[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao BJ

Just a footnote on the linguistic irony that the phrase "lingua franca" is 
a mixed polyglot of medieval Mediterranean origin.

J.

BJ wrote:
>
> English is the lingua franca
>

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao tutti,

Very interesting posts. Moderate & understandable. 

Shows more interest in the language issue than I thought would be the case.

ONE point I'd like to make is that *IF your first language is not English 
then it can be a burden to cope with it*. Not everyone gets on well with a 
second language. I, for instance, despite living Italy a long time, can't 
say I can speak or write the language well. In my native English I can do 
anything. It Italian I can just about order a Carbonara. 

I think its significant the French TWikiers have a viable French forum. The 
French value their own language a lot (that is more than a cliche).

My interest in German, or, rather, the German speakers, is that they are 
HIGHLY important for TiddlyWiki. There are a LOT of them. Maybe more 
significant than English speakers? 

Anyway, I'm glad I started this thread. Even though it can't be my task to 
solve it.

Best wishes
Josiah


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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[BJ]

English is the lingua franca, so I think it would be best to keep the main 
forum in English. There is already a French language forum that is popular:
https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr/ so maybe there could be one for German 
speakers?


On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 8:09:57 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Can we have some threads in GERMAN?
>
> I'd like that. There are several prominent German speakers here. I could 
> just about cope. Not sure i could reply coherently. But I'd attempt it.
>
> IS TIDDLYWIKI discussion doomed to English? 
>
> German has GREAT facility to create CONCEPTS. 
>
> TiddlyWiki is such a strange thing it needs new concepts. German could 
> help.
>
> Thoughts from the off-hours side  
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah 
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[Thomas Elmiger]

Guten Tag allerseits :–)

I fee EXACTLY like Jan. 

I see great potential in promoting TW in more languages – there are many 
translations available. If this would be successful we could decide later if 
arising needs are best discussed in new groups or on stackexchange. 

Herzliche Grüsse
Thomas 

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[PMario]

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 8:09:57 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Can we have some threads in GERMAN?
>

IMO ... If we do so, it should be a new group. ... We already mixed TWc and 
TW5 here. .. We shouldn't mix languages too. 

just my 2 cents
mario

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[TonyM]

We all speak many languages and variations including technical ones, pseudo 
codes, jargon not to mention the common international languages. I have no 
doubt that language specific groups should be encouraged so new ideas are 
free flowing in different tongues. The most powerful networks consist of 
interconnected clusters with sufficient communications between each 
cluster. It is perhaps clear that English may be the glue given TW's 
history, or tiddlywikis "lingua franca" however it is also clear this is 
only the beginning.  

I would encourage the interchange of key terms found in different languages 
when that term can be defined (at length if necessary) and if it serves to 
capture a useful conceptual idea.

There is no doubt that German for one example has some wonderful compound 
words or hard to translate words that are very useful. Once you share the 
definition (via translation) we can use that word ourselves and need not 
translate, we simply use the word.

In such a loose network however we may need to have a shared glossary.

I for one would love to talk systems and ecological language (in English) 
speaking with some tiddlywiki enthusiasts.

Love the conversations, team.

Tony

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 4:09:57 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Can we have some threads in GERMAN?
>
> I'd like that. There are several prominent German speakers here. I could 
> just about cope. Not sure i could reply coherently. But I'd attempt it.
>
> IS TIDDLYWIKI discussion doomed to English? 
>
> German has GREAT facility to create CONCEPTS. 
>
> TiddlyWiki is such a strange thing it needs new concepts. German could 
> help.
>
> Thoughts from the off-hours side  
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah 
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[Arlen Beiler]

I don't care if you discuss things in German. Gmail has a translate
feature, I believe. It would probably be useful to make sure the subject is
also German so we can easily see that it is a German discussion. If you
come up with something good, you can always tell us in English in a new
thread. :)

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Jan  wrote:

> Hallo Josiah,
> eine kurze deutsche Antwort (very short because I will continue in
> English). Danke für das Lob und das Interesse. Ich glaube das Deutsche
> hilft dabei komplexe Probleme abzubilden, der Schlüssel zur Lösung von
> Problemen ist aber oft gerade die Übersetzung. The key to solving problems
> is in translation because it makes you see them from another angle. And it
> is a very good process to simplify complex problems by formulating them
> with the reduced means you got in another language. And to a language which
> is much closer to informatics because all the important terms there are
> English.
> This Mailinglist showing the force of Crowd/Swarm Intelligence which
> formulates itself in English.
> So I am happy to write in English and  I am also very happy if you native
> speakers are generous with my german-induced Typos (I involuntarily keep on
> typing Nouns with Capital Letters).
>
> Herzlich/Cordialment
> Jan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 05.09.2017 um 21:18 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> In practice I think getting German speakers to author from their first
> language could be a revelation. That doesn't mean we can't approximate it
> in English later. Its more about letting Germans THINK & ARTICULATE in
> German about TiddlyWiki. German is a very unusual language. Its immensely
> creative.
>
> J.
>
> Lost Admin wrote:
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>> I do not speak a word of German
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Re: [tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[Jan]

Hallo Josiah,
eine kurze deutsche Antwort (very short because I will continue in 
English). Danke für das Lob und das Interesse. Ich glaube das Deutsche 
hilft dabei komplexe Probleme abzubilden, der Schlüssel zur Lösung von 
Problemen ist aber oft gerade die Übersetzung. The key to solving 
problems is in translation because it makes you see them from another 
angle. And it is a very good process to simplify complex problems by 
formulating them with the reduced means you got in another language. And 
to a language which is much closer to informatics because all the 
important terms there are English.
This Mailinglist showing the force of Crowd/Swarm Intelligence which 
formulates itself in English.
So I am happy to write in English and  I am also very happy if you 
native speakers are generous with my german-induced Typos (I 
involuntarily keep on typing Nouns with Capital Letters).


Herzlich/Cordialment
Jan







Am 05.09.2017 um 21:18 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
In practice I think getting German speakers to author from their first 
language could be a revelation. That doesn't mean we can't approximate 
it in English later. Its more about letting Germans THINK & ARTICULATE 
in German about TiddlyWiki. German is a very unusual language. Its 
immensely creative.


J.

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I do not speak a word of German

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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

In practice I think getting German speakers to author from their first 
language could be a revelation. That doesn't mean we can't approximate it 
in English later. Its more about letting Germans THINK & ARTICULATE in 
German about TiddlyWiki. German is a very unusual language. Its immensely 
creative.

J.

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> I do not speak a word of German
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[tw] Re: Can we have some threads in GERMAN?

[Lost Admin]

I do not speak a word of German (except for the really bad german from the 
old 1970's Hogan's Heros, but that doesn't count).

I would not be at all offended if people who prefer to communicate in 
German did so. I would not be able to take part in any way, but that's my 
problem. I do not make the rules for this forum, so it's not up to me in 
any case.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:09:57 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Can we have some threads in GERMAN?
>
> I'd like that. There are several prominent German speakers here. I could 
> just about cope. Not sure i could reply coherently. But I'd attempt it.
>
> IS TIDDLYWIKI discussion doomed to English? 
>
> German has GREAT facility to create CONCEPTS. 
>
> TiddlyWiki is such a strange thing it needs new concepts. German could 
> help.
>
> Thoughts from the off-hours side  
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah 
>
>
>

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