Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

[David Gifford]

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:53:11 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Rich
>
> I just downloaded a Blank TiddlyWiki to see what was in there.
>>
>> My observations of the Blank TW is that TiddlyWiki being CamelCased makes 
>> it a Tiddler Automagically.
>> I think that should be changed to a link just as WikiText is a link and 
>> not a Linking Tiddler.
>> That way you don't start out with missing Tiddlers or use a ~ so no link 
>> is created ~TiddlyWiki.
>>
>
> I've made some exploratory changes to GettingStarted for 5.1.6 that you 
> can see here:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/empty.html
>  
> Comments and suggestions welcome.
>
> Also why not put the TW Version # in the Title something like [[TiddlyWiki 
>> Version <>]]
>>
>
> The version number is at the top of the tools tab in the sidebar, as well 
> as in control panel.
>  
>
>> and is this the Tag line for TW? "a non-linear personal web notebook"
>> If it is then changing it does not make sense.
>>
>
> Yes, it's been TW's tag line since the beginning. Like the name TiddlyWiki 
> it started as a joke.
>
> In my link below I changed my subtitle to 'a personal Wiki'
>> I could see TW being used for a lot of things and I think the tag line 
>> limits peoples perceptions.
>> Reading it literally if I have no desire to use the web then why would I 
>> need a notebook for it.
>>
>
> Well, you're using the web whenever you use a web browser; TiddlyWiki is 
> built from the web.
>

What about "an unconventional personal notebook in your browser" 

p.s. I had a great laugh looking at synonyms for non-linear on the web: 
downwind, gory, Ruritanian, dishonest...

>  
>
>> I like TW as a Wiki and calling it something like 'a personal wiki' makes 
>> sense to most people, I think?
>> Or
>> 'A Personal Wiki for Making Anything'
>>
>
Wish it would make me breakfast. Alas, hasn't happened yet 

>
>> With ideas like this do we make Github pulls(I am a GitHub NOOB so 
>> forgive me for not doing it first).
>> Then make changes and post on our GitHub?
>>
>
> With big changes or new things it's usually best to raise new things here 
> or as a GitHub ticket for discussion before making a speculative pull 
> request.
>  
>
>> Since I am still a GitHub NOOB I made the mods I am discussing and posted 
>> them on my server.
>> http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW5-1-5-Empty.htm
>>
>> I also don't think it is too much to add some TW5 Usages in the 'Getting 
>> Started' Tiddler.
>> Something like,
>> People Use TiddlyWiki 5 for
>> X
>> Y
>> Z
>>
>
In the HelloThere tiddler at tiddlywiki.com, where you would expect to find 
such information, front and center there are these links. Don't think there 
needs to be anything in the empty for that. In Jeremy's prerelease there is 
a link to tiddlywiki.com, which is enough.


   - Some of the things you can do with TiddlyWiki 
   

   - Ten reasons to switch to TiddlyWiki 
   
   - Examples of TiddlyWiki being used in the wild 
   


 

> Last but not least, since Saving is such an issue why not have a 
>> 'Troubleshooting Guide to Saving TW5' as a Tiddler on TW.C?
>>
>
> There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading 
> empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for 
> empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.
>
> Again not sure how to add via GitHub, is there a guide on how to use TW 
>> with GitHub that I should read.
>>
>
> Have a look at http://tiddlywiki.com/dev.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy 
>
>  
>
>>
>> Thanks again everyone.
>>
>> Rich Shumaker
>>
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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Rich

> To avoid having to ~ all of them you could make a TiddlyWiki Shadow
Tiddler with a basic definition.

I think that's a good idea, what do others think? It could contain a basic
definition, and links to resources on tidlywiki.com.

> How is the save name coming along? Or is this a browser dependent thing?

I've not had a chance to look at it since the hangout, and some
investigation is needed to understand what's going on.

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:29 PM, RichShumaker 
wrote:
>
> Thanks Jeremy.
> Makes perfect sense about the Web Browser being TW primary tool and thus
> linked to the Web and the Tag Line being the same since the start(I thought
> that was the case).
> In regards to the Version # I seem to be the only one who thinks it should
> be more front and center so as with all things TW I can change it on mine.
> I was trying to put it where everyone saw it on start up but as you and
> Tobias have pointed out it is easily found in the Tools and the Control
> Panel.
>
> I like that there are now  Tiddlers in the Shadow Tiddlers.
>
> I also like that the Empty TW is Empty.
> All of the Control Panel TiddlyWiki are *Italics*
> To avoid having to ~ all of them you could make a TiddlyWiki Shadow
> Tiddler with a basic definition.
> I know you want to avoid Bloat so maybe just ~ them or leave them the way
> they are.
>
> How is the save name coming along? Or is this a browser dependent thing?
> I know there was a discussion on HangOut #72 about it.
> I like the idea of calling it 'TiddlyWiki.html' or
> 'TiddlyWiki-Empty.hmtl', I personally like the version in the title but I
> am in the minority on that one.
>
> Thank everyone for all your help.
>
> Rich Shumaker
>
> On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:20:10 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:
>>
>> There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading
>>> empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for
>>> empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.
>>>
>>
>> Also, let's not forget how much more manageable that online content is.
>> Having it (bundled as a plugin) in *empty.html* does come with the
>> benefit as well as the curse of being tied to the particular version it
>> shipped with.
>>
>> Best wishes, Tobias.
>>
>

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

[RichShumaker]

Thanks Jeremy.
Makes perfect sense about the Web Browser being TW primary tool and thus 
linked to the Web and the Tag Line being the same since the start(I thought 
that was the case).
In regards to the Version # I seem to be the only one who thinks it should 
be more front and center so as with all things TW I can change it on mine.
I was trying to put it where everyone saw it on start up but as you and 
Tobias have pointed out it is easily found in the Tools and the Control 
Panel.

I like that there are now  Tiddlers in the Shadow Tiddlers.

I also like that the Empty TW is Empty.
All of the Control Panel TiddlyWiki are *Italics*
To avoid having to ~ all of them you could make a TiddlyWiki Shadow Tiddler 
with a basic definition.
I know you want to avoid Bloat so maybe just ~ them or leave them the way 
they are.

How is the save name coming along? Or is this a browser dependent thing?
I know there was a discussion on HangOut #72 about it.
I like the idea of calling it 'TiddlyWiki.html' or 'TiddlyWiki-Empty.hmtl', 
I personally like the version in the title but I am in the minority on that 
one.

Thank everyone for all your help.

Rich Shumaker

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:20:10 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading 
>> empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for 
>> empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.
>>
>
> Also, let's not forget how much more manageable that online content is. 
> Having it (bundled as a plugin) in *empty.html* does come with the 
> benefit as well as the curse of being tied to the particular version it 
> shipped with.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

[Tobias Beer]

>
> There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading 
> empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for 
> empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.
>

Also, let's not forget how much more manageable that online content is. 
Having it (bundled as a plugin) in *empty.html* does come with the benefit 
as well as the curse of being tied to the particular version it shipped 
with.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Rich

I just downloaded a Blank TiddlyWiki to see what was in there.
>
> My observations of the Blank TW is that TiddlyWiki being CamelCased makes
> it a Tiddler Automagically.
> I think that should be changed to a link just as WikiText is a link and
> not a Linking Tiddler.
> That way you don't start out with missing Tiddlers or use a ~ so no link
> is created ~TiddlyWiki.
>

I've made some exploratory changes to GettingStarted for 5.1.6 that you can
see here:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/empty.html

Comments and suggestions welcome.

Also why not put the TW Version # in the Title something like [[TiddlyWiki
> Version <>]]
>

The version number is at the top of the tools tab in the sidebar, as well
as in control panel.


> and is this the Tag line for TW? "a non-linear personal web notebook"
> If it is then changing it does not make sense.
>

Yes, it's been TW's tag line since the beginning. Like the name TiddlyWiki
it started as a joke.

In my link below I changed my subtitle to 'a personal Wiki'
> I could see TW being used for a lot of things and I think the tag line
> limits peoples perceptions.
> Reading it literally if I have no desire to use the web then why would I
> need a notebook for it.
>

Well, you're using the web whenever you use a web browser; TiddlyWiki is
built from the web.


> I like TW as a Wiki and calling it something like 'a personal wiki' makes
> sense to most people, I think?
> Or
> 'A Personal Wiki for Making Anything'
>
> With ideas like this do we make Github pulls(I am a GitHub NOOB so forgive
> me for not doing it first).
> Then make changes and post on our GitHub?
>

With big changes or new things it's usually best to raise new things here
or as a GitHub ticket for discussion before making a speculative pull
request.


> Since I am still a GitHub NOOB I made the mods I am discussing and posted
> them on my server.
> http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW5-1-5-Empty.htm
>
> I also don't think it is too much to add some TW5 Usages in the 'Getting
> Started' Tiddler.
> Something like,
> People Use TiddlyWiki 5 for
> X
> Y
> Z
>
> Last but not least, since Saving is such an issue why not have a
> 'Troubleshooting Guide to Saving TW5' as a Tiddler on TW.C?
>

There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading
empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for
empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.

Again not sure how to add via GitHub, is there a guide on how to use TW
> with GitHub that I should read.
>

Have a look at http://tiddlywiki.com/dev.

Best wishes

Jeremy



>
> Thanks again everyone.
>
> Rich Shumaker
>
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[tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

[RichShumaker]

I just downloaded a Blank TiddlyWiki to see what was in there.

My observations of the Blank TW is that TiddlyWiki being CamelCased makes 
it a Tiddler Automagically.
I think that should be changed to a link just as WikiText is a link and not 
a Linking Tiddler.
That way you don't start out with missing Tiddlers or use a ~ so no link is 
created ~TiddlyWiki.

Also why not put the TW Version # in the Title something like [[TiddlyWiki 
Version <>]]
and is this the Tag line for TW? "a non-linear personal web notebook"
If it is then changing it does not make sense.

In my link below I changed my subtitle to 'a personal Wiki'
I could see TW being used for a lot of things and I think the tag line 
limits peoples perceptions.
Reading it literally if I have no desire to use the web then why would I 
need a notebook for it.

I like TW as a Wiki and calling it something like 'a personal wiki' makes 
sense to most people, I think?
Or
'A Personal Wiki for Making Anything'

With ideas like this do we make Github pulls(I am a GitHub NOOB so forgive 
me for not doing it first).
Then make changes and post on our GitHub?

Since I am still a GitHub NOOB I made the mods I am discussing and posted 
them on my server.
http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW5-1-5-Empty.htm

I also don't think it is too much to add some TW5 Usages in the 'Getting 
Started' Tiddler.
Something like,
People Use TiddlyWiki 5 for
X
Y
Z

Last but not least, since Saving is such an issue why not have a 
'Troubleshooting Guide to Saving TW5' as a Tiddler on TW.C?
Again not sure how to add via GitHub, is there a guide on how to use TW 
with GitHub that I should read.

Thanks again everyone.

Rich Shumaker

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