like this ought to be easier.

I thought that maybe enlist or enlist-input should do the job but they 
don't seem to.

I guess another way of summing up my problem would be that I want this:

<$vars barBaz="bar baz">
"<$text text={{{ [[foo]] [] +[what operator do I want here?[]]  
}}}/>"


to somehow produce 

"[[foo]] [[bar baz]]"


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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Hello *David* and thank you very much for your reply, clarification, and 
contributions (already given and offered)! I will be sure to only reference 
it as Stroll going forward :)

If I may ask, and I feel this is from an ignorance on my part so I 
apologize, what is the purpose of the bi-directional linking? I understand 
the functionality, but from a practice standpoint, is the idea just to 
provide a quick reference/link for convenience (as mentioned Linking in 
Stroll, part 2 from your site which I just now read a second time and 
perhaps did so correctly this time lol)? Or is it also way to create a 
"summary" or "list" of related content? I guess my confusion/over thinking 
is coming from the idea that if you are writing a wiki entry and link to a 
related entry then somewhere in that entry there would end up a link back 
to the original entry. Now I'm saying wiki entry but in this case I mean 
Tiddler.

IE:

Country A
Country A is a vast land composed of [[City A]], [[City B]], and [[City 
C]]. Etc. Etc.

City A
City A is the capital of [[Country A]] and is due north of [[City B]], and 
[[City C]]. Etc. Etc.

City B
City B, is the second largest city of [[Country A]] and can be found south 
of [[City A]] and west of [[City C]].

City C
City C, is the smallest all of [[Country A]]'s cities and can be found 
south of [[City A]] and east of [[City B]].

In order for the bi-directional links of Stroll to work I would need to do 
the above, or at least have a reference like section where I list out the 
associated Tiddler links at least once. But haven't I already created a 
bi-directional link when I linked to/created City A from Country A and then 
referenced Country A in City A?

I could see not having any content in Country A, simply a tiddler with the 
title Country A and then having the related contents of City A, B, and C 
link to [[Country A]] with *Highlights in context* turned on in the Stroll 
settings. But then how do you determine which Tiddler level to use the 
"summary"?

There is also the idea that I'm butchering the tiddler method here and am 
over complicating things by treating TiddlyWiki as something it isn't by 
default and that Stroll turns it into. I hope I haven't been offensive in 
my questions/explanation. Just trying to understand everything better for 
TiddlyWiki use in general, and my own World Builder project.

Thank you in advance for your time!

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:54:17 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Yes, TiddlyBlink (blink = bidirectional link) was my first attempt to 
> imitate Roam in TiddlyWiki. Stroll (not 'TiddlyStroll') was my later 
> experiment that improved on it, with mucho help coming from Saq Imtiaz. 
> TiddlyRoam is just someone else's combination of TiddlyBlink + TiddlyMap.
>
> Grab or adapt anything you like from TiddlyBlink or Stroll that you find 
> helpful.
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a chance to 
>> work on it this past week. During my planning though I came across 
>> something that I got confused about in the beginning.
>>
>> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column view) 
>> and TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. From my 
>> understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was the 
>> predecessor to TiddlyStroll.
>>
>> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder and 
>> TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus the two 
>> column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin being 
>> active).
>>
>> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit has 
>> been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come across/put 
>> together for TiddlyWorldBuilder.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/
>> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html 
>> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
>> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Printing A Tiddler

[Jon Light]

Hi Mat

"Toolbar > More > Open tiddler in new window"

For me that results in a tiddler in a new window *but* minus the tiddler 
title which I usually want.

I did not pursue it since I had the other option "close all other tiddlers" 
to hand - following path of least resistance !

A quick check on the underlying HTML in the new window suggests that the 
title is absent not merely "CSS-non-displayed" - its simply not there - 
intention? bug? limitation? I don't know. 

Just flagging this difference in behaviour for interested parties. 

Jon





On Tuesday, 1 June 2021 at 22:50:51 UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> Tip:
>
> Toolbar > More > Open tiddler in new window
> Right click > Print
>
> That said, I wish there was a direct "print this tiddler" button in the 
> tiddler toolbar.
>
> <:-)
>
> On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 9:20:34 PM UTC+2 da...@bakins-bits.com wrote:
>
>> I also print one or more specific tiddlers this way. 
>>
>> A request:  sounds like you know what you're doing w.r.t. CSS and TW.  
>> Would you mind making your full custom CSS available as an example (for me)?
>>
>> -- David 
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 05:15 Jon Light  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In response to a slight offtopic on the thread "Issue with PrintRiver 
>>> plugin" I thought it was worth mentioning other methods of printing 
>>> Tiddlers.
>>>
>>> I took a fairly simple approach as follows.
>>>
>>>- I simply find the tiddler of interest and use the existing Tool 
>>>item PRINT.
>>>- This prints the whole page which equates to the story river 
>>>- I therefore use the pull down from the Tiddler menu "Close Others" 
>>>now I have only one tiddler in the Story River - then I print - very 
>>> quick 
>>>and fuss free as long as you like the existing defaults on what actually 
>>>gets printed.
>>>
>>> Its an easy sequence. 
>>>
>>> Subsequent "fussy" refinements
>>>
>>> I preferred to print tags with tiddler so my custom CSS contains @media 
>>> statements for printer specific CSS which include making tags in the 
>>> tiddler visible for the print.
>>>
>>> I also like to use CSS floats to place text to one side of the other of 
>>> images, the problem is that page breaks and images are difficult when 
>>> printing. 
>>>
>>> The browser may make the decision to move an image to the next side of 
>>> paper but still allows the floated text that should appear alongside the 
>>> image to appear instead on the previous side - kind of ignoring that the 
>>> image got bumped to the next page. 
>>>
>>> I added extra CSS to my Custom CSS tiddler for this situation 
>>>
>>> @media print { blockquote.CLEARP { page-break-after: always; } } 
>>> @media screen { blockquote.CLEARP { clear: both; display:block; border: 
>>> 0px solid #ddd; }}
>>>
>>> This means when I preview the print out I can add blockquotes with class 
>>> CLEARP to force a new page for the printed version. - crude but it works 
>>> ok, I only use floats in tiddler articles over which I have lavished a bit 
>>> of Tender Loving Care so I am happy to spend the time preparing the print 
>>> in these cases. 
>>>
>>> I must revisit the PrintRiver Plugin sometime - I parted company with it 
>>> because the problems I experienced with reveal before a kind soul on this 
>>> forum suggested I use the detail tag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[David Gifford]

Yes, TiddlyBlink (blink = bidirectional link) was my first attempt to 
imitate Roam in TiddlyWiki. Stroll (not 'TiddlyStroll') was my later 
experiment that improved on it, with mucho help coming from Saq Imtiaz. 
TiddlyRoam is just someone else's combination of TiddlyBlink + TiddlyMap.

Grab or adapt anything you like from TiddlyBlink or Stroll that you find 
helpful.
On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a chance to 
> work on it this past week. During my planning though I came across 
> something that I got confused about in the beginning.
>
> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column view) and 
> TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. From my 
> understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was the 
> predecessor to TiddlyStroll.
>
> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder and 
> TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus the two 
> column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin being 
> active).
>
> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit has 
> been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come across/put 
> together for TiddlyWorldBuilder.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/
> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html 
> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[paulgilbert2000]

how is this differnet from tiddly maps ?

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:42:27 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a chance to 
> work on it this past week. During my planning though I came across 
> something that I got confused about in the beginning.
>
> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column view) and 
> TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. From my 
> understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was the 
> predecessor to TiddlyStroll.
>
> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder and 
> TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus the two 
> column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin being 
> active).
>
> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit has 
> been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come across/put 
> together for TiddlyWorldBuilder.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/
> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html 
> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat
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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[Java Development]

#1 - Search Bar on top to search for any keyword inside the content
#2 - Yes various categories ..Not a drop down...On click - it goes to the
next level - multi-level - sub-level cateagories - finally content will be
rendered
#3 - All the categories are non-collapsable menu - fixed
#4 - This pattern is useful assume

Assume - A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 chapters
in each sub-section -> Each Chapter would have 30 paragraphs -> Text would
be rendered at last

Assume A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 chapters
in each sub-section -> Text would be rendered on clicking the chapters if
there are no paragrapahs

Like breadcrum model - faster and easy navigation..

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:04 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page
> that has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the
> Dropdown menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top
> menu? Or is there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews
> or the install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as
> others have said here already, you need to be more specific in what you
> want to do.
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>
>> Hi TW Jones,
>>
>> I'm referring to the link
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you can
>> see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.
>>
>> Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the
>> navigation pattern.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> javaDev,
>>>
>>> I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.
>>>
>>> Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in
>>> your tiddlers.
>>>
>>> We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of
>>> navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems
>>> incomplete.
>>>
>>> Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour
>>>
>>> If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> tones
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>>>
 May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of a
 catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles

 But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...

 Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one htmlHowever
 all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally the APK inside they
 have only HTML files with one index file refers to several index files.

 I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app
 for easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it in
 Tiddly wiki would be awesome...

 Thanks

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development <
>> javadeve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which
>>> follows the *navigation pattern*?
>>> I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly
>>> wiki with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE HTML...
>>> But not sure how to create one like any one of the below..it follows 
>>> *navigation
>>> pattern*
>>> I'm looking for a good *navigation pattern* in tiddly wiki as above.
>>>
>>
> You've used the phrase "navigation pattern" in all four sentences of
> your message, and you linked to three apps, each of which shows 
> screenshots
> for some kind of a catalog for accessing a collection of articles,
> but you don't actually describe the navigation pattern in any detail.
> If you provide a more specific explanation of what you are trying to
> achieve, you might get a better response.
>
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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[David Gifford]

By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page that 
has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the Dropdown 
menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top menu? Or is 
there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews or the 
install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as others have 
said here already, you need to be more specific in what you want to do. 

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:

> Hi TW Jones,
>
> I'm referring to the link 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you can 
> see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.
>
> Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the 
> navigation pattern. 
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> javaDev,
>>
>> I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.
>>
>> Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in 
>> your tiddlers. 
>>
>> We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of 
>> navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems 
>> incomplete.
>>
>> Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour
>>
>> If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.
>>
>> tones
>>
>> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of a 
>>> catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>>>
>>> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>>>
>>> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one htmlHowever 
>>> all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally the APK inside they 
>>> have only HTML files with one index file refers to several index files.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app for 
>>> easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it in 
>>> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman  wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development <
> javadeve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which 
>> follows the *navigation pattern*? 
>> I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly 
>> wiki with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE HTML...
>> But not sure how to create one like any one of the below..it follows 
>> *navigation 
>> pattern*
>> I'm looking for a good *navigation pattern* in tiddly wiki as above.
>>
>
 You've used the phrase "navigation pattern" in all four sentences of 
 your message, and you linked to three apps, each of which shows 
 screenshots 
 for some kind of a catalog for accessing a collection of articles, 
 but you don't actually describe the navigation pattern in any detail.  
 If you provide a more specific explanation of what you are trying to 
 achieve, you might get a better response.

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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

[Java Development]

Hi TW Jones,

I'm referring to the link
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you can see
the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.

Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the
navigation pattern.

Thanks

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> javaDev,
>
> I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.
>
> Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in your
> tiddlers.
>
> We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of navigating
> content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems incomplete.
>
> Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour
>
> If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.
>
> tones
>
> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>
>> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of a
>> catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>>
>> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>>
>> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one htmlHowever all
>> the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally the APK inside they
>> have only HTML files with one index file refers to several index files.
>>
>> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app for
>> easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it in
>> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have any suggestions on this?

 On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development 
 wrote:

> Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which follows
> the *navigation pattern*?
> I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly wiki
> with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE HTML...
> But not sure how to create one like any one of the below..it follows 
> *navigation
> pattern*
> I'm looking for a good *navigation pattern* in tiddly wiki as above.
>

>>> You've used the phrase "navigation pattern" in all four sentences of
>>> your message, and you linked to three apps, each of which shows screenshots
>>> for some kind of a catalog for accessing a collection of articles,
>>> but you don't actually describe the navigation pattern in any detail.
>>> If you provide a more specific explanation of what you are trying to
>>> achieve, you might get a better response.
>>>
>>> -e
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[tw5] Re: Will NoteSelf work with Stroll?

[Jon Light]

Hi Jerrold,

You say "I am just new to this environment" and that is what I am picking 
up on here...

One way forward is to first play around with the base which is Tiddlywiki 
(5) - you can download a single HTML file - play and delete with no 
commitment, installs - just a 'no consequences' trash around play session.

Tiddlywiki  is the underlying 'engine' for stroll which is why I suggest 30 
mins trying out the "vanilla" (ie Tiddlywiki) first.

I use elements of Stroll myself so not advising against it - just 
suggesting that you may come away with a better overview if you play around 
with Tiddlywiki first before playing around with the various offerings that 
are built on top of it.

The flexibility of Tiddlywiki means that developers have created platforms 
ontop of Tiddlywiki that offer goodies not found in Tiddlywiki - but to 
have a feel for the base might give you a better overview - some people 
might disagree and advise going straight to Stroll. It might help to 
understand that everything in Tiddlywiki is a tiddler - people who have 
built upon tiddlywiki have effectively added more tiddlers - its very 
organic in nature and lends itself to customisation way beyond most 
applications. 

The great thing about Tiddlywiki (standalone version) being in one file and 
accessible through your browser is that its so easy to evaluate - just 
download one html file, open it in your browser and play around, just get 
to the stage where you can create tiddlers, link them, import images 
perhaps and include them and save the resulting file as your latest version 
- everything else will spin out from there. 

I never migrated to the "autosave" plugins or server based versions of 
Tiddlywiki - I like the simplicity of the stand alone Tiddlywiki way of 
working ie a single html file and I have always taken personal 
responsibility for saving - I never liked to rely on auto save features in 
any application so it is a foreign way of working for me - strange for 
someone who worked in IT for decades but I have never liked to rely on 
anything but myself for ensuring backups and ability to go back to a 
particular date.  

My wiki has hundreds of hours work invested, I manually backup to several 
different media periodically including my phone which in turn offers me the 
option to *read* my Wiki whilst on a bus or train but the operative word is 
"read" - the only time I "write" is on my laptop ( the authorised version ) 
- people who like to sync and write from any device will not share my 
enthusiasm for that way of working and will want the more sophisticated 
server options.  

But all the same if you are really new to the whole thing and just want to 
get your feet wet then why not evaluate the base first - ie standalone 
Tiddlywiki - single file - "self save" and get your toes wet ?

Here the fallback saver method which is the only one I ever use !

https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520with%2520the%2520HTML5%2520fallback%2520saver.html

Note carefully in the above point 5 for saving - locate the circle symbol 
with the tick inside - your browser will treat this as a downloaded file - 
worth checking out options in your browser so that for instance it always 
asks where you want to  place the file rather than the default of a 
downloads folder - in Firefox I have options to state destination and it 
remembers my last choice for next time. 

Developers who create on top of Tiddlywiki usually seem to bundle together 
components in a plug and play manner so very often if you want a particular 
feature you can add it just by importing a few tiddlers grouped as a plugin 
into your base wiki, for instance I did not adopt all of Stroll but I 
especially liked the Bidirectional linking which means that when I link 
tiddler A to B then I automatically get a reciprocal link from B to A 
appearing at the end of B and many great options in that one too!

If I had gone straight to offerings built on top of Tiddlywiki I would have 
understood less about the base - I might not have understood that by 
carefully selecting plugins and elements from those offerings I could 
define my own custom setup that suits me best - ie I took Bidirectional 
linking from Stroll - a favourites plugin from elsewhere, my tags menu is 
based on help received on this forum which I later expanded and customised 
as my needs evolved.  

The lesson I learnt really is that we all say "I want something that works 
with our brain" but our brains work differently, especially when they are 
asked to perform different tasks in the sense that you and I will be using 
Tiddlywiki for completely different purposes ( probably ! ) and our brains 
develop with the tools we use - we change over time and learn new ways of 
working as we use the tools designed to help us - I would go for the 
organic nature of Tiddlywiki ( and it's derivatives ) anytime because I 
have not seen anything else that offers this level of organic customisation.

Recent 

Re: [tw5] [Help] Color them icons and buttons.

[Álvaro]

Hi Tones

I think that the following CSS (in StyleSheet tiddler) could work for you 

.tc-tiddler-controls button svg{fill: inherit;}
.tc-tiddler-controls button{fill: <>;}


El jueves, 20 de mayo de 2021 a las 21:15:26 UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter escribió:

> Ciao Tones
>
> You may want to engage in discussion at 
> https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions
>
> Slowly we are beginning to work through multiple issues on SVG 
> opportunities opened up by  Morosanuae's TW Icons initiative ...
>
> I am myself particularly interested in understanding the of styling Icons 
> ...
>
> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-20 203000.jpg]
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 00:55:07 UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Heree is a simple example of how quickly coloring a button is confounded
>>
>> \define colour() #f00
>> <$button>
>> addsuffix[;]] 
>> }}}>{{$:/core/images/spiral}}
>> 
>>
>> in a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewToolbar all custom color is lost.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Printing A Tiddler

[Jon Light]

Hi David

I should add that I added to my /*comments*/ in places so whilst the above 
CSS was cut and paste from something that does work it is always possible
that I messed up with the additional comments which I added whilst editing 
the post - if something does not work try removing the comments first or 
look for an error in the comments.


On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 10:21:36 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Actually my Custom CSS tiddler is a mess because its in a constant state 
> of experimentation and flux - however I certainly don't mind sharing it 
> with you.
>
> See the following post on a custom CSS tiddler 
> https://tiddlywiki.narkive.com/uckGnsam/tw-custom-stylesheet
>
> My basic pattern of use is that I use the blockquote to do just about any 
> customisation to a block, there are other ways to do this...
>
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Styles%2520and%2520Classes%2520in%2520WikiText.html
>
> ... but I have got used to using my mouse to select the text I want to do 
> some styling on and so I prefer to "customise/over ride/abuse" the 
> blockquote, if you are more
> of a keyboard person you may prefer the method in the link above. I say 
> abuse because my use of blockquote is not  restricted to quotes so perhaps 
> I think of it as "blockstyle" where the default is a quote.
>
> I try and pick short class names I will not forget, the whole point of 
> this is for me is that it is supposed to be quick and easy - I use upper 
> case for class names so they stand out. 
>
> So I use my mouse to select the text ( often a few paragraphs in my case ) 
> and get the following after clicking on the blockquote tool on the tiddler 
> menu.
>
> <<<
> Here is my paragraph of text or perhaps an image
> <<<
>
> I then add my custom class
>
> <<<.XX
> Here is my paragraph of text or perhaps an image with CSS class XX applied
> <<<
>
> Here is my full Custom CSS as you requested
> 
>
> Do note that it is just thrown together so not intended to be neat or 
> tidy, once I have achieved something that does what I want I tend
> to just go with it, I guess one day I might tidy and clean but I am still 
> working out what I actually want to see so as long as the CSS works I go
> with it. 
>
> Of course some of these choices (colours for instance) reflect choices I 
> made in the Tiddlywiki options menus so they will most likely
> clash or look odd in another TW where different choices were made.  
>
> It works on Firefox which is the browser I always use - you might find 
> some bits don't work on another browser or an older version
> of Firefox - again I coded the CSS for private use so I was never bothered 
> if it worked on Edge or Opera etc. 
>
> ___
>
>  /* the following provides a custom quote-block which is intended for my 
> annotations to someone else's writing - ie 'notes' within quotes */ 
> blockquote.JL { margin-left: 0px; box-shadow: 1px 1px 5px rgba(0, 0, 0, 
> 0.3); 
> border-radius: 2px; 
> border: 1px solid #ddd; 
> padding-left: 1rem; 
> padding-right: 1rem; 
> margin-bottom: 3rem; 
> color:#777; } 
>
> /* not currently used maybe useful one day  */
> blockquote.JL::before { content: ""; } 
>
> /* for mobile size adjustments */ 
> @media screen and (max-width: 600px) 
> { .tc-tiddler-controls button svg, 
>   .tc-tiddler-controls button img { height: 0.45em !important; width: 
> 0.65em !important; } 
>   .tc-titlebar h2 { font-size: 0.8em !important; line-height: 1.0em 
> !important; } } 
>
> /*changed my mind on this currently not used - on reflection I think I 
> like the border so allow TD defaults to apply */
> /*I have added class Q to all blockquotes that otherwise have no custom 
> class so un-comment this to change default quotes everywhere */
> /*blockquote.Q { margin-left: 0.5rem; border: 0px solid #ddd; margin-left: 
> 0px; color:#555; }*/ 
>
> /* used to centre text */ 
> blockquote.CT { text-align: center; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
>
> /* used to float left / right an image that is placed in a quote */ 
> blockquote.FL { float: left !important; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
> blockquote.FR { float: right !important; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
>
> /* normal float clear is not much use for print outs - page breaks !! */
> blockquote.CLEAR { clear: both; display:block; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
>
> /* Attempt to gain some control on floats for printing - substitute the 
> usual clear both by page-break-after 'always' */
> @media print { blockquote.CLEARP { page-break-after: always; } } 
> @media screen { blockquote.CLEARP { clear: both; display:block; border: 
> 0px solid #ddd; } } 
>
> /* add clear-fix to tiddler body to support floats otherwise if image 
> height is greater than surrounding container it will overflow */ 
> .tc-tiddler-body { overflow: auto; } 
>
> /* customisation of details widget for more details button */ 
> details { background-color: #fff ! important; } 
> details summary { 

Re: [tw5] Printing A Tiddler

[Jon Light]

Hi David

Actually my Custom CSS tiddler is a mess because its in a constant state of 
experimentation and flux - however I certainly don't mind sharing it with 
you.

See the following post on a custom CSS tiddler 
https://tiddlywiki.narkive.com/uckGnsam/tw-custom-stylesheet

My basic pattern of use is that I use the blockquote to do just about any 
customisation to a block, there are other ways to do this...

https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Styles%2520and%2520Classes%2520in%2520WikiText.html

... but I have got used to using my mouse to select the text I want to do 
some styling on and so I prefer to "customise/over ride/abuse" the 
blockquote, if you are more
of a keyboard person you may prefer the method in the link above. I say 
abuse because my use of blockquote is not  restricted to quotes so perhaps 
I think of it as "blockstyle" where the default is a quote.

I try and pick short class names I will not forget, the whole point of this 
is for me is that it is supposed to be quick and easy - I use upper case 
for class names so they stand out. 

So I use my mouse to select the text ( often a few paragraphs in my case ) 
and get the following after clicking on the blockquote tool on the tiddler 
menu.

<<<
Here is my paragraph of text or perhaps an image
<<<

I then add my custom class

<<<.XX
Here is my paragraph of text or perhaps an image with CSS class XX applied
<<<

Here is my full Custom CSS as you requested


Do note that it is just thrown together so not intended to be neat or tidy, 
once I have achieved something that does what I want I tend
to just go with it, I guess one day I might tidy and clean but I am still 
working out what I actually want to see so as long as the CSS works I go
with it. 

Of course some of these choices (colours for instance) reflect choices I 
made in the Tiddlywiki options menus so they will most likely
clash or look odd in another TW where different choices were made.  

It works on Firefox which is the browser I always use - you might find some 
bits don't work on another browser or an older version
of Firefox - again I coded the CSS for private use so I was never bothered 
if it worked on Edge or Opera etc. 

___

 /* the following provides a custom quote-block which is intended for my 
annotations to someone else's writing - ie 'notes' within quotes */ 
blockquote.JL { margin-left: 0px; box-shadow: 1px 1px 5px rgba(0, 0, 0, 
0.3); 
border-radius: 2px; 
border: 1px solid #ddd; 
padding-left: 1rem; 
padding-right: 1rem; 
margin-bottom: 3rem; 
color:#777; } 

/* not currently used maybe useful one day  */
blockquote.JL::before { content: ""; } 

/* for mobile size adjustments */ 
@media screen and (max-width: 600px) 
{ .tc-tiddler-controls button svg, 
  .tc-tiddler-controls button img { height: 0.45em !important; width: 
0.65em !important; } 
  .tc-titlebar h2 { font-size: 0.8em !important; line-height: 1.0em 
!important; } } 

/*changed my mind on this currently not used - on reflection I think I like 
the border so allow TD defaults to apply */
/*I have added class Q to all blockquotes that otherwise have no custom 
class so un-comment this to change default quotes everywhere */
/*blockquote.Q { margin-left: 0.5rem; border: 0px solid #ddd; margin-left: 
0px; color:#555; }*/ 

/* used to centre text */ 
blockquote.CT { text-align: center; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 

/* used to float left / right an image that is placed in a quote */ 
blockquote.FL { float: left !important; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
blockquote.FR { float: right !important; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 

/* normal float clear is not much use for print outs - page breaks !! */
blockquote.CLEAR { clear: both; display:block; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 

/* Attempt to gain some control on floats for printing - substitute the 
usual clear both by page-break-after 'always' */
@media print { blockquote.CLEARP { page-break-after: always; } } 
@media screen { blockquote.CLEARP { clear: both; display:block; border: 0px 
solid #ddd; } } 

/* add clear-fix to tiddler body to support floats otherwise if image 
height is greater than surrounding container it will overflow */ 
.tc-tiddler-body { overflow: auto; } 

/* customisation of details widget for more details button */ 
details { background-color: #fff ! important; } 
details summary { background-color:#fff ! important; } 
details { padding: 0 0.5em 0 0.0em ! important; } 
details > summary { margin: 0 -0.5em 0 0.0em ! important; 
padding: 0.2em 0.5em 0.2em 0.0em ! important; 
padding-left: 0em ! important; 
text-indent: 0em ! important; 
color:purple ! important; } 

details[open] > summary { color:purple ! important; } 

/* I would like tags to be printed when I print out a tiddler but not the 
more details 'button' - well its not really a button!   */
/* display 'block' is used here to over-ride display 'none' */
/* these should be combined into one block */ 
@media print {.tc-tags-wrapper