[tw5] Re: Comparing Tiddlers in Two TiddlyWiki instances: Step 1

[Riz]

Hi cj.v,

> Man, I wish you had started a separate discussion thread (with a link 
back to this one and a link from this one) related to that for a full 
discussion "over there" instead of intertwingling that with the intent of 
the original post.

Sorry about that. It was unintentional, I hope you consider that. 

> What benefit would we get replacing that simple code with javascript?

It was a tangential thought. I assume you are showcasing a single-response 
API.  If we parse the search parameters into a widget and respond to the 
query in a `switch-case` tree, the code block could be more manageable, 
less fragmented. Calling entirely different branches from a single point in 
a much less verbose way, DRY too. 

Again, in contrast to your take on JavaScript - mine goes the other way 
around. Prefer JS over TW WikiText. More chances of finding a solution in 
internet if I run into an issue, and the knowledge I acquire during the 
process will come handy outside the context of TW. 

Sincerely,
Riz

On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 22:31:50 UTC+5:30 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Aside:*
>
> Man, I wish you had started a separate discussion thread (with a link back 
> to this one and a link from this one) related to that for a full discussion 
> "over there" instead of intertwingling that with the intent of the original 
> post.
>
> Because what you bring up is worthy of its own thread.
>
> Mostly: I have a couple of cognitive disabilities, and I get confused and 
> overwhelmed when various threads of discussion are all mixed together 
> branching off in really different ways all on the same web page.)
>
> Not your problem, but if I stop participating in this thread (i.e. not 
> answering questions related to the original post), I hope folk understand 
> why I'm out.
>
> *Now, back to Riz' post:*
>
> You are referring to this thing which decides whether or not to enter a 
> process of reporting info about all tiddlers to Session Storage:
>
> `<$list filter="[[$:/info/url/search]get[text]regexp[action=do_rpt]]">`
>
> Although I cannot stand doing things in javascript, there are two 
> scenarios in which I will use javascript:
>
>- there is no choice but to do it in javascript
>- it is more painful doing it without javascript than to do it with 
>javascript
>
> What you're suggesting is an immediate "oh hell no" fight or flight 
> reaction by this kid.
>
> Why on earth would I use javascript when I could just have multiple of 
> those lines for various processing?
>
> For example:
>
> `
> <$list filter="[[$:/info/url/search]get[text]regexp[action=do_process_A]]">
> ...
> 
> <$list filter="[[$:/info/url/search]get[text]regexp[action=do_process_B]]">
> ...
> 
> <$list filter="[[$:/info/url/search]get[text]regexp[action=do_process_C]]">
> ...
> 
> <$list filter="[[$:/info/url/search]get[text]regexp[action=do_process_D]]">
> ...
> 
> `
>
> That seems pretty clear and concise with just TiddlyWiki syntax.
>
> What benefit would we get replacing that simple code with javascript?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-3 Riz wrote:
>
>> This is a cool trick. With a little JavaScript you can remove the regex 
>> based processing of URL and expand it beyond a single action.
>>
>> Ref: https://www.sitepoint.com/get-url-parameters-with-javascript/
>> On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 07:50:47 UTC+5:30 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Step 1: Getting a TiddlyWiki to report tiddler info (created and 
>>> modified dates) to Session Storage.  Process triggered by "?action=do_rpt" 
>>> appended to a TiddlyWiki's URL.
>>>
>>> https://cjveniot.neocities.org/TW_A.html?action=do_rpt
>>>
>>> Relevant/necessary tiddlers:
>>>
>>>- SetSessionStorageItem.js
>>>- Post Render Startup Actions
>>>
>>> Copy the two tiddlers above into a TiddlyWiki, save, refresh, and add 
>>> "?action-do_rpt" to the url.
>>>
>>> *[image: Screenshot 2022-03-15 11.17.20 PM.png]*
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Comparing Tiddlers in Two TiddlyWiki instances: Step 1

[Riz]

This is a cool trick. With a little JavaScript you can remove the regex 
based processing of URL and expand it beyond a single action.

Ref: https://www.sitepoint.com/get-url-parameters-with-javascript/
On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 07:50:47 UTC+5:30 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Step 1: Getting a TiddlyWiki to report tiddler info (created and modified 
> dates) to Session Storage.  Process triggered by "?action=do_rpt" appended 
> to a TiddlyWiki's URL.
>
> https://cjveniot.neocities.org/TW_A.html?action=do_rpt
>
> Relevant/necessary tiddlers:
>
>- SetSessionStorageItem.js
>- Post Render Startup Actions
>
> Copy the two tiddlers above into a TiddlyWiki, save, refresh, and add 
> "?action-do_rpt" to the url.
>
> *[image: Screenshot 2022-03-15 11.17.20 PM.png]*
>
>

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[tw5] Re: tekan plugin and "get more plugins" conflict, fyi

[Riz]

I honestly would want to. However, time crunch is still an issue. I am not 
able to contribute in any major way to the community in a long time and 
right now I am trying to do little things. Tekan would take a large chunk 
of time which I cannot spare right now. 

On Thursday, 9 December 2021 at 19:09:37 UTC+5:30 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Riz
>
> Any plans to release an updated Tekkan plug in
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 11:59:48 PM UTC+5:30 arun babu wrote:
>
>> Hi Riz,
>>
>> Is there any update available for Tekan  plug in as told by you in an 
>> earlier post? I noticed that close button of modals in tobibeer's ibox 
>> macro is not seen if Tekan plug in is installed.
>>
>> On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 1:20:09 PM UTC+5:30 joshua@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am excited to hear that! I was going to take a shot at it myself, but 
>>> am looking forward to seeing your next iteration.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua F
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 12:17:57 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tekan was moved to standalone edition 
>>>> <https://ibnishak.github.io/Tekkan/Tekkan%20Demo.html>. There was 
>>>> similar conflicts which made the plugin rather difficult to work with.
>>>>
>>>> However, latest updates to TW5 has made so many of these conflicts 
>>>> resolvable. I am in the process of updating both the plugin and standalone 
>>>> edition of Tekkan. !0-15 days possibly.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely
>>>> Riz
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Triggering ActionWidget (e.g., action-setfield) programmatically from a macro

[Riz]

You can rewire the save tiddler button to check for the presence of words 
in tiddler text and if yes, execute actions. I assume the search operator 
will come handy.  

On Wednesday, 8 December 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC+5:30 Sid T. wrote:

> Hi, I'm trying to understand how to programmatically add a field or tag to 
> a tiddler.
>
> I'm trying to auto add tag or field to my tiddlers. My thought was to use 
> a macro, such that whenever I add it to a tiddler's text, the macro adds a 
> tag or field value to the current tiddler. 
>
> Examples on TW5 show a button that needs to be clicked, but I'm looking to 
> do something like the following:
>
> \define todo()
> To Do
> <$action-setfield field="mytodo" value="todo"/>
>
> \end
> ---
>
> <> // adds a field "mytodo" with value "todo"
>
> Thanks!
> Sid
>

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[tw5] Re: Help configuring Timimi and autosave

[Riz]

Hi

Timimi author here. I don't have anything to add to the comments given 
above. The best case workflows are as mentioned above. 

I merely dropped in to apologize for not replying earlier. Google groups in 
mobile somehow does not show the option to reply to posts now.

On Sunday, 22 November 2020 at 04:40:53 UTC+5:30 IvanPsy wrote:

> Thanks to this community I installed Timimi on Firefox and made it work.
>
> Now, when I save the Tiddly Wiki, I find many backups of the same Tiddly.
> But I want just one save as I find all of this confusing.
>
> So my need is:
> When I save my Tiddly no copies are saved.
> My Tidly is always saved on the same file, so I find only one file in the 
> folder (I open Tiddly on iPhone, iPad and Mac, so having several backups 
> confuse me since I can't remember which one was the last one).
>
> I checked the settings in Timimi, but I wasn't able to understand how to 
> configure properly.
>
> Any tips?
>

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[tw5] Re: Instructions for saving single file in Chrome, with and without Timimi

[Riz]

Hi David

Chrome has one more step

- In your chrome browser, open More Tools > Extensions > Timimi > Details
- Ensure that *Allow access to file URLs* is checked.

On Wednesday, 14 October 2020 at 06:15:40 UTC+5:30 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> I am doing a tutorial in Spanish on downloading Timimi for Firefox and for 
> Chrome, in Windows.
>
> The Firefox part was easy. When Timimi is downloaded, and I click 'done' 
> after editing a tiddler, the changes save to the file. No need to even 
> click the save changes button.
>
> But I am struggling to understand how TiddlyWiki saves in Chrome. I have 
> used Firefox for years. 
>
> I installed Timimi for Chrome, thinking that by doing this, Chrome would 
> then save changes to the file. But when I closed a tiddler, the save 
> changes button turned red. Ok, so an extra step. fine. But when I click the 
> save changes button, it asks me where to save a backup file! So now a third 
> step: remove the (1) from the file name. Then it asks me if I want to 
> replace the existing file. Fifth step.
>
> Am I missing something here? Is saving with Chrome really that 
> complicated, even with Timimi? What is the proper, streamlined way to save 
> changes without creating backups in Chrome? 
>
> Thanks for your help. I doubt I am going to convince all my potential 
> audience to switch to Firefox, so I need to know how to explain things for 
> Chrome in Windows. (I will also do instructions for node.js, but I know how 
> to do that)
>
> Thanks in advance, Dave
>

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[tw5] For a reader, is TiddlyWiki better than reading a PDF, and why?

[Riz]

Yes.
PDF do not flow text, which makes it hard to read in mobile phones. PDFs are 
not easily annotable. The solutions for annotating PDF either permanently 
modifies the file or keeps the annotations tied to that software which might 
not be available cross platform. Epub annotations follow the same story. 

TiddlyWiki allows you to annotate the book and avail annotations in all 
browsers.

 Of all the purposes TiddlyWiki is proposed to be suited for, ebooks and 
documentation is the best IMO

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[tw5] Re: Do you guys want another Tiddly app for Android?

[Riz]

Being on the subject, I think cloud sync could be a welcome feature, as long as 
local sync is also enabled.

Also if anyone could work on a native editor interface for tiddlywiki on small 
screens that would be awesome.

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[tw5] Default text and tags for new tiddlers

[Riz]

1. Create one Tiddler with your required tags and text. Let us say this Tiddler 
is named "mytiddler"
2. Go to advanced search>shadows tab and search for Tiddler named 
"$:/core/ui/Actions/new-tiddler". 
3. Change the text in "$:/core/ui/Actions/new-tiddler" to the following

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" $param="mytiddler"/>

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[tw5] Git as syncadapter

[Riz]

A separate file watcher would be a low key solution. Watch a specific Tiddler 
and trigger commit if content changes 

It would be interesting to see if webserver API can be extended to create an 
endpoint to do this.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Riz]

So minor changes:

1. Single file is the first option now among flavours
2. TiddlyDesktop is the first option among savers
3. Tiddlyserver is specially mentioned in Installing Nod.JS Tiddler. I guess 
people who look for node will be the ones most interested to try out 
Tiddlyserver.

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Riz]

Hi,

So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here: 
https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/

Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. Some other 
major changes

1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out above, most 
options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options are platform 
bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise it is subdivided 
to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average users might want to see 
first".
2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified.
3. Advice boxes CSS is updated.
4. Wizard as discussed above.

I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few - HTA 
hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints regarding 
instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more knowledgeable might 
want to look into these. Actual users of individual saver methods could 
eventually update the docs with detailed instructions to set up individual 
savers. 

 Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the following.

1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only one saver 
would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy will not be 
updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion.
2.  Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step matters - 
like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like which cloud 
service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button appear always 
and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might involve animation- 
so could be costly wrt performance.
3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in the doc to 
the CSS given in the demo? Right now I have kept it limited to the tiddlers I 
modified in this demo.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki Playground

[Riz]

See: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/heafq2/tutorial_on_how_to_contribute_to_tiddlywiki/

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[tw5] Tutorial on how to contribute to tiddlywiki documentation

[Riz]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/heafq2/tutorial_on_how_to_contribute_to_tiddlywiki/

I have written a short and high level tutorial on how to contribute to 
tiddlywiki documentation. Since TW5 is slightly different from your usual git 
projects, I thought some clarification is necessary.

This is intended for those who

1. Intend to make sweeping changes in documentation for which browser is not 
exactly the best medium.

2. Prefers to work on their IDE. 



Pre requisites
Familiarity with git and GitHub.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Announcing TiddlyWiki Playground

[Riz]

This is actually brilliant. You need to create a PR to the community section.

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[tw5] Re: Timimi Firefox Ubuntu and External Hard Drive

[Riz]

Hi Boris,
Just confirming: You do have the timimi backend for Ubuntu installed, right?

Non English folder names will not work. This is a known issue. Unfortunately 
this is a bug in the Tiddlyfox saver. Hence this will affect any browser addon 
that depend on Tiddlyfox saver mechanism. There is an open PR and discussion 
for this on the tiddlywiki repo here: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4526This is a known issue. 
Unfortunately this is a bug in the Tiddlyfox saver. Hence this will affect any 
browser addon that depend on Tiddlyfox saver mechanism. There is an open PR and 
discussion for this on the tiddlywiki repo here: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4526

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Timmini won't save using Oprah

[Riz]

As Birthe pointed out, the easiest way to ensure correct installation is 
verify existence of relevant files. Please open your terminal and run the 
following commands

cat $HOME/.config/google-chrome/NativeMessagingHosts/timimi.json
ls $HOME/.local/share/timimi/

On Friday, 19 June 2020 22:07:27 UTC+5:30, Mervin Mecklenburg wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
>  
> I'm trying out Timmini using Oprah on a Ubantu operating system.  The wiki 
> appears to save, but then I get an error message: "Fail save, failure to 
> contact the Timmini host."  Near as I can tell, I have Timmini configured 
> correctly.  Does anyone have a suggestion.
>
> Merv
>

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[tw5] Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Riz]

So the the presently the text goes like this

Hello there. 

Tiddlywiki is a note taking applications that is unlike most of the traditional 
alternatives you must have come across. A few points to keep in mind before 
going further.

1. You can view, navigate and search your tiddlywiki files using any modern 
browser. You need to choose a saver only if you want to edit your tiddlywiki 
files.
2. Tiddlywiki has an inbuilt saving mechanism. It works by creating a modified 
copy of your tiddlywiki file every time you make changes. This requires no 
internet connection or additional software installation. Your browser will 
prompt you to download the modified copy or will carry out the download 
automatically depending on your browser setting. You can update your original 
tiddlywiki file by choosing to overwrite it with the modified copy. The saver 
methods listed in the following steps are attempts to make this workflow easier 
and provide varying additional features.
3. You can keep multiple tiddlywiki files. Each tiddlywiki file is completely 
independent of each other.This is almost like being able to run separate 
instances of Evernote or OneNote in the same computer. You may choose to use a 
different saving method for different tiddlywiki file.

1. Would you like to edit your tiddlywiki files from multiple devices?
- Yes
   - Which of the following services would you like to use to sync your 
tiddlywiki files between your devices
 - GitHub
 - Gitlab
 - Google drive
 - Dropbox
- None of these: Describe syncing between devices using syncthing/other 
alternatives and mention that 
- No: Next Question
2. Would you like to install dedicated softwares to manage, save and backup 
your tiddlywiki files? Note: Ensure that you have permission to install and run 
softwares.
 - Yes: TiddlyDesktop, Quine, Tiddloid
 - No: Next Question
3. Would you like to install browser extensions to save and backup your 
tiddlywiki files? Note: Ensure that you have permission to install and run 
browser extensions.
- Yes
  - Which is the following browser do you use mostly?
 - Chrome, Firefox, Internet explorer, Edge, Beaker
- No: Download saver 



The DIY setups like WebDAV and PHP server have not been featured anywhere in 
this wizard. I feel like it would be premature to spring those choices on 
unsuspecting new user, especially early in the wizard. May be they could be 
added as a footnote in the Tiddler explaining syncthing.

I have repeatedly referred to Tiddlywiki as tiddlywiki files to separate the 
brand from the tangible items user is familiar with. 

I want to give the user a more comparative analogy for tiddlywiki as somebody 
mentioned above. I don't have the complete text formed in my mind right now. It 
goes something in the lines of: Consider a excel spreadsheet file. You need 
Microsoft Excel or similar software to open, navigate, search and edit your 
Excel files. When it comes to Tiddlywiki, you only need your web browser to do 
the open, navigate, search. While for saving your edits - you can choose from a 
wide variety of choices offering different feature sets including backups, 
syncing, serving over networks and so on. The advantage of such an analogy is 
that we convert the need for a separate saver from a weakness to a strength. 
The message is not that user have to choose, the message is that user can 
choose.



PS:I am seeing multiple valid points regarding individual savers in this 
thread. Please understand that I am not neglecting them. Each of you are well 
capable to pushing those changes yourselves. My purview is limited to updating 
the GettingStarted/Saving Tiddler. 

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Riz]

The major question at this point is what is the algorithm for the "Help me 
choose it" option.

I got only two steps till now 

Do you need cloud synchronization?
- Yes : 
   - Which of the following cloud services would you prefer? GitHub, Gitlab, 
Dropbox, Google Drive
- No: Go to next question

Do you need a dedicated app for saving tiddlywiki?
- Yes: Show TiddlyDesktop
- No: Show download saver

Any other questions and corresponding answers? 

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

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Hi Thomas,

The entire card is a link. So a link within a link would not a great UI choice. 

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Riz]

Hi,

I have only made visual changes, nothing else. If choosing a set of options 
does not show a saver, it is because it needs more tags. 

Colors correspond to delivery methods. This is not obvious right now. However 
the next step is to reclassification of savers to broad categories and listing 
them under those subheadings. I have detailed my plan in the discussion Jeremy 
linked above. I will reproducing the same below.

This the text I had in mind for the introductory Tiddler.

TiddlyWiki comes in 2 major flavors
* Node.js based flat file flavor: All your notes/tiddlers are saved as separate 
text files. Node.js runtime is required to view your wiki in browser.

* Single HTML file flavor: All your notes/tiddlers are saved in a single HTML 
file which user can view in any browser.
<<.tip "You can convert your wiki between the two flavors any time.">>
<<.tip "There are third-party community resources providing other back-ends 
like [[sqlite, boltdb, dynamodb | widdly]] and [[PouchDB | Noteself]]. Please 
note that they are published and maintained independently of TW5">>

Choose your flavor:
* [[Node.js based flat file flavor|GettingStarted with Node.js]]
* [[Single HTML file flavor| Link to matrix]]
* Help me to choose which is best for me

The node option will give steps to install the setup, followed by description 
of Tiddlyserver and probably Bob. 

If they choose single file, they will be shown the above matrix but subdivided 
to the following categories

• In built - Download saver, Emergency export
• Browser addons
• Applications - TiddlyDesktop, Tiddloid, Quine etc
• Cloud Savers - NoteSelf, TiddlySpot, Git savers, TiddlyDrive, Cloud Connectors
• Servers and Server protocols - WebDAV, PHP, DAT

The questionnaire for the third option is something that needs broad 
discussion. Like, is it moving forward with the in built assumption that user 
has rejected node? What is the easiest option offered for each platform?

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[tw5] Local Search Engine - Passing search parameters from address bar

[Riz]

See https://tiddlywiki.com/#PermaLinks

You can specify a filter in the URL. Since there is a search operator in 
filters, you can actually pass search variable in URL to Tiddlywiki.

Tiddlywiki has ton of functionality that is kinda hidden in Documentation.

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki toolmap in the welcome tiddler

[Riz]

Why isn't the list added to the community resources part? Isn't that the first 
point of contact? Should we not work towards updating the community resources 
of tiddlywiki.com?

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[tw5] Re: TW5 subreddit crossed 1000 users

[Riz]

Hi Tiddlytweeter,

I think the role Reddit is trying to play is mixed.

I started it to demonstrate that we can have alternatives to Google groups 
where even the shy people can express their approval of a post by voting for it.

Overtime I have seen that all the efforts towards maintenaining a public list 
of tiddlywiki plugins have failed to keep up and be up-to-date. As community we 
need to learn from those mistakes. In Reddit we are trying it another way, by 
simply tagging an announcement posts, and making it easy for a new 
non-technical user to filter posts by tags. That way tiddlywiki subreddit is 
like tiddlywiki in nature . 

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: TW5 subreddit crossed 1000 users

[Riz]

Hi,

Thank you Eric. The proper wording is subreddit actually. So it would be either

Join Tiddlywiki subreddit: ...

or

Follow Tiddlywiki in Reddit at

While we are on the subject, I would raise that there is a French tiddlywiki 
forum which deserves a shout out too. 

Also while we are on the subject, why not mention the tagging too? Something 
like

- Please note that you can use tags to categorize your posts. For a full list 
of available tags -.
- Please ensure that you mention your OS, Browser, Tiddlywiki version and other 
relevant dety when asking a question so that community can help you better


Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] TW5 subreddit crossed 1000 users

[Riz]

In case you don't know, Tiddlywiki has an growing subreddit at 
https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ 
and it just crossed 1000 users and growing. We diligently tag all 
announcement posts. From sidebar, you can browse through them via clicking 
on interested topics like plugin announcements, adaptations etc. 

The subreddit also lists featured social media accounts primarily focused 
on Tiddlywiki. So if you have such an account or know one, do care to 
mention below and we will add it to the list. There are plans to expand the 
wiki associated with the subreddit. Other suggestions are welcome too.
You can see the posts that are popular among the community by switching 
sort to top posts. Reddit has multiple mobile apps, and you can subscribe 
via RSS feeds customised to your needs (say, only top 25 posts of the 
month.)

If you are a redditor, do drop in, subscribe and participate. If you are 
not a redditor, well, you are missing out. 

Sincerely, 

Riz

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[tw5] Is it possible to divide this Google group into subgroups?

[Riz]

There are subgroups actually. For really technical part, there is Tiddlywiki 
developer group, for documentation there is Tiddlywiki documentation group and 
recently there started a group dedicated to Tiddlywiki UI.

There are also tags people can use to classify posts. 

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyGov - large scale government intranet

[Riz]

You need to contact Jeremy directly. He offers setting up such projects 
through Federatial. 

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Minimalist me: using unicode characters instead of images

[Riz]

Tad old but notable

https://tutorialzine.com/2014/12/you-dont-need-icons-here-are-100-unicode-symbols-that-you-can-use

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[tw5] Webserver: PUT request failing with error

[Riz]

I created an empty server wiki and added a tiddler with title "New". GET 
request against "http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New; 
returns proper response. However various attempts at PUT request fails with 
the following error message.

HTTP/1.1 403 'X-Requested-With' header required to login to 'My ~TiddlyWiki'
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 01:43:14 GMT
Connection: keep-alive
Transfer-Encoding: chunked


Commands I attempted

curl -X PUT -i 'http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New' --data 
'{
"title": "New",
"tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
"my-custom-field": "Field value"
}'


curl -X PUT -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -i 
'http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New' --data '{
"title": "New",
"tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
"my-custom-field": "Field value"
}'



curl -X PUT -H 'X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest' -H 'Content-Type: 
application/json' -i 'http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New' 
--data 
'{
"title": "New",
"tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
"my-custom-field": "Field value"
}

curl -X GET -H 'X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest' -i 
'http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New' 
--data '{
"title": "New",
"tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
"fields": {
"my-custom-field": "Field value"
}
}'


Is there a value of X-Requested-With header that is necessary? 

Anyone who successfully managed to issue a PUT request against the 
TW-Server, could you furnish the command you issued?

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Timimi install question

[Riz]

All right. Let us review. You downloaded timimi native host to your download 
folder? What is the name of the file there?

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[tw5] Re: HomelabOS fixed my issue with TW!!!

[Riz]

Would you like to write a guide for newbies to get such a set up running? 
We will feature it in reddit.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: tekan plugin and "get more plugins" conflict, fyi

[Riz]

Tekan was moved to standalone edition 
<https://ibnishak.github.io/Tekkan/Tekkan%20Demo.html>. There was similar 
conflicts which made the plugin rather difficult to work with.

However, latest updates to TW5 has made so many of these conflicts 
resolvable. I am in the process of updating both the plugin and standalone 
edition of Tekkan. !0-15 days possibly.

Sincerely
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Saving changes on Android to the same file name

[Riz]

In case you did not know, Tiddlywiki now has a android app that lets you 
save HTML TW5s where they are located

Readme: https://github.com/donmor/TiddloidLite

APk: https://github.com/donmor/TiddloidLite/releases

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[tw5] Redesign of the edittemplate area: an unfinished prototype

[Riz]

Hi David

a. Popups are unwieldy in mobile screens. Go for an accordion instead.
https://tiddlywiki.com/#RevealWidget

This will solve two of your issues - persistence of the checkboxes, as well as 
ensuring that the data stays within the confines of tiddler.

b. You can hide them with CSS display:none property.

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[tw5] How to publish a plugin?

[Riz]

I am on mobile. But search this group for a plugin called "tinka". It is a 
plugin that will help you make other plugins

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[tw5] Re: [Tutorial] running your own Node.js TW5 on Microsoft Azure for Free

[Riz]

Hi Tony I

There are a couple of questions for you over at Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/gkvckn/running_your_own_nodejs_tw5_on_microsoft_azure/

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[tw5] Personal News

[Riz]

Best wishes and take good care of yourself. Will keep you in our prayers

Sincerely
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Riz]

Status?

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[tw5] Question on "sort by date"

[Riz]

There is no out of the box way to do this. Pat best someone could write a macro 
that will be a workaround, or a JavaScript filter specifically for this 
purpose. 

If you have only started, shifting the naming scheme to -MM-DD would be a 
good idea. If you don't want to do that, you can create an extra field in 
tiddlers containing date in that format, and sort by that field instead of title

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[tw5] Re: [Plugin] Daily Notes - Interstitial Journaling plugin TiddilyWiki

[Riz]

Hi, links to demo seems dead?

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[tw5] Re: [Question] how to filter all temp tiddlers?

[Riz]

[prefix[$:/temp]]

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[tw5] Re: [Solution] Preserving Paragraphs or using new line to indicate Paragraphs

[Riz]

Ok, do not actually do this, but for theory purposes.

@Tony. You slightly got the css property wrong. "white-space:pre" will not 
wrap at all. To see what I mean, copy and paste the following code to a new 
tiddler in tiddlywiki.com and see


blank line here
!Marked

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Nullam mi augue, 
ultricies sed faucibus a, tristique rhoncus risus. Donec varius turpis 
hendrerit massa dapibus, sit amet dictum ipsum blandit. Aenean neque 
tortor, scelerisque ac elementum accumsan, iaculis quis odio. Vestibulum 
imperdiet aliquam justo eget aliquet. Maecenas sed magna quis lacus 
lobortis tincidunt. Proin eget consequat arcu. Aliquam rutrum orci id justo 
aliquam elementum. Nunc elementum commodo ligula, non interdum lorem 
fermentum et. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. 
Interdum et malesuada fames ac ante ipsum primis in faucibus. Integer 
gravida efficitur metus. Integer faucibus interdum tortor, sed molestie 
odio ultricies sit amet. Vivamus ornare in sapien a porta.

Your pasted text Wikitext markup if desired



You can see that text goes beyond the edge of tiddler.

The property value we are looking for is pre-wrap. In the above code, try 
'pre-wrap' where 'pre' is wriiten.


Now, ideally  we ought to be able to open up "$:/core/ui/viewtemplate/body" 
and add "style="white-space: pre-wrap;" to the reveal widget, we should be 
able to make every tiddler in the wiki follow the sane rules.

The reveal widget code would look like this
<$reveal tag="div" class="tc-tiddler-body" type="nomatch" stateTitle=<
> text="hide" retain="yes" animate="yes" style="white-space: 
pre-wrap;">

However, the rest of CSS is build on the premise of non-existence of such a 
property. Which means, if you do this, some other UI elements will start 
looking weird. For eg; If you your own buttons to the body of a tiddler, 
they will look like they are bloated. If you add tabs to the body of a 
tiddler, they will look like somebody pulled them vertically.

In case your only intention is to add text/links/lists etc to tiddlers, the 
above would work. 

Comes with the obligatory warning that you must not try this in a wiki in 
use - but in an empty wiki.

Sincerely,
Riz


On Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:51:17 UTC+5:30, Riz wrote:
>
> We can just do away with nuances and add this to 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body and call it a day. 
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>

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[tw5] Re: [Solution] Preserving Paragraphs or using new line to indicate Paragraphs

[Riz]

We can just do away with nuances and add this to $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body 
and call it a day. 

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: The MESS of knowing what is what ... GG is poison ...

[Riz]

Hmm, there is a reddit forum for tiddlywiki 
<https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/>

It has its advantages and disadvantages

Advantages.
1. You can vote on posts, even comments
2. You can sort by most voted, recent etc
3. You can tag a user in a comment and that user will be notified
4. Has an associated Wiki with the forum - of which editing privileges can 
be distributed.
5. Multiple dedicated mobile applications

Disadvantages
1. Email based workflow not possible
2. Allows only one tag per post. You can always tag it like [post] my 
post...

Rest is similar to GG. 

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: A CSS only library to fill your empty background with beautiful patterns.

[Riz]

For those wondering how to make use of it without involving node and 
terminal and all.

Warning: Do it in a empty wiki - not your production wikis

1. Create a tiddler - give it any name. Add the following as text
https://unpkg.com/pattern.css; rel="stylesheet">

2. To the above tiddler, add the following tag
$:/tags/RawMarkup

3. Go to advanced search > Shadows  and search for "$:/core/ui/PageTemplate 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FPageTemplate>". Click the 
link and open to edit it.
4. At the top of "$:/core/ui/PageTemplate 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FPageTemplate>", you will see 
a macro that looks like the following
\define containerClasses()
tc-page-container tc-page-view-$(storyviewTitle)$ tc-language-$(
languageTitle)$ 
\end

5. Add your desired classes to the the end of that list. After adding, tit 
will look something like this
\define containerClasses()
tc-page-container tc-page-view-$(storyviewTitle)$ tc-language-$(
languageTitle)$ pattern-diagonal-lines-md bg-blue white
\end

6. Close "$:/core/ui/PageTemplate 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FPageTemplate>" and see the 
effect

If you want the effects to be limited to tiddlers, not whole tiddlywiki

Step 1 and 2 is same and above
3. Open Advanced search > Shadows. Search for "$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate". 
Click the link and open to edit it.
4. It its text, look for the part that goes like 
class={{{   tc-tiddler-frame tc-tiddler-view-frame
5. Add your classes to that list. It would look like
class={{{ pattern-diagonal-lines-md bg-blue white  tc-tiddler-frame tc-
tiddler-view-frame

Sincerely,
Riz


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Re: [tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Riz]

Ain't nobody gonna tell me why Bob is not there with savers? Is there a 
particular reason? Or did the community collectively forgot to put it there 
because everyone knows Bob already. It would be amusing of the reason is that. 
Makes us wonder what other thing we all take for common knowledge is missing 
from documentation.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Riz]

It's going to be tricky to get everyone to agree, it looks like ^-^'
>
>
This!! This alone!
I am not at all touching the text beyond correcting a few spelling mistakes 
and categorization. Everything as it is now - but a visually upgraded 
version. Just some CSS and check-boxes.

We all have separate visions regarding saving. So the only possible 
solution regarding what the text of GettingStarted looks like is for each 
individual to create PRs for his vision and let Jeremy be the final 
arbitrator regarding what is best.

However we can all agree (I hope) it needs a style update for the list of 
saving methods and community resources. That is what I am doing here.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Riz]

> Always provide an other button.
>

You mean for OS? Is there any known and working savers for other OS? For 
eg, have anyone tested tw5 in chrome OS or  Firefox OS?

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Riz]

> Always provide an other button.
>

You mean for OS? Is there any known and working savers for other OS? For 
eg, have anyone tested tw5 in chrome OS or  Firefox OS?

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Riz]

Unrelated QN: Is there a particular reason as to why Bob is not listed 
among the saver methods?


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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Riz]

> I wonder, is it possible to detect the OS during boot-up and set the 
> default buttons accordingly?
>
> The reason I ask is that most software that I download does exactly this: 
> It presents a menu that attempts to steer me towards whatever platform that 
> I'm currently on.
>
> This is possible. Create an startup-action tiddler that sets os and 
browser using information from info tiddlers

 

> Based on questions in the forums, it appears that users easily ignore the 
> warning triangle about not saving with the file save menu. I'm thinking 
> that a screen shot of the file save menu with a slash and circle over it 
> might convey the message more readily. In fact, it might make sense to have 
> it at the top of the "Getting Started" tiddler to make the saving "problem" 
> clearer, before explaining the solutions. The whole idea of needing a 
> special approach to saving is going to be new to most people.
>
>
 My plan is to ask Mohammad to make a PR for the alerts in his shiraz 
plugin to style the alerts and tips. It catches attention more effectively 
- being a colored block

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[tw5] Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Riz]

https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/demo/docs.html

I am talking about the visual changes to the "GettingStarted" tiddler only. 
Not the other slight modifications made.

I was thinking if it would be appropriate to make a PR for this. It is 
responsive - so mobile users won't have any issues. But it is some amount 
of work. So instead of doing the whole thing and later understanding that 
why such a change cannot be merged, I thought I will create a minimum 
viable demo and see if it could be integrated.

The check-boxes on the side  -  for selecting OS and Browser - works like 
normal check-boxes. Which means multiple selection is possible.  So new 
users can see if there are save methods that works in all the major 
platforms they work in. The cards will rearrange based on the combined 
selection. ie - If you check windows, Linux, mac and Firefox - it will show 
you methods that is common to these platforms.

Other major change is the big green button is now an electric blue. Since 
TW5 follows a blue theme - it makes more sense the download button is a 
variation of blue. There is enough panache in that button to attract 
attention to it I guess.

Also we can set the Community Resources for follow the same card pattern. 

Sincerely,
Riz


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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Python was replaced by golang - because python would require people to 
install python-runtime in their systems - python3 to be specific. That 
version - version 1 is still available in GitHub and will work alongside 
its corresponding version of extension. Or do you mean ask people to 
install golang and run the whole thing as a script? Sure those who want 
that can do that - install golang runtime (0.5GB) and set the timimi.json 
to point to that by `go run ./timimi.go`

Sigh - Here are simple facts .
You want to ensure that there is no security issues - scan it with multiple 
security software. Scan it with Kaspersky, scan it with ESET, scan it with 
Norton, scan it with clamwin. If you are still not satisfied - the entire 
code is in GitHub. You can download it, read line by line and compile it. 
Install golang, open the terminal, run `cd timimi/host && go build`. 

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

[Riz]

How deep does the levels go? Are there arbitrarily infinite levels? Like 
Children, grandchildren and so on?

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[tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

[Riz]

We could probably 

1. treat the created time as title 
2. Consider children to be tagged by their parent.

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[tw5] Checkbox widget error with field is set as "list"

[Riz]

Just checking if I am the only one with this error

Steps to reproduce

Download an empty tiddlywiki
Create a new tiddler
Paste the following

<$checkbox field="list" checked="open" unchecked="closed" default="closed"> 
Is it open?

Sincerely
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

[Riz]

On Monday, 4 May 2020 23:28:35 UTC+5:30, Riz wrote:
>
> I ll start with the usual suspects
>
> * Mohammad - because I think he has a lot of tricks he ain't telling us 
> about
> * BurningTreeC - if we need to hear about anybody's UI vision, it is him
> * JD - bcoz JD deserves an episode all to himself
> * If you could catch Mat and Jed together in an episode - give them a 
> chance to explain their Federated wiki - it is about time.
>
> * Sylvain - He single-handedly manages TW5 French community. It would be 
> fun to know that perspective
>
> * Finally bring Tobias Beer back! I don't know about you guys, but I miss 
> the quality of content he churns out
>

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[tw5] Re: Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

[Riz]

I ll start with the usual suspects

* Mohammad - because I think he has a lot of tricks he ain't telling us 
about
* BurningTreeC - if we need to hear about anybody's UI vision, it is him
* JD - bcoz JD deserves an episode all to himself
* If you could catch Mat and Jed together in an episode - give them a 
chance to explain their Federated wiki - it is about time.

* Also Anne - Being the newest member who is helping popularising TW5, she 
deserves a chance to explain the view point of a newly interested user.

* Finally bring Tobias Beer back! I don't know about you guys, but I miss 
the quality of content he churns out

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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

@TAV and Anders - Can you guys mention your threat definition version? 
Start Menu > Windows Security > Virus and Threat protection Updates > Check 
for Updates

Mine is 1.313.2859.0 - created on 04-05-2020 01:21 IST

I am running custom scans on the folder AppData/Roaming/Timimi-Firefox. It 
comes with no threats

Sincerely,
Riz

On Monday, 4 May 2020 07:11:00 UTC+5:30, TAV wrote:
>
>  Weird, I've been using it with no issue, suddenly this morning it is 
> flagged as trojan by Windows Security?
>
>
>

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[tw5] is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Riz]

Say myfield contains a list of 5 titles - I want to find tiddlers tagged by 
all of them in combination

[enlist{!!list}tagging[]]

This code would list all tiddlers tagged by at least one of them - 
tag[title1] or tag[title2] and so on. 
I want to find tag[title1] AND tag[title2] AND tag[title3] and so on

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[tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

Attached is the proposal for "Getting started -Firefox" I was considering. 
Other platforms can be reshaped in this model. Please download, *drag it to 
tiddlywiki.com* and see

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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

These are valid points Mohammad. 

As you know, I was away from being active in the community in between. Life 
happens. However before I left, there was a move to shift tiddlywiki github 
Repo to an organizational Repo with roles assigned to volunteers - so that 
burden on Jeremy will be less. I don't know why it has not bore fruit after 
this much time. @PMario - care to chime in?

Also about newbies  - here is what I have in mind about an ideal solution. 
As you said - it should be a wizard. A wizard that is a plugin, so that 
newbies could uninstall/delete the intro wizard once they are comfortable. 
It should sit at the top, like the menu-bar currently in tiddlywiki.com and 
give instructions. It should also highlight the button the newbie has to 
press - changing the color of that particular button svg for the step or 
something. Ideally there should not be a next button at all in the wizard. 
Instead, wizard should listen to events at the concerned button of current 
step and show the next instruction automatically.

Yes, we need to start collecting and documenting. A good resource is your 
Wikis itself. If you would like to contribute to core documentation, I can 
help whatever ways I can. Also - in my opinion, you should try making pull 
requests for parts of your Shiraz plugin to the core. I know there is a 
radical redesign undertaking happening. But it never hurts to make small 
changes in the meantime.

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:35:55 UTC+5:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Riz,
>  I don't want to go in details! but one of barrier for newbies using TW is 
> the documentation! Sometimes I say, to learn something you need a tutorial, 
> instruction, teacher, ... to take you from step A to step B!
>  Tiddlywiki is nonlinear so, in its wild nature it may not be a good 
> choice for documentation! Except if you force it to behave linear! Like by 
> adding a theme, a plugin, a script, ... etc
>  For example in Sistan, when you start from 
> http://sistan.tiddlyspot.com/#Button%20to%20Create%20New%20Task (the 
> first page) you have a next button to find the next page and gradually go 
> to the last page..
>
> Another point is: the documentation is a mixed of TW 5 up to TW 5.1.22 For 
> doing something  you find several solutions and you do not know which 
> method is better or even which operator, filter, widget command you should 
> use! Sometime I think I should prepare a tutorial, wiki, ... called *TW a 
> carefully crafted subset of the most recent version of Tiddlywiki.*
>
> Example: I see a lot of code in TW say <$list 
> filter="[prefix[yes]]" for a long time I did not understand 
> that and then realized it means the variable value is yes. I come from a 
> numerical method/programming world! so this was very confusing for me! 
> later on match operator was born, and I talked to Jeremy to change it to 
> <$list 
> filter="[match[yes]]" 
>
>
> I myself appreciate all the hard work by Jeremy and I know he is very 
> busy, yet put alot of time here free of charge, so I never expect him to go 
> through these and correct documentation. I think Mario well described the 
> situation, he said Tiddlywiki has an organic growth and so, you see all 
> these things.
>
> I may propose we need a movement to start correcting and revising document 
> and put the latest subset on tiddlywiki.com for public and then all old 
> out of use or obsolete/deprecated mark and have a link / note to the new 
> subset!
>
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 7:39:56 PM UTC+4:30, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Mohammad. If you have any objections to the points raised or 
>> other suggestions, please let me know.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
>> On Sun, 3 May 2020, 20:38 Mohammad,  wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely support your idea Riz!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:17:57 AM UTC+4:30, Riz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about the other post. It seems google groups is messing with me 
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, I made some changes to documentation changes and pushed them 
>>>> already. Some others, I felt like I would need to consult the community.
>>>>
>>>> Few things are very much in need of updates. 
>>>>
>>>> Major Points
>>>>
>>>> 1. Despite tiddlyfox disappearing entirely from Firefox addon store, it 
>>>> is still documented as one of the main saving mechanisms for Tiddlywiki.
>>>>
>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Firefox
>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Android
>>>>
>>>> Other saving methods are definitely documented. However th

[tw5] Re: Daily note button not working

[Riz]

You must be using either TiddlyBlink or Stroll? If you mention that in 
title, the creator of said plugins can chime in and solve your issue better.

Meanwhile share more details - like where did you download it from, your 
OS, browser, browser version etc. 

sincerely,
Riz

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:20:05 UTC+5:30, Clo wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm very new at TiddlyWiki and I'm having trouble creating a daily note.
>
> I can create one where I reference the current tiddle, but I can't create 
> a daily note on its own.
> When I click on the blue clock icon seen on my screenshot, nothing happens.
>
>
> [image: Screenshot_2020-05-03-.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does someone know why?
>
> Thank a lot in advance!
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

While I have you guys here, please spare a couple of moments to leave 
ratings/reviews in addon-stores and github

Chrome addon store 

Firefox addon store 
Github 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Oh, glad to hear that. I will add those instructions to documentation for 
others. Hope you enjoy timimi

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Please note that for chrome you have to specifically allow access to local 
files. As pointed out above, you can do that as follows

In your chrome open the Menu (top-right 3 dots) > More tools >  Extensions 
> Timimi > Details and check the "Allow access to file URLs" option

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 00:34:48 UTC+5:30, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> It loaded!
>
> Last login: Sat May  2 13:56:35 on ttys001
>
> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 ~ % cd ~/Downloads
>
> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>
> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>
> Verifying archive integrity...  100%   MD5 checksums are OK. All good.
>
> Uncompressing   100%  
>
> Hello There
>
> Starting Timimi Installation
>
>
> ✔ google-chrome
>
> Created host directory
>
> Created host manifest: /Users/jwh/Library/Application 
> Support/Google/Chrome/NativeMessagingHosts/timimi.json
>
> Created host executable: /Users/jwh/Library/Application 
> Support/timimi/timimi
>
>
>
> Installation finished without errors.
>
> Have a great day!!
>
> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads %
>
>
> Now to test it - thank you so much, Riz
>
>
> JWHoneycutt
>
>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

Yeah, another point is that. The getting started tiddler needs a UI change. 
It should depend on something more familiar to new users like radio buttons 
or tabs

Might take awhile to hunt them all down.
>

The list operator, ActionWidgets and a couple of TableOfContent macros will 
do the trick. 

Maybe "write-protect" .
>

Fair enough.

The question is, are there any public examples? I do have my 60,000 obscure 
> language dictionary.
>
 
 If there is not, a new one can always be created, right? Might help user 
to gauge the capability of tiddlywiki to meet his needs. If yours is not 
too personal and is ready to publish publicly, user might even get a useful 
wiki out of that.

But I've noticed that some people seem to use Google first before coming to 
> TW. Sometimes Google leads them back to a static page on TiddlyWiki.com. 
> Unfortunately, this is a bit like trying to read the encylopedia brittanica 
> through a keyhole.
>

This is a very important point. The header that says "This is a static 
representation of " should be more prominent or made to link below the 
static tiddler saying "For more info, please see: tiddlywiki.com#sort. 
People usually do not use the search box within webpages, but google. 
Tiddlywiki needs to expect that. Using tiddlywiki search is an acquired 
behaviour.


I've mentioned before that I think the best approach is for someone to 
> submit documentation changes, have it quickly applied, and if someone else 
> disagrees they can do their own PR.
>

I felt like - any changes to tiddlyfox tiddlers might be controversial. 
GIven that I authored one of the tiddlyfox alternatives, I have a 
conflict-of-interest. Hence asking the community first. WIll definitely 
make PRs

Sincerely
Riz

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 00:09:26 UTC+5:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> 1. Despite tiddlyfox disappearing entirely from Firefox addon store, it is 
>> still documented as one of the main saving mechanisms for Tiddlywiki.
>>
>
> Yes. In particular this line
>
> *Firefox provides the best user experience for using TiddlyWiki 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki> with the TiddlyFox 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyFox> browser extension.*
>
>  Needs changing to some thing like
>
> *Firefox  with the TiddlyFox <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyFox> browser 
> extension used to be the preferred method of accessing single file 
> TiddlyWikis. Ever since FF57 this method has been deprecated. But it can 
> still be used in conjunction with older versions of FireFox as outlined in 
> the following:*
>
> Hmm. Where can people get TiddlyFox? Does anyone know the github home?
>
>
>
>> 2. What is the actual point of "Getting started" tiddlers? All but the 
>> main getting started tiddlers are way outdated and provides false 
>> information. I already pointed out the "Getting started Firefox" and 
>> "Getting started Android" issues. Now look at "Getting started - Chrome"
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Chrome
>>
>> The first sentence says only HTML fallback mechanism works in Chrome. 
>> This is false info and other saver mechanisms are documented in TW5 itself.
>>
>>
> You're right. "Getting Started" with Firefox and with Chrome are 
> irrelevant. What matters is that the saving technique you pick will work 
> with the browser you use. So it's the information associated with saving 
> mechanisms that matter.
>
> You can click on the blue buttons and filter the saving techniques. 
> However, there's no note to that effect. So most newcomers aren't going to 
> even know that they can do that. 
>
> My feeling is that ONLY the default mechanism should be presented. Short 
> simple directions, with the last part being something like:
>
>
> *Some people find this approach inconvenient. There are other solutions 
> that may work for you better, depending on your platform and browser 
> preferences:*
>
>
> *1. For Mac: TiddlyDesktop, Timimi, file-backups ...*
>
> *2. For Windows TiddlyDesktop, Timimi, filebackups ...*
>
> *3. For Linux: TiddlyDesktop, Timimi ...*
> *4. For Android: Tiddloid, Node with Termux...*
>
> *5. For Iphone/Ipad: Quine  *
>
>
> 4. Most of the examples of filters in TW5 uses "sort". sortan is more 
>> advanced and natural with respect to non-technical users. However it is 
>> hard to find because user have to specifically search for it. So much so 
>> that even experienced TW5 users forgot about its existence. I suggest we 
>> change all filter examples from sort to sortan.
>>
>>
> Might take awhile to hunt them all down. And the examples would need to be 
> t

Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Ok, please try the following. If this step does not work, I will send you 
personalised installer.

Open terminal and run the following commands one by one

cd ~/Downloads
chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
./timimi-2-1-1-Mac



On Sunday, 3 May 2020 00:24:59 UTC+5:30, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> In  Library/Application Support/timimi, there is no "timimi"
>
> JWHoneycutt
>
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-4, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>> If I right click timimi-2-1-1-Mac in the Download folder, "Terminal" is 
>> not an accepted option for opening it. So I "forced" it, and I get this 
>> error in Terminal:
>>
>> Last login: Sat May  2 08:46:04 on ttys000
>>
>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 ~ % run
>>
>> zsh: command not found: run
>>
>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 ~ % Run
>>
>> zsh: command not found: Run
>>
>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 ~ % 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:16:59 PM UTC-4, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> @JW
>>>
>>> Can you right click on the downloaded installer and select "Open with > 
>>> Terminal"
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

@JW

Can you right click on the downloaded installer and select "Open with > 
Terminal"

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

I am happy too. I am glad that a veteran tiddlywiki community member like 
you chose to give timimi a try. Hope you enjoy it.

If you have any suggestions regarding, do let me know. I will work on the 
installer issue.

Sincerely,
Riz

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Little below that. With English version as my guide, I can say second 
option below that will read "Allow access to file URLs" in Danish

On Saturday, 2 May 2020 23:18:31 UTC+5:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Well it look like this:
> Hope that is what you mean.
>
>
> lørdag den 2. maj 2020 kl. 19.40.07 UTC+2 skrev Riz:
>>
>> Ok, That actually seems weird
>>
>> Just clarifying - you did go to Chromium menu (top-right three dots) > 
>> More Tools > Extensions > Timimi > Details and check the "Allow access 
>> to file URLs" option?
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Ok, That actually seems weird

Just clarifying - you did go to Chromium menu (top-right three dots) > More 
Tools > Extensions > Timimi > Details and check the "Allow access to file 
URLs" options?

On Saturday, 2 May 2020 22:59:38 UTC+5:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Right clicking the timimi icon in the browser, I saw it in the dropdown - 
> no notification.
> My tiddlywiki file is in my dropbox folder: /home/lenovo/Dropbox/Birthes 
> ny TW5er.
>
> Birthe
>
> lørdag den 2. maj 2020 kl. 19.21.30 UTC+2 skrev Riz:
>>
>> Also about this point
>>
>> When I right click the icon it says I am not able to read or change 
>>> website data
>>>
>>
>> You were right clicking on the timimi icon on the toolbar? And this error 
>> appeared as a notification?
>> Can I also know where is the tiddlywiki.html in your harddrive? 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Also about this point

When I right click the icon it says I am not able to read or change website 
> data
>

You were right clicking on the timimi icon on the toolbar? And this error 
appeared as a notification?
Can I also know where is the tiddlywiki.html in your harddrive? 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Ok, I need to spin up a VM and test it. Might take some time before I can 
come back you. Please enjoy timimi in Firefox till then

Sincerely,
Riz

On Saturday, 2 May 2020 22:42:16 UTC+5:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Linux Mint 19.2 Tina base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic, Chromium Version 
> 80.0.3987.163 With Danish language.
>
> Birthe
>
> lørdag den 2. maj 2020 kl. 19.07.48 UTC+2 skrev Riz:
>>
>> That is interesting. In your browser, timimi is not detecting tiddlywiki 
>> at all. Which version of Chromium and Mint is this? Also you mentioned your 
>> browser is in another language. Which language is it so that I may 
>> replicate it in tests?
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

Hi Mark,

I think Mat was talking about how normal users might not be interested in 
this post as long as it is not directly relevant to them.

Nevertheless, I had the same idea as yours. Hence the posting in this 
group. 

Do you have any objections/suggestions towards the points I made?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

That is interesting. In your browser, timimi is not detecting tiddlywiki at 
all. Which version of Chromium and Mint is this? Also you mentioned your 
browser is in another language. Which language is it so that I may 
replicate it in tests?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Hi Birthe,

So it is an installer issue.

I am attaching a json file personalized for you. Please download it, place 
it in the folder ".config/chromium/NativeMessagingHosts" and try saving a 
tiddlywiki file using chromium

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

@JW
 

> How do you recommend I load the wiki into Chrome?
>

It does not matter how you load it into chrome. Timimi only cares it is a 
local file.


Have I loaded Timimi correctly?

Well, I have to ask back - Have you installed the native host in your 
computer? Is there any error messages being notified when you try to save 
after installing timimi?


Confirm it is working?

Hmm, can you clarify your question. Do you mean that none of the changes 
you made to the file actually got saved? All you have to do to test is - 
download an empty wiki, add some tiddlers, press the save button on the 
sidebar, refresh the wiki tab, and search if the tiddlers you made is still 
there. Once this is tackled, I can help with the backup issue.


On Saturday, 2 May 2020 21:43:57 UTC+5:30, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> Timimi now works on Chrome (my default browser), so I will give it a try
>>>
>>> On a MacBook Pro (MacOS Catalina version 10.15.4) I created a test wiki 
>>> called "Fruit.html". It's path is: 
>>> file:///Users/jwh/Dropbox/Apps/Quine/Fruit.html 
>>>
>> *First question:*How do you recommend I load the wiki into Chrome?
>>>
>>>- I can double click the file in Finder and it loads into Chrome by 
>>>default
>>>- I can also drag it from Finder to the Chrome icon and it loads
>>>
>>> *Second question*Have I loaded Timimi correctly?
>>>
>>>- I have loaded the extension into Chrome version 81, and I see the 
>>>red fish icon in the upper right corner
>>>- When I click it, I have a few things to answer:
>>>   - Is my Backup location: 
>>>   file:///Users/jwh/Dropbox/Apps/Quine/Fruit.html?
>>>   - For Backup method, I want to see results immediately, so I 
>>>   chose: First in first out, with a setting of 5
>>>- Click the blue "Save" button (that hides below the window frame)
>>>- I click it a few times, expecting some acknowledgement other than 
>>>momentary darkening of the button, then I "X" out of the modal popup
>>>
>>> *Third question*Confirm it is working
>>>
>>>- I refresh Chrome, double click Fruit.html in the Finder, and it 
>>>loads into Chrome - I can do everything with it, and the "Saved wiki" 
>>>notification shows up for 1 second in the upper right of the screen
>>>- I do this several times, for the First in, First out "save 
>>>mechanism" to log a change for sure
>>>- I close and reopen Chrome, thereby refreshing all the tiddlers and 
>>>the browser, and reload Fruit.html
>>>- *None of the new tiddlers are there*
>>>
>>> The Backup location (path setting?) must be wrong
>>
>> JWHoneycutt 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Hi Birthe

So can you confirm a few things. 

In your home folder, there will be a folder in the path 
".local/share/timimi". It will be a hidden folder obviously- which you can 
unhide it with ctrl+h in nemo. (I feel like I am over-explaining this to a 
Mint user, but for newbies, this info might be useful.) In that folder, 
please confirm that there is an executable named timimi. It is also 
possible that there is an log file in this folder - either timimi.log or 
error.log. If there is, can you post its contents?

Secondly, there is another folder under your home folder at 
".config/chromium/NativeMessagingHosts". In that folder, there should be a 
file called timimi.json. Can you please post its contents here?

Sincerely,
Riz

On Saturday, 2 May 2020 21:51:15 UTC+5:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Of course I did try to save, but absolutely nothing happens. I looked if 
> the extension setting were correct, but I am really not sure.
> When I right click the icon it says I am not able to read or change 
> website data. (oh the wonders of using a browser in another language.
>
> Birthe
>
> lørdag den 2. maj 2020 kl. 18.11.51 UTC+2 skrev Riz:
>>
>> It probably got installed. May be the installer quit right away. Did you 
>> try saving from chromium?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Thank you Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

Fair point. 

My initial idea was to make PRs if there are no objections. But your argument 
makes more sense. Will do as you said. 

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[tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

@Mat. Cool.

Should I post it to Dev group? I fear if I post it one more time, Google groups 
would consider it spam

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Also you can always use the previous version. All versions of timimi are 
available here

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/timimi/versions/

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

That is really worrying.

Can you please ensure the following things

- In your home folder there will be an APPDATA folder. Open it and look for 
Timimi-Firefox folder. Inside the folder, there should be a timimi 
executable and timimi.json. Please post the content of timimi.json here

- Open regedit (Type regedit in the startmenu search area). Then expand the 
following keys HKCU\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\NativeMessagingHosts\timimi". Please 
tell me what is the value shown for that key. The ideal value should be 
path to your timimi.json

- If either of these is missing, can you please reinstall the backend?
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[tw5] Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Updates pushed:
Fixing bugs where chrome failed to show saved settings
Clicking on timimi icon on toolbar directly opens timimi options page.

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[tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

Hi Tony,

I already pushed some changes. Usually my workflow involves forking, cloning to 
my computer, make necessary changes in the tw5-com edition, pushing it and 
creating a pull request against tiddlywiki branch. I like to type in my text 
editor. But that is just preference. You can always edit documentation in 
GitHub. Just remember not to make pull request against master branch. 

Try pushing your changes. Jeremy and PMario is usually very prompt in 
discussing changes and making suggestions they think is necessary. 

Sincerely
Riz

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[tw5] List of changes proposed for documentation

[Riz]

Sorry about the other post. It seems google groups is messing with me today.


So, I made some changes to documentation changes and pushed them already. 
Some others, I felt like I would need to consult the community.

Few things are very much in need of updates. 

Major Points

1. Despite tiddlyfox disappearing entirely from Firefox addon store, it is 
still documented as one of the main saving mechanisms for Tiddlywiki.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Firefox
https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Android

Other saving methods are definitely documented. However the space and 
prominence given to TiddlyFox gives a false idea that it is somehow still 
relevant. 

Please note: I have edited and pushed changes regarding Termux and replaced 
AndTidwiki with Tiddloid. I felt like TiddlyFox warrants more discussion 
and approval owing to its community nature.

2. What is the actual point of "Getting started" tiddlers? All but the main 
getting started tiddlers are way outdated and provides false information. I 
already pointed out the "Getting started Firefox" and "Getting started 
Android" issues. Now look at "Getting started - Chrome"

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Chrome

The first sentence says only HTML fallback mechanism works in Chrome. This 
is false info and other saver mechanisms are documented in TW5 itself.

The only "Getting started" Tiddler that makes a reasonable sense is 
"Getting started Node JS". Delete the rest so that there is one source of 
truth to maintain.

3. There should be a feature comparison table between the multitude of 
saving options available. Throwing tons of options at a user will work 
better if the user knows what is the difference between them. 


4. Most of the examples of filters in TW5 uses "sort". sortan is more 
advanced and natural with respect to non-technical users. However it is 
hard to find because user have to specifically search for it. So much so 
that even experienced TW5 users forgot about its existence. I suggest we 
change all filter examples from sort to sortan.

Need for reorganisation

5. I know "Getting started" is one of the default tiddlers. However in the 
TOC organization, it appears in "Working with Tiddlywiki". For a newbie who 
accidentally closed the Getting started tiddler, one of the first places he 
will look in will be Table of contents. I say we retag the "Getting 
started" with HelloThere and push it to the top. 

6. Is there a definite criteria for matters to be tagged. This is my 
understanding from the main site

- HelloThere introduces and explains the philosophical aspects of tiddlywiki
- "Working with Tiddlywiki" explains basic tasks.
- "Learning" explains more advanced tasks
- Customisation should ideally involve things you can do regarding styles, 
things you can achieve with CSS, color palettes. 

Points below is based on this understanding.

7. "Working with Tiddlywiki" should come before "Learning"? Because it is 
much more basic.


8. "Philosophy of tiddlers" should be under "HelloThere" with all other 
explanations - not under learning

9. https://tiddlywiki.com/#TaskManagementExampleDraggableTemplate does not 
require "Learning" tag

10. Suggested title changes 
  "How to hide the author's and other fields with CSS" to "How to hide 
author/date/other parts of viewtemplate with CSS"
  "Simple ways to write protect tiddlers" to "How to write protect tiddlers"

11. Export tiddlers, Adopt a title policy - these two should be under 
"Working with Tiddlywiki" because these are basic things and one of the 
first things people might look for.

12. "How to Customize TiddlyDesktop" should be under Customisation

13. https://tiddlywiki.com/#Scalability is a claim. There should be links 
to specific instances of such Wikis IMO. 

14. There is a need for rearranging Learning and Working with Tiddlywiki. 
Things like "Task Management example" and is variations should be together 
and they should also link to community resources that implemented complex 
task management systems. 



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[tw5] Re: List of suggested changes to documentation

[Riz]

How do you delete a post completely?

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[tw5] Re: List of suggested changes to documentation

[Riz]

Err, it seems deleting the original post won't delete the post anymore? 

Here is a repost of the text


So, I made some changes to documentation changes and pushed them already. 
Some others, I felt like I would need to consult the community.

Few things are very much in need of updates. 

Major Points

1. Despite tiddlyfox disappearing entirely from Firefox addon store, it is 
still documented as one of the main saving mechanisms for Tiddlywiki.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Firefox
https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Android

Other saving methods are definitely documented. However the space and 
prominence given to TiddlyFox gives a false idea that it is somehow still 
relevant. 

Please note: I have edited and pushed changes regarding Termux and replaced 
AndTidwiki with Tiddloid. I felt like TiddlyFox warrants more discussion 
and approval owing to its community nature.

2. What is the actual point of "Getting started" tiddlers? All but the main 
getting started tiddlers are way outdated and provides false information. I 
already pointed out the "Getting started Firefox" and "Getting started 
Android" issues. Now look at "Getting started - Chrome"

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Chrome

The first sentence says only HTML fallback mechanism works in Chrome. This 
is false info and other saver mechanisms are documented in TW5 itself.

The only "Getting started" Tiddler that makes a reasonable sense is 
"Getting started Node JS". Delete the rest so that there is one source of 
truth to maintain.

3. There should be a feature comparison table between the multitude of 
saving options available. Throwing tons of options at a user will work 
better if the user knows what is the difference between them. 


4. Most of the examples of filters in TW5 uses "sort". sortan is more 
advanced and natural with respect to non-technical users. However it is 
hard to find because user have to specifically search for it. So much so 
that even experienced TW5 users forgot about its existence. I suggest we 
change all filter examples from sort to sortan.

Need for reorganisation

5. I know "Getting started" is one of the default tiddlers. However in the 
TOC organization, it appears in "Working with Tiddlywiki". For a newbie who 
accidentally closed the Getting started tiddler, one of the first places he 
will look in will be Table of contents. I say we retag the "Getting 
started" with HelloThere and push it to the top. 

6. Is there a definite criteria for matters to be tagged. This is my 
understanding from the main site

- HelloThere introduces and explains the philosophical aspects of tiddlywiki
- "Working with Tiddlywiki" explains basic tasks.
- "Learning" explains more advanced tasks
- Customisation should ideally involve things you can do regarding styles, 
things you can achieve with CSS, color palettes. 

Points below is based on this understanding.

7. "Working with Tiddlywiki" should come before "Learning"? Because it is 
much more basic.


8. "Philosophy of tiddlers" should be under "HelloThere" with all other 
explanations - not under learning

9. https://tiddlywiki.com/#TaskManagementExampleDraggableTemplate does not 
require "Learning" tag

10. Suggested title changes 
  "How to hide the author's and other fields with CSS" to "How to hide 
author/date/other parts of viewtemplate with CSS"
  "Simple ways to write protect tiddlers" to "How to write protect tiddlers"

11. Export tiddlers, Adopt a title policy - these two should be under 
"Working with Tiddlywiki" because these are basic things and one of the 
first things people might look for.

12. "How to Customize TiddlyDesktop" should be under Customisation

13. https://tiddlywiki.com/#Scalability is a claim. There should be links 
to specific instances of such Wikis IMO. 

14. There is a need for rearranging Learning and Working with Tiddlywiki. 
Things like "Task Management example" and is variations should be together 
and they should also link to community resources that implemented complex 
task management systems. 



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[tw5] Re: List of suggested changes to documentation

[Riz]

Repost for email subscribers

So, I made some changes to documentation changes and pushed them already. 
Some others, I felt like I would need to consult the community.

Few things are very much in need of updates. 

Major Points

1. Despite tiddlyfox disappearing entirely from Firefox addon store, it is 
still documented as one of the main saving mechanisms for Tiddlywiki.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Firefox
https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Android

Other saving methods are definitely documented. However the space and 
prominence given to TiddlyFox gives a false idea that it is somehow still 
relevant. 

Please note: I have edited and pushed changes regarding Termux and replaced 
AndTidwiki with Tiddloid. I felt like TiddlyFox warrants more discussion 
and approval owing to its community nature.

2. What is the actual point of "Getting started" tiddlers? All but the main 
getting started tiddlers are way outdated and provides false information. I 
already pointed out the "Getting started Firefox" and "Getting started 
Android" issues. Now look at "Getting started - Chrome"

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Chrome

The first sentence says only HTML fallback mechanism works in Chrome. This 
is false info and other saver mechanisms are documented in TW5 itself.

The only "Getting started" Tiddler that makes a reasonable sense is 
"Getting started Node JS". Delete the rest so that there is one source of 
truth to maintain.

3. There should be a feature comparison table between the multitude of 
saving options available. Throwing tons of options at a user will work 
better if the user knows what is the difference between them. 


4. Most of the examples of filters in TW5 uses "sort". sortan is more 
advanced and natural with respect to non-technical users. However it is 
hard to find because user have to specifically search for it. So much so 
that even experienced TW5 users forgot about its existence. I suggest we 
change all filter examples from sort to sortan.

Need for reorganisation

5. I know "Getting started" is one of the default tiddlers. However in the 
TOC organization, it appears in "Working with Tiddlywiki". For a newbie who 
accidentally closed the Getting started tiddler, one of the first places he 
will look in will be Table of contents. I say we retag the "Getting 
started" with HelloThere and push it to the top. 

6. Is there a definite criteria for matters to be tagged. This is my 
understanding from the main site

- HelloThere introduces and explains the philosophical aspects of tiddlywiki
- "Working with Tiddlywiki" explains basic tasks.
- "Learning" explains more advanced tasks
- Customisation should ideally involve things you can do regarding styles, 
things you can achieve with CSS, color palettes. 

Points below is based on this understanding.

7. "Working with Tiddlywiki" should come before "Learning"? Because it is 
much more basic.


8. "Philosophy of tiddlers" should be under "HelloThere" with all other 
explanations - not under learning

9. https://tiddlywiki.com/#TaskManagementExampleDraggableTemplate does not 
require "Learning" tag

10. Suggested title changes 
  "How to hide the author's and other fields with CSS" to "How to hide 
author/date/other parts of viewtemplate with CSS"
  "Simple ways to write protect tiddlers" to "How to write protect tiddlers"

11. Export tiddlers, Adopt a title policy - these two should be under 
"Working with Tiddlywiki" because these are basic things and one of the 
first things people might look for.

12. "How to Customize TiddlyDesktop" should be under Customisation

13. https://tiddlywiki.com/#Scalability is a claim. There should be links 
to specific instances of such Wikis IMO. 

14. There is a need for rearranging Learning and Working with Tiddlywiki. 
Things like "Task Management example" and is variations should be together 
and they should also link to community resources that implemented complex 
task management systems. 


Sincerely, 
Riz

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[tw5] List of suggested changes to documentation

[Riz]

So, I made some changes to documentation changes and pushed them already. 
Some others, I felt like I would need to consult the community.

Few things are very much in need of updates. 

Major Points

1. Despite tiddlyfox disappearing entirely from Firefox addon store, it is 
still documented as one of the main saving mechanisms for Tiddlywiki.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Firefox
https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Android

Other saving methods are definitely documented. However the space and 
prominence given to TiddlyFox gives a false idea that it is somehow still 
relevant. 

Please note: I have edited and pushed changes regarding Termux and replaced 
AndTidwiki with Tiddloid. I felt like TiddlyFox warrants more discussion 
and approval owing to its community nature.

2. What is the actual point of "Getting started" tiddlers? All but the main 
getting started tiddlers are way outdated and provides false information. I 
already pointed out the "Getting started Firefox" and "Getting started 
Android" issues. Now look at "Getting started - Chrome"

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Chrome

The first sentence says only HTML fallback mechanism works in Chrome. This 
is false info and other saver mechanisms are documented in TW5 itself.

The only "Getting started" Tiddler that makes a reasonable sense is 
"Getting started Node JS". Delete the rest so that there is one source of 
truth to maintain.

3. There should be a feature comparison table between the multitude of 
saving options available. Throwing tons of options at a user will work 
better if the user knows what is the difference between them. 


4. Most of the examples of filters in TW5 uses "sort". sortan is more 
advanced and natural with respect to non-technical users. However it is 
hard to find because user have to specifically search for it. So much so 
that even experienced TW5 users forgot about its existence. I suggest we 
change all filter examples from sort to sortan.

Need for reorganisation

5. I know "Getting started" is one of the default tiddlers. However in the 
TOC organization, it appears in "Working with Tiddlywiki". For a newbie who 
accidentally closed the Getting started tiddler, one of the first places he 
will look in will be Table of contents. I say we retag the "Getting 
started" with HelloThere and push it to the top. 

6. Is there a definite criteria for matters to be tagged. This is my 
understanding from the main site

- HelloThere introduces and explains the philosophical aspects of tiddlywiki
- "Working with Tiddlywiki" explains basic tasks.
- "Learning" explains more advanced tasks
- Customisation should ideally involve things you can do regarding styles, 
things you can achieve with CSS, color palettes. 

Points below is based on this understanding.

7. "Working with Tiddlywiki" should come before "Learning"? Because it is 
much more basic.


8. "Philosophy of tiddlers" should be under "HelloThere" with all other 
explanations - not under learning

9. https://tiddlywiki.com/#TaskManagementExampleDraggableTemplate does not 
require "Learning" tag

10. Suggested title changes 
"How to hide the author's and other fields with CSS" to "How to hide 
author/date/other parts of viewtemplate with CSS"
"Simple ways to write protect tiddlers" to "How to write protect tiddlers"

11. Export tiddlers, Adopt a title policy - these two should be under 
"Working with Tiddlywiki" because these are basic things and one of the 
first things people might look for.

12. "How to Customize TiddlyDesktop" should be under Customisation
13. https://tiddlywiki.com/#Scalability is a claim. There should be links 
to specific instances of such Wikis IMO. 

14. There is a need for rearranging Learning and Working with Tiddlywiki. 
Things like "Task Management example" and is variations should be together 
and they should also link to community resources that implemented complex 
task management systems. 




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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Ok, I must admit that is a bit concerning. You seems to have done 
everything correct.

I am sorry for bothering you again, but if these steps also fails, I will 
admit defeat. 

Please try these steps

1. Right click on the script/simple-installer and open with > Terminal
2. Open the file "Library/Application 
Support/Mozilla/NativeMessagingHosts/timimi.json" and post the contents here
3. Run this command in your terminal

chmod +x /Users/aaarciniega/Library/Application\ Support/timimi/timimi


On Friday, 1 May 2020 10:09:52 UTC+5:30, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> Thanks, Riz,
>
> This is a script. Double-clicking it just opens an editor.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 2:51:05 AM UTC-6, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Hi again Alphonso
>>
>> I am attaching here a simpler installer for Mac. You can download it and 
>> simple double click it to run. Please try it and let me know
>>
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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

@Mikesch

Thank you Mike. Which browser and OS did you run it on?

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Re: [tw5] Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Riz]

Please note that from version 2.1 [latest] onwards, the executable can be 
located in 
Library/Application Support/timimi/

This is to ensure that multiple browsers can access it. 




On Thursday, 30 April 2020 12:33:19 UTC+5:30, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I just wanted to let people know that I have solved the problem with 
> Timimi and MacOSX Catalina, thanks to comments by
> Yakov and Rizwan. I had to locate the executable, which Rizwan told me was 
> located at
> Library/Application Support/Mozilla/NativeMessagingHosts
> and then by opening the executable by control-clicking, overriding the 
> security warning
> created an exception and then the executable could be used directly
> by Firefox.
> See the issue for more details.
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/issues/40
> Thanks again!
> Boaz
>
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:40 AM, Boaz Nash > 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the response, Yakov.
>
> I have created an issue:
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/issues/40
>
> Best regards,
> Boaz
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:30 AM Yakov  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Boaz,
>>
>> I have been saving tiddlywiki changes using timimi for awhile now and 
>>> it's been working great.
>>> Unfortunately, I just updated my MacOS to Catalina, and now when I try 
>>> to save in Firefox, I get the error message
>>> ""timimi" cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified".
>>> I tried to override this security issue, but I can't seem to figure out 
>>> how to do so.
>>>
>>
>> this is not nice indeed. Would you mind opening an issue on Github 
>> ?
>> Do you remember what version of MacOS did you have before that update? 
>> And what version of Firefox you have now? (the problem took place when you 
>> only updated MacOS, not Firefox, did it?)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yakov.
>>
>> Advice would be appreciated.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Boaz
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 9:58 AM Yakov  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Alex,

 I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello 
> there 
> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try 
> to save 
> changes to a TW file. 
>
> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any 
> conflicts, but no luck. 
>
> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to 
> use the 
> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something 
> else? 
>

 Hm, have you installed both the browser extension and the native app? 
 The extension page 
  tells to check 
 out installation details in the docs but I guess one may miss the main 
 point (the necessity to install an app besides the extension) since they 
 have to find the installation guide 
  and follow 
 the additional step from there (download the installer for their paltform 
 from releases  and launch 
 it). Please let me know if that helps; I'll probably propose some changes 
 to improve this aspect anyway.

 Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC 
> list back 
> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up 
> as a 
> forum rather than a mailing-list. 
>
  
 Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm not quite sure what's the difference (I 
 always thought that Google Groups are both), but if I can help you 
 somehow, 
 let me know. (have you tried to use it as a forum? is that of very poor 
 user experience for you for some reason?)

 Best regards,
 Yakov.

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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Yeah, I agree with your observations. As you pointed out, for the save locking 
to properly work, the lock mechanism should be universally supported by all 
savers in the core. Otherwise if anyone accessing the file using a different 
save mechanism will ignore the lock. 

May be the unique ID generated for should have component that refer to the 
system that is actually generating the lock. That way tiddlywiki can regenerate 
the ID next time a save is triggered, match it with existing lock ID and 
determine if save command came from the same system that generated the lock.

Any way, all these would require lot of discussion, streamlining and community 
input. Once it is becomes part of the core, I can hopefully update timimi to 
support it.

Thank you for your support and suggestions. Always happy to contribute to this 
community

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] number ranking

[Riz]

Do not use sort. Use "sortan" operater. It is specifically made for this.

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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Riz]

Hi Tony,

This is a great vision. 
Here is purely philosophical reason behind hesitation. My vision for timimi 
is that once installed, user should not have to install anything further. 
If I am doing my job right, user should almost forget that timimi exists. 
This I believe, is the greatest success of a piece of software. To ensure 
this, timimi should depend only on things that are part of core tiddlywiki. 

So there are 2 ways ahead here.

First is to create a entirely different browser plugin for this. Such a 
scenario will have atleast 3 moving parts -
1. Browser plugin
2. Native host/backend
3. Additional tiddlywiki plugin/saver to generate a new version of save 
object that corresponds to these browser plugin.

Now as I said, this is rather unpleasant because user will have to install 
the plugin to each and every wiki he uses. Sure, an argument can be made 
here that user need to install it only if they require the particular 
feature. Still, unpleasant.

Second is my favorite.  Mostly because I have a few more ideas regarding 
this direction

Jeremy has hinted an update to attributes generated by tiddlyfox.js 
<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4526#issuecomment-606562156>. 
If we are adding attributes anyway - why not add a couple more. Currently 
save object sends just the data and path to tiddlyfox. Imagine if there are 
the following attributes too.

1. backup-path
2. lock-status
3. unique-id for the session

Now let me expand my thinking here. 

1. You have a TW5 file open. You have button that generates a "lock"
2. The "lock" button creates a unique ID for the session which gets 
associated with the the path of the file.
3. Now when save is triggered, this unique ID and lock command is send 
along with  other data points in save object
4. From then onward, whatever-does-the-actual-saving,  will *save to that 
particular path ONLY if save command is accompanied by the particular 
unique id*.
5. Finally user can send an unlock command to remove this restriction. 
6. If user opens it another browser - user could be notified  saying that 
this file is locked and asking him for explicit permission to unlock it.

Such a mechanism could be utilised by any savers - tiddlydesktop, timimi - 
even Bob I guess.

Oh, and the backup-path attribute so that you can have individualised 
backup paths for each tiddlywiki file. The backup path you set in timimi 
settings will be default, but if a tiddlywiki file has a backup-path 
specified, it will override the dafault and save it that location. 

by the way I love the doco at https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/
>

Thank you!! You should look at it from a mobile phone. That is my idea of a 
mobile theme for TW5. It has a lot of moving parts right now. So not 
recommended for public use.

Sincerely,
Riz

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyServer upgraded to 5.1.22 (and NPM install)

[Riz]

Try adding "./" to node_modules too. 

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[tw5] svg shapes macros

[Riz]

With a little work tiddlywiki community can develop this concept into a 
charting library. There might be takers in the quantifiedself followers for a 
programmable editor with a charting library.

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