[tw5] Re: sum cells in a table only if row is selected

[Willy Tanner]

For the time being, it is just the table, no sum total of weight or 
anything yet. I have not expressed myself well what I meant with "selected" 
but your guess is exactly what I wanted to say, i.e. selecting which gear 
to take by putting a checkmark next to it. 

As I said, for the moment there is nothing but the idea in my head. By the 
looks of it the table calculations might be helpful but I am all ears if I 
should try something else for some reason. 
http://tablecalcs.tiddlyspot.com
By default, it does not cover my main incentive, namely summing up only the 
values in rows with an active checkmark. 

I'd be grateful for any suggestions 

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 9:19:25 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:

> How is your table implemented? Calculating the sum of a column is not a 
> standard feature in TW, so maybe you're using some plugin?
>
> But (probably) regardless, it should be doable, yes. One idea would be a 
> column at extreme left or right with checkboxes. Instead of selecting, you 
> check the relevant rows, and there is a sum calculated from this. It could 
> work so that the selected titles are added to some list, and the sum is 
> calculated by extracing and summing up the weight from all the listed items.
>
> <:-)
>
> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 10:43:34 AM UTC+2 pri...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> perhaps someone can help me with this. I have a table in Tiddlywiki with 
>> the weight and dimensions of pieces of equipment that I need to take with 
>> me on a trip with tight baggage limits. As some of the items in that lists 
>> are alternatives, I do not need a sum of the entire column but rather the 
>> total weight of pieces that depend on item X but make no sense if item Y is 
>> taken instead. 
>>
>> Is it possible to play through different scenarios by simply selecting 
>> and deselecting rows in a table that correspond to different solutions and 
>> have the sum update to reflect only the selected cells? I can manage the 
>> selection process manually, so defining sets of interdependent items is not 
>> needed here. 
>>
>> Thank you
>> Christoph
>>
>

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[tw5] sum cells in a table only if row is selected

[Willy Tanner]

Hi
perhaps someone can help me with this. I have a table in Tiddlywiki with 
the weight and dimensions of pieces of equipment that I need to take with 
me on a trip with tight baggage limits. As some of the items in that lists 
are alternatives, I do not need a sum of the entire column but rather the 
total weight of pieces that depend on item X but make no sense if item Y is 
taken instead. 

Is it possible to play through different scenarios by simply selecting and 
deselecting rows in a table that correspond to different solutions and have 
the sum update to reflect only the selected cells? I can manage the 
selection process manually, so defining sets of interdependent items is not 
needed here. 

Thank you
Christoph

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[tw5] Re: Personal News

[Willy Tanner]

Jeremy, 
all the best for you and your family, I really hope that the symptoms 
subside soon and without any long-term complications. 
W

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 10:59:36 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I should let you all know that I have somehow contracted Covid-19, despite 
> being in careful lockdown for two months. I haven't been tested (this is 
> the UK), but the symptoms have gradually become unmistakeable over the last 
> week and a half. It's all tolerable at the moment, and I remain hopeful 
> that this is a mild dose of the disease. My doctor says that I can be 
> cautiously optimistic that I've had symptoms for so long without developing 
> the really dangerous ones. I've been told unequivocally to rest, and so 
> I'll likely be out of action for at least a few days. 
>
> I'm very happy there's so much activity on the group just now, but 
> naturally frustrated not to be able to keep up. Hopefully I'll be back 
> soon, and in the meantime please take care of yourselves and each other, 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
> -- 
> Jeremy Ruston 
> jer...@jermolene.com  
> https://jermolene.com

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[tw5] using Tiddlywiki on multiple devices w/o sync issues

[Willy Tanner]

I am coming to depend on Tiddlywiki more and more these days and I am 
wondering how I can use it best on multiple devices (macOS and iOS). For 
the moment I am simply using a single html file on my iCloud Drive that I 
am trying to remember to close once I am finished on one computer lest I 
accidentally overwrite something with older content, thus losing all the 
changes from in between. This is not optimal because it leaves me in a 
constant state of anxiety (did I really shut down TW on the other 
computer?) and also because it adds to the friction when that afterthought 
also wants to be written (is it really important enough to merit opening TW 
again?). 

Are there more intelligent workflows for a single user scenario using macOS 
and iOS that would alleviate the saving and syncing side of things?

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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

[Willy Tanner]

As I said, that's also what I get for you:

but not for Nicolas:


On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 11:28:05 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> So no misunderstanding, this is the feature I'm talking about. This is 
> what I get when clicking for you:
>
> [image: Annotation 2020-05-22 141236.png]
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

[Willy Tanner]

Hmm, good idea but I am not offered this option in Nicolas' case but I do 
see it here, i.e. next to your name. Is this an option that needs to be 
enabled by the author? Anyway, let's hope Nico replies to my post in his 
own thread. Cheers
W

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 9:39:33 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Willy, if you found Nicolas thread you could perhaps try to contact hm by 
> clicking at the very rightmost button in a post of his and choose "Reply 
> privately to the author". 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] Project-Manager & Notebook theme updates

[Willy Tanner]

Hi Nicolas

wow, thank you very much, I did not know this was even possible! Very 
refined and useful.

There is one thing that I would appreciate to see changed. Currently, the 
"todo" tag is of no use, it is enough for a tiddler to be tagged with the 
name of a project for it to appear as a todo item under that project, 
regardless of the fact if the "todo" tag was also present or not. As a 
consequence, even tiddlers that serve any other purpose (e.g. pure notes 
without tasks) will all appear as todo items and clutter the otherwise very 
clean design. 
Could this be changed so that only tiddlers with the "todo" tag are treated 
as tasks? It seems that this is what was intended to be its purpose.

Thanks


On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+2, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
>
> I just uploaded an update of my Project Manager plugin, you can find it 
> here: 
>
> https://nicolas.petton.fr/tw/project-manager.html 
>
> I also rewrote the Notebook theme & color palette from scratch, as I was 
> not quite satisfied with it (it's far from being perfect though, the 
> sidebar still needs quite some work). 
>
> The Notebook theme has the following purposes: 
>
> - Make my wiki as uncluttered as possible (The UI chrome used various 
>   shades a grey to help focus on the content) 
> - Prominent search input always at the top of the page 
> - Focus less on tiddlers (their boundaries), and more on the content 
> itself 
> - Feel at home on mobile, with a dedicated mobile toolbar & sidebar 
>
> Here's a screenshot on desktop: 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

[Willy Tanner]

Dear Tony K and Mat

thanks a lot for your thoughtful replies. After tinkering some (ahem: a 
lot), I know that I could realise a filter along the lines of what Mat 
suggested, one for each project. It is not precisely what I was after, so I 
would like to make this my plan B, the project plugin by Nicolas has many 
more options, a clean design and is a lot more open to changes in the 
structure of projects. Obviously a lot of thought has gone into its 
creation, and that level of refinement would be very hard or impossible for 
me to achieve. 
I found Nicolas' thread in which he announced the release of his plugin and 
I will try to highlight that it would be useful to allow subordinate notes 
under the project's name that are not automatically treated as tasks, which 
is what I was trying to say in my first post and obviously failed.

Thanks nonetheless, Mat, for teaching me something about filters!


 

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 11:44:48 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Thing is, as Tony K notes, it is someones own hack so it would take effort 
> to dig around. Someone elses coding structure, possibly including "clever 
> solutions" or even bugs. I suggest that you do actually test things. If I 
> understand you right, you want both tag[todo]tag[gardening]... in 
> the/some filter. It seems like a rather neat use case to get to know how TW 
> works.
>
> Or you just create your own project manager. It is not that difficult. To 
> list all tiddlers that are tagged both "todo" and with, say, all projects 
> that are tagged "active", you could do:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[project]tag[active]]" variable=project>
> <$list filter="[tagtag[todo]]">
>
> 
> 
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

[Willy Tanner]

I just looked at it but much as I would like it, my changes would be extremely 
unlikely to have the desired effect. 
If anyone more knowledgeable could help out here, it seems not only I would be 
very grateful. 

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[tw5] TW Project Plugin question

[Willy Tanner]

Hi everyone
I have recently discovered a rather wonderful plugin that bends Tiddlywiki 
towards project management. 
https://nicolas.petton.fr/tw/project-manager.html

The one thing that bugs me about it is that right now every Tiddler that has a 
certain project tag (e.g. gardening) now appears as a todo item in that project 
gardening. I have lots of notes that belong to each project and only a small 
subset are actually todos. How can I limit the todo tiddlers to just the ones 
that have both the “todo” and the “gardening” tags? I would have thought that 
this was the purpose of the “todo” tag anyway but at least here there is no 
difference between a Tiddler that has “gardening” only or “gardening” and 
“todo”, they all appear as todos. 

Any ideas?

Many thanks

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[tw5] Re: interactive maths: gamma distribution help needed

[Willy Tanner]

Forgot to include the link to this 
http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html#Harmonic%20Lattice

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:21:19 PM UTC+1, Willy Tanner wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> For a presentation I would like to include a gamma distribution. It would 
> be so much better if it were an interactive one, two sliders for the shape 
> parameter alpha  and the rate parameter beta and below or above a plot that 
> would visualise the density distribution that results from these two 
> values. 
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_distribution , it is the 
> probability density function that I am after (upper right).
>
> It can probably be done using 
> http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html and in particular the 
> Harmonic Lattice demo comes close to what I have in mind. 
>
> Can someone help me out here or point me towards helpful resources? 
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Willy
>
> PS: I am aware of (but did not want to hijack) the other recent 
> math-related tiddlywinks thread 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/4MlVWlrxl6A
>
>

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[tw5] interactive maths: gamma distribution help needed

[Willy Tanner]

Hi all

For a presentation I would like to include a gamma distribution. It would 
be so much better if it were an interactive one, two sliders for the shape 
parameter alpha  and the rate parameter beta and below or above a plot that 
would visualise the density distribution that results from these two 
values. 
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_distribution , it is the 
probability density function that I am after (upper right).

It can probably be done 
using http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html and in particular the 
Harmonic Lattice demo comes close to what I have in mind. 

Can someone help me out here or point me towards helpful resources? 

Many thanks!

Willy

PS: I am aware of (but did not want to hijack) the other recent 
math-related tiddlywinks 
thread https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/4MlVWlrxl6A

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[tw5] create date field and search for tiddlers in date range

[Willy Tanner]

Many of my notes (=tiddlers) refer to an event which I would like to note 
as a key:value pair in order to be able to use it later on, e.g. search for 
tiddlers that refer to dates in a certain date range (next two weeks, say).

These dates are not identical to any of the default date fields (created, 
modified). How do I define such a field and how do I use it later on?

Thank you 

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[tw5] Re: open all tiddlers with tag X in story view and sort by date

[Willy Tanner]

Hi all

sorry for the belated thank you but thank you all indeed.

It is probably difficult to imagine but what is crystal clear for you is 
much less so for someone doing his first baby steps behind the scenes. Just 
as an example, I was unsure what the placeholder was that I  had to swap 
for the tag that I wanted. For example, if I wanted to list all tiddlers 
tagged "Mathematik",  should the first line in the body of the tiddler in 
Thomas' example be

<$vars myTag="$:/tags/SideBar/Mathematik">
or
<$vars myTag="$:/Mathematik">
or
..
or
<$vars myTag="Mathematik">

No amount of googling around would get me closer to the next step. 
(the latter I finally found works)

Using X-tags was not straightforward either. It took me ages to find that 
nothing happened because if I initiate the drag and drop from a Safari 
browser window, Tiddlydesktop would accept a drag and drop of the plugin 
but silently fail to import it. I have learned to check which plugins are 
installed and working in the process and that I need to open x-tags webpage 
in Chrome at least for the importing step. 

You probably cringe at this level of idiocy but I imagine that a fair 
number of people taking TiddlyWiki for a spin will give up at some point 
and settle for something much less powerful but easier to make head and 
tails of. 

Don't get me wrong, I am beginning to realise now that TiddlyWiki *is* 
almost infinitely powerful and that people like you are eager to help but 
TiddlyWiki would be ten times more popular if one wouldn't feel so damned 
helpless at the beginning. It is the sheer amount of mini obstacles and 
perhaps even more so the lack of a vision for the expected outcome in the 
event of success that makes adapting TW to one'S own use case difficult for 
a beginner like me (plus trying to avoid sounding ungrateful by repeatedly 
asking something that should be clear enough). 

Where is the "open all link" afforded by x-link now that it is installed 
supposed to show up? The tag manager looks the same and whilst "Mathematik" 
does list all tiddlers tagged with it clicking on it just opens a missing 
tiddler. Is that to be expected or a sign that x-tags is still not 
functioning? 

In Mohammad's example I haven't quite figured out the invoke step. This is 
supposed to be happening independently from the tiddler that you described 
in your second post, I would assume but it is still unclear to me where 
this is going

<>

Once I got my bearings in TiddlyWiki land, I won't have to keep bothering 
you with such elementary questions or so I hope

Thanks again
Willy


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[tw5] Re: open all tiddlers with tag X in story view and sort by date

[Willy Tanner]

Thank you both Thomas and Mohammad 

May I ask you to help me finding my way? Assume that I have been using 
TiddlyWiki as is until now, so I know very little where additional code is 
going etc. Do I need to create a system tiddler, or a button? I have been 
trying to find the information online but a lot of information assumes more 
background knowledge than I have at the moment.  

Can advise me where the code is going, Mohammad, or how to put your plugin 
to work, Thomas?


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[tw5] open all tiddlers with tag X in story view and sort by date

[Willy Tanner]

Hi all

quite possibly an embarrassingly easy to answer question but...

I am looking for a way to have a stored view that activates at a click that 
would let me dive into a project by opening all tiddlers that have that 
project tag sorting them by date, thus giving me sort of a timeline of how 
the project came along. 
A filter operator comes close but it creates a new tiddler containing a 
list of links to said tiddlers. For various reasons, I would prefer to have 
all those tiddlers open (and only those tiddlers) in the story view. 
How do I do this? Thanks

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[tw5] Re: TW for writers: How to concatenate the contents of different tiddlers in one tiddler?

[Willy Tanner]

It is totally possible that I am getting you wrong but what I think you 
describe sounds wrong. The expected behaviour of transclusion is what you 
describe as your desired result, whilst what you describe as the outcome you 
are seeing is the edit mode of the tiddler.

You should definitely see the text body of the transcluded tiddlers neatly 
combined in a single tiddler (in its display mode!)

Hope this helps (ignore me if I misunderstood your problem)



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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Plugins updated: ToDoNow, Listreveal, Reminders

[Willy Tanner]

Hello TodoNow folks

without wanting to hijack this thread but is there a way to suppress the 
visibility of a todo item before a certain date (scheduled date, start 
date)?

Quite often I need to plan todo items a long time into the future but my 
every day life would become messy if I'd be forced to deal or even just see 
all these items long before they can be acted upon. 

Thank you
Christoph



On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 10:47:41 PM UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hello TW-friends
>
> After quite some time I have updated most of my plugins on 
> https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html with some minor and some deeper going 
> changes. Generally I have tried to make my stuff more robust for different 
> designs. Additionally I have been able to integrate some user feedback from 
> the last five months ore so. 
>
> As always: Please make a backup or two before updating. And if you update, 
> update all dependencies. 
>
> Enjoy and keep the feedback coming!
> Thomas
>
> ===
>
> From the readme of ToDoNow:
>
> Version 1.2.9
>
>- Minor redesign with better icons, context sensitive colours, less 
>whitespace and additional configuration options:
>   - hide the header of ToDoNow 
>   
>   - check and adjust author/creator info and task template
>   - translate all text, date and time formats on ToDoNow 
>    via translation tiddlers
>  - you can leave the translation empty to save the space
>   - independent save button (no longer a duplication of the core save 
>button, so adding an accesskey to the core version 
>
>  
>should not be a problem anymore)
>- listreveal updated to version 0.3.21
>- reminders updated to version 0.1.6
>
> Special thanks to Surya, Mark, Jasper and Josiah for feedback and 
> suggestions!
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki, Seafile and the iPhone

[Willy Tanner]

Hi Altug

ah, I see, we got our wires crossed here. As I mentioned in my first post, 
Seafile is many things in one, first and foremost it is a file 
synchronisation tool, which can be used to keep files and folders in sync, 
with version history, optional web interface, sharing links etc etc. The 
behaviour you describe is normal for the Seafile companion app (except a 
little detail about which later), the file is downloaded to your phone and 
once saved also synced back to the server and any other machines that are 
connected to that repository.

The point of this thread, however, is that Seafile can if you so wish be 
configured as a Webdav server. In the process you designate a folder on the 
server which then can be accessed from the outside (via your phone or 
another computer) without the need to download the file first. This 
obviously only works when online but if so, one can edit the file and the 
save is done directly on the server. Importantly, the file will be accessed 
via a special URL directly in the browser, not through the Seafile app on 
the phone. 
Note that the Seafile server is by default off but once on, the edits on 
the phone or some other computer are autosaved back and instantly available 
anywhere. 


Question to you, Altug, you were reporting the behaviour of a Tiddlywiki 
file after calling that file from the Seafile app on your phone, correct? 
Can you please check if any saves on your phone were indeed saved back to 
the server by accessing that file from a different computer (not your 
phone, in case the edited file still sits in the cache)? On the iPhone at 
first glance it looks like saving an edit on a local file via the Seafile 
app back to the Seafile repo on the server works but it is purely in the 
phone's cache. No other computer sees that edit nor the phone once you 
force it to reload the content from the server.
If this were different indeed on Android I'd be surprised.

Cheers
Willy




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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki, Seafile and the iPhone

[Willy Tanner]

Hi Jeremy

it not an online service but a self-hostable solution. There used to be 
ready-made hosted Seafile solutions but I know nothing about them nor if 
the optional Webdav component is active or not. 
Is a self-hosted solution interesting nonetheless?

Willy

On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 2:03:44 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
>
> It’s good to hear of an online WebDAV service that works well with 
> TiddlyWiki. You mentioned that there are some setup steps. Would you 
> perhaps be able to contribute a docs tiddler I can link from the existing 
> “Saving via WebDAV”  tiddler? You can either contribute by posting a .tid 
> file here, or make a PR via GitHub if you’re familiar with the process.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 28 Aug 2018, at 08:50, Willy Tanner > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Altug
> good to know it works on Android as well.
>
> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 7:31:27 AM UTC+2, AltugOz wrote:
>>
>> Hi Willy,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. I just wanted to confirm that TW and Seafile 
>> generally play nicely together on Android as well. I previously used the 
>> android app Andtidwiki <https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted> with the 
>> Seafile client. When you mark a tiddlywiki file as favorite in the Seafile 
>> client it will save back the changes made to it by Andtidwiki. 
>>
>
> Is marking the file as a favourite a convenience to find it more easily or 
> would saving only work if marked as such? How would that happen?
>  
>
>> This setup has worked quite well for me, but I also recently started 
>> exploring the webdav saver with Seafile. As you say it works great. The 
>> only problem I have is I can't save the file more than once unless I reload 
>> it in browser. The second time I try to save, it will give me a "file 
>> changed on server" error. I must accept it is a minor annoyance. I don't 
>> know whether you also have this issue.
>>
>
> I do not have the same issue, actually. On the Mac as well on the iPhone, 
> saving the tiddler would also save the entire wiki, after a second or so 
> the yellow alert pops up telling me as much, done. 
> If I keep editing and save again, it works, too, although thanks to the 
> autosave I rarely hit the save wiki icon but it works. 
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Willy
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki, Seafile and the iPhone

[Willy Tanner]

Hi Altug
good to know it works on Android as well.

On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 7:31:27 AM UTC+2, AltugOz wrote:
>
> Hi Willy,
>
> Thanks for sharing. I just wanted to confirm that TW and Seafile generally 
> play nicely together on Android as well. I previously used the android app 
> Andtidwiki  with the Seafile 
> client. When you mark a tiddlywiki file as favorite in the Seafile client 
> it will save back the changes made to it by Andtidwiki. 
>

Is marking the file as a favourite a convenience to find it more easily or 
would saving only work if marked as such? How would that happen?
 

> This setup has worked quite well for me, but I also recently started 
> exploring the webdav saver with Seafile. As you say it works great. The 
> only problem I have is I can't save the file more than once unless I reload 
> it in browser. The second time I try to save, it will give me a "file 
> changed on server" error. I must accept it is a minor annoyance. I don't 
> know whether you also have this issue.
>

I do not have the same issue, actually. On the Mac as well on the iPhone, 
saving the tiddler would also save the entire wiki, after a second or so 
the yellow alert pops up telling me as much, done. 
If I keep editing and save again, it works, too, although thanks to the 
autosave I rarely hit the save wiki icon but it works. 

I hope this helps

Willy


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[tw5] Tiddlywiki, Seafile and the iPhone

[Willy Tanner]

First post here.
For a long time I have been looking for a note-taking solution that works 
equally on my Mac and iPhone and which does not force me to put any data on 
servers I do not have control over.

I realise that this may be overkill just in order to be able to use 
Tiddlywiki but Seafile (see https://www.seafile.com/en/home/) is amongst 
other things a flexible and very powerful data synchronisation tool. The 
community edition is completely free and has served me well for several 
years already.

Although not activated by default, Webdav works beautifully well. The 
desktop side of things works well and the iPhone can access and more 
importantly save back onto the Webdav server without problems. Note that 
saving does not work when accessing the file via the iPhone client and 
sending it to be opened in the browser.

I only mention this 
because https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520via%2520WebDAV.html 
mentions that none of the free hosting possibilities work for TW. This 
self-hosted possibility seems to work if you are willing to put some work 
in.

Myself I am hoping to get Noteself up and running but I'd rather make my 
first attempt when I have a lot of time...


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Re: [tw] Re: just discovered Tiddlywiki5

[Willy Tanner]

But of course (single html file and all that). 
Thanks for putting me on the right track, I'd been staring up the wrong 
tree for what builds the user interface, thinking that WikiText's sole 
responsibility was formatting the body text inside the tiddlers. 
No mucking about with Python or some other language to add something to the 
sidebar? (Incidentally, how would one put a calendar there?)

I stumbled 
across https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/w8w74S8rums and 
followed the links therein. Are you seriously saying that some of this 
would be accessible to end-users? I feel I am only now beginning to grasp 
the potential of TW5. 
 
I hope this conversation is helpful to other newbies so I don't have to 
feel all that stupid. 

Chris



On Monday, October 21, 2013 10:33:05 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
>
> I confessed already  that I am not a programmer but what would it take to 
>> build simple things myself? I realize that TW5 is still in a state of flux 
>> but is there a dictionary of sorts that comprises the built-in functions 
>> somewhere and what would be the language needed to connect these building 
>> blocks in a meaningful way? 
>>
>
> One builds things in TW5 using wikitext, a markup language similar to 
> MarkDown. The entire user interface is actually built entirely out of 
> wikitext (admittedly, in some cases it's quite hairy wikitext). This means 
> that it's possible for non-developers to achieve the kind of modifications 
> and extensions that would ordinarily be the exclusive domain of experienced 
> web developers.
>
> The trick with TW5 is that the cost of failure is very low; to experiment 
> with an unfamiliar area one can just backup ones wiki and then sail in to 
> modifying templates and tweaks, confident that it will always be possible 
> to step back to an earlier revision.
>
> Anyhow, wikitext is documented on five.tiddlywiki.com, but the 
> documentation is currently incomplete with respect to the more advanced 
> wikitext features used to build the user interface.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: just discovered Tiddlywiki5

[Willy Tanner]

Hi Jeremy

this is very helpful indeed and does exactly what I wanted.

I confessed already  that I am not a programmer but what would it take to 
build simple things myself? I realize that TW5 is still in a state of flux 
but is there a dictionary of sorts that comprises the built-in functions 
somewhere and what would be the language needed to connect these building 
blocks in a meaningful way? 

Thanks
Chris

On Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:33:12 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
>
> Great to hear that you're enjoying TW5.
>
> Here's one way to get lists of outgoing and incoming links at the bottom 
> of each tiddler:
>
> 1. Create a new tiddler called say "$:/LinkyTemplate"
> 2. Set the body text to:
>
> 
>
> //Outlinks://
>
> {{{ [is[current]links[]] }}}
>
> //Inlinks://
>
> {{{ [is[current]backlinks[]] }}}
>
> 
>
> 3. Tag the tiddler "$:/tags/ViewTemplate"
> 4. Click the tick to save the tiddler
>
> You'd probably want to format things a bit better than that, of course.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>  
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Willy Tanner 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Mario
>>
>> that was a typo, I meant incoming links or backlinks (i.e. what links to 
>> this page?) as well as the opposite, i.e. all links pointing elsewhere.
>>
>> What you describe works but requires some mouseclicks and works only for 
>> incoming links, not outgoing links. In principle, I am looking for a macro 
>> that could be added to the template of every page so that this kind of 
>> information was automatically provided at the bottom of each tiddler. 
>> Admittedly, the backlins are more important to me.
>>
>> And thanks for the welcome words, I appreciate the encouraging atmosphere
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:10:36 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:36:36 PM UTC+2, Willy Tanner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone answer the question if one can automatically display 
>>>> ingoing and outgoing links of one tiddler and if so, how?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure, what is "ingoing" and "outgoing" links for you
>>>
>>> If you click the (i) info button and select the "References" tab, you 
>>> can see tiddlers, that have a reference to the actual tiddler in there text.
>>>
>>> If you cover [[some text]] it will create a tiddler link to a tiddler 
>>> named "some text". 
>>> or [[some text|myTiddler]] will create a "pretty link" to a tiddler 
>>> named myTiddler ... 
>>>
>>> see: 
>>> http://five.tiddlywiki.com/**static/WikiText<http://five.tiddlywiki.com/static/WikiText>for
>>>  more
>>>
>>> have fun!
>>> mario
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[tw] Re: just discovered Tiddlywiki5

[Willy Tanner]

Hi Mario

that was a typo, I meant incoming links or backlinks (i.e. what links to 
this page?) as well as the opposite, i.e. all links pointing elsewhere.

What you describe works but requires some mouseclicks and works only for 
incoming links, not outgoing links. In principle, I am looking for a macro 
that could be added to the template of every page so that this kind of 
information was automatically provided at the bottom of each tiddler. 
Admittedly, the backlins are more important to me.

And thanks for the welcome words, I appreciate the encouraging atmosphere

Chris


On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:10:36 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:36:36 PM UTC+2, Willy Tanner wrote:
>>
>> Can someone answer the question if one can automatically display ingoing 
>> and outgoing links of one tiddler and if so, how?
>>
>
> I'm not sure, what is "ingoing" and "outgoing" links for you
>
> If you click the (i) info button and select the "References" tab, you can 
> see tiddlers, that have a reference to the actual tiddler in there text.
>
> If you cover [[some text]] it will create a tiddler link to a tiddler 
> named "some text". 
> or [[some text|myTiddler]] will create a "pretty link" to a tiddler named 
> myTiddler ... 
>
> see: http://five.tiddlywiki.com/static/WikiText for more
>
> have fun!
> mario
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[tw] Re: just discovered Tiddlywiki5

[Willy Tanner]

Thanks, both very helpful, when I am better at finding my ways around in 
TW5 I hope to be able to contribute to filling in some gaps. Some tiddlers 
are placeholders, right, or am I just not seeing the content that should be 
there?

Can someone answer the question if one can automatically display ingoing 
and outgoing links of one tiddler and if so, how?

Thank you
Chris

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:18:40 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Welcome! Or should I say welcome back!
>
> Two quick comments:
>
> 1. Check out my "mall" at http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm with 
> tutorials on how to do different things in TiddlyWiki5.
>
> 2. Here is an example of a standalone TiddlyWiki 5, in Spanish, with over 
> 1500 tiddlers and 4MB. Works fine. http://giffmex.org/recursosgiffmex.htm
>
> Dave
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 1:11:14 PM UTC-5, Willy Tanner wrote:
>>
>> First time poster here
>> after a long career in various  information managment systems I 
>> accidentally stumbled across Tiddlywiki again, loaded TW5 and something 
>> immediately clicked. Why it did not when I first tried out TW around 2007 I 
>> can't say, perhaps I was not ready enough for the paradigm shift that is 
>> Tiddlywiki. 
>> Such a nice and lightweight tool but so powerful, too. 
>>
>> Because I don't tend to trust important information to Dropbox, I loaded 
>> TWedit and after some fiddling around got it to accept and send the html 
>> file to and from my own owncloud server. This bi-directional sync still 
>> involves manually "send to..." but it can be done, it takes seconds to see 
>> the edits done on my ipad appear on my Mac. I am still horrified that I 
>> might forget this push/pull once and accidentally lose the latest edits. 
>> Any ideas if there are ways to directly load the html file from my server 
>> such that the edits get synced automatically (with owncloud)? 
>>
>> And how well does Tiddlywiki scale, are hundreds or even thousands of 
>> tiddlers realistic? Most of my note-taking centers around collecting ideas 
>> around academic research projects and papers, hence mostly text with the 
>> occasional graphic thrown into the mix.
>>
>> Sorry for the unstructured post but I wanted to thank everyone involved 
>> in crafting this wonderfully versatile tool.
>>
>> Chris
>>
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Re: [tw] just discovered Tiddlywiki5

[Willy Tanner]

Hi Jeremy

I will certainly advertise Tiddlywiki. One thing I am not entirely clear 
about myself and this is going to come up in discussions with others is the 
reasoning behind the differences between Tiddlywiki5 markup and other 
versions of, most notably standard Markdown or Multimarkdown, which 
combined may have the biggest following these days. Note that I am not 
suggesting to adopt other markup systems used elsewhere, I am just not in a 
position to do so but it would help to understand what advantages if any 
would spring from learning yet another flavour of markup or if these are 
just alternative and exchangeable realizations of plain-text markup.

Regarding the syncing with owncloud: What you describe is precisely what I 
am doing and it works. The occasional error messages on the ipad can be 
ignored it seems but more problematic is the fact that on still has be 
absolutely clear on where the most recent version of one's TW5 wiki resides 
at any one moment. Opening the wrong one will overwrite previous changes 
and additions elsewhere no matter if the same tiddlers were altered on both 
sides or different ones, it is all or nothing. Therefore, if the 
granularity of the sync process could be finer, say on the level of 
individual tiddlers, that would reduce the possibilities of data loss 
greatly. But I don't know if the amount of coding necessary to achieve this 
would be even feasible and sadly, not being a programmer, I cannot 
contribute myself. There are many options out there and I realize that not 
all of them can be accounted for.

Thanks 
Chris

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:50:28 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
>
> Thanks for the kind words, I'm very glad you're enjoying TW5. I'd 
> encourage you to help spread the word if you can; projects like TiddlyWiki 
> depend on a growing community of users to stay healthy.
>
> I'm aware of OwnCloud but not familiar with it. I notice that there is an 
> iPad/iPhone app for OwnCloud. One possibility might be to save your changes 
> locally in TWEdit, and then use TWEdit's "open in" menu to open the saved 
> HTML file in the OwnCloud app. Then you'd have the convenience of a quick 
> cycle for saving changes, with a manual process required to move the 
> changes to OwnCloud.
>
> To get a better sync experience with OwnCloud we'd have to switch from 
> saving the entire file to syncing individual tiddlers (these are the two 
> different ways that TW5 allows changes to be saved). To do tiddler sync 
> we'd need some level of support from the OwnCloud server. It would also 
> open up the possibility of having individual tiddlers stored as separate 
> files in OwnCloud.
>
> It would be terrific if we can make it easier for people to use OwnCloud 
> with TW5
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Willy Tanner 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> First time poster here
>> after a long career in various  information managment systems I 
>> accidentally stumbled across Tiddlywiki again, loaded TW5 and something 
>> immediately clicked. Why it did not when I first tried out TW around 2007 I 
>> can't say, perhaps I was not ready enough for the paradigm shift that is 
>> Tiddlywiki. 
>> Such a nice and lightweight tool but so powerful, too. 
>>
>> Because I don't tend to trust important information to Dropbox, I loaded 
>> TWedit and after some fiddling around got it to accept and send the html 
>> file to and from my own owncloud server. This bi-directional sync still 
>> involves manually "send to..." but it can be done, it takes seconds to see 
>> the edits done on my ipad appear on my Mac. I am still horrified that I 
>> might forget this push/pull once and accidentally lose the latest edits. 
>> Any ideas if there are ways to directly load the html file from my server 
>> such that the edits get synced automatically (with owncloud)? 
>>
>> And how well does Tiddlywiki scale, are hundreds or even thousands of 
>> tiddlers realistic? Most of my note-taking centers around collecting ideas 
>> around academic research projects and papers, hence mostly text with the 
>> occasional graphic thrown into the mix.
>>
>> Sorry for the unstructured post but I wanted to thank everyone involved 
>> in crafting this wonderfully versatile tool.
>>
>> Chris
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[tw] just discovered Tiddlywiki5

[Willy Tanner]

First time poster here
after a long career in various  information managment systems I 
accidentally stumbled across Tiddlywiki again, loaded TW5 and something 
immediately clicked. Why it did not when I first tried out TW around 2007 I 
can't say, perhaps I was not ready enough for the paradigm shift that is 
Tiddlywiki. 
Such a nice and lightweight tool but so powerful, too. 

Because I don't tend to trust important information to Dropbox, I loaded 
TWedit and after some fiddling around got it to accept and send the html 
file to and from my own owncloud server. This bi-directional sync still 
involves manually "send to..." but it can be done, it takes seconds to see 
the edits done on my ipad appear on my Mac. I am still horrified that I 
might forget this push/pull once and accidentally lose the latest edits. 
Any ideas if there are ways to directly load the html file from my server 
such that the edits get synced automatically (with owncloud)? 

And how well does Tiddlywiki scale, are hundreds or even thousands of 
tiddlers realistic? Most of my note-taking centers around collecting ideas 
around academic research projects and papers, hence mostly text with the 
occasional graphic thrown into the mix.

Sorry for the unstructured post but I wanted to thank everyone involved in 
crafting this wonderfully versatile tool.

Chris

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