[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Patrick Sanders]

When I have several tiddlers open, but need only a subset of them, pressing 
breadcrumbs or selecting in the search list, jumps around in the 
Story-River.
Especially when I select an already opened tiddler, scroll down, scroll up 
to start, but get passed the beginning and I don't notice it.

What I would like is that a selected tiddler (breadcrumb or from search) is 
displayed at the top, so that I know the latest selected tiddlers are on 
the top.

Is there a way to manipulate the StoryList in Last Pressed Top Viewed (some 
kind of LIFO)?

I use the breadcrumb solution from http://tw5breadcrumbs.tiddlyspot.com/.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Glad you like it.

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:28:02 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Emmert wrote:
>
> Ton,
> I did a lot of digging into your left menu and got it working on my site 
> (even with a slightly different theme) - AND I LOVE IT!  Thank you for 
> putting this together.  My wiki is much more navigable now.  Many thanks!
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:59:16 PM UTC-5, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Jonathan Emmert]

Ton,
I did a lot of digging into your left menu and got it working on my site 
(even with a slightly different theme) - AND I LOVE IT!  Thank you for 
putting this together.  My wiki is much more navigable now.  Many thanks!

Jonathan

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:59:16 PM UTC-5, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>
> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>
> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Jeremy Ruston]

I've gone ahead with the change to the navigator widget to maintain the
"current-tiddler" field on the history list object:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/9bb600299f237f566e8aba6379c7bcdc8ed5e236

Best wishes

Jeremy.



On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> > ... which basically means to create a new feature request at github, to
> allow the list filter to understand the HistoryList content. ... I'd need
> to have a look at the source, if it does already.
>
> The problem of course at the moment is that the history list is a JSON
> tiddler containing an array, and so is not parseable by the current text
> reference mechanism.
>
> One way around this would be to extend the text reference syntax to be
> able to navigate more complex JSON structures.
>
> But a quick and dirty solution would be for the navigator to update a
> field on the history list called "current-tiddler" that contains the title
> of the tiddler at the top of the history stack. I'll have a look.
>
> For the "open" tab of the sidebar I'd like to have a slightly different
> behaviour: to highlight the tiddler(s) that are currently visible, taking
> the scrolling of the story river into account. That would match the
> behaviour of many docs sites (such as
> https://www.dropbox.com/developers/core/docs).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:03 PM, PMario  wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:11:20 PM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:50:51 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:

 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> .. If you open a new tiddler, the previous one is hidden, but its
> title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out color, as if they were
> in tabs.
>

>>
>>> If you open the "right sidebar: Tools:" menue and activate the "zoomin"
>>> view, you basically have the single page mode.
>>> Changing the "tab button" colors will be trickier. At the moment, there
>>> isn't any CSS class activated, to do different styling.
>>>
>>> So, I've been doing hours of digging, and perhaps you could help.
>>>
>>> So after installing breadcrumbs and selecting Zoomin, the goal is to get
>>> breadcrumbs working so that the breadcrumb for the currently open tiddler
>>> has a different color than the other breadcrumbs.
>>>
>>
>> As I wrote. Any mechanism, that does the selecting of visible tiddlers,
>> would be needed to add a class eg: tw-xxx-selected to the button of the
>> active tiddler. This class is needed to create propper CSS rules.
>>
>> Ton's _breadcrumbs tiddler is created with a list of buttons. ... If you
>> have a look at the "ButtonWidget" description, you'll see that there is a
>> "selectedClass" parameter. But for me it seems it is intended for a
>> different usecase.  but anyway ... experimenting needs to start there,
>> if you want to find out.
>>
>> Or you'll need a completely different approach.
>>
>> Since you want to style the active tiddlerXXXButton differently, you'll
>> need to have a look, which existing TW5 mechanism is similar, to what you
>> want.  As you wrote, it's the "right sidebar tab" handling. ... So the
>> starting point is: $:/core/ui/SideBarLists ... it uses the "<>" macro.
>> ... So I think, it could be used to create something that could be very,
>> similar to the "TiddlerTabsMacro" ... but you'd need to create everything
>> on your own, since Ton's approach is different.
>>
>> So it would be needed, to dynamically create the tabs for the <>
>> macro or create a new "breadcrumbs" widget / macro ... , that uses the 
>> $:/HistoryList
>> tiddler
>>
>>
>> The tiddler's which should help us seem to be $:/core/ui/SideBar/Open,
>>> $:/HistoryList, and $:/StoryList. I can't understand any of the stuff
>>> beyond seeing that those would be where to start.
>>>
>>
>> For me the StoryList is not the right info, to be used for a
>> functionality named " breadcrumbs". I'd use the $:/HistoryList to populate
>> the breadcrumbs.
>>
>> So it should be possible to write something like this:
>>
>> <$list filter="[list[$:/HistoryList]limit[10]]">...
>>
>>  ... which basically means to create a new feature request at github, to
>> allow the list filter to understand the HistoryList content. ... I'd need
>> to have a look at the source, if it does already.
>>
>> I know, this are no solutions, because atm for me some low level theme
>> functions are more important.
>>
>> At the moment, I'm removing probably "redundant" CSS rules from the
>> "vanilla" theme. I think the rules used there are way to specific, which
>> makes modding harder than it should be. Also switching / copying from one
>> theme to an other may destroy the layout. (As you saw already)
>>
>> eg: If you open the $:/core/ui/SideBarLists tiddler in the "story river"
>> and select the "Open:" or "More: Tags" tabs. Also open them in the right
>> sidebar. You see, the results are different. .. Which for me p

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Jeremy Ruston]

> ... which basically means to create a new feature request at github, to
allow the list filter to understand the HistoryList content. ... I'd need
to have a look at the source, if it does already.

The problem of course at the moment is that the history list is a JSON
tiddler containing an array, and so is not parseable by the current text
reference mechanism.

One way around this would be to extend the text reference syntax to be able
to navigate more complex JSON structures.

But a quick and dirty solution would be for the navigator to update a field
on the history list called "current-tiddler" that contains the title of the
tiddler at the top of the history stack. I'll have a look.

For the "open" tab of the sidebar I'd like to have a slightly different
behaviour: to highlight the tiddler(s) that are currently visible, taking
the scrolling of the story river into account. That would match the
behaviour of many docs sites (such as
https://www.dropbox.com/developers/core/docs).

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:03 PM, PMario  wrote:

> On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:11:20 PM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:50:51 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:

 .. If you open a new tiddler, the previous one is hidden, but its
 title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out color, as if they were
 in tabs.

>>>
>
>> If you open the "right sidebar: Tools:" menue and activate the "zoomin"
>> view, you basically have the single page mode.
>> Changing the "tab button" colors will be trickier. At the moment, there
>> isn't any CSS class activated, to do different styling.
>>
>> So, I've been doing hours of digging, and perhaps you could help.
>>
>> So after installing breadcrumbs and selecting Zoomin, the goal is to get
>> breadcrumbs working so that the breadcrumb for the currently open tiddler
>> has a different color than the other breadcrumbs.
>>
>
> As I wrote. Any mechanism, that does the selecting of visible tiddlers,
> would be needed to add a class eg: tw-xxx-selected to the button of the
> active tiddler. This class is needed to create propper CSS rules.
>
> Ton's _breadcrumbs tiddler is created with a list of buttons. ... If you
> have a look at the "ButtonWidget" description, you'll see that there is a
> "selectedClass" parameter. But for me it seems it is intended for a
> different usecase.  but anyway ... experimenting needs to start there,
> if you want to find out.
>
> Or you'll need a completely different approach.
>
> Since you want to style the active tiddlerXXXButton differently, you'll
> need to have a look, which existing TW5 mechanism is similar, to what you
> want.  As you wrote, it's the "right sidebar tab" handling. ... So the
> starting point is: $:/core/ui/SideBarLists ... it uses the "<>" macro.
> ... So I think, it could be used to create something that could be very,
> similar to the "TiddlerTabsMacro" ... but you'd need to create everything
> on your own, since Ton's approach is different.
>
> So it would be needed, to dynamically create the tabs for the <>
> macro or create a new "breadcrumbs" widget / macro ... , that uses the 
> $:/HistoryList
> tiddler
>
>
> The tiddler's which should help us seem to be $:/core/ui/SideBar/Open,
>> $:/HistoryList, and $:/StoryList. I can't understand any of the stuff
>> beyond seeing that those would be where to start.
>>
>
> For me the StoryList is not the right info, to be used for a functionality
> named " breadcrumbs". I'd use the $:/HistoryList to populate the
> breadcrumbs.
>
> So it should be possible to write something like this:
>
> <$list filter="[list[$:/HistoryList]limit[10]]">...
>
>  ... which basically means to create a new feature request at github, to
> allow the list filter to understand the HistoryList content. ... I'd need
> to have a look at the source, if it does already.
>
> I know, this are no solutions, because atm for me some low level theme
> functions are more important.
>
> At the moment, I'm removing probably "redundant" CSS rules from the
> "vanilla" theme. I think the rules used there are way to specific, which
> makes modding harder than it should be. Also switching / copying from one
> theme to an other may destroy the layout. (As you saw already)
>
> eg: If you open the $:/core/ui/SideBarLists tiddler in the "story river"
> and select the "Open:" or "More: Tags" tabs. Also open them in the right
> sidebar. You see, the results are different. .. Which for me points out,
> that there is a consistency problem.
>
> But to prove my ideas, I need to have something that looks exactly like
> the existing vanilla theme, and is easier to modify. I also want to have a
> responsive % based CSS layout for my desktop. So I can do a browser zoom to
> modify the text size without changing the proportions of the overall theme.
> A second theme needs to be optimized for mobile devices and

[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[PMario]

On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:11:20 PM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:50:51 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>>
>>> .. If you open a new tiddler, the previous one is hidden, but its 
>>> title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out color, as if they were 
>>> in tabs.
>>>
>>  

> If you open the "right sidebar: Tools:" menue and activate the "zoomin" 
> view, you basically have the single page mode. 
> Changing the "tab button" colors will be trickier. At the moment, there 
> isn't any CSS class activated, to do different styling. 
>
> So, I've been doing hours of digging, and perhaps you could help.
>
> So after installing breadcrumbs and selecting Zoomin, the goal is to get 
> breadcrumbs working so that the breadcrumb for the currently open tiddler 
> has a different color than the other breadcrumbs. 
>

As I wrote. Any mechanism, that does the selecting of visible tiddlers, 
would be needed to add a class eg: tw-xxx-selected to the button of the 
active tiddler. This class is needed to create propper CSS rules. 

Ton's _breadcrumbs tiddler is created with a list of buttons. ... If you 
have a look at the "ButtonWidget" description, you'll see that there is a 
"selectedClass" parameter. But for me it seems it is intended for a 
different usecase.  but anyway ... experimenting needs to start there, 
if you want to find out.

Or you'll need a completely different approach.

Since you want to style the active tiddlerXXXButton differently, you'll 
need to have a look, which existing TW5 mechanism is similar, to what you 
want.  As you wrote, it's the "right sidebar tab" handling. ... So the 
starting point is: $:/core/ui/SideBarLists ... it uses the "<>" macro. 
... So I think, it could be used to create something that could be very, 
similar to the "TiddlerTabsMacro" ... but you'd need to create everything 
on your own, since Ton's approach is different. 

So it would be needed, to dynamically create the tabs for the <> macro 
or create a new "breadcrumbs" widget / macro ... , that uses the $:/HistoryList 
tiddler 


The tiddler's which should help us seem to be $:/core/ui/SideBar/Open, 
> $:/HistoryList, and $:/StoryList. I can't understand any of the stuff 
> beyond seeing that those would be where to start. 
>

For me the StoryList is not the right info, to be used for a functionality 
named " breadcrumbs". I'd use the $:/HistoryList to populate the 
breadcrumbs.  

So it should be possible to write something like this: 

<$list filter="[list[$:/HistoryList]limit[10]]">...

 ... which basically means to create a new feature request at github, to 
allow the list filter to understand the HistoryList content. ... I'd need 
to have a look at the source, if it does already. 

I know, this are no solutions, because atm for me some low level theme 
functions are more important. 

At the moment, I'm removing probably "redundant" CSS rules from the 
"vanilla" theme. I think the rules used there are way to specific, which 
makes modding harder than it should be. Also switching / copying from one 
theme to an other may destroy the layout. (As you saw already)

eg: If you open the $:/core/ui/SideBarLists tiddler in the "story river" 
and select the "Open:" or "More: Tags" tabs. Also open them in the right 
sidebar. You see, the results are different. .. Which for me points out, 
that there is a consistency problem. 
 
But to prove my ideas, I need to have something that looks exactly like the 
existing vanilla theme, and is easier to modify. I also want to have a 
responsive % based CSS layout for my desktop. So I can do a browser zoom to 
modify the text size without changing the proportions of the overall theme. 
A second theme needs to be optimized for mobile devices and an other one 
for presentations. All of them need to be perfectly "switch-able"

In TWc I'm using my own percentage based themes. _All_ of them are 
compatible enough to switch between them without breaking the 
functionality. But those themes are kind of "old school" with super 
complicated StyleSheets. So using "new school" html5 and TW5 stuff will 
need some more work, if it should be easy to use too :)

have fun!
-mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Leo Staley]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:50:51 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>
>> .. If you open a new tiddler, the previous one is hidden, but its 
>> title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out color, as if they were 
>> in tabs.
>>
>
> If you open the "right sidebar: Tools:" menue and activate the "zoomin" 
> view, you basically have the single page mode. 
> Changing the "tab button" colors will be trickier. At the moment, there 
> isn't any CSS class activated, to do different styling. 
>
> -m
>

So, I've been doing hours of digging, and perhaps you could help.

So after installing breadcrumbs and selecting Zoomin, the goal is to get 
breadcrumbs working so that the breadcrumb for the currently open tiddler 
has a different color than the other breadcrumbs. 

The tiddler's which should help us seem to be $:/core/ui/SideBar/Open, 
$:/HistoryList, and $:/StoryList. I can't understand any of the stuff 
beyond seeing that those would be where to start. 

an alternate way of asking the question is, could we tell it to give the 
current tiddler special formatting if we tried doing it in 
$:/core/ui/SideBar/Open

This is as far as my understanding can take me. I'm exhausted. I would be 
enormously grateful to anybody who could help go further from here. 

goodnight folks. 
-Leo

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Leo,

On Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:39:09 PM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:55:18 AM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leo,
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, Ton! Great work.
>>>
>> Thanks.
>> First of all, I want to say I am an end-user like you; I'am not a 
>> developer/programmer. Keep that in mind.
>> I just want to share my experiments.
>>
>
> Duly noted! We are but two students comparing notes.
>  
>
>>  
>> I have thought about the colored breadcrumbs (tabs in Tiddlersbar), but 
>> at the moment I don't know how to implement that.
>> In tbGTD Tiddlersbar and tiddlers scroll together. I use purposely a 
>> fixed top menu and 'Tiddlersbar'.
>>
>
> You seem to have a working version close to what I'm talking about on your 
> personal site at http://www.tongerner.tk/. Unfortunately, I can't even 
> look behind the scenes at the tiddlers there to even try figuring out how 
> its working.
>

But that one is a TW Classic!
Menu structure made with Saq Imtiaz's DropDownMenuPlugin, 
TiddlersBarPlugin, a lot of horizontal/vertical tabs and CSS.

>
>  
>
>>
>>> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
>>> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
>>> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>>>
>>> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
>>> $:/_topmenu
>>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
>>> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
>>> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>>>
>>> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
>>> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>> When I drag/drop the following 4 tiddlers:
>>
>> $:/_topmenu
>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>>
>> into an empty TW5, I get working breadcrumbs on top, although you have to 
>> adjust the background color (see comments in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu).
>> There is a minor issue with the CSS of the close (x) at the end (a little 
>> bit too high).
>>
>> Save, reload an add or open a few tiddlers. It ought to work, I cannot 
>> reproduce your problem.
>>
>
> My problem was I was trying to follow the instructions by creating the 
> tiddlers myself. Happily, It worked (mostly) when I drag and dropped the 
> tiddlers instead.
>
In principle there is no difference between creating the tiddlers yourself 
and drag/drop since the code shown is the "real" code.

>
> I'm going to teach myself a bunch of CSS and try to get breadcrumbs bar to 
> show up just above the tiddler, like the TiddlersBar worked. 
>
> I'm also trying to add your other Top bar and left sidebar, and have met 
> with catastrophic results. The only other changes to the tiddlywiki are 
> that I have made are I changed a few values in the Theme Tweaks for 
> Vanilla, and I also installed another theme, but it isn't activated.
>
 
Don't mix the top menu with toolbar from tw5toolbar with the top & left 
menu from tw5topleft! That will NOT work by just drag & drop!
In principle they could be combined, but you need to know what you are 
doing.
If you want to do that start with the top menu from tw5toolbar and add a 
new button for the left menu.
Anyhow the height of the top menu need top be increased.
Check the comments in the stylesheets.

>
>
> Currently, after adding (via drag and drop) all the "required tiddlers" on 
> both tw5topleft and tw5toolbar, my page is all screwed up, and the 
> breadcrumbs are gone. It looks like this: 
>
> http://imgur.com/l4rEQzD
>
> I also didn't really understand anything of what you were saying about the 
> slider issue. I tried copy/pasting the code you gave into the LeftMenu 
> Tiddler, but no results. Tried also adding it to the pagemacros tiddler as 
> you suggested, and also, nothing. 
>

> Though, As I think about it, this might just be because I don't have all 
> of the Tiddlers that the left bar is referring to. 
>

Yes, that's the main issue: the left menu is - for Documentation and Menus 
- referring to tiddlers in the guide. The other entries will work since 
they are referring to system tiddlers.
As I already suggested in my answer to Danielo, it will be better to make a 
standard left menu as default (just ordinary links in it) and add the 
slider example to the "Some suggestions for menu entries".
Or I have to modify the slider menu so that it only links to system 
tiddlers that are needed for the functionality.

>
> I'm gonna keep messing with things. 
>
> Here is the TiddlyWiki I have right now.: 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B300Uw4EAaNoZHg4STYwNmdTSzQ/edit?usp=sharing
>

Keep experimenting, the best way to learn.
And although you can add tiddlers by drag & drop only, I tried to show in 
my guides what is needed. Have a look at 

[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Leo Staley]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:55:18 AM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Leo,
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Ton! Great work.
>>
> Thanks.
> First of all, I want to say I am an end-user like you; I'am not a 
> developer/programmer. Keep that in mind.
> I just want to share my experiments.
>

Duly noted! We are but two students comparing notes.
 

>  
> I have thought about the colored breadcrumbs (tabs in Tiddlersbar), but at 
> the moment I don't know how to implement that.
> In tbGTD Tiddlersbar and tiddlers scroll together. I use purposely a fixed 
> top menu and 'Tiddlersbar'.
>

You seem to have a working version close to what I'm talking about on your 
personal site at http://www.tongerner.tk/. Unfortunately, I can't even look 
behind the scenes at the tiddlers there to even try figuring out how its 
working. 
 

>
>> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
>> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
>> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>>
>> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
>> $:/_topmenu
>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>>
>  
>
>> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
>> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
>> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>>
>> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
>> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>>
>>
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> When I drag/drop the following 4 tiddlers:
>
> $:/_topmenu
> $:/_breadcrumbs
> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>
> into an empty TW5, I get working breadcrumbs on top, although you have to 
> adjust the background color (see comments in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu).
> There is a minor issue with the CSS of the close (x) at the end (a little 
> bit too high).
>
> Save, reload an add or open a few tiddlers. It ought to work, I cannot 
> reproduce your problem.
>

My problem was I was trying to follow the instructions by creating the 
tiddlers myself. Happily, It worked (mostly) when I drag and dropped the 
tiddlers instead.

I'm going to teach myself a bunch of CSS and try to get breadcrumbs bar to 
show up just above the tiddler, like the TiddlersBar worked. 

I'm also trying to add your other Top bar and left sidebar, and have met 
with catastrophic results. The only other changes to the tiddlywiki are 
that I have made are I changed a few values in the Theme Tweaks for 
Vanilla, and I also installed another theme, but it isn't activated. 


Currently, after adding (via drag and drop) all the "required tiddlers" on 
both tw5topleft and tw5toolbar, my page is all screwed up, and the 
breadcrumbs are gone. It looks like this: 

http://imgur.com/l4rEQzD

I also didn't really understand anything of what you were saying about the 
slider issue. I tried copy/pasting the code you gave into the LeftMenu 
Tiddler, but no results. Tried also adding it to the pagemacros tiddler as 
you suggested, and also, nothing.

Though, As I think about it, this might just be because I don't have all of 
the Tiddlers that the left bar is referring to. 

I'm gonna keep messing with things. 

Here is the TiddlyWiki I have right now.: 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B300Uw4EAaNoZHg4STYwNmdTSzQ/edit?usp=sharing

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:46:28 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello again Ton.
>
> At the end I got this working with this problems:
>
> * Since the possition is fixed I can not scroll down when the list is too 
> long.
>

I think you mean the left menu. Yes it is fixed (purposely I have to 
admit). Without experimenting I can't say anything worthwile ;}

* Because the stylesheet modifies the left margin of the story river, it 
> goes out of the screen (I have to scrool) when the right sideBar is hidden.
>

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. What goes out of the screen?

* Significant slow down of my TW.
>
 
Caused by the left menu? Sliders?

>
> Are you going to integrate the leftMenu with your topbar with buttons ?
>

To be honest: No, I do.t want to. It was just an experiment; left menu 
instead of top menu. I want to add more to the top menu.
 

> Anyway, I'll keep trying.
>

The best way to learn ;}

Cheers,

Ton 

>
> El miércoles, 12 de febrero de 2014 08:18:33 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez 
> escribió:
>>
>> Hello Ton.
>>
>> Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
>> useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
>> I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" 
>> are a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
>> Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
>> experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
>> to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.
>>
>> For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get 
>> your leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your 
>> slider macro?
>> \define slider(label,text)
>> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
>> filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
>> animate="yes">
>> $text$
>> 
>> \end
>>  I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) 
>> and now I can see the options. Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
>> I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:
>>
>> $:/_leftmenu 
>> $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
>> LeftMenu
>>
>> looks not enough.
>>
>> I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
>> have to work a little bit to make it work together. 
>>
>> Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
>> tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
>> do lot of work to "implement" new features.
>>
>> El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>>
>>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:46:28 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello again Ton.
>
> At the end I got this working with this problems:
>
> * Since the possition is fixed I can not scroll down when the list is too 
> long.
>

I think you mean the left menu. Yes it is fixed (purposely I have to 
admit). Without experimenting I can't say anything worthwile ;}

* Because the stylesheet modifies the left margin of the story river, it 
> goes out of the screen (I have to scrool) when the right sideBar is hidden.
>

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. What goes out of the screen?

* Significant slow down of my TW.
>
 
Caused by the left menu? Sliders?

>
> Are you going to integrate the leftMenu with your topbar with buttons ?
>

To be honest: No, I do.t want to. It was just an experiment; left menu 
instead of top menu. I want to add more to the top menu.
 

> Anyway, I'll keep trying.
>

The best way to learn ;}

Cheers,

Ton 

>
> El miércoles, 12 de febrero de 2014 08:18:33 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez 
> escribió:
>>
>> Hello Ton.
>>
>> Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
>> useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
>> I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" 
>> are a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
>> Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
>> experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
>> to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.
>>
>> For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get 
>> your leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your 
>> slider macro?
>> \define slider(label,text)
>> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
>> filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
>> animate="yes">
>> $text$
>> 
>> \end
>>  I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) 
>> and now I can see the options. Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
>> I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:
>>
>> $:/_leftmenu 
>> $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
>> LeftMenu
>>
>> looks not enough.
>>
>> I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
>> have to work a little bit to make it work together. 
>>
>> Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
>> tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
>> do lot of work to "implement" new features.
>>
>> El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>>
>>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,


On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:18:33 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello Ton.
>
> Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
> useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
>

Glad to hear. From previous posts I already know you like my customizations 
;)

> I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" 
> are a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
> Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
> experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
> to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.
>
> You are not negative at all. And I can imagine it will be difficult for 
newbies.
It is a good idea to point to other tutorials like Dave's TiddlyQuickly [2] 
and his mall [3] 

As mentioned at [1]:



*I started experimenting with TW5 at the end of September 2013 
(alpha10).Since I missed a few things in the layout I got used to in 
TiddlyWiki Classic, I started with modifying the layout of TW5.To share my 
knowledge, I made a few guides about my 'modifications'.*

My guides started as a personal notebook (yeah, the subtitle of 
TiddlyWiki!).
So I started experimenting with layout things and using TW5 to document my 
experiments as well.

For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get your 
> leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your slider 
> macro?
>

Oops, you are right. I added the slider macro to $:/core/ui/PageMacros so I 
could use it everywhere in my guide but forgot I need it separate for the 
menu with sliders in it.

 

> \define slider(label,text)
> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
> filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
> animate="yes">
> $text$
> 
> \end
>  I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) 
> and now I can see the options.
>

If you have to add the slider definition to LeftMenu, the separation of 
$:/_leftmenu and LeftMenu does not make sense anymore.
On second thought - the sliders link to tiddlers in my guide - I will 
change the left menu to 'basic' links to tiddlers and mention the sliders 
in "Some suggestions for menu entries" at the bottom of the Left menu 
tiddler.
 

> Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
> I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:
>
> $:/_leftmenu 
> $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
> LeftMenu
>
> looks not enough.
>
> I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
> have to work a little bit to make it work together. 
>

Did you see the link at the bottom of the "Top menu + breadcrumbs" tiddler? 
See second note, link 'adjusted' at the end. At first it was a - more 
prominent - slider.
May be, I have to emphasize it. It links to 'Stylesheet adjustments'
What is written there evolved from my own experiments to add breadcrumbs to 
my top menu with toolbar.
 

>
> Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
> tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
> do lot of work to "implement" new features.
>

I added the underscore to get all my system tiddlers on top of the list 
(less scrolling in the System tab).
Sorry for the inconvenience, but my guides are "work in progress"
 
Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
[2] http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html
[3] http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm



> El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Leo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:41:48 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> While we're on it, might as well offer my thoughts and stuff.
>
> Even though I couldn't get it working on my Tiddlywiki, I downloaded the 
> Tiddlywiki at http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/ and tried editing that 
> instead.
>
> Unfortunately, if I change themes, everything falls apart and uglifies 
> quick. Would it be possible to make a more theme-neutral stylesheet for the 
> breadcrumbs, top-bar, and leftbar? 
>
> It is based on the Vanilla/Snow White theme. I did not try it with other 
themes, so at the moment I can't say anything about that. 
 

> Also, would it be possible to emulate the effect in TiddlersBar, where the 
> currently open tiddler tab has a different color, perhaps by using 
> something with the zoomin view or something?  
>

As I already explained: I have thought about that but at the moment I don't 
know how to implement that.

Cheers,

Ton

>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:13:17 PM UTC-7, Leo Staley wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Ton! Great work. Even though the following suggestions may sound 
>> like criticism, I still intend to use this because it's so useful, even 
>> without addressing the following concerns.
>>
>> A great implementation of the TiddlersBarPlugin is 
>> hereat 
>> TobiBeer's 
>> tbGTD. 
>> The TiddlersBar Normally forces single page kind of view, so you're only 
>> ever viewing one Tiddler at a time. If you open a new tiddler, the previous 
>> one is hidden, but its title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out 
>> color, as if they were in tabs. The currently viewed Tiddler is a different 
>> color, so you can see which one you're in right now. Partly because of 
>> this, the area where they are displayed is limited to just above the open 
>> Tiddler, no further left, no further right. 
>>
>> Would you be able to adjust the code and/or CSS to bring those features 
>> back too? Or at least, would you be able to explain to me how to do it? Or 
>> some of them?
>>
>> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
>> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
>> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>>
>> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
>> $:/_topmenu
>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
>> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
>> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>>
>> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
>> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>>
>>
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:59:16 PM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>>
>>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Leo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> Hey, Ton! Great work.
>
Thanks.
First of all, I want to say I am an end-user like you; I'am not a 
developer/programmer. Keep that in mind.
I just want to share my experiments.
 

> Even though the following suggestions may sound like criticism, I still 
> intend to use this because it's so useful, even without addressing the 
> following concerns.
>
> A great implementation of the TiddlersBarPlugin is 
> hereat 
> TobiBeer's 
> tbGTD. 
> The TiddlersBar Normally forces single page kind of view, so you're only 
> ever viewing one Tiddler at a time. If you open a new tiddler, the previous 
> one is hidden, but its title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out 
> color, as if they were in tabs. The currently viewed Tiddler is a different 
> color, so you can see which one you're in right now. Partly because of 
> this, the area where they are displayed is limited to just above the open 
> Tiddler, no further left, no further right. 
>
> Would you be able to adjust the code and/or CSS to bring those features 
> back too? Or at least, would you be able to explain to me how to do it? Or 
> some of them?
>

I have thought about the colored breadcrumbs (tabs in Tiddlersbar), but at 
the moment I don't know how to implement that.
In tbGTD Tiddlersbar and tiddlers scroll together. I use purposely a fixed 
top menu and 'Tiddlersbar'.

>
> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>
> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
> $:/_topmenu
> $:/_breadcrumbs
> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>
 

> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>
> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>
>
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> When I drag/drop the following 4 tiddlers:

$:/_topmenu
$:/_breadcrumbs
$:/_stylesheet/topmenu
$:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs

into an empty TW5, I get working breadcrumbs on top, although you have to 
adjust the background color (see comments in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu).
There is a minor issue with the CSS of the close (x) at the end (a little 
bit too high).

Save, reload an add or open a few tiddlers. It ought to work, I cannot 
reproduce your problem.

Cheers,

Ton

>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:59:16 PM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[PMario]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> .. If you open a new tiddler, the previous one is hidden, but its 
> title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out color, as if they were 
> in tabs.
>

If you open the "right sidebar: Tools:" menue and activate the "zoomin" 
view, you basically have the single page mode. 
Changing the "tab button" colors will be trickier. At the moment, there 
isn't any CSS class activated, to do different styling. 

-m

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello again Ton.

At the end I got this working with this problems:

* Since the possition is fixed I can not scroll down when the list is too 
long.
* Because the stylesheet modifies the left margin of the story river, it 
goes out of the screen (I have to scrool) when the right sideBar is hidden.
* Significant slow down of my TW.

Are you going to integrate the leftMenu with your topbar with buttons ?
Anyway, I'll keep trying.

El miércoles, 12 de febrero de 2014 08:18:33 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez 
escribió:
>
> Hello Ton.
>
> Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
> useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
> I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" 
> are a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
> Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
> experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
> to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.
>
> For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get 
> your leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your 
> slider macro?
> \define slider(label,text)
> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
> filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
> animate="yes">
> $text$
> 
> \end
>  I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) 
> and now I can see the options. Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
> I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:
>
> $:/_leftmenu 
> $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
> LeftMenu
>
> looks not enough.
>
> I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
> have to work a little bit to make it work together. 
>
> Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
> tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
> do lot of work to "implement" new features.
>
> El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Ton.

Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" are 
a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.

For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get your 
leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your slider 
macro?
\define slider(label,text)
<$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
<$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
animate="yes">
$text$

\end
 I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) and 
now I can see the options. Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:

$:/_leftmenu 
$:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
LeftMenu

looks not enough.

I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
have to work a little bit to make it work together. 

Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
do lot of work to "implement" new features.

El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>
> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>
> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Leo Staley]

While we're on it, might as well offer my thoughts and stuff.

Even though I couldn't get it working on my Tiddlywiki, I downloaded the 
Tiddlywiki at http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/ and tried editing that 
instead.

Unfortunately, if I change themes, everything falls apart and uglifies 
quick. Would it be possible to make a more theme-neutral stylesheet for the 
breadcrumbs, top-bar, and leftbar? 

Also, would it be possible to emulate the effect in TiddlersBar, where the 
currently open tiddler tab has a different color, perhaps by using 
something with the zoomin view or something?  

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:13:17 PM UTC-7, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> Hey, Ton! Great work. Even though the following suggestions may sound like 
> criticism, I still intend to use this because it's so useful, even without 
> addressing the following concerns.
>
> A great implementation of the TiddlersBarPlugin is 
> hereat 
> TobiBeer's 
> tbGTD. 
> The TiddlersBar Normally forces single page kind of view, so you're only 
> ever viewing one Tiddler at a time. If you open a new tiddler, the previous 
> one is hidden, but its title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out 
> color, as if they were in tabs. The currently viewed Tiddler is a different 
> color, so you can see which one you're in right now. Partly because of 
> this, the area where they are displayed is limited to just above the open 
> Tiddler, no further left, no further right. 
>
> Would you be able to adjust the code and/or CSS to bring those features 
> back too? Or at least, would you be able to explain to me how to do it? Or 
> some of them?
>
> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>
> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
> $:/_topmenu
> $:/_breadcrumbs
> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>
> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:59:16 PM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Leo Staley]

Hey, Ton! Great work. Even though the following suggestions may sound like 
criticism, I still intend to use this because it's so useful, even without 
addressing the following concerns.

A great implementation of the TiddlersBarPlugin is 
hereat 
TobiBeer's 
tbGTD. 
The TiddlersBar Normally forces single page kind of view, so you're only 
ever viewing one Tiddler at a time. If you open a new tiddler, the previous 
one is hidden, but its title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out 
color, as if they were in tabs. The currently viewed Tiddler is a different 
color, so you can see which one you're in right now. Partly because of 
this, the area where they are displayed is limited to just above the open 
Tiddler, no further left, no further right. 

Would you be able to adjust the code and/or CSS to bring those features 
back too? Or at least, would you be able to explain to me how to do it? Or 
some of them?

Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.

I created all 4 Tiddlers,
$:/_topmenu
$:/_breadcrumbs
$:/_stylesheet/topmenu
$:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as required, 
(there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should have, so 
i've left its tags blank)

And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs display 
the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 


What am I doing wrong?


On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:59:16 PM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>
> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>
> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Julio Peña]

Hello Ton.

Good stuff...that can definitely come in handy!
I like it.


Regards,

Julio

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:59:16 PM UTC-5, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>
> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>
> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>

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