Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

Top bar would be a good location.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020, 08:51 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> I just realised one of my main workflow steps it I open tiddlywiki.com
> (usualy pinned in a tab) and I hit download empty. Whilst I download it, in
> chrome I don't care where, I just save it in a scratch folder and open it
> from the browser tray.
>
> I can then search, hack, import and test.
>
> Even if its outside getting started, I would really like "Download Empty"
> to be a button somewhere on tiddlywiki.com's initial load.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 9:32:58 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Default saver is prominently explained in the wizard intro. Will that do?
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 16:40 PMario,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 8:00:52 AM UTC+2, Riz wrote:


 Ok. So single HTML file goes first.

 Is download saver the main option intended for promotion? I know it is
 universal, but most users would definitely want a better method. From what
 I understand from usual responses

>>>
>>> I think,it's not the go-to target for every user, but every user should
>>> know it, as a version that works with every settin. Even if there are no
>>> "extensions" available.
>>>
>>> May be we call it "default saver" and make the advantages clear. The
>>> rest may be called "advanced savers"
>>>
>>> some thoughts
>>> mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

Default saver is prominently explained in the wizard intro. Will that do?

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 16:40 PMario,  wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 8:00:52 AM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ok. So single HTML file goes first.
>>
>> Is download saver the main option intended for promotion? I know it is
>> universal, but most users would definitely want a better method. From what
>> I understand from usual responses
>>
>
> I think,it's not the go-to target for every user, but every user should
> know it, as a version that works with every settin. Even if there are no
> "extensions" available.
>
> May be we call it "default saver" and make the advantages clear. The rest
> may be called "advanced savers"
>
> some thoughts
> mario
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

I found tiddlywiki searching for the following keywords:
"Open source cross platform alternatives to zim"

But that was years ago.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 16:30 Birthe C,  wrote:

> How many find Tiddlywiki by Google search, and what are the search
> word/words?
> I have always thought people had read a positive article, a blog  or
> something. Had been evangelised irl or otherwise.
> The many discussion concerning Roam Research I would imagine got many to
> look for alternatives, and Tiddlywiki were mentioned rather a lot.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

I understand your point. The discussion essentially whittles down to:
Should the single HTML file option be left chosen by default?

I myself won't be doing it. I believe it is  wrong to make people's choices
for them based on untested assumptions, rather one should strive to make
their choices clearer.

However if you want it that way, you merely have to add the default
attribute with the value "html" to the first reveal widget in getting
started tiddler. If this PR gets accepted, you can create a PR on top of
this.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 12:48 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> The following is my view point simply in the spirit of sharing
> perspectives.
>
> The key to me, is providing an easy path for the new user to identify if
> tiddlywiki is for them. For someone wanting to store tiddlers in separate
> files ie a specific requirement, they must first have established the tool
> meets their general requirements.
>
> Personally I think some links to a showcase would be good (but not yet
> available?)
>
> In someways if someone "makes it their own" with a download and can play
> with tiddlywiki, when only the default saver is available to them, and they
> like it, even if they can't save it, they will return to the website and
> look for more information.
>
> This is why I think a link to a standard edition/playground edition(s)
> asap would be wise, no download until your hooked approach.
>
> My idea is, if there is a motivation for someone to move to the next step
> and no barrier to do so, we get forward moment, someone from the markdown,
> coder, node server will be motivated to find out how it works and what they
> can do, they will trawl the options (As I did) but a lot of new users
> arriving from a google search may only be motivated by their search string,
> and what it is they were looking for, curiosity could get them to download
> and open empty.html, but I am not sure curiosity will get them to install a
> server, even chose to, before they get an idea of tiddlywiki, if presented
> inappropriately they will think a server install is necessary.
>
> The approach you suggest says "a user MUST consciously choose the single
> HTML", to me this is a barrier too many. A sparse empty.html is the next
> barrier in my view. With not contents tab its may be hard to find a tiddler
> again.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:10:24 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> The download option only makes sense if the user chooses single HTML file
>> version, right? May be users - especially those coming from markdown based
>> note taking applications - might want to keep their notes in separate plain
>> text files.
>>
>> Giving the download button and then explaining the choices would defeat
>> this purpose. So if a user consciously choose the single HTML - that is
>> when he/she should be guided how to download it and save it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 11:19 TW Tones,  wrote:
>>
>>> Riz,
>>>
>>> Totally agree, I suppose I need to take the next step for playground and
>>> standard editions despite it being raised an number of times.
>>>
>>> However If there is no download without selecting an option, how will it
>>> look to a new user?. To me it is a big thing to hide something so essential
>>> that was not before.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:14:10 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:

 > Single file HTML button should be at the top

 Noted. Will change. I am not up for keeping it open. The wizard is in
 place specifically for those people who need help. People should make
 informed decisions. Might be worthwhile to add download button to wizard
 intro though. I would take suggestions on how the text should be.

 Regarding standard edition I agree with the necessity of such an
 edition. However these require a entirely different and thorough
 discussion. What is a standard edition?. What plugins goes into a standard
 edition? How are users guided through the usage of a standard edition? Is
 there gonna be a wizard inside standard edition that will tell user what to
 do step by step?

 When a standard edition is formed and available under tiddlywiki.com
 domain, the GettingStarted Tiddler will be definitely revised to link to it
 in appropriate places. It doesn't exist currently unfortunately.

 Similar is the case with playground edition. There should exist one in
 the repo and under tiddlywiki.com domain. When they do, it will be
 linked.

 Sincerely,
 Riz

 On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 10:28 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> Thanks for your work here
>
> Some Quick points
>
>- Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open
>to start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice
>when they still do not know how to answer.
>- Personally I think at 

Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

Hi Tony,

The download option only makes sense if the user chooses single HTML file
version, right? May be users - especially those coming from markdown based
note taking applications - might want to keep their notes in separate plain
text files.

Giving the download button and then explaining the choices would defeat
this purpose. So if a user consciously choose the single HTML - that is
when he/she should be guided how to download it and save it.




On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 11:19 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> Totally agree, I suppose I need to take the next step for playground and
> standard editions despite it being raised an number of times.
>
> However If there is no download without selecting an option, how will it
> look to a new user?. To me it is a big thing to hide something so essential
> that was not before.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:14:10 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>
>> > Single file HTML button should be at the top
>>
>> Noted. Will change. I am not up for keeping it open. The wizard is in
>> place specifically for those people who need help. People should make
>> informed decisions. Might be worthwhile to add download button to wizard
>> intro though. I would take suggestions on how the text should be.
>>
>> Regarding standard edition I agree with the necessity of such an edition.
>> However these require a entirely different and thorough discussion. What is
>> a standard edition?. What plugins goes into a standard edition? How are
>> users guided through the usage of a standard edition? Is there gonna be a
>> wizard inside standard edition that will tell user what to do step by step?
>>
>> When a standard edition is formed and available under tiddlywiki.com
>> domain, the GettingStarted Tiddler will be definitely revised to link to it
>> in appropriate places. It doesn't exist currently unfortunately.
>>
>> Similar is the case with playground edition. There should exist one in
>> the repo and under tiddlywiki.com domain. When they do, it will be
>> linked.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 10:28 TW Tones,  wrote:
>>
>>> Riz,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your work here
>>>
>>> Some Quick points
>>>
>>>- Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open to
>>>start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice when
>>>they still do not know how to answer.
>>>- Personally I think at least download empty should always be
>>>visible above the choices as it will always be valid.
>>>However as argued elsewhere it would be better to use a Standard
>>>wiki with a little more than empty eg a few inclusions like contents,
>>>display the more page control, home close all and a little more.
>>>- I also believe once established a learn tiddlywiki and playground
>>>editions be pointed to here. If people can experience it without
>>>download/save of any other decisions I expect out adoption or conversion
>>>rate to go up.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> TW Tones
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:40:44 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:

 Hi,

 So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here:
 https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/

 Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same.
 Some other major changes

 1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out
 above, most options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options
 are platform bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise
 it is subdivided to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average
 users might want to see first".
 2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified.
 3. Advice boxes CSS is updated.
 4. Wizard as discussed above.

 I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few
 - HTA hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints
 regarding instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more
 knowledgeable might want to look into these. Actual users of individual
 saver methods could eventually update the docs with detailed instructions
 to set up individual savers.

  Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the
 following.

 1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only
 one saver would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy
 will not be updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion.
 2.  Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step
 matters - like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like
 which cloud service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button
 appear always and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might
 involve animation- so could be costly wrt performance.
 3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in 

Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

Ok. So single HTML file goes first.

Is download saver the main option intended for promotion? I know it is
universal, but most users would definitely want a better method. From what
I understand from usual responses - TiddlyDesktop is the one new users
usually flock to. Hence it is kept at top. The major point of this redo is
to help users reach faster to the point where they might eventually reach
after several attempts, putting download saver on top doesn't look very
logical to me. Think about it - how many users in this forum might be
actually just using just download saver as their major option?

There are parts of documentation that ought to be structure driven, then
there are parts that ought to be usage driven. Order of savers ought to
correspond to latter and hence the most possible choices at the top.

I am merely explaining my choices. If there are more interesting counters,
I am willing to reconsider my stand.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 11:16 PMario,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think, file based options should be first. node.js is definitely more
> complex.
>
> And the browser default saver should be first too. Every user should know
> how it works, because it always works!
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

> Single file HTML button should be at the top

Noted. Will change. I am not up for keeping it open. The wizard is in place
specifically for those people who need help. People should make informed
decisions. Might be worthwhile to add download button to wizard intro
though. I would take suggestions on how the text should be.

Regarding standard edition I agree with the necessity of such an edition.
However these require a entirely different and thorough discussion. What is
a standard edition?. What plugins goes into a standard edition? How are
users guided through the usage of a standard edition? Is there gonna be a
wizard inside standard edition that will tell user what to do step by step?

When a standard edition is formed and available under tiddlywiki.com
domain, the GettingStarted Tiddler will be definitely revised to link to it
in appropriate places. It doesn't exist currently unfortunately.

Similar is the case with playground edition. There should exist one in the
repo and under tiddlywiki.com domain. When they do, it will be linked.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 10:28 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> Thanks for your work here
>
> Some Quick points
>
>- Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open to
>start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice when
>they still do not know how to answer.
>- Personally I think at least download empty should always be visible
>above the choices as it will always be valid.
>However as argued elsewhere it would be better to use a Standard wiki
>with a little more than empty eg a few inclusions like contents, display
>the more page control, home close all and a little more.
>- I also believe once established a learn tiddlywiki and playground
>editions be pointed to here. If people can experience it without
>download/save of any other decisions I expect out adoption or conversion
>rate to go up.
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:40:44 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here:
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/
>>
>> Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. Some
>> other major changes
>>
>> 1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out above,
>> most options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options are
>> platform bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise it is
>> subdivided to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average users
>> might want to see first".
>> 2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified.
>> 3. Advice boxes CSS is updated.
>> 4. Wizard as discussed above.
>>
>> I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few -
>> HTA hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints regarding
>> instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more knowledgeable
>> might want to look into these. Actual users of individual saver methods
>> could eventually update the docs with detailed instructions to set up
>> individual savers.
>>
>>  Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the
>> following.
>>
>> 1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only one
>> saver would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy will
>> not be updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion.
>> 2.  Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step
>> matters - like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like
>> which cloud service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button
>> appear always and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might
>> involve animation- so could be costly wrt performance.
>> 3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in the
>> doc to the CSS given in the demo? Right now I have kept it limited to the
>> tiddlers I modified in this demo.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

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How would you word the question?

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, 19:46 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I don't quite understand the question
>
> "Do you need a dedicated app for saving tiddlywiki?"
>
> Why would anyone say "yes" ? It's more like, "Do you need saving to be
> convenient" ?
>
> I think the "Getting Started" section needs at least a sentence to explain
> that TW doesn't have a save mechanism built in (except the default saver,
> which doesn't count because it needs so much explanation). People are
> totally unprepared for the concept of a tool that doesn't have saving.
> Every app that they have experienced since 1988 has had a save mechanism.
> They need that on-ramp which says "Things are a little different here, you
> have to select one or more saving methods."
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:45:34 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> The major question at this point is what is the algorithm for the "Help
>> me choose it" option.
>>
>> I got only two steps till now
>>
>> Do you need cloud synchronization?
>> - Yes :
>>- Which of the following cloud services would you prefer? GitHub,
>> Gitlab, Dropbox, Google Drive
>> - No: Go to next question
>>
>> Do you need a dedicated app for saving tiddlywiki?
>> - Yes: Show TiddlyDesktop
>> - No: Show download saver
>>
>> Any other questions and corresponding answers?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

There is a parallel Reddit discussion giving more insight to new users take
on the matter here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/h9788l/requesting_inputs_for_improvements_to/

Sincerely,
Riz

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, 04:24 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> I agree with the store.php I gave up getting reliable results. but its
> successor is tw-receiver and it cant be found on tiddlywiki.com easily if
> at all.
>
> https://github.com/sendwheel/tw-receiver
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:22:14 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>
>> That is a good point.
>>
>> Things like server protocols require some more focus. For example WebDAV.
>> There ought be a more detailed steps regarding installation and usage of
>> specific WebDAV servers.
>> Some WebDAV solutions are obviously platform specific. For example, there
>> are WebDAV android apps. In such cases, whoever is pushing the changes
>> should take care to tag them appropriately and ensure that the
>> documentation is complete regarding that particular solution.
>>
>> Also I have questions regarding DAT protocol. Does TW support headless
>> dat server or just beaker browser?
>>
>> Meanwhile, please also remember to give everyone's input regarding what
>> steps you seem appropriate to guide to a new user to find appropriate
>> saver. One question as put forward by Jeremy is whether user needs
>> tiddlywiki to take care of online synchronization, or is it something they
>> want to handle themselves via Dropbox, Google drive etc.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 17:37 PMario,  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:00:55 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:

 Are you talking about authors of the documentation, or of the original
 method? Not all of the methods have associated authors.

>>>
>>> Hi, I was talking about the authors of the original method, if eg:
>>> AddOns or apps are involved. IMO only the authors can decide, how they
>>> intended the functions to be used. ... They need to support it.
>>>
>>> Some elements, like WebDav are documentation only, so there may be
>>> several authors involved.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

>
>
> To add to the GettingStarted change: I think the status of checkboxes
> should be saved in $:/state tiddler instead of $:/temp, because now
> changing options changes the dirty flag.
>

Noted. Will change in the next commit.

Sincerely,
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

All in all, delete beaker browser for now and add it later when things are
more stable?

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 18:29 PMario,  wrote:

> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 2:22:14 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
> Also I have questions regarding DAT protocol. Does TW support headless dat
>> server or just beaker browser?
>>
>
> At the moment it's Beaker-browser only!
>
> I personally do see a lot of potential in the peer to peer DAT-protocol
> ... Which is now Hypercore-protocol
> .
> ...
>
> We have been a bit early, implementing a DAT saver, which should be
> deprecated as soon as possible. It will only work using the beaker-browser
> V 0.8.x ... As the version number shows, it's a beta version and the API
> has been subject to change. ... And it did!
>
> The new beta is 1.0.0-prerelease.x, which is a completely different
> concept to V0.8.0 ... Again: It's a completely different thing. Browser and
> protocol wise. So the DAT saver won't work anymore.
>
> If Beaker 1.0 is shipped, the API is considered to be stable. See V1.0.0
> ... So they will have to be more careful, changing APIs in a compatible
> way.
>
> As I wrote, the whole "workflow" has changed considerably. Beaker browser
> now uses a "hyperdrive-deamon
> ", that is
> independent form beaker. But it's highly influenced by beaker. ...
>
> At the moment Beaker browser is the only usable GUI, that can talk to the
> deamon. It abstracts most of the complicated things away, but it has its
> own opinions how some workflows should look like.
>
> The rest of the utilities that exist are command line (CLI) based, which
> is a no-go for most of our users.
>
> I am working on a new "single file" saver, that can use the new
> Beaker-API. ... BUT the whole thing isn't very harddisk space efficient,
> because it doesn't use anything of the "good stuff" that hyperdrive
>  has to offer.
>
> So the first version, that makes sense for me, will separete the
> core-js-code from html-content, which can be done in a save way, since
> hyperdrive has a "built-in" versioning system.
>
> ... more to follow in a new thread, when the time comes!
>
> have fun!
> mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

That is a good point.

Things like server protocols require some more focus. For example WebDAV.
There ought be a more detailed steps regarding installation and usage of
specific WebDAV servers.
Some WebDAV solutions are obviously platform specific. For example, there
are WebDAV android apps. In such cases, whoever is pushing the changes
should take care to tag them appropriately and ensure that the
documentation is complete regarding that particular solution.

Also I have questions regarding DAT protocol. Does TW support headless dat
server or just beaker browser?

Meanwhile, please also remember to give everyone's input regarding what
steps you seem appropriate to guide to a new user to find appropriate
saver. One question as put forward by Jeremy is whether user needs
tiddlywiki to take care of online synchronization, or is it something they
want to handle themselves via Dropbox, Google drive etc.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 17:37 PMario,  wrote:

> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:00:55 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Are you talking about authors of the documentation, or of the original
>> method? Not all of the methods have associated authors.
>>
>
> Hi, I was talking about the authors of the original method, if eg: AddOns
> or apps are involved. IMO only the authors can decide, how they intended
> the functions to be used. ... They need to support it.
>
> Some elements, like WebDav are documentation only, so there may be several
> authors involved.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Rizwan Ishak]

Hi Thomas,

The entire card is a link. So a link within a link would not a great UI
choice.

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 00:51 Thomas Elmiger,  wrote:

> Hi Riz and Jeremy,
>
> First: Thank you both for improving this important entry point! I think it
> is a big step forward.
>
> Riz:
>
>> I have only made visual changes, nothing else. If choosing a set of
>> options does not show a saver, it is because it needs more tags.
>>
>
> The changes are good, people finding more room for improvements (in
> related, untouched tiddlers) shows that you give us a new perspective.
>
> I wanted to propose a change to the card design but did not find out how
> to make a proper pull request from the github web interface:
>
> https://github.com/telmiger/TiddlyWiki5/blob/tiddlywiki-com/editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/system/tw5.com-card-template.tid
>
> (There are always unrelated files and very old commits from my master
> branch involved that would only be irritating. I don’t know how to get rid
> of them.)
>
> My main idea is to link the author name with the solution URL. I would
> like to keep the link to the description tiddler and offer a shortcut to
> the solution also. In order to clearly separate the two links, I put the
> author information at the end of the card.
>
> Feel free to copy that manually if you like it.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki toolmap in the welcome tiddler

[Rizwan Ishak]

It won't be much of a hassle to run it through a script to weed out
duplicate URLs. That won't be an issue. The problem I foresee, as you said,
is proper descriptions for plugins. That would take some manual work. There
I might enlist help.

After all, listing things is exactly what Tiddlywiki is good at. If we
don't do it in Tiddlywiki, people would question the very validity of
tiddlywiki's claim to be a note taking application.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 21:35 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
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> You sign the CLA to say that your documentation *about* the plugin is
> yours. You would only need the plugin author's CLA if you were posting the
> actual plugin. Or, is that what you intend? Anyway, that's how I interpret
> the CLA.
>
> Keep in mind that if you reposted from the toolmap you would need to check
> for duplicates, of which I imagine there are dozens ... hundreds?
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 8:08:21 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>>  Perils of collaboration.
>>
>> On the other hand, I find most of the GitHub discussions, especially in
>> Tiddlywiki repo, very constructive. There are mild delays, but these days
>> with the separation of documentation from the releaae cycle and continuous
>> integration, things are much faster.
>>
>> I have one question though. Do every plugin author have to sign CLA for
>> their plugin to be listed? If not, I might push the whole thing to
>> tiddlywiki.com once my work in updating the saving methods comes to a
>> close. The community section needs updates terribly.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 20:22 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
>> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That was my thought two, three years ago. But you have to use github,
>>> create the tiddlers, push the tiddlers, make a pull request and then ...
>>> worse of all ... wait while bored individuals can take potshots at your
>>> submission. Very few people are willing to go through all that. That's why
>>> the "community" section is so far behind.
>>>
>>> With tiddlymap, David and his helpers can create an entry in seconds. If
>>> it's wrong, someone else can fix it later ... in seconds.
>>>
>>> Also, "community" is a bit buried on TiddlyWiki.com. Unfortunately, the
>>> title author's give to things may not reflect what the plugin does, so the
>>> hit doesn't show up in the title results, but is buried with the "also ran"
>>> results. There probably needs to be a separate search for "community" and
>>> "learning" that use keywords to limit false hits.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:16:53 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:

 I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As
 in, listing the plugins

 On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 18:43 Birthe C, wrote:

> Riz,
>
> It is listet Resources
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#%22TiddlyWiki%20Toolmap%22%20by%20David%20Gifford
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki toolmap in the welcome tiddler

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 Perils of collaboration.

On the other hand, I find most of the GitHub discussions, especially in
Tiddlywiki repo, very constructive. There are mild delays, but these days
with the separation of documentation from the releaae cycle and continuous
integration, things are much faster.

I have one question though. Do every plugin author have to sign CLA for
their plugin to be listed? If not, I might push the whole thing to
tiddlywiki.com once my work in updating the saving methods comes to a
close. The community section needs updates terribly.


On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 20:22 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
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>
> That was my thought two, three years ago. But you have to use github,
> create the tiddlers, push the tiddlers, make a pull request and then ...
> worse of all ... wait while bored individuals can take potshots at your
> submission. Very few people are willing to go through all that. That's why
> the "community" section is so far behind.
>
> With tiddlymap, David and his helpers can create an entry in seconds. If
> it's wrong, someone else can fix it later ... in seconds.
>
> Also, "community" is a bit buried on TiddlyWiki.com. Unfortunately, the
> title author's give to things may not reflect what the plugin does, so the
> hit doesn't show up in the title results, but is buried with the "also ran"
> results. There probably needs to be a separate search for "community" and
> "learning" that use keywords to limit false hits.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:16:53 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As
>> in, listing the plugins
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 18:43 Birthe C, wrote:
>>
>>> Riz,
>>>
>>> It is listet Resources
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#%22TiddlyWiki%20Toolmap%22%20by%20David%20Gifford
>>>
>>>
>>> Birthe
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Re: [tw5] Re: Local Search Engine - Passing search parameters from address bar

[Rizwan Ishak]

Most welcome. May be there is a need to highlight this feature a bit more.

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 20:25 Duarte Farrajota Ramos, 
wrote:

> Wow indeed! Wasn't aware of these extended permalink features, should have
> read the documentation more carefully.
> This works like a charm, exactly what I wanted.
>
> For the record if anyone else wants to know how, you can simply add to
> your browser something like
> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]
> and it will behave like any search engine. Works both for Chrome-alike as
> from the search engine list, and for Firefox as a regular bookmark with an
> alias.
>
> Many thanks for the help, Riz, just what I was looking for.
>
> On Thursday, 11 June 2020 15:24:45 UTC+1, Riz wrote:
>>
>> See https://tiddlywiki.com/#PermaLinks
>>
>> You can specify a filter in the URL. Since there is a search operator in
>> filters, you can actually pass search variable in URL to Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> Tiddlywiki has ton of functionality that is kinda hidden in Documentation.
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki toolmap in the welcome tiddler

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I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As in,
listing the plugins

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> Riz,
>
> It is listet Resources
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Re: [tw5] Re: TW5 subreddit crossed 1000 users

[Rizwan Ishak]

Thanks Eric

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020, 08:20 Eric Shulman,  wrote:

> The Welcome message is now:
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> Welcome to the TiddlyWiki 5 discussion group for end users.
>
> *Feel free to ask questions - we welcome newcomers, and are eager to help
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is it possible to divide this Google group into subgroups?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Of course I meant tagging threads only. No, edit tags is not available to
non-moderators. I think that is good, only original poster and mods should
have the ability to tag a thread. I am suggesting whenever a poster tags a
thread wrong, or forgets to tag, mods can step in and tag the thread so
that in future, new users like OP can browse through announcement posts and
so.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, 13:52 Eric Shulman,  wrote:

> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 1:02:28 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Can the admins or moderators tag the posts? This is what we do in reddit.
>> If a tag is untagged or wrongly tagged, the moderators modify the tag of
>> the post. We also added widgets to sidebar with buttons like "plugins",
>> "adaptation" etc pressing on which users can filter out just the plugin
>> announcement posts. This will act as a community resource which can replace
>> individual efforts like tiddlytoolmap.
>>
>
> Tags are applied to the entire thread, not individual posts.  I can edit
> tags for any thread, but I'm not sure if non-moderators can do that as
> well.  Take a look at the top of the thread.  It is currently has one tag:
> "GoogleGroup".  On my display, there is an "edit tags" link the current
> tag.  Does that show for you as well?
>
> There's no facility on GoogleGroups for adding "widgets" or "buttons" to
> the sidebar.  However, there is a "search for messages" control at the top
> of the page.  Take note of the "down arrow" (just to the left of the
> magnifying glass).  If you press that arrow, it will show a popup panel
> with options for searching.  One of the options is "with tag" which should
> allow you to find messages based on a specified tag value.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is it possible to divide this Google group into subgroups?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Can the admins or moderators tag the posts? This is what we do in reddit.
If a tag is untagged or wrongly tagged, the moderators modify the tag of
the post. We also added widgets to sidebar with buttons like "plugins",
"adaptation" etc pressing on which users can filter out just the plugin
announcement posts. This will act as a community resource which can replace
individual efforts like tiddlytoolmap.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, 13:25 Eric Shulman,  wrote:

> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:19:46 PM UTC-7, Reet Pandher wrote:
>>
>> Why not stick a post to the top that lists the rules of posting?
>>
>
> There is a "welcome message" that appears above the list of postings.
> That is the place for any "rules of posting".  However, we don't really
> have any "rules of posting" in this group.  We allow people to use their
> own judgement for how to post.  Most of the time, it works out just fine.
> If something needs attention for a limited period of time (a week or two at
> most), I will pin a topic ("display at top") when requested (only admins --
> myself, Jeremy, Daniel Baird and Mark S. -- can pin/unpin a topic).
>
>
>> Also, it seems making "categories" is possible in google groups: example
>> i found on google
>> 
>>
>
> The "Categories" feature is a completely different setting that has to be
> enabled and configured by an admin.  A group can either use "tags" or
> "categories"... but not both.  I'm not sure what impact changing that
> setting may have on people who use an email feed rather than direct web
> access.  We might give it a try... but only AFTER I discuss it with Jeremy
> (once he is feeling better), and only if changing the setting can be easily
> reversed if we don't like the outcome.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi install question

[Rizwan Ishak]

Oh, ok

On Wed, 27 May 2020, 15:31 Rizwan Ishak, 
wrote:

> That is weird. You have timimi-2-1-1-Mac in your "Downloads" folder -
> which the exact name of your Downloads folder? But terminal says the file
> is not there. Is there a chance your Downloads folder is located anywhere
> else but in your home folder?
>
> On Wed, 27 May 2020, 15:27 JWHoneycutt,  wrote:
>
>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 ~ %
>> cd ~/Downloads
>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>> chmod: ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac: No such file or directory
>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>> zsh: no such file or directory: ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads %
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:51:00 AM UTC-4, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you open the terminal application in Mac and run the following
>>> commands one by one
>>>
>>> cd ~/Downloads
>>> chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>>> ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2020, 15:19 JWHoneycutt,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Riz,
>>>>
>>>> In my download folder, the downloaded native host is called "
>>>> timimi-2-1-1-Mac"
>>>> The option to open is with TextEdit (default)
>>>> I cannot find any other file to open it with, although (almost all)
>>>> other downloads open with ArchiveUtility by default
>>>> It saves in my downloads folder as a 4.2Mb file
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help
>>>> JWHoneycutt
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 4:45:03 PM UTC-4, Riz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> All right. Let us review. You downloaded timimi native host to your
>>>>> download folder? What is the name of the file there?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi install question

[Rizwan Ishak]

That is weird. You have timimi-2-1-1-Mac in your "Downloads" folder - which
the exact name of your Downloads folder? But terminal says the file is not
there. Is there a chance your Downloads folder is located anywhere else but
in your home folder?

On Wed, 27 May 2020, 15:27 JWHoneycutt,  wrote:

> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 ~ %
> cd ~/Downloads
> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
> chmod: ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac: No such file or directory
> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
> zsh: no such file or directory: ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads %
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:51:00 AM UTC-4, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Can you open the terminal application in Mac and run the following
>> commands one by one
>>
>> cd ~/Downloads
>> chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>> ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>>
>> On Wed, 27 May 2020, 15:19 JWHoneycutt,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Riz,
>>>
>>> In my download folder, the downloaded native host is called "
>>> timimi-2-1-1-Mac"
>>> The option to open is with TextEdit (default)
>>> I cannot find any other file to open it with, although (almost all)
>>> other downloads open with ArchiveUtility by default
>>> It saves in my downloads folder as a 4.2Mb file
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help
>>> JWHoneycutt
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 4:45:03 PM UTC-4, Riz wrote:

 All right. Let us review. You downloaded timimi native host to your
 download folder? What is the name of the file there?
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi install question

[Rizwan Ishak]

Can you open the terminal application in Mac and run the following commands
one by one

cd ~/Downloads
chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
./timimi-2-1-1-Mac

On Wed, 27 May 2020, 15:19 JWHoneycutt,  wrote:

> Hi Riz,
>
> In my download folder, the downloaded native host is called "
> timimi-2-1-1-Mac"
> The option to open is with TextEdit (default)
> I cannot find any other file to open it with, although (almost all) other
> downloads open with ArchiveUtility by default
> It saves in my downloads folder as a 4.2Mb file
>
> Thanks for your help
> JWHoneycutt
>
> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 4:45:03 PM UTC-4, Riz wrote:
>>
>> All right. Let us review. You downloaded timimi native host to your
>> download folder? What is the name of the file there?
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Minimalist me: using unicode characters instead of images

[Rizwan Ishak]

The link I shared lists cross platform unicode characters that can be
safely used.

On Tue, 26 May 2020, 13:40 PMario,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This should work for many platforms and devices. ... BUT it also depends
> on the fonts, that are available for the system. So you can't be sure if it
> works for every user. Unicode fonts grow considerably in size, depending
> which elements they implement.
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: HomelabOS fixed my issue with TW!!!

[Rizwan Ishak]

If you write it up, there will be definitely feedbacks and suggestions.

On Sat, 23 May 2020, 20:09 kelsang sherab,  wrote:

> I am happy to be involved.
>
> I do not have any experience in writing this kind of things but I am very
> happy to
>
> Either join a team effort.
>
> If no one is willing to do it  I am very happy to try.
>
> *In summary: *I am up for it - but it will be better if c could do it
> with someone else.
>
>
> On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 1:50:10 PM UTC+1, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Would you like to write a guide for newbies to get such a set up running?
>> We will feature it in reddit.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How to publish a plugin?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Tinka is a very important part of the Tiddlywiki development flow. However
it is also a third party plugin. If someone hypothetically writes a
tutorial, will it be accepted to tiddlywiki.com? The underlying question
becomes what is the ideal criteria to select tutorials to the Tiddlywiki
site? There are lot of third party plugins and it is unfair to accept
tutorial about one and not about other.

On Fri, 22 May 2020, 19:01 Roel Vanhout,  wrote:

> Thanks all. The pointer to the Tinka plugin was especially useful.
> Although it's maybe telling that I hadn't found that myself, despite
> literally hours of googling, including (in the beginning) explicitly for
> 'tiddlywiki plugin tutorial' and variations on that. And if it's linked to
> from tiddlywiki.com somewhere, I didn't find it. I do have some thoughts
> (both as a software developer and as a fresh user who's trying to do some
> what I'd think would be at worst medium hard customizations to fit a
> specific workflow) on overall usability and documentation, but it seems
> from the copious other messages on this list that this is actively being
> addressed and that my notes wouldn't really add any value. And I don't want
> to come across as ungrateful either - I understand how things got to where
> they are, but I have good hopes that Tiddlywiki will be a great tool that
> will do what I want much better than all the other tools I have tried over
> the years and that some temporary frustration will soon be forgotten. So
> thanks to the developers (and I don't mean that in a damning with faint
> praise way :) ).
>
> Anyway, I have my plugin now working and polished enough to be quite
> satisfactory for my own use. If anyone is interested in trying it, it can
> be downloaded from
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsrk9ltg3z867x1/%24%20_plugins_rvanhout_videoelement.tid?dl=0
> . There is a readme in there that explains how to use the macro it
> provides, but there is also a button in the editor toolbar to insert a stub
> macro invocation, much more convenient.
>
> (for completeness and for those who hadn't been reading along - what this
> plugin does is it provides a way to include videos in your tiddlers,
> collapsed by default, and it lets you set a starting time stamp in the
> video; so if you're analyzing video(s), you can keep notes on what happens
> at various points in time in the video)
>
> cheers
>
> Roel
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Joshua Fontany 
> wrote:
>
>> I would really love to test such functionality. Tinka is a good option.
>> Here is the official documents on how to pack a plugin-tiddler in the
>> browser. Once packed, it appears a a plugin in the wiki and can be exported
>> just like any other tiddler.
>>
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/static/How%2520to%2520create%2520plugins%2520in%2520the%2520browser.html
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joshua F
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:23 AM UTC-7, Roel Vanhout wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've gotten my plugin, to show videos in tiddlywiki with extra
>>> functionality so that I can use tiddlywiki for video analysis and
>>> annotation, working. I've done this by putting my code and assets in
>>> tiddlers in a standalone tiddlywiki, which I view through 'timimi' (I used
>>> to rename my tiddlywikis to .hta and run them self contained, but I needed
>>> a debugger and dom inspector to develop my plugin, and now I've grown to
>>> like them in a browser tab).
>>>
>>> All information I can find on plugins is when you develop them with a
>>> node server. I'm wondering if someone can point me to a way to 'export' the
>>> relevant tiddlers in a way so that I can 'import' them into other
>>> tiddlywikis. I'm hoping I don't have to manually copy and paste the
>>> relevant tiddlers?
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> roel
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

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@Tony
Mat started the group

On Fri, 22 May 2020, 11:05 TonyM,  wrote:

> FYI Riz has started a Google Group for UI Changes
>
> Please consider discussing this elephant task over there
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/tiddlywikiui
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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

@Mat

I am getting a "You do not have permission to access this content" error

Can you check this thread regarding the above mentioned error message

https://support.google.com/a/thread/7309984?hl=en=7338450

On Thu, 21 May 2020, 18:44 Birthe C,  wrote:

> Mat,
> So sorry. Once upon a time I just saw something working like that in one
> of your tiddlyspots (I cannot even remember which one it was). I had to try
> it...that is why I called it by your name.
>
> torsdag den 21. maj 2020 kl. 15.06.44 UTC+2 skrev Mat:
>>
>> Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> I have seen and tried Mats hover, but it kind of flickers and I do not
>>> find it easy to use. At least not on my computer.
>>>
>>
>> There's a "Mats hover"? I am just referring to the general technique, it
>> is not mine. It works well on many (non-TW) sites and other apps.
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

@Mat: oh no

The idea of a community repo is to ensure a parallel system of testing
visual changes, documentation and other feature sets without bothering
Jeremy for every silly thing. Pushing the important changes to core while
keeping the rest in a community repo mirroring main repo, will keep the
main repo clean.

I have not done this for two reasons

1. Such a community repo should be owned by members much senior to me.
Somebody who has intimate knowledge of wikitext and JavaScript. A
organisational Repo can have more than one owner - So may be 3 owners.

2. Even such a move should have Jeremy's go ahead. Because unlike
individual plugin repos, organisational repos based on TW5 is a more
serious affair.

If such an community repo becomes real, there can be teams under that with
jobs assigned to review new documentation and may be even a curated plugin
list. I would my time and knowledge in whatever way I can to such an
endeavour, but not initiative.

I have learned well from Reddit experience :)

Sincerely,
Riz



On Thu, 21 May 2020, 16:43 Mat,  wrote:

> Edgaras wrote:
>>
>> - Arrows are for navigating back and forward, which tiddler you visited
>> the latest (clicking on links). I updated arrows to look less like
>> redo/undo.
>>
>
> That indicates your vision is a single tiddler view mode - ? I would
> definitely not like this for default TW because it makes open data much
> more difficult to access.
>
>
>
>> - Icons and background I need to test. I was not fan of the original
>> icons, but maybe that's bias, I will try them on the new layout.
>>
>
> I believe, the icons are custom made by Jeremy. I personally like them but
> a big disadvantage is that one cannot easily find new icons with a similar
> style. The optimal would either be if we had a custom made, very rich set (
> ref ) or, more
> easily, just use some rich open source alternative.
>
>
>
>> - I think we need some general consideration around system tiddlers. I
>> think there could be a way to seperate content and system tiddlers. I've
>> seen some interesting theme, where tiddlers were in the sidebar, I think
>> some system tiddlers could be pinned to the sidebar, so they are always at
>> reach.
>>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean here with system tiddlers. System tiddlers are
> (simply!) tiddlers that have the prefix $:/ and this hides them from
> showing up in most lists. In my post to which you reply, I bring up system
> fields, i.e the few "reserved words/names" that are used for data fields in
> the system.
>
>
>
>> - Even if TW is for personal use, it does not have to be messy... Many
>> people want to have a distraction free writing and thinking experience.
>> That's the key for me. The "prettiness" come from practicality, hiding
>> things that you don't use too often. It's a balance yet to be found,
>> through iterations we will find way to prioritise more used items and make
>> them more visible.
>>
>
> We need to consider both "writing" and "using" actually, for writing,
> we should perhaps even differentiate between typing text (e.g a markup'ed
> poem) and more complex "WikiTexting" where you need access to tools and you
> need to look up titles for other tiddlers, etc. The former, i.e the typing
> of simple text would benefit from distraction free (I like the OMM
> interface , old video I know
> but those click sounds and the music... h) - but WikiTexting probably
> can't be quite that.
>
>
> Again, it helps to be more specific – here I agree with you, sidebar
>> should be more prominent, probably open by the default. I will work on
>> sidebar.
>>
>
> One could imagine a toggle up in corner for e.g "distraction free light
> markup", "full WikiTexting with direct tool access", "full on display of
> all features"
>
>
> - Yes, toolbar needs to be re-introduced, I forgot in this iteration. My
>> take on toolbar is like this:
>>   a. It should be possible to hide toolbar by default. (Maybe
>> already is, but I want that on the spot)
>>
>
> I like "hover to show" but I know Jeremy is not fond of this because he
> thinks it is problematic on touch screens... yet, it is commonly used on
> touch screens where, if I recall, it instead is "touch to show".
>
>
>
>>   b. Balloon popup toolbox is super good idea. I would use that a
>> lot when toolbar is hidden (also should be possible to customize on the
>> spot, maybe small link icon that leads to settings.)
>>
>
> Yeah, I find that controls should be as close to *here *as possible AND
> also collected in a central place. TW and transclusion is perfect for this;
> dispersed doses of local control for the context AN D a central
> Controlplanel aggregating them all.
>
>
> Referring back to @Riz point; maybe this discussion should be moved into a
> Github repo (you created one, right @Riz?). The thread is split up here so
> it is difficult to navigate to what is 

Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Modern, minimalist, true to TW5 nature and
professional. I have been keenly following this community for the past five
years, and on the visual aspect of matters, this is the best thing that has
happened by a wide margin.

If there an invisible priority list for stuff to be put into core, I would
vote for this to be on the top of it.

Once Jeremy finds his strength back, ping him to this thread and take his
view, so that this would be a reality.

Sincerely,
Riz.

On Thu, 21 May 2020, 03:56 Edgaras,  wrote:

> Alright, I gave another shot for the prototype. I accept the fact that
> redeveloping the core editor might be too big of the task from the
> beginning... That's unfortunate,
> but I adapted the prototype to keep the current editor:
>
> Key changes:
> - View/edit in two modes instead of one
> - Moved "Meta info" section down
> - To mimic the card style, I added a border to the tiddler, so it will be
> visible when there are more than one.
> - Moved favorite start in the same line with tags
>
> *Important part about this design is that you can edit everything on
> tiddler right away without going to edit mode, except the main body of the
> tiddler, that requires editing mode.*
>
> *See the video
>  *
> *And try the prototype in Figma
> 
>  *
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Re: [tw5] Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

How about we start a organisational Repo in GitHub called TW5-Community and
work collaboratively on the wizard Jeremy asked for? It would take the
noise out the main repo. Once Jeremy is well, we can loop him in.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Tue, 19 May 2020, 17:33 Mat,  wrote:

> PMario
>
> It is a GREAT idea to use the info area as a mini-type controlpanel for
> the tiddler, especially to set which view/edittemplates to show.
>
> Overall I think transclusion enables control both to be central/global for
> the wiki and local for specific contexts. I think this is under-used in TW.
>
>
> I also think, that the info button should be part of the EditTemplate.
>> Same thing here. Most elements of the editor can be hidden behind it. [...]
>>
>
> Hear hear.
>
>
>
>> Even the tag-editor and the title field can be removed, except, if the
>> tiddler is named New Tiddler or something similar.
>>
>
> Hmmm...  ;-)
>
>
>
>> With a mechanism like this, plugins can add "reference / backlinking"
>> output into the tiddler info section OR at the end of the xxTemplate, and
>> the user can decide, if and when they want to see this info.
>>
>> Similar to this example:
>> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/slant-01/#04-clicking-tag-opens-tagmap
>> ... If you *click a tag*, it will open something that I called "Tag
>> Map". [...]
>>
>
> Not sure about that particular proposal - I think the current behaviour,
> i.e that you get a dropdown for the current tag is pretty good.
> However, interestingly, there is no "feature" if you click tags in *edit 
> *mode.
> IMO this place would be useful for tag settings etc.
>
>
> If the (i)nfo button would be part of the default UI, I'm pretty sure
>> users will click it, because it is something special and they want to know,
>> what's behind it. I'm sure, the "more" chevron is completely ignored by
>> most users.
>>
>
> Where do you propose the content from the chevron should go? Or should the
> chevron stay and there should be *four *default toolbar buttons?
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

The idea is to get users to use widgets and macros, definitely. However,
the question is how to get them to that level quickly. If the syntax for
normal things like headings, bold and italics are something they are
already familiar with, users don't have to spend time picking them up. That
time could be better spent on learning things like macros and widgets.

On Tue, 19 May 2020, 13:44 Mat,  wrote:

> Riz wrote:
>>
>> May be TW5 can offer an edition where wikitext markup mimic the markdown
>> syntax. It won't be hard, a few regex changes in 20-25 parser tiddlers.
>> That way new users don't have to deal with learning a new markup. If they
>> do not intend to dive deep to use widgets and macros and all, they can
>> simply stick to using just what they want.
>>
>
> Maybe, and it is worth exploring. I'm very curious about it but I suspect
> the combo of "limited" but not "specialized" would not bring anything
> useful. I.e it would then be an odd behaving editor where you can style
> your text. What would people *do* with it? What is it *for*?
>
> In my "syntax idea collection thread
> "
> I posted that it would be an improvement if widgets were embedded into
> macros to spare the users from seeing the complex looking widget syntax. If
> users accepts using macros they'd have infinitely more power than mere
> markdown.
>
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Re: [tw5] Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

May be TW5 can offer an edition where wikitext markup mimic the markdown
syntax. It won't be hard, a few regex changes in 20-25 parser tiddlers.
That way new users don't have to deal with learning a new markup. If they
do not intend to dive deep to use widgets and macros and all, they can
simply stick to using just what they want.

I know there are markdown plugins which offer different levels of
functionality. However, users have to know about their existence. Plus if I
remember correctly, the core markdown plugin keeps the text and metadata in
separate files? Like the CSS and JavaScript tiddlers. So that might not
work for users like Edgaras who use a markdown editor to create new files,
rather than tiddlywiki itself.

I don't see any outright negatives in such a move.



On Tue, 19 May 2020, 10:33 Mat,  wrote:

> Edgaras wrote:
>>
>> Definitely I think markdown should be the default to reach broader
>> masses. The focus should be on easy to use interface, easy markup language.
>> Tiddlytext can stay for configurations and customisations, but users don’t
>> need to get there easily, it can be in settings.
>>
>
> Markdown is a simple punctuation-to-HTML conversion. WikiText features
> exact equivalents to this. People can stick to using only this - if they
> are OK with that it isn't very powerful.
>
> In *addition *it features several other, much more powerful, tools that
> do things that markdown cannot accomplish.
>
> So what are you actually suggesting?
>
> Thanks!
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

Glad you find Tekan amusing.

So if let me try and summarise.

If markdown was the main markup system, users would find TW5 more
accessible?

On Tue, 19 May 2020, 05:41 Edgaras,  wrote:

> Mat I think there is a bit of difference tinkering in tiddlytext and
> something widespread and future proof as html/css/js.
> Also there are much more resources, people had every single problem
> thousands of times.
>
> I strongly agree with central place where to publish stuff. Imagine if
> there was a website where top solutions are promoted, voted up. Those would
> get attention and be improved by donations and contributions. Over the
> month with TW I kept discovering great stuff, just couple of days ago I
> discovered Tekan
>  by *Riz.
> *Truly amazing example of how TW can be anything.
>
> –––
>
> *Riz *I am up for a discussion and feedback! I really want to help TW.
> Let me try to explain.
>
> Given that HTML is the target for both
>
> This is not true for me. I only want to publish some of my notes. It's
> important for me to also build a personal knowledge system. With the right
> format and organisation system Niklas Luhmann developed his "second brain"
> – the Zettelkasten modular noting system just by using paper notes. I want
> to achieve similar with modular human readable, file based digital notes.
> Markdown fits perfectly for this purpose, the format is universal, very
> portable, supported by many editors, systems. So I strongly agree with Scott
> here. Markdown is a strong original readable format. I like the idea of
> starting with Markdown (in some cases JSON or CSV) as a base data/model
> format
> and then add logic and structure with html/css/js.
>
> Next very important thing for me is the editing experience. If I spend a
> lot of time writing, I want it to be pleasant and calm. That's why I love
> Typora , a super minimal text editor, doing
> one job well – editing content. The editing interface is separated from my
> data files, I can change to another editor at any time I want. That being
> said, I wish Typora had some of the
> RoamResearch superpowers. And funny enough something like that was
> released couple of months ago – Obsidian . I think
> in time we will see more and more editors that are made
> for interconnected thoughts, complex thinking.
>
> I also wish TW would become like that one day – a tool that connects well
> with other workflows and not a monolith system (that is super modular but
> internally).
>
> I use VSCode but it's optimized for coding and not for writing. The
> interface is way too complex for a writing tool.
>
> Maybe that's another thing that I would like to see in TW – much more
> separation between building the tool/tinkering and writing, thinking
> connecting thoughts. It's like when you are driving a car you don't wan to
> see all the engines and electronics (while some people still would enjoy
> that).
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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

[Rizwan Ishak]

Hi Edgaras,

I respect your decision. Tiddlywiki is a great tool, but people are
different with different priorities and no single tool can meet them all. I
hope you find joy in your new note taking system.

As someone interested in improving tiddlywiki to a point where people like
you will be able to use it more comfortably, I would like to know more
specifically what did you find difficult  to accomplish.

I am asking this because I see that your current choice is markdown and
eleventy. Personally I do not see much difference between markdown markup
and tiddlywiki markup. Given that HTML is the target for both, ultimately
what markup we choose is pointless. Given that basic characteristics
offered by markdown and wikitext are the same, and wikitext offers more
possibilities (which are optional), I often find it interesting that users
prefer markdown.
You are clearly comfortable using terminal. So static site generation is
not an issue too.

Again, I am not criticising your choices. We are all knowledge workers and
what works for us is what we ought to choose. I am merely trying to satisfy
my curiosity.

You seems like a person who would enjoy writing in a proper text editor
than in browser. So I will leave you with a suggestion. Use VSCode and
TiddlyBob next time you want to give tiddlywiki a try. Bob will update what
you time in text editor almost instantaneously in browser, so that you can
see the finished product. VSCode has its own snippet manager and tons of
other useful plugins.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Mon, 18 May 2020, 23:52 Edgaras Benediktavicus, 
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> *Riz *I put this project on pause. I wanted mainly to address the editor
> experience, but seems like it's a huge job to do. The learning curve of
> TiddlyWiki is too big for me for now. I might come back to this project in
> the future. I had a fun month with TiddlyWiki, but it was also very time
> consuming to make it work the way I wanted and to adjust the looks and
> feels.
>
> For now I am exploring other ways to organise and publish my notes. Typora
> (.md) files + 11ty static site builder (html, css, js) + espanso text
> expander for code snippets. I like the idea of having my notes by default
> as seperate static files on my computer in a universal format. And I am
> more comfortable with html/css/js than learning tiddlytext.
>
> At this point in time the learning curve is way to high for me to optimize
> the interface and workflow the way I want with TiddlyWiki.
>
> I think TiddlyWiki is still a super tool and is very promising with all
> what's done. But at the moment a bit too inconsistent, difficult to use.
> Plugins help but then everything is very patchy.
>
> I know for many people TW is a hobby. But I just want a tool that works, I
> don't want to tinker with it every day, keep fixing bugs and
> inconsistencies.
>
> Therefore, I think it requires a different organised approach to asses the
> vision and make it more modern, matching the nowadays needs and
> expectations (RoamResearch, Obsidian content editor, static site
> builders...).
>
> If somebody is serious about this, I would be willing to join to help
> shaping the new vision and design in the future.
>
> Cheers.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

My plan is to try and build a graphical installer for Mac. People are
having difficulty with Terminal.

Yeah, search thing is not intentional. But I am not regretting it either. :)

On Sun, 10 May 2020, 20:06 Sylvain Naudin,  wrote:

> Hello, Riz,
>
> I just installed Timimi on an old version of Mac OS X El Capitan (10.11.6).
>
> timimi-2-1-1-Mac was not executable, and by the way, if I double-click it,
> it displays it in the text editor.
>
> So maybe indicate this in the doc that it is still possible to solve this
> by going through the terminal (chmod +x) and running the command from the
> terminal.
>
>
> Otherwise for info, I don't know if it's done on purpose, you left a
> search in progress when you save your wiki. That said, it gives other
> navigation options :D
>
>
> Sylvain
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

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Download and Emergency saver qn only makes sense in context of single file
tiddlywikis, right? So shouldn't the user be asked to choose that first?

Again, ideally the first thing user should view is a feature comparison
table between advanced savers. But this would require a discussion on what
features should be considered for comparison.

This is merely a demo of visual upgrade to the existing GettingStarted
tiddler.

On Wed, 6 May 2020, 19:30 PMario,  wrote:

> Hi Riz,
>
> I'm in favor of your approach, to make the "list of possible savers" more
> accessible for new users.
>
> Let's put the styling side of things out of the way at the beginning ;)
>
> I think, the first question / checkbox should be
>
>  - basic savers
>  - advanced savers
>
> ... The rest should stay as it is.
>
> Basic savers should be:
>
>  - Download
>  - Emergency
>
> The rest should already be categorized as "advanced"
>
> The goal should be, that there are as view as possible solutions visible
> at a time. ... BUT ... all the possibilities should be listed at least
> once.
>
> just some thoughts.
> mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Rizwan Ishak]

>
>
> 1. There is python server not documented see here:
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Easy%20local%20saving%20with%20Python
>

Technically this is documented - in the sense that it is a WebDAV server.
But I get what you are saying. We need to document more and more practical
examples of servers that accept PUT savers. There are several readymade
packages that do this too. For example, in python, try this package using
pip.

https://wsgidav.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

Start the server from any folder containing tiddlywiki and you are set.

There is caddy server for golang. I am sure there are npm packages too.



2. I think at the beginning one should select between single file and sever
> working mode
>

Yeah. But I am not getting into changing the actual documentation now. Just
the way it currently looks.

2. When you select the os and browser your results are some links, those
> links are confusing and I think each should have an instruction or howoto
> for installing the tools.
>

You mean each of the saver methods should have more detailed instructions?
Yeah, ideally each of those links should start from scratch. We could ask
people with experience to submit detailed instructions from scratch for
each of those links, collate them and keep the common instructions use the
same words.


> A very very small comment (ignore for now): the design colors, etc..
> should be compatible with the theme, so why not to use a better landing
> page!
>

There are already efforts underway to do that by some community members. I
am sure they are doing a great job. It is a huge project, taking weeks. I
ll leave them to that and wait patiently to what they come up with.

Ideally the entire TW5 should be redesigned with a modern theme so that we
don't need a landing page at all. Most wikis use their final look as their
landing page too.

However these are big decisions. I am more into making small meaningful
changes that will help new users and fixing some outdated documentation.





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Re: [tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Rizwan Ishak]

>
>
Hi Mat

>
> I think you're 100% on the right path in your reasoning. You have both the
> know-how and the aesthetic sense so please continue to push forward on this
> newcomer-roadblock.
>

Thank you. Will be only glad to contribute. Keep giving your inputs


Minor: The rounded corners in the demo. If you show them to PMario he will
> bring out his shotgun ;-)
>

border-radius property has 97.5% global coverage according to caniuse. Is
there a particular reason this is frowned upon?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Rizwan Ishak]

The idea is to give the user what all can he use depending on his platform,
even if it is a little tough to setup. Ruby Server can be setup with termux
in android. So a ruby developer using windows and Android might want to see
that.

My general idea of saver methods are to classify them to following
categories

1. Browser extensions
2. Servers - Node.js, TiddlyServer, Ruby server, WebDAV server, PHP and so
on.
3. Apps - TiddlyDesktop, Bob, Tiddloid, Quine
4. Cloud savers - Noteself, Git savers, Tiddlyspot..
5. Inbuilt : Download saver, Emergency export.

However, these are only possible in corresponding Getting Started tiddlers.

My idea of this visual change was this principle: Do not scare little
children and new users. Give them something they know - like their OS and
their browser. This will give them a sense of control.

We will discuss the textual changes to documentation in an entirely
different thread or GitHub.


On Wed, 6 May 2020, 15:39 bimlas,  wrote:

> Categorization can sometimes be misleading: for example, while Ruby Saver
> appears among Android’s choices, you don’t really have to run it on
> Android. Instead of a single file / Node.js, maybe we should make some
> distinction like "offline", "online and offline", "online only" (such as
> TiddlySpot).
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

[Rizwan Ishak]

Yeah. That is something I wanted too. I thought about it like -

With Tiddlywiki you can choose to save your notes in one of the following.
1. All your notes in a single HTML file which you can carry and  open in
any browser
2. Each of your notes in a separate text file with embedded metadata which
you can serve using a Node.js server.

On Wed, 6 May 2020, 15:33 bimlas,  wrote:

> I really like the idea because it makes it clearer to beginners what to
> choose from. I would add one option (although it depends on the tags given
> to tiddlers of the savers): a distinction should be made between the single
> file and Node.js savers.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/submission/4939b3e2-689c-4d72-8318-1bb2a7d9570d

On Wed, 6 May 2020, 00:22 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:

> Compilation is done using golang compiler itself. The installer is created
> with NSIS - another open source software which is the most commonly used
> install packager.
>
>
> As you yourself pointed out, the timimi.exe itself has been cleared by all
> major security softwares. If NSIS was manipulating timimi.exe in any way,
> the one that should be detected is the timimi.exe itself, right?
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020, 00:10 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem isn't the source code -- it's the compilation to source code
>> and what happens between compilation and posting.
>>
>> I used VirusTotal to look at the executable. VirusTotal scans files using
>> more than 70 AV engines! Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Windows defender is
>> one of them. For the main package, 5 of 73 engines claimed there was a
>> problem. Four of the engines I've never heard of, but one was McAfee-GW,
>> which may out of date. For timimi.exe, only one obscure engine reported a
>> problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Python was replaced by golang - because python would require people to
>>> install python-runtime in their systems - python3 to be specific. That
>>> version - version 1 is still available in GitHub and will work alongside
>>> its corresponding version of extension. Or do you mean ask people to
>>> install golang and run the whole thing as a script? Sure those who want
>>> that can do that - install golang runtime (0.5GB) and set the timimi.json
>>> to point to that by `go run ./timimi.go`
>>>
>>> Here are simple facts .
>>> You want to ensure that there is no security issues - scan it with
>>> multiple security software. Scan it with Kaspersky, scan it with ESET, scan
>>> it with Norton, scan it with clamwin. If you are still not satisfied - it
>>> is an opensource software with the entire code on GitHub. You can download
>>> it, read line by line and compile it. Install golang, open the terminal,
>>> run `cd timimi/host && go build`.
>>>
>>> @Mark - Can you please share your threat-definition version? I am
>>> checking which one is creating the issue.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Riz
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Compilation is done using golang compiler itself. The installer is created
with NSIS - another open source software which is the most commonly used
install packager.


As you yourself pointed out, the timimi.exe itself has been cleared by all
major security softwares. If NSIS was manipulating timimi.exe in any way,
the one that should be detected is the timimi.exe itself, right?

Sincerely,
Riz



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tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The problem isn't the source code -- it's the compilation to source code
> and what happens between compilation and posting.
>
> I used VirusTotal to look at the executable. VirusTotal scans files using
> more than 70 AV engines! Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Windows defender is
> one of them. For the main package, 5 of 73 engines claimed there was a
> problem. Four of the engines I've never heard of, but one was McAfee-GW,
> which may out of date. For timimi.exe, only one obscure engine reported a
> problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Python was replaced by golang - because python would require people to
>> install python-runtime in their systems - python3 to be specific. That
>> version - version 1 is still available in GitHub and will work alongside
>> its corresponding version of extension. Or do you mean ask people to
>> install golang and run the whole thing as a script? Sure those who want
>> that can do that - install golang runtime (0.5GB) and set the timimi.json
>> to point to that by `go run ./timimi.go`
>>
>> Here are simple facts .
>> You want to ensure that there is no security issues - scan it with
>> multiple security software. Scan it with Kaspersky, scan it with ESET, scan
>> it with Norton, scan it with clamwin. If you are still not satisfied - it
>> is an opensource software with the entire code on GitHub. You can download
>> it, read line by line and compile it. Install golang, open the terminal,
>> run `cd timimi/host && go build`.
>>
>> @Mark - Can you please share your threat-definition version? I am
>> checking which one is creating the issue.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

[Rizwan Ishak]

@Saq. My thought was - if we turn children to just paragraphs, won't we
lose all the metadata associated with it?

On Tue, 5 May 2020, 16:30 Saq Imtiaz,  wrote:

> @Riz: the number of nested children seems unlimited. In Roam the smallest
> semantic unit seems to be a bullet point, which is member of the childrens
> array in the JSON.
>
> I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in
> terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels
> semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5
> pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent
> tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the
> bullet points.
>
> The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points,
> paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then
> I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis...
>
> The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags,
> I think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we
> really be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume
> that the links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper
> representation for this?
>
> @yoni I understand your use case and requirements. My approach is to start
> off step wise and try to put something together that would be useful to
> others wanting to import from Roam as well. That may mean that there wont
> be one "plugin" that does what you need, but rather a sequence of
> steps/plugins working together.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:35:43 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>
>> I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate
>> tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic
>> unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point?
>>
>> JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So if
>> the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a
>> generalized importer much easier.
>>
>> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind,  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq
>>>
>>> The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a
>>> page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more
>>> like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a
>>> paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted lists).
>>>
>>> I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own
>>> use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in case
>>> you think its a broad enough problem..
>>>
>>> Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag..
>>> So for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note that has 4 different
>>> internal links. For my purposes, the two links in the top line operate as
>>> tags. I use these tags to help me locate pages that I've tagged as
>>> "evergreen notes" and "ready for publish".
>>>
>>> The 2 links near the bottom of the page are simple internal links to
>>> cross reference other posts. Roam doesn't know the difference between all
>>> of these links, I just use them in such a way that the ones on top are
>>> "tags" for my purposes.
>>>
>>> Ideally, I'd want the import to ignore the two tags at the top. They are
>>> internal references that aren't needed in TW. I suppose IF you were to
>>> tackle this in your plugin, you could have a setting to ignore hashtag
>>> items. Or perhaps you could stipulate that should a user want to have
>>> certain lines ignored they should precede that line of text with "meta:" or
>>> something to that effect..
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Annotation 2020-05-05 095517.png]
>>>
>>> Final point, and again this might be my personal problem and not
>>> applicable to your plugin, but my JSON file has 1000 plus pages and I need
>>> a way to only import those pages that have certain tags (#ready for
>>> publish).. There is a probably some tool somewhere that would allow me to
>>> do this directly to the JSON file, but perhaps its something you want to
>>> consider for your plugin.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

[Rizwan Ishak]

I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate
tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic
unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point?

JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So if
the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a
generalized importer much easier.

On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind,  wrote:

> Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq
>
> The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a
> page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more
> like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a
> paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted lists).
>
> I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own
> use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in case
> you think its a broad enough problem..
>
> Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag.. So
> for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note that has 4 different
> internal links. For my purposes, the two links in the top line operate as
> tags. I use these tags to help me locate pages that I've tagged as
> "evergreen notes" and "ready for publish".
>
> The 2 links near the bottom of the page are simple internal links to cross
> reference other posts. Roam doesn't know the difference between all of
> these links, I just use them in such a way that the ones on top are "tags"
> for my purposes.
>
> Ideally, I'd want the import to ignore the two tags at the top. They are
> internal references that aren't needed in TW. I suppose IF you were to
> tackle this in your plugin, you could have a setting to ignore hashtag
> items. Or perhaps you could stipulate that should a user want to have
> certain lines ignored they should precede that line of text with "meta:" or
> something to that effect..
>
>
> [image: Annotation 2020-05-05 095517.png]
>
> Final point, and again this might be my personal problem and not
> applicable to your plugin, but my JSON file has 1000 plus pages and I need
> a way to only import those pages that have certain tags (#ready for
> publish).. There is a probably some tool somewhere that would allow me to
> do this directly to the JSON file, but perhaps its something you want to
> consider for your plugin.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Checkbox widget error with field is set as "list"

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Yeah, same here

On Tue, 5 May 2020, 03:03 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I don't get an error message, but the checkbox never binds to the field,
> and you can never flip the field away from "open".
>
> The same thing happens if you use "tags".
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:14:21 PM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Just checking if I am the only one with this error
>>
>> Steps to reproduce
>>
>> Download an empty tiddlywiki
>> Create a new tiddler
>> Paste the following
>>
>> <$checkbox field="list" checked="open" unchecked="closed"
>> default="closed"> Is it open?
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Riz
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

I got in touch with complaint center. They gave 2 reasons

1. I have not signed the exe with a certification authority
2. It modifies browser behaviour.

For the next update, I ll see if I can sign it with a certificate and
publish to Microsoft App store. You guys can always scan the exe file with
any popular security softwares. The executable is located in
Appdata/Roaming/Timimi-Firefox or Timimi-Chrome

Here is the link to Kaspersky online scanner

https://opentip.kaspersky.com/

You can upload the file here and they will scan it for you.

Sincerely,
Riz



On Tue, 5 May 2020, 00:29 TAV,  wrote:

> my hash is 40600b91b1b2d6525921622ab7992fb1 for the file
> timimi-2-1-1-Windows-Firefox.exe downloaded from
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/releases
>
> Doesn't look like there's anything wrong tbh
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 8:40:35 PM UTC+7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> The first thing to do is to find out if your executable has been tampered
>> with. When I extract the executable timimi.exe on linux, I get the
>> following MD5 hash
>>
>> ca8399d02e538ca5d2fcc5e553f2779b
>>
>> There are online MD5 generators in case you don't have one on your system.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

@Anders: Thank you.


On Mon, 4 May 2020, 17:12 Anders Jonsson, 
wrote:

> Mine is 1.313.2829.0, created 2020-05-03, 10:46 CEST.
>
> It has been updated AFTER my executables got erased, and this version has
> not ”complained”...
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Whoa!

I can assure you that is a false alarm. The entire codebase of Timimi is on
GitHub. Anybody can install golang and compile it. Also please run any
other antivirus scans against timimi.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 07:11 TAV,  wrote:

>  Weird, I've been using it with no issue, suddenly this morning it is
> flagged as trojan by Windows Security?
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Re: [tw5] Re: is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Works!!
Mind-effing-blown

Thanks Mark

Sincerely
Riz

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 06:28 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> \define filt-alltags()
> <$vars tag1="tag[" tag2="]" lb="[" rb="]">
> <$set filter=
> "[all[current]tags[]addprefixaddsuffix]+[join[]addprefixaddsuffix]"
> name="filt" select=0>
> <$text text=<>/>
> 
> 
> \end
>
> <$wikify text=<> name="wiked">
> <$list filter=<>/>
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 3:38:14 PM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Say myfield contains a list of 5 titles - I want to find tiddlers tagged
>> by all of them in combination
>>
>> [enlist{!!list}tagging[]]
>>
>> This code would list all tiddlers tagged by at least one of them -
>> tag[title1] or tag[title2] and so on.
>> I want to find tag[title1] AND tag[title2] AND tag[title3] and so on
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Rizwan Ishak]

<$list filter="[contains:tags{!!tags}]"> tried this without success. Failed
when there are more than one tag

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:45 TonyM,  wrote:

> Post script, Perhaps use https://tiddlywiki.com/#contains%20Operator to
> see if one tag field contains the tag in the other tag field.
>
>
> On Monday, 4 May 2020 10:13:35 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Riz,
>>
>> That is more precise. Thanks
>>
>> *Unfortunatly I must work on something else, I will leave you with the
>> following for now and return later*
>>
>> One would think you could compare tag fields, however the tags may be in
>> a different order.
>>
>> So you want to "iterate" the tags field and test each tag exists in the
>> target tiddler, is it OK if an additional field is in the target?.
>>
>>
>>- [enlist{!!tags}] will iterate all tags in the current tiddler
>>- [enlist{!!list}] will iterate all titles in the list field in the
>>current tiddler, ie items tagged by current Tiddler (if used and the order
>>was altered)
>>- I think you may need to nest filters or wistwidgets.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 09:59:01 UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Another way to convey my problem is
>>>
>>> How will you find all tiddlers which carry the same set of tags
>>> <> carries?
>>>
>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:22 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought
>>>>
>>>> <$list filter="[get[tags]match{!!list}]"/>
>>>>
>>>> would work. Unfortunately no.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:11 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We don't know beforehand what titles are there in the list field or
>>>>> how many.
>>>>>
>>>>> So tag[title1]tag[title2]...won't work.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:08 TonyM,  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will just add for clarity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]]
>>>>>> Is in effect three (3) Runs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To test these its easier to say
>>>>>> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]] +[get[fieldname]match[yes]]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 09:31:52 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Riz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can say [enlist{!!list}] generates the tiddlers you want to test
>>>>>>> if they have particular tags
>>>>>>> This is a run, if you want to test each item in that run you either
>>>>>>> append more filters or use a +[[run]] to apply to each item
>>>>>>> So the following should be what you are looking for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [enlist{!!list}tag[title1]tag[title3]tag[title3]]
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> [enlist{!!list}] +[tag[tag1]] +[tag[tag2]] +[tag[tag3]]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Common mistake is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [enlist{!!list}] [tag[tag1]] [tag[tag2]] [tag[tag3]]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This last one is 4 seperate runs that contribute to the output
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 08:38:14 UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Say myfield contains a list of 5 titles - I want to find tiddlers
>>>>>>>> tagged by all of them in combination
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [enlist{!!list}tagging[]]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This code would list all tiddlers tagged by at least one of them -
>>>>>>>> tag[title1] or tag[title2] and so on.
>>>>>>>> I want to find tag[title1] AND tag[title2] AND tag[title3] and so on
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Another way to convey my problem is

How will you find all tiddlers which carry the same set of tags
<> carries?

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:22 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:

> I thought
>
> <$list filter="[get[tags]match{!!list}]"/>
>
> would work. Unfortunately no.
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:11 Rizwan Ishak, 
> wrote:
>
>> We don't know beforehand what titles are there in the list field or how
>> many.
>>
>> So tag[title1]tag[title2]...won't work.
>>
>> On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:08 TonyM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I will just add for clarity
>>>
>>> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]]
>>> Is in effect three (3) Runs
>>>
>>> To test these its easier to say
>>> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]] +[get[fieldname]match[yes]]
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 09:31:52 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Riz
>>>>
>>>> We can say [enlist{!!list}] generates the tiddlers you want to test if
>>>> they have particular tags
>>>> This is a run, if you want to test each item in that run you either
>>>> append more filters or use a +[[run]] to apply to each item
>>>> So the following should be what you are looking for
>>>>
>>>> [enlist{!!list}tag[title1]tag[title3]tag[title3]]
>>>> or
>>>> [enlist{!!list}] +[tag[tag1]] +[tag[tag2]] +[tag[tag3]]
>>>>
>>>> A Common mistake is
>>>>
>>>> [enlist{!!list}] [tag[tag1]] [tag[tag2]] [tag[tag3]]
>>>>
>>>> This last one is 4 seperate runs that contribute to the output
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 08:38:14 UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Say myfield contains a list of 5 titles - I want to find tiddlers
>>>>> tagged by all of them in combination
>>>>>
>>>>> [enlist{!!list}tagging[]]
>>>>>
>>>>> This code would list all tiddlers tagged by at least one of them -
>>>>> tag[title1] or tag[title2] and so on.
>>>>> I want to find tag[title1] AND tag[title2] AND tag[title3] and so on
>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Rizwan Ishak]

I thought

<$list filter="[get[tags]match{!!list}]"/>

would work. Unfortunately no.

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:11 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:

> We don't know beforehand what titles are there in the list field or how
> many.
>
> So tag[title1]tag[title2]...won't work.
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:08 TonyM,  wrote:
>
>> I will just add for clarity
>>
>> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]]
>> Is in effect three (3) Runs
>>
>> To test these its easier to say
>> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]] +[get[fieldname]match[yes]]
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 09:31:52 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Riz
>>>
>>> We can say [enlist{!!list}] generates the tiddlers you want to test if
>>> they have particular tags
>>> This is a run, if you want to test each item in that run you either
>>> append more filters or use a +[[run]] to apply to each item
>>> So the following should be what you are looking for
>>>
>>> [enlist{!!list}tag[title1]tag[title3]tag[title3]]
>>> or
>>> [enlist{!!list}] +[tag[tag1]] +[tag[tag2]] +[tag[tag3]]
>>>
>>> A Common mistake is
>>>
>>> [enlist{!!list}] [tag[tag1]] [tag[tag2]] [tag[tag3]]
>>>
>>> This last one is 4 seperate runs that contribute to the output
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 08:38:14 UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Say myfield contains a list of 5 titles - I want to find tiddlers
>>>> tagged by all of them in combination
>>>>
>>>> [enlist{!!list}tagging[]]
>>>>
>>>> This code would list all tiddlers tagged by at least one of them -
>>>> tag[title1] or tag[title2] and so on.
>>>> I want to find tag[title1] AND tag[title2] AND tag[title3] and so on
>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Rizwan Ishak]

We don't know beforehand what titles are there in the list field or how
many.

So tag[title1]tag[title2]...won't work.

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 05:08 TonyM,  wrote:

> I will just add for clarity
>
> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]]
> Is in effect three (3) Runs
>
> To test these its easier to say
> [[tiddler1]] [[tiddler2]] [[tiddler3]] +[get[fieldname]match[yes]]
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, 4 May 2020 09:31:52 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Riz
>>
>> We can say [enlist{!!list}] generates the tiddlers you want to test if
>> they have particular tags
>> This is a run, if you want to test each item in that run you either
>> append more filters or use a +[[run]] to apply to each item
>> So the following should be what you are looking for
>>
>> [enlist{!!list}tag[title1]tag[title3]tag[title3]]
>> or
>> [enlist{!!list}] +[tag[tag1]] +[tag[tag2]] +[tag[tag3]]
>>
>> A Common mistake is
>>
>> [enlist{!!list}] [tag[tag1]] [tag[tag2]] [tag[tag3]]
>>
>> This last one is 4 seperate runs that contribute to the output
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 4 May 2020 08:38:14 UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Say myfield contains a list of 5 titles - I want to find tiddlers tagged
>>> by all of them in combination
>>>
>>> [enlist{!!list}tagging[]]
>>>
>>> This code would list all tiddlers tagged by at least one of them -
>>> tag[title1] or tag[title2] and so on.
>>> I want to find tag[title1] AND tag[title2] AND tag[title3] and so on
>>>
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Re: [tw5] is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Rizwan Ishak]

The following PR had a matches operater doing what I am talking about.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3003/files

Has there been any developments regarding the same? I guess the current
matches operater is not the same.

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 04:50 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:

> Yes
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2020, 04:50 TonyM,  wrote:
>
>> Riz
>> Perhaps also would be a better word than and if I understand you?
>>
>> tony
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Re: [tw5] is there an "AND" version of tagging operator?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Yes

On Mon, 4 May 2020, 04:50 TonyM,  wrote:

> Riz
> Perhaps also would be a better word than and if I understand you?
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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Rizwan Ishak]

I was following the save methods listing as is. I did consider separating
it out as Browser independent methods. But that would receive nearly zero
attention from a normal new user. This way at least he knows he has more
options.

Finally, about the current saver listing. For a normal new user - how do we
assume he/she want to filter the saving options? He knows he is in windows
OS, and he uses Firefox mainly. So he is interested in the intersection of
these options. What all can he use in windows AND Firefox? At present you
can only filter by one criterion. Users should be able to add multiple
criteria to the filter.

Anyone has a model logic to suggest how to achieve something like - tagged
by everything in the list field?



On Mon, 4 May 2020, 03:39 Sylvain Naudin,  wrote:

> Hi Riz,
>
> I'm not sure about the Servers and Cloud savers section about the
> possibilities in Firefox. Since this applies to any browser, I won't refer
> to it in detail here.
> (just as I find that it shouldn't be the case today looking at the tiles
> again, and that it should be referenced elsewhere).
>
> Otherwise I think it's a great introduction to start with :)
>
> And nice to see you again among us!
>
> Cheers,
> Sylvain
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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Rizwan Ishak]

Oh, sorry about that. I have made a pull request to that effect a couple of
days ago. So in my fork of tiddlywiki.com, it the tiddler is already
renamed. Jeremy has reviewed the PR and will merge it soon. So that will be
ok.


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> Riz,
>
> Timimi link does not work. You have written [[Timimi|Timimi: WebExtension
> and Native Host by Riz]], but the tiddler at tw.com is called: "Timimi"
> Extension and executable by Riz. I might be that that tiddler should also
> be corrected then.
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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Rizwan Ishak]

Thank you Mohammad. If you have any objections to the points raised or
other suggestions, please let me know.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Sun, 3 May 2020, 20:38 Mohammad,  wrote:

> I absolutely support your idea Riz!
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:17:57 AM UTC+4:30, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about the other post. It seems google groups is messing with me
>> today.
>>
>>
>> So, I made some changes to documentation changes and pushed them already.
>> Some others, I felt like I would need to consult the community.
>>
>> Few things are very much in need of updates.
>>
>> Major Points
>>
>> 1. Despite tiddlyfox disappearing entirely from Firefox addon store, it
>> is still documented as one of the main saving mechanisms for Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Firefox
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Android
>>
>> Other saving methods are definitely documented. However the space and
>> prominence given to TiddlyFox gives a false idea that it is somehow still
>> relevant.
>>
>> Please note: I have edited and pushed changes regarding Termux and
>> replaced AndTidwiki with Tiddloid. I felt like TiddlyFox warrants more
>> discussion and approval owing to its community nature.
>>
>> 2. What is the actual point of "Getting started" tiddlers? All but the
>> main getting started tiddlers are way outdated and provides false
>> information. I already pointed out the "Getting started Firefox" and
>> "Getting started Android" issues. Now look at "Getting started - Chrome"
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted%20-%20Chrome
>>
>> The first sentence says only HTML fallback mechanism works in Chrome.
>> This is false info and other saver mechanisms are documented in TW5 itself.
>>
>> The only "Getting started" Tiddler that makes a reasonable sense is
>> "Getting started Node JS". Delete the rest so that there is one source of
>> truth to maintain.
>>
>> 3. There should be a feature comparison table between the multitude of
>> saving options available. Throwing tons of options at a user will work
>> better if the user knows what is the difference between them.
>>
>>
>> 4. Most of the examples of filters in TW5 uses "sort". sortan is more
>> advanced and natural with respect to non-technical users. However it is
>> hard to find because user have to specifically search for it. So much so
>> that even experienced TW5 users forgot about its existence. I suggest we
>> change all filter examples from sort to sortan.
>>
>> Need for reorganisation
>>
>> 5. I know "Getting started" is one of the default tiddlers. However in
>> the TOC organization, it appears in "Working with Tiddlywiki". For a newbie
>> who accidentally closed the Getting started tiddler, one of the first
>> places he will look in will be Table of contents. I say we retag the
>> "Getting started" with HelloThere and push it to the top.
>>
>> 6. Is there a definite criteria for matters to be tagged. This is my
>> understanding from the main site
>>
>> - HelloThere introduces and explains the philosophical aspects of
>> tiddlywiki
>> - "Working with Tiddlywiki" explains basic tasks.
>> - "Learning" explains more advanced tasks
>> - Customisation should ideally involve things you can do regarding
>> styles, things you can achieve with CSS, color palettes.
>>
>> Points below is based on this understanding.
>>
>> 7. "Working with Tiddlywiki" should come before "Learning"? Because it is
>> much more basic.
>>
>>
>> 8. "Philosophy of tiddlers" should be under "HelloThere" with all other
>> explanations - not under learning
>>
>> 9. https://tiddlywiki.com/#TaskManagementExampleDraggableTemplate does
>> not require "Learning" tag
>>
>> 10. Suggested title changes
>>   "How to hide the author's and other fields with CSS" to "How to hide
>> author/date/other parts of viewtemplate with CSS"
>>   "Simple ways to write protect tiddlers" to "How to write protect
>> tiddlers"
>>
>> 11. Export tiddlers, Adopt a title policy - these two should be under
>> "Working with Tiddlywiki" because these are basic things and one of the
>> first things people might look for.
>>
>> 12. "How to Customize TiddlyDesktop" should be under Customisation
>>
>> 13. https://tiddlywiki.com/#Scalability is a claim. There should be
>> links to specific instances of such Wikis IMO.
>>
>> 14. There is a need for rearranging Learning and Working with Tiddlywiki.
>> Things like "Task Management example" and is variations should be together
>> and they should also link to community resources that implemented complex
>> task management systems.
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

 Now that is a reply I loved to hear.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Sun, 3 May 2020, 18:12 IlyaIlya,  wrote:

> Well I guess your install and forget philosophy is working then
>
> I totally forgot if I ever had to install an exe with Timimi lol
>
> I just thought it's a standalone firefox extension that magically saves
> any tiddlywiki file to a chosen backup folder
>
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> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 7:14:25 PM UTC+7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Timimi always had a native host. There are no versions of Timimi without
>> native host.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Timimi always had a native host. There are no versions of Timimi without
native host.



On Sun, 3 May 2020, 17:19 IlyaIlya,  wrote:

> I was using Timimi for firefox and it worked fine, now it no longer saves
> backup versions and only overwrite on the file itself.
>
>
> So I need to install the *timimi-2-1-1-Windows-Firefox.exe* ?
>
>
> Before it was an extension on Firefox that could save backups into a
> folder of my computer, now as a stand alone firefox extension it has less
> functionality?
>
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 8:37:06 PM UTC+7, Riz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> To the existing users of Timimi in Firefox:
>>
>> I have pushed new update to firefox addon store. If you have enabled
>> auto-update of addons, you must be receiving notifications in your browser
>> any moment now or have already received. Anyway, please update to latest
>> version and also update the native host. Detailed installation instructions
>> are available here:
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/#Installing%20Timimi
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Only consideration you should have is whether the overwriting of each
others backup is ok with you. Otherwise whatever suits you. Timimi is not
bothered whether each browser has a separate location or same. It is
designed to remove any restrictions we have on saving.

Sincerely
Riz


On Sun, 3 May 2020, 05:09 TonyM,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> Just testing and setting backup paths etc... in Chrome now along with my
> existing FireFox usage. Its very cool and efficient thanks a lot.
>
> I have set the tower of Hanoi backups to the same location in both
> browsers. Is this advisable or should I use different backup folders?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, 27 April 2020 23:37:06 UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Hello there,
>>
>> Hope all you are doing well and safe in these testing times.
>>
>> Yes, it has been a year since I promised it but finally Timimi has
>> extended its support to *Chrome, Chromium and Opera in addition to
>> Firefox*. In addition, there is support for notifications in case of
>> save failures, and a new backup strategy called "First In First Out".
>>
>> For those of you who don't know:
>>
>> Timimi is a browser extension using native messaging API that enables you
>> to save standalone tiddlywiki files - both tiddlywiki-5 as well as
>> tiddlywiki-classic - anywhere under your home directory. Timimi also
>> facilitates backing up of tiddlywiki files with support for 4 different
>> backup strategies. As of now timimi is available for Firefox, Chrome,
>> Chromium and Opera.
>>
>> To know more and installation instructions, please see:
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/
>>
>> To the existing users of Timimi in Firefox:
>>
>> I have pushed new update to firefox addon store. If you have enabled
>> auto-update of addons, you must be receiving notifications in your browser
>> any moment now or have already received. Anyway, please update to latest
>> version and also update the native host. Detailed installation instructions
>> are available here:
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/#Installing%20Timimi
>>
>> Due to extensive difficulties in porting action-launch-script plugin
>> support across platforms, the new timimi version is temporarily disabling
>> the same. However it is my product and I stand behind the same. So if any
>> of you has existing workflows that depended on the same, I would oblige
>> myself to create personalised versions of plugin as well as backend. Please
>> let me know or open an issue here: https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi
>>
>>
>> @Jeremy: If you could pin this for a couple of days to ensure existing
>> users will be notified of the update, that would be wonderful.
>>
>> Let me know your feedback. Plant more trees.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Riz
>>
>> PS: Fair warning. There are 3 OSes, 4 browsers in each, 4 backup
>> strategies. So that in itself calls for 48 different tests, not to mention
>> countless edge cases. I have build tests for a lot of cases, but not all of
>> them. So test it out with a couple of empty wikis before working on your
>> important projects
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Ok. I will add them to documentation for others. Hope you enjoy Timimi

On Sun, 3 May 2020, 04:10 Alfonso Arciniega,  wrote:

> Hi Riz,
>
> Finally, after following the instructions you gave to JW, I managed to
> install Timimi on Mac OS (both Catalina and previous High Sierra) on
> Firefox 75.0 and Chrome 81.0.4+, 64-bit.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alfonso
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 1:33:11 PM UTC-6, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Please note that for chrome you have to specifically allow access to
>> local files. As pointed out above, you can do that as follows
>>
>> In your chrome open the Menu (top-right 3 dots) > More tools >
>> Extensions > Timimi > Details and check the "Allow access to file URLs"
>> option
>>
>> On Sunday, 3 May 2020 00:34:48 UTC+5:30, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>>
>>> It loaded!
>>>
>>> Last login: Sat May  2 13:56:35 on ttys001
>>>
>>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 ~ % cd ~/Downloads
>>>
>>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % chmod +x ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>>>
>>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads % ./timimi-2-1-1-Mac
>>>
>>> Verifying archive integrity...  100%   MD5 checksums are OK. All good.
>>>
>>> Uncompressing   100%
>>>
>>> Hello There
>>>
>>> Starting Timimi Installation
>>>
>>>
>>> ✔ google-chrome
>>>
>>> Created host directory
>>>
>>> Created host manifest: /Users/jwh/Library/Application
>>> Support/Google/Chrome/NativeMessagingHosts/timimi.json
>>>
>>> Created host executable: /Users/jwh/Library/Application
>>> Support/timimi/timimi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Installation finished without errors.
>>>
>>> Have a great day!!
>>>
>>> jwh@Jeffreys-MBP-2 Downloads %
>>>
>>>
>>> Now to test it - thank you so much, Riz
>>>
>>>
>>> JWHoneycutt
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

It probably got installed. May be the installer quit right away. Did you
try saving from chromium?

On Sat, 2 May 2020, 21:40 Birthe C,  wrote:

> No errors shown, sorry. I ran the installer and chose the browser and then
> nothing happened.
> You describe running the installer by double clicking. I am not able to do
> that.
>
> Birthe
>
> lørdag den 2. maj 2020 kl. 18.02.29 UTC+2 skrev Riz:
>>
>> What errors did you get for chromium install?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

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What errors did you get for chromium install?

On Sat, 2 May 2020, 21:04 Birthe C,  wrote:

> I am really not good at explaining. I am using Linux Mint and use 2
> browsers. Firefox and Chromium. I had no problem installing timimi to
> Firefox, it works as expected. Chromium is another matter. I got the
> extension, but was not able to install the download.
>
> Not sure how to go about it.
>
> Birthe
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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Rizwan Ishak]

I thought of suggesting a poll. Then I felt a poll would be adversarial and
need not accurately reflect the usefulness of the method to a particular
user, whether or not it meets his demands and needs etc. So a feature table
might help. If needed, we can include the GitHub stars info - although it
is in no way any measure of popularity because
a. Many users of this community might not have a GitHub account
b. Even those who have GitHub account use stars as a way of bookmarking.

On Sat, 2 May 2020, 20:32 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:

> Oh no, I didn't mean deleting all other save methods. Getting Started
> tiddlers and save method tiddlers are separate.
>
> In the main Getting Started tiddler all the save methods are listed. Now
> if you go to tiddlywiki.com and search the words "Getting Started", you
> can see that there are multiple other "Getting Started" tiddlers. Those
> tiddlers contain information that is badly outdated.
>
> My suggestion is to keep 2 tiddlers : Main Getting Started tiddler - which
> lists all save methods. Then Getting Started - Node tiddler, which explains
> how to get up and running with Node.js
>
> On Sat, 2 May 2020, 20:24 Michael Durland, 
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 2:47:57 PM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> The only "Getting started" Tiddler that makes a reasonable sense is
>>> "Getting started Node JS". Delete the rest so that there is one source of
>>> truth to maintain.
>>>
>>
>> I hope you don't mean deleting all the other Save method tiddlers from
>> the GettingStarted page? Yes, some are obsolete/unsupported at this time,
>> but many are still working/active, and users need to know the options. The
>> Node server is certainly not the only "one source of truth" for saving
>> options. Perhaps focus on removing only the truly dead ones, rather than
>> "Delete the rest."
>>
>> On a related note, it would be interesting to see a poll with results as
>> to what Save methods are ranked as the most popular. I'm currently using
>> TiddlyDrive, as it has been the easiest to setup for me so far to support
>> sharing/syncing my wiki across two Windows 10 computers and my Android
>> phone. I don't see how the locally-run Node server could handle that use
>> case?
>>
>> Michael
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Now that we are here and major bugs are squished, I believe the next bottle
neck is Installers. I realize that many users are finding it difficult to
install the native host especially in Linux and Mac. I will probably work
on packaging it to a deb file for Ubuntu/Mint/Debian as well as make it
available in AUR for Arch Linux family. Anyone with experience in creating
graphical Installers in Mac, can you point me towards a tutorial using a
free/open source software?

On Sat, 2 May 2020, 19:31 Riz,  wrote:

> Thank you Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Rizwan Ishak]

Oh no, I didn't mean deleting all other save methods. Getting Started
tiddlers and save method tiddlers are separate.

In the main Getting Started tiddler all the save methods are listed. Now if
you go to tiddlywiki.com and search the words "Getting Started", you can
see that there are multiple other "Getting Started" tiddlers. Those
tiddlers contain information that is badly outdated.

My suggestion is to keep 2 tiddlers : Main Getting Started tiddler - which
lists all save methods. Then Getting Started - Node tiddler, which explains
how to get up and running with Node.js

On Sat, 2 May 2020, 20:24 Michael Durland,  wrote:

> On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 2:47:57 PM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> The only "Getting started" Tiddler that makes a reasonable sense is
>> "Getting started Node JS". Delete the rest so that there is one source of
>> truth to maintain.
>>
>
> I hope you don't mean deleting all the other Save method tiddlers from the
> GettingStarted page? Yes, some are obsolete/unsupported at this time, but
> many are still working/active, and users need to know the options. The Node
> server is certainly not the only "one source of truth" for saving options.
> Perhaps focus on removing only the truly dead ones, rather than "Delete the
> rest."
>
> On a related note, it would be interesting to see a poll with results as
> to what Save methods are ranked as the most popular. I'm currently using
> TiddlyDrive, as it has been the easiest to setup for me so far to support
> sharing/syncing my wiki across two Windows 10 computers and my Android
> phone. I don't see how the locally-run Node server could handle that use
> case?
>
> Michael
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Re: [tw5] Re: List of changes proposed for documentation

[Rizwan Ishak]

I know. Is there much activity there. I am up for reviving it if you are.

On Sat, 2 May 2020, 18:58 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
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> There is also a documentation group.
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 5:16:33 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> This meta discussion is perhaps better suited in the dev group? Anyway:
>>
>> Your points make full sense.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 4. Most of the examples of filters in TW5 uses "sort". sortan is more
>>> advanced and natural with respect to non-technical users. However it is
>>> hard to find because user have to specifically search for it. So much so
>>> that even experienced TW5 users forgot about its existence. I suggest we
>>> change all filter examples from sort to sortan.
>>>
>>
>> Instead, I'd suggest "See also" sections.
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Thank you for confirming. Hope you enjoy timimi

On Sat, 2 May 2020, 16:59 Anders Jonsson, 
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> Ummm, sorry about all this: thought I had properly reinstalled both
> extension and backend before posting...
>
> The timimi executables were missing from both Timimi-Firefox and
> Timimi-Chrome folders. After reinstalling backend again, executables now
> are where they should be, and everything is working perfectly, as expected.
>
> //Anders
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 12:57:26 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>
>> That is really worrying.
>>
>> Can you please ensure the following things
>>
>> - In your home folder there will be an APPDATA folder. Open it and look
>> for Timimi-Firefox folder. Inside the folder, there should be a timimi
>> executable and timimi.json. Please post the content of timimi.json here
>>
>> - Open regedit (Type regedit in the startmenu search area). Then expand
>> the following keys HKCU\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\NativeMessagingHosts\timimi".
>> Please tell me what is the value shown for that key. The ideal value should
>> be path to your timimi.json
>>
>> - If either of these is missing, can you please reinstall the backend?
>> ​
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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Is this after today's upgrade? Or has it been so at 2.1.1 also?11

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> @Riz
>
> Hi...
>
> Not sure if there is a problem with Timimi 2.1.3 or if I (by mysterious
> accident) have managed to change something else that is relevant for TW
> saving...
> Earlier versions of Timimi has worked perfectly for me. Today I upgraded
> to the 2.1.3 version, and saving has stopped working...
>
> I'm on Windows 10. In Firefox (v75.0) I get the message "Timimi save
> FAILED Error: Attempt to postMessage on disconnected port". In Chrome
> (v81.0) it seems as if saving is successful, but when reopening a "saved"
> TW5 file changes are not there.
>
> Confused but hopeful
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Re: [tw5] Re: Conference announcement: Collaboration on Google Groups

[Rizwan Ishak]

1. As Tony pointed out: No upvoting mechanism. Lot of good posts doesn't 
get attention because the only way for people to show approval is by 
comments. I am sure there are a lot of lurkers in this forum, given the 
number of its members and the fact that all we usually see is some regulars 
& few newbies with questions.
2. Upvoting also helps to identify the top posts by sorting. Most commented 
post is not always the best post.
3. The Google forum mechanism of bringing to top whichever is commented 
last is a pitfall. In this very forum this feature is exploited by few to 
litter the top slots with worthless posts. If a post should reach the top, 
it should be because the community decided that it should have their votes, 
not because some over-enthusiastic guy is willing to shamelessly necrobump 
it over and over again.
4. If a particular user is not already participating in a thread, it is 
hard to notify him. An ideal platform for collaboration should notify a 
user when his name is mentioned.

5. Also lack of a wiki in the forum.
6. This is the later half of 2010s. Unlike the 90s, people consume most of 
their content via mobile phones. And yet, google forums does not have an 
app for Android or iPhone. The mobile version of the forum is a joke. It 
doesn't let you see the comments in the tree style, subscribe to a topic, 
or even edit the comments properly.


Sincerely,
Riz

On 30 September 2019 12:41:55 PM Watt  wrote:

Thanks Tony, you've given me an excuse to go over the original post again. 
Here's 'the plan';


Stage 1 - (this thread) - Submissions close Wednesday 2nd October.
Collect ideas, thoughts, problems, experiences, anything to do with 
collaboration on google groups. No discussion at stage 1.


Stage 2 - (new thread) - Submissions close Wednesday 9th October.
Collate responses in the form of a survey questionnaire - invite completion 
but no discussion at stage 2.


Stage 3 - (new thread) - Friday 18th October.
Based on 1 and 2 publish a 'Conference Agenda' and invite 'attendence' and 
discussion!


Stage 4 - (new thread) - publish Friday 25th October
Try to bring the results together in the form of a 'Conference Report'.

Each thread will include 'Collaboration' and 'Google Groups' in the title 
so I'm hoping they'll be findable.


The objective is to explore methods and mechanisms that can be used 
'natively' here on google groups, that facilitate collaboration on 
'projects' - without any additional software.


Longwinded I know but it's an experiment and so far responses have been 
good. There's still time for plenty more though so, before this thread 
closes for business on Wednesday, please do post if you are a group user 
with thoughts on collaboration.


Thanks again!

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Re: [tw5] Exporting multiple tiddlers from filter tab is broken?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Yeah ok. Now this can be marked complete

On 14 September 2019 1:27:57 PM TonyM  wrote:

Riz,

I may be wrong but if the tid you export is a multiple tiddler package such 
as a plugin, yes this will be the case because it is already packaged as 
such, otherwise it will be a single tiddler that contains only itself. 
Plugin tiddlers do not contain only themself, but the shadow tiddlers.


Regards
Tony

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 5:48:51 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
Ok. I have not been in touch with latest tw5s. But at some point didn't the 
tid format export multiple tiddlers in a format similar to plugin tiddlers? 
It is ok for now anyway, as long as Json works.


On 14 September 2019 1:14:32 PM TonyM  wrote:

Riz,

I always assumed a tid file was a tiddler (Singular) and the only way to 
export "Multiple Tiddlers" was a json file, which encodes them in the 
single file. As I think mario is implying.


Regards
Tny

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 5:22:41 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
How about tid format?

On 14 September 2019 11:56:25 AM Mohammad Rahmani  wrote:

Hi Riz,

For me exporting to static html and JSON both works!


Best wishes
Mohammad




On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM Riz  wrote:
This is one of those "is it just me or has it changed" questions.

In tiddlywiki.com, go to advanced search> filter tab
Search for [tag[HelloThere]]
Export tiddlers

Earlier all the listed tiddlers used to be exported. Now I can find only 
the first one in the export


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Re: [tw5] Exporting multiple tiddlers from filter tab is broken?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Ok. I have not been in touch with latest tw5s. But at some point didn't the 
tid format export multiple tiddlers in a format similar to plugin tiddlers? 
It is ok for now anyway, as long as Json works.


On 14 September 2019 1:14:32 PM TonyM  wrote:

Riz,

I always assumed a tid file was a tiddler (Singular) and the only way to 
export "Multiple Tiddlers" was a json file, which encodes them in the 
single file. As I think mario is implying.


Regards
Tny

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 5:22:41 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
How about tid format?

On 14 September 2019 11:56:25 AM Mohammad Rahmani  wrote:

Hi Riz,

For me exporting to static html and JSON both works!


Best wishes
Mohammad




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This is one of those "is it just me or has it changed" questions.

In tiddlywiki.com, go to advanced search> filter tab
Search for [tag[HelloThere]]
Export tiddlers

Earlier all the listed tiddlers used to be exported. Now I can find only 
the first one in the export


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Re: [tw5] Exporting multiple tiddlers from filter tab is broken?

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How about tid format?

On 14 September 2019 11:56:25 AM Mohammad Rahmani 
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Hi Riz,

For me exporting to static html and JSON both works!


Best wishes
Mohammad




On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM Riz  wrote:
This is one of those "is it just me or has it changed" questions.

In tiddlywiki.com, go to advanced search> filter tab
Search for [tag[HelloThere]]
Export tiddlers

Earlier all the listed tiddlers used to be exported. Now I can find only 
the first one in the export


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Re: [tw5] Re: Exporting multiple tiddlers from filter tab is broken?

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Tid file

On 14 September 2019 12:26:12 PM PMario  wrote:

hi,
did you choose JSON-file or .tid-file?
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Re: [tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

[Rizwan Ishak]

As Tony pointed out.

1. Copy the button code given in my previous post to a tiddler in your wiki.
2. Change the filter from [tag[HelloThere]] to whatever you want. 
3. Save the tiddler. 
4. Press the resulting button.

@Mohammed.
I am on phone now. So I can't test in desktop browsers. Curiously, the 
confirmation dialogue doesn't appear in android phone. It just goes on to 
download html files.

Sincerely,
Riz.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Oh my stars and count filters

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Thnaks. Good work once again.

Sincerely,
Dr. Rizwan Ishak

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Re: [tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

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Notably, the first comment mentions reverse engineering the API to access the 
data. Might not be entirely impossible to build a synchronisation tool between 
notion and Tiddlywiki.

Sincerely,
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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Rizwan Ishak]

Thank you, can confirm that the bug is fixed now.



>  So you may be the only person other than me who is using the plugin version 
> of Bob because the second error isn't related to termux. 


I am sure there are others. People are usually little behind in update cycles.


>  I will spend a few minutes looking at the javascript error now but I don't 
> have a lot more time to devote to this today.



No rush. Just bringing it to your attention. I know how one person cannot do 
all possible tests to find edge cases. That is where community can help out, 
aiding you to evolve it into a better product. 

You should know that a lot of us appreciate the umpteen number of hours and 
expertise you sunk into this project for the sake of community. May be it is 
not vocalised every time, but it is there.

Keep up the great work. Practically all my node instances of Tiddlywiki are Bob 
now. 


Sincerely,
Riz

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Re: [tw5] Re: Some help with Tekan Kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

Hi Tony,

The plugin version doesn't have a GitHub repo yet. I will add one when I can 
get to a machine. 

I have a couple of pull requests to the core I want to commit. If they get 
accepted, it would make the creation of Tekkan like editions more streamlined. 

By all means, your inputs are welcome. 

Sincerely
Riz

https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi plugin - released for firefox/chrome/chromium in linux/mac/windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Did you try re-installing the plugin?

Sincerel

From: Mohammad
Sent: Saturday 22 September 2018 10:50 AM
To: TiddlyWiki
Subject: [tw5] Re: Timimi plugin - released for firefox/chrome/chromium in 
linux/mac/windows

> Has anybody tested timimi on Chrome recent release Version 69.0.3497.100 
> (Official Build) (64-bit)?


For me it stopped working after update from Chrome 68.x.x

-Mohammad 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi plugin - released for firefox/chrome/chromium in linux/mac/windows

[Rizwan Ishak]

Can you open $HOME/Library/Application 
Support/Mozilla/NativeMessagingHosts/timimi.json and post its contents?

Sincerel

From: Jianping Hua
Sent: Thursday 6 September 2018 12:51 AM
To: TiddlyWiki
Subject: [tw5] Re: Timimi plugin - released for firefox/chrome/chromium in 
linux/mac/windows

I've installed timimi on my mac, firefox, and it doesn't work.

my system is macos 10.13.6
firefox 62.0 (also tried on an earlier version)
python 2.7.14

I also switched python to python3 in .py file: 
python 3.6.6

and it still won't work.

In both cases, the the fish icon is bright, and auto save is declared, however, 
no update saved.

Best,
Jianping



Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 1:09:22 AM UTC-5, Riz wrote:
>
>
>
> Update 24/Aug/2018
>
> So there have been a few requests regarding backup options. On the other end, 
> a few noted the pointlessness of pushing a backup option on people who 
> already have a personal solution for backups. Both points deserve merit. I 
> felt that a  fair compromise would be a modular approach. Instead of adding a 
> backup option to the timimi plugin itself, I made a tiddlywiki plugin called 
> snapshot.
>
> Basically it is not a everything and kitchen sink solution. Rather, it 
> presents the user with a tiddlywiki message namely "tm-backup-wiki". Whenever 
> this message is triggered, it creates a timestamped clone of wiki at that 
> point. The location to keep the backups and format of timestamp(same as now 
> macro) can be defined under Control Panel > Saving >Snapshots. If left blank, 
> backups will be created in the same folder as the original file. 
> Remember, Snapshot plugin requires timimi plugin or other similar plugins 
> that follow tiddlyfox saver module structure to work. Currently PMario's 
> filebackup might work in addition to timimi.
>
> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/snapshot.html
>
>
> Regarding inducting timimi plugin to chrome web-store, if anyone has a google 
> chrome store developer account and is ready to upload timimi to the webstore, 
> let me know and I shall share the code so that people may install it. 
>
>
> Original Post
>
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi
>
>
> For those who are unfamiliar, timimi is a web-extension that allows you to 
> save standalone tiddlywikis the same way tiddlyfox did. You can open your 
> tiddlywikis from anywhere in your home folder, make changes and save changes.
>
>
> Installation steps have been simplified and requirement of python removed in 
> windows. Installation steps are sa below
>
> Firefox
>
> * Download the platform specific file from release page  and unzip it.
> **  In windows remember that the unzipped folder will become your 
> installation folder. So relocate it to a convenient folder under your home 
> directory. 
> * Run the install script.
> * Drag and drop timimi.xpi to **about:addons** page in firefox.
>
> Chrome/Chromium
>
> Chrome/Chromium does not allow installation of third party extensions from 
> outside the web-store. Until chrome finishes its review and accept timimi to 
> web-store, users will have to install it using the following steps.
>
> * Download the platform specific file from release page  and unzip it.
> **  In windows remember that the unzipped folder will become your 
> installation folder. So relocate it to a convenient folder under your home 
> directory. 
> * Run the install script.
> * Open chrome://extensions/ page in chrome/chromium and turn on the 
> "Developer mode"
> * From the tool bar that appears, click "Load unpacked" and select the folder 
> chrome-chromium/chrome-addon
>
> Now open a local tiddlywiki file anywhere under your home folder, make some 
> changes and save. Wait for a few seconds to refresh the tab and ensure that 
> changes are saved.
>
>
> Is there are issues, file them at https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/issues
>
> Please respond with your usage reports and platform details so as to confirm 
> that plugin is working as intended..
>
> PS: other tiddlywiki saver plugins like mario's filesaver plugin for firefox 
> should not be in conflict with timimi. However it is a good idea to 
> temporarily disable them while testing timimi.  
>
> PS: Please backup your important files before trying out. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Reviving TiddlyFox for Firefox > 57 (and Chrome)

[Rizwan Ishak]

eh, json in windows need to escape backslah characters. so the path in 
timimi.json has to be in the form C:\\user\\antho\\documents\\...

Sincerel

From: TonyM
Sent: Tuesday 14 August 2018 6:27 AM
To: TiddlyWiki
Subject: [tw5] Re: Reviving TiddlyFox for Firefox > 57 (and Chrome)

Riz,

I( am sure I am responsible for the deleted messages in this thread, something 
is going wrong when I attempt to place the log entries in a Gmail. I will nor 
"sanitise" it before posting.

I am on the Latest FireFox Quantum 61.0.2 (64bit) and Windows 10 Home.

I tried some variations on the registry and still had errors. However I have 
another plugin installed which has similar entries


[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Mozilla\NativeMessagingHosts\timimi]
@="C:\\Users\\antho\\Downloads\\timimihost\\timimi.json"

Browser log
we are insidefile:///C:/Users/antho/Downloads/TiddlyFox2nd.html 
logsimple.js:15:3
Not a local Tiddlywiki file background.js:10:5
Initiate content-script.js:41:9
sendTimingEvent addSite start undefined undefined
verboseLoggerHooks.js:1:1120
saver-handler: Saving wiki with method autosave through saver tiddlyfox 
$:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:33:10
Sending native message background.js:23:5
[Show/hide message details.] Error parsing native manifest 
C:\Users\antho\Downloads\timimihost\timimi.json: JSON.parse: bad escaped 
character at line 4 column 15 of the JSON data NativeManifests.jsm:80
_tryPath/<
resource://gre/modules/NativeManifests.jsm:80:11
[Show/hide message details.] No such native application timimi 
NativeMessaging.jsm:99
NativeApp
> PS: Can you tell me your windows version and firefox version?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Reviving TiddlyFox for Firefox > 57 (and Chrome)

[Rizwan Ishak]

Also, mozilla docs for windows says "The registry key should have a single 
default value, which is the path to the manifest."

May be they meant you need to add the full path including the name of file 
itself - ie,  C:\\Users\\antho\\timimihost\\timimi.json

Sincerel

From: Riz
Sent: Monday 13 August 2018 1:15 PM
To: TiddlyWiki
Subject: [tw5] Re: Reviving TiddlyFox for Firefox > 57 (and Chrome)

PS: Can you tell me your windows version and firefox version? 

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Re: [tw] Re: [Doc]: Page and tiddler layout customisation - Rewrite proposal

[Rizwan Ishak]

@Sylvain
Thank you.  Good to see you too.


@TiddlyTweeter
Do you have a suggestion for alternative presentation of exmples?

On Fri 30 Mar, 2018, 3:47 PM Sylvain Naudin,  wrote:

>
>
> Le dimanche 25 mars 2018 12:14:06 UTC+2, Riz a écrit :
>>
>>
>> http://docsuggestions.tiddlyspot.com/#Page%20and%20tiddler%20layout%20customisation2
>>
>>
>> Recently several queries regarding page and layout customisation has been
>> coming up. IMO the current documentation regarding the same
>> 
>> is little inadequate. Here is my proposal of a rewrite. Opening to
>> community suggestions and recommendations.
>>
>>
> Hi Riz,
> Good to see you.
> Congrats for this proposal ! It's a great work :)
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Re: [tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[Rizwan Ishak]

It is there in contents  tab too.

I actually made a PR.  It took some discussion and time to ensure backward
compatibility and inclusion of alpha numerical comparison.  I guess it is
ready now.  Main purpose of this post is to find edge cases.

sincerely
Riz

On 12-Mar-2018 7:17 PM, "'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki" <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I think it's all those angle brackets. Just fish it out of the "recent"
> tiddlers tab.
>
> It would be great if this were to become core -- not just for "reveal",
> but for filters. It looks like Riz has selected some good terminology
> (currently a sticking point).
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:51:45 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Riz,
>>
>>
>> Link Goes to
>> Missing tiddler "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget"
>> - click  to create
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Plugin and Demo
>>> 
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Riz
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[Rizwan Ishak]

ugh, as if there was not enough reason to despise it.

thanks Josiah

Riz

On 12-Mar-2018 6:08 PM, "@TiddlyTweeter"  wrote:

> Right. Its still not working. GG can't always handle long addresses
> reliably.
>
> Here is one that does: http://tinyurl.com/y8taw5s7
>
> J.
>
> On Monday, 12 March 2018 12:46:25 UTC+1, Riz wrote:
>>
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/index.
>> html#Reveal-Extended%3A%20Adding%20<%2C>%2C<%3D%2C>%3D%20types%20to%20reveal%20widget
>>
>>
>> This is the entire link. GG is a pain to work from mobile
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 12 March 2018 14:21:45 UTC+5:30, TonyM  wrote:
>> > Riz,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Link Goes to
>> > Missing tiddler "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget"
>> - click  to create
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Tony
>> >
>> > On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>> >
>> > Plugin and Demo
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Riz
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Suggestions Box ...

[Rizwan Ishak]

The usual way to avoid that would be to attach the "data" prefix,  say
"data-myparam", right?


I like your macro trick. However,  it adds a second step to the workflow.
The idea was to make multiple varying widget calls with same parameters
easy.  With macros we will have to define each widget separately before
using it. Anyway,  sans such a solution,  this would have to do I guess.

On 12-Oct-2017 9:27 PM, "PMario"  wrote:

> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 10:41:37 AM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Moreover, macros are not taking care of the second part, which is support
>> for unknown parameters.
>>
>>  For eg: I type
>>
>> <$button tabindex=0>My Button
>>
>> and the generated html fails to show the tabindex property. Tabindex is
>> not yet supported as a property of button widget. Currently if we want to
>> add it, we need to modify button.js. I was hoping the widgets like button,
>> edit-text etc will map all unknown parameters to the generated html
>> counterpart without modification. In the above example, it would generate
>> My Button
>>
>>
> You are right, that's a new behaviour, which could be implemented for
> every widget, that creates DOM elements. ...
>
> The only problem would be to avoid parameter names, that will be
> implemented into future HTML specs, which are unknown at the moment of this
> writing.
>
> -m
>
> ...

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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

hm. well,  it was worth a shot.

yeah,  but things are looking up. Hope 57 lives up to th hype

On 28-Sep-2017 10:07 PM, "@TiddlyTweeter"  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> Thanks for trying.
>
> It didn't work ...
>
>
>
> I hadn't realised that this kind of layout was still not so supported.
>
> J.
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

Can you drag and drop the attached json and see? I have tracked down some
old compatible property declarations. It might work.

On 28 September 2017 at 19:56, Rizwan Ishak <madapeedikakka...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Apparently firefox started supporting it since 54 onwards
>
> https://caniuse.com/#search=flex
>
> On 28 September 2017 at 19:32, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddlytwee...@assays.tv>
> wrote:
>
>> EEK! I hate that kind of complexity.
>>
>> Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> ... firefox 55 in linux and things are working without glitch here.
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

Apparently firefox started supporting it since 54 onwards

https://caniuse.com/#search=flex

On 28 September 2017 at 19:32, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> EEK! I hate that kind of complexity.
>
> Riz wrote:
>>
>> ... firefox 55 in linux and things are working without glitch here.
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter
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>>> ... in ... Firefox ESR (Windows 64-bit Portable Apps. Version) -- v.
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

I am working on firefox 55 in linux and things are working without glitch
here. Let me see what I can do.

On 28 September 2017 at 18:32, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Riz wrote:
>>
>> I am actually worried about Firefox in that list, in that list. Can you
>> confirm if it is the latest version of firefox or firefox ESR? The closest
>> windows computer I have access to is like 50+ kms away.
>>
>
> Its the latest Firefox ESR (Windows 64-bit Portable Apps. Version) -- v.
> 52.3. But, essentially it will be the same for later versions, I think.
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

I am actually worried about Firefox in that list, in that list. Can you
confirm if it is the latest version of firefox or firefox ESR? The closest
windows computer I have access to is like 50+ kms away.

IE is disappointing but it is pointless to please that. If IE with close to
10% share of users is not a huge deal, Edge with less than 4% can be also
chucked.

That said, it would be seriously rad to support everything.

On 28 September 2017 at 16:56, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Caro Riz ...
>
> Just noting that I think its got some (probably esoteric) CSS issues ...
>
> -- On Chrome (win) it works well.
>
> -- On Opera (win) it works.
>
> -- On Firefox (win) it breaks on scroll right.
>
> -- On IE its unusable (not a big deal).
>
> -- On Edge it doesn't work--and that's an issue.
>
> -- Safari I haven't tried.
>
> It seems to me there are two aspects to this ... Trelloish for local and
> Trelloish for broadcast.
>
> To be able to use this reliably publicly i need know it renders well, or
> degrades well.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

The first one can be done. Give me a couple of hours till I get back.

The second one is trickier.  As of now,  the content of the text field is
parsed as plain text.  Wikifying it is something I set aside for the next
version. I ll definitely include easier ways to expand the features in the
next edition.

On 27-Sep-2017 7:14 PM, "Cyrill" <2rig...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes,

this could be one possibility or sometthing like a popup with the content
of clicked tiddler.

By this way you could probably have sometthing like a matrix, to opt as
back door to the other predefined boards there or by following the inherent
linking of the choosed tiddler.

Best Regards



Am Mittwoch, 27. September 2017 13:47:00 UTC+2 schrieb Riz:
>
> Hey Cyrill,
>
> As in,  you want a button to close the tekan mode and navigate to the
> active card tiddler in the tiddlywiki mode?
>
> sincerely
> Riz
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Now somebody got to write the answers.

On 26-Sep-2017 11:43 PM, "Arlen Beiler"  wrote:

> How can i say PINNED THREAD when so many people here would never see it on
>> GG?
>
>
> I don't think it really matters if *I* don't see it. What matters is that
> I know it is there and every new person that goes to join the group is
> going to see it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
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>> How can i say PINNED THREAD when so many people here would never see it
>> on GG?
>>
>> Okay. WELCOME ...
>>
>>1. What is TW?
>>2. Where do you download it?
>>3. What can you do with it?
>>4. How do you save it?
>>5. Some example TiddlyWikis.
>>6. How to ask questions & where.
>>
>> Next up. The OTHER THREAD. The SAVING Crisis (actually its a bonanza
>> already). For LOCAL save ...
>>
>>1. The Death of Firefox at 57 and how to postpone it.
>>2. TiddlyServer (sorted)
>>3. WebDav (in process)
>>4. Mark S' Batch System (interesting experiment)
>>5. TiddlyDesktop (needs updating)
>>6. The other thing ...
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> I say we start here. Right now. Discuss what would we like to see in a
>>> "Welcome" thread...
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] [NodeJS] Duplication of tiddlers when edited.

[Rizwan Ishak]

My set up is a usual nodejs TW divided to subfolders with
$:/config/FileSystemPaths configured to sort the tiddlers to
respective folders. I synce this folder with dropbox and from there to
other machines.

The issue with the set up is, in android it takes a lot of time for
the tw5 to load up with termux, even if it is empty. So when i need to
quickly add something, I usually create the tiddler file with a text
editor. To reduce the repetitive typing of title and tags, i set up a
tiddlywiki.files to ascribe the same tag (and multiple other fields)
to all tiddler files read from a folder. This works, except the said
editing issue.


Sincerely

Riz



On 06-Jul-2017 12:07 PM, "PMario"  wrote:

Hi Riz,

IMO you should describe, what you want to achieve. ... IMO you are
"mis-using" the tiddlywiki.files setting.

tiddlywiki.files  was not
invented to create .tid files. It is intended to deal with files, that are
externally created, but should show up in a TW. eg: PDFs shown with a
_canonical_uri field. And not loaded fully into the TW. ... Or external js
libraries, that should be loaded as "plugins"

If you want to create .tid files, just create them in a subdirectory,
without a tiddlywiki.files file and the startup mechanism will handle it as
expected.

-

did you check out: in your tidddlywiki.info (see: .info
  not .files)

"config": {
"retain-original-tiddler-path": true
}

or

"config": {
"default-tiddler-location": "../path/to/tiddlers"
}

have fun!
-mario

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Collecting links for tiddlywiki.com

[Rizwan Ishak]

Blue possibly? Might go with the theme

On 14-Jan-2017 5:25 PM, "PMario"  wrote:

> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 5:51:15 AM UTC+1, Riz wrote:
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>> Community resources - Appearance Concept
>>
>
> Looks good but I personally would prefer green buttons, since read
> indicates danger.
> Just my thoughts.
> -m
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Re: [tw] Re: Question - Does a plug in exist to make Hash Tags for Inline #Tags in TW5?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Download the JSON, drag and drop it to your TW.


On 7 January 2017 at 10:51, RichShumaker  wrote:

> I am trying to figure out how to install the JSON plug in manually.
> So it is not work for me yet as I haven't gotten it installed, heheh.
>
> Any links on how to do manually install the JSON plug in would be greatly
> appreciated as I haven't figured it out yet.
>
> Rich Shumaker
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:50:22 PM UTC-8, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, that is expected. As you can see, what I did was modify the save
>> button to scan the text and find the hashtags, and add it to list of
>> existing tags.
>>
>> On 07-Jan-2017 10:18 AM, "'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki" <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to work on my version of chrome. (Version 55.0.2883.87 m
>>> (64-bit))
>>>
>>> One thing, if you use control-enter to close out the tiddler, it doesn't
>>> work. You have to use the check-mark.
>>>
>>> ĝis,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 5:31:37 PM UTC-8, Riz wrote:



 Did it work? Tobias was telling me how it failed to work for him.
 Remember you have to specify the symbol in the settings first.

 Yeah, it can be tweaked to include @people as well. However, currently
 it has the limitations pointed out by Beabonobo and I haven't had time to
 solve them.


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Re: [tw] Re: Question - Does a plug in exist to make Hash Tags for Inline #Tags in TW5?

[Rizwan Ishak]

Yeah, that is expected. As you can see, what I did was modify the save
button to scan the text and find the hashtags, and add it to list of
existing tags.

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> It seems to work on my version of chrome. (Version 55.0.2883.87 m
> (64-bit))
>
> One thing, if you use control-enter to close out the tiddler, it doesn't
> work. You have to use the check-mark.
>
> ĝis,
> Mark
>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Did it work? Tobias was telling me how it failed to work for him.
>> Remember you have to specify the symbol in the settings first.
>>
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>> has the limitations pointed out by Beabonobo and I haven't had time to
>> solve them.
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