[tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
I'll be honest. I don't understand the full significance of modules or how to do them. Is a module just a tiddler with the type set to javascript and the module type set to macro? The advantage of that over tagging a tiddler $:/tags/RawMarkup isn't obvious to me. A module is what makes TiddlyWiki tick, it's a functional bit of the clockwork, a gear, a spring, a handle, a winder... so there are different module-types that serve different purposes. A macro serves the purpose of providing a wikitext macro that works just like any other macro to the user. However, he would not have been able to construct that macro using wikitext-only. So, there sometimes is a need to create a javascript macro to do the heavy lifting... which might just be a lot less heavy than trying to do the same thing using wikitext-only. I notice in the size routine that you use a number of $tw.wiki.whatever and $tw.utils.something. I assume those are functions defined deep in TiddlyWiki's core. Is there existing documentation for those that I haven't found yet? yes, those are core functions, here of the *wiki* object or the *utils* namespace, either provide useful accessors to the underlying processes, *utils* help you work with all things tiddly and *wiki* gives you the basics of filtering and then writing to tiddlers, things like that. So, there are different collections of codebits, all of which you can explore in your browser's console by starting to type *$tw*... or in the GitHub repo. Some things are more complicated, other's are really straight forward, like many filters for example. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
But yes, you are absolutely right, if the core of TiddlyWiki were to change, it would be an awful endeavour to fix starting this bookmarklet based on that url encoded nastiness it is. Actually, a bookmarklet should be provided with a version in the title. I use that particular script of yours a lot so I'll be sorry if they decide to close that backdoor. I consider the bookmarklet answer to be inferior since that binds the use to a particular machine and installation. I use multiple computers, home. office, traveling laptop, etc. Rather than install the bookmarklet on multiple machines, some where I don't have the rights, my preference is to have the routine as part of the wiki. Then it is available wherever the wiki is available. I'm not sure, though, that you answered Mat's question: How do I integrate a javascript into TW? I think I mentioned: *modules* At least, that seems to be the official answer. Although, I would personally prefer something else. But I do understand that it's a safe choice. I'll be honest. I don't understand the full significance of modules or how to do them. Is a module just a tiddler with the type set to javascript and the module type set to macro? The advantage of that over tagging a tiddler $:/tags/RawMarkup isn't obvious to me. I notice in the size routine that you use a number of $tw.wiki.whatever and $tw.utils.something. I assume those are functions defined deep in TiddlyWiki's core. Is there existing documentation for those that I haven't found yet? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
Presumably the Javascript style used by Mr Ruston is worthy of attention of JS aficionados? I'd feel good if the JS I was learning was pointing towards TW and JermStyle scripting. I've done some coding in the past, but only with great help from Eric, Tobias and FND. I didn't pick up on the principals behind the design, partially because to appreciate it would required a strong background in development and computer science. Alex On 21 January 2015 at 15:09, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote: Could there be a learning group decicated to upskilling people who might be able to use a macro into people who can begin to learn JS in the TW way? This is why the dev group should be a github repo... one that doesn't (necessarily) have any content but is rather a place to post issues and discuss / edit code... which might eventually be part of that repo as best practice. Some TiddlyWiki would nice to showcase these things in the right context. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
There are coding conventions in TW which to the beginner JS programmer may find puzzling. For example in Tobias' example plugin we have a line which says tid = tid The actual line is: *tid = tid || GettingStarted* That's conceptually similar to the less puzzling line: *tid = tid + 1* which causes *tid* to be set to its own previous value + 1. In Tobias's example, the *||* symbol means or else, and the line causes *tid* to be set to either its current value, or else (if *tid* isn't currently set to anything) to *GettingStarted*. This is a common idiom for supplying a default value for a parameter in JavaScript. Tobias's example doesn't actually need to use the word *var* (which introduces a new variable), because *tid* has already been declared (as a parameter). – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
wise words Tobias, answers some of the questions I think about. put it in TB5? Alex On 21 January 2015 at 11:01, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mat, I found this little treasure of javascripts: JavaScript Kit - Free JavaScripts http://www.javascriptkit.com/cutpastejava.shtml BTW, that site also links to a site on DHTML. It looks a bit like a dusty treasure from the dark ages, refering to concepts from back then... which, of course are still usable today, like an ax is. ^^ What I mean is, DHTML is from a time when people thought it was good to write code this way... a href=# onclick=var x=2;callMyFunction(); style=color:AliceBlue click/a ...which is pure evil, throwing all the different aspects of a program into one bucket where eventually you never find the right spot ...or manage to manage that code, ever again. ...which makes me wonder, just how do I integrate a javascript into TW? I find very little info on tw .com on this, probably Modules http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Modules is the most informative one, which is not much. yes, writing things like modules: http://tiddlywiki.com/dev however, the task of TiddlyWiki(.com) cannot be to teach you JavaScript you will have to do that yourself please don't start with a site like the above, one with snippets from the 90ies better google javascript tutorial or learn javascript, etc... or some specific topic or take a look at: http://www.w3schools.com/js an even more fruitful endeavour would possibly be to start using node.js and all the bells and whistles You create a tiddler and set the type to XXX. You must surround the code with YYY and ZZZ. And for the core to execute it you must make sure that... you can start experiminenting with: Basic Javascript Macro @ tb5 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Basic%20Javascript%20Macro And if it is not a direct procedure, is there any way to tell how tricky it would be? it's JavaScript development and can get as tricky as I want to create something like this TiddlyWiki thing If anyone is kind enough to answer, please note I'm not a programmer so I'd really appreciate the dummies version. There really is no dummies version. There only is that process that you either (dare) start or you don't. Which means: you always start (feeling) as a dummy. Is this something we can use in TW? Actually, other than JavaScript, HTML and CSS what is directly applicable in TW? Most importantly: - Go about it differently! Don't ask: - What could I possibly do? Ask: - What do I want to do? - Why do I want to do that? - be clear about your goals - ask that five times over to get to the heart of your motives - What steps need to be taken? - compartmentalize and modularize - you'll never do it all at once - Will I need help with any of it? - Where? From Whom? - What is the next step? - and the next step There is no universal guidebook to any of that. You need to walk every little step along the way... yourself. Sometimes, you have a mentor to ask and reply, sometimes you have awesome tutorials that help you learn, some of which ask you to pay a buck: https://www.codeschool.com I know jQuery is basically JavaScript so this should work, right? Other languages? jQuery is not a language, it's a framework, a library, an abstraction layer wrapped around the language that is JavaScript. So far, I have yet to see someone use it in TW5. This process would start with properly making the library available in TW5 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywikidev/jquery$20tw5/tiddlywikidev/zT9fXP-iE2o/eNyy90i_QHoJ . There are different kinds of abstractions that facilitate working with JavaScript. A totally different approach would be CoffeeScript http://coffeescript.org/. All of this does not matter so much, at all. What matters is that you find a goal and then take on that challenge and adventure of figuring out how to make it work. It will be a slow process, it will require lots of learning, you will make abundant mistakes — coding always comes with nasty bugs and stumbling blocks — you will discard mountains of superfluous and redundant, if not false stuff, go ahead a step and back two. I sure encourage anyone to join the dancers... but the most important thing is to swing those limbs, not to read swinging for dummies ...unless that actually helps you do just that. ^^ Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are
[tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
Hi Mat, I found this little treasure of javascripts: JavaScript Kit - Free JavaScripts http://www.javascriptkit.com/cutpastejava.shtml BTW, that site also links to a site on DHTML. It looks a bit like a dusty treasure from the dark ages, refering to concepts from back then... which, of course are still usable today, like an ax is. ^^ What I mean is, DHTML is from a time when people thought it was good to write code this way... a href=# onclick=var x=2;callMyFunction(); style=color:AliceBlue click/a ...which is pure evil, throwing all the different aspects of a program into one bucket where eventually you never find the right spot ...or manage to manage that code, ever again. ...which makes me wonder, just how do I integrate a javascript into TW? I find very little info on tw .com on this, probably Modules http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Modules is the most informative one, which is not much. yes, writing things like modules: http://tiddlywiki.com/dev however, the task of TiddlyWiki(.com) cannot be to teach you JavaScript you will have to do that yourself please don't start with a site like the above, one with snippets from the 90ies better google javascript tutorial or learn javascript, etc... or some specific topic or take a look at: http://www.w3schools.com/js an even more fruitful endeavour would possibly be to start using node.js and all the bells and whistles You create a tiddler and set the type to XXX. You must surround the code with YYY and ZZZ. And for the core to execute it you must make sure that... you can start experiminenting with: Basic Javascript Macro @ tb5 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Basic%20Javascript%20Macro And if it is not a direct procedure, is there any way to tell how tricky it would be? it's JavaScript development and can get as tricky as I want to create something like this TiddlyWiki thing If anyone is kind enough to answer, please note I'm not a programmer so I'd really appreciate the dummies version. There really is no dummies version. There only is that process that you either (dare) start or you don't. Which means: you always start (feeling) as a dummy. Is this something we can use in TW? Actually, other than JavaScript, HTML and CSS what is directly applicable in TW? Most importantly: - Go about it differently! Don't ask: - What could I possibly do? Ask: - What do I want to do? - Why do I want to do that? - be clear about your goals - ask that five times over to get to the heart of your motives - What steps need to be taken? - compartmentalize and modularize - you'll never do it all at once - Will I need help with any of it? - Where? From Whom? - What is the next step? - and the next step There is no universal guidebook to any of that. You need to walk every little step along the way... yourself. Sometimes, you have a mentor to ask and reply, sometimes you have awesome tutorials that help you learn, some of which ask you to pay a buck: https://www.codeschool.com I know jQuery is basically JavaScript so this should work, right? Other languages? jQuery is not a language, it's a framework, a library, an abstraction layer wrapped around the language that is JavaScript. So far, I have yet to see someone use it in TW5. This process would start with properly making the library available in TW5 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywikidev/jquery$20tw5/tiddlywikidev/zT9fXP-iE2o/eNyy90i_QHoJ . There are different kinds of abstractions that facilitate working with JavaScript. A totally different approach would be CoffeeScript http://coffeescript.org/. All of this does not matter so much, at all. What matters is that you find a goal and then take on that challenge and adventure of figuring out how to make it work. It will be a slow process, it will require lots of learning, you will make abundant mistakes — coding always comes with nasty bugs and stumbling blocks — you will discard mountains of superfluous and redundant, if not false stuff, go ahead a step and back two. I sure encourage anyone to join the dancers... but the most important thing is to swing those limbs, not to read swinging for dummies ...unless that actually helps you do just that. ^^ Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
a href=# onclick=var x=2;callMyFunction(); style=color:AliceBlue click/a ...which is pure evil, throwing all the different aspects of a program into one bucket where eventually you never find the right spot ...or manage to manage that code, ever again. From the gentleman who brought this bit of code: a href=javascript:void((function()%7Bvar%20e%3D%22%5B!is%5Bshadow%5D!is%5Bsystem%5D%5D%22%2Ct%3Dprompt(%22Please%20define%20a%20filter...%22%2Ce)%3Be%3Dt%7C%7Ce%3Bvar%20n%3D%5B%5D%3B%24tw.utils.each(%24tw.wiki.filterTiddlers(e)%2Cfunction(e)%7Bvar%20t%3D0%2Cr%3D%24tw.wiki.getTiddler(e)%3Bn.push(%7Btitle%3Ae%2Csize%3A%24tw.wiki.getTiddlerAsJson(e).length.toString()%2Cfields%3AObject.keys(r.fields).length%2Ctype%3Ar.fields%5B%22type%22%5D%7C%7C%22%22%7D)%7D)%3Bn.sort(function(e%2Ct)%7Breturn%20t.size-e.size%7D)%3Bvar%20r%3D%22%22%3B%24tw.utils.each(n%2Cfunction(e)%7Br%2B%3De.size%2B%22%20%5B%5B%22%2Be.title%2B%22%5D%5D%2C%20%22%2Be.fields%2B%22%20fields%22%2B(e.type%3F%22%2C%20%22%2Be.type%3A%22%22)%2B%22%5Cn%22%7D)%3Bvar%20i%3D%22%24%3A%2FStoryList%22%2Cs%3D%22%24%3A%2Ftemp%2Ftiddler-sizes%22%2Co%3D%24tw.wiki.getTiddlerList(i)%3B%24tw.wiki.addTiddler(new%20%24tw.Tiddler(%7Btitle%3As%2Ctext%3A'%22%22%22%5Cn'%2Br%2B'%22%22%22'%7D))%3Bif(o.indexOf(s)%3D%3D%3D-1)%7Bo.unshift(s)%7D%24tw.wiki.addTiddler(new%20%24tw.Tiddler(%7Btitle%3Ai%7D%2C%24tw.wiki.getTiddler(i)%2C%7Blist%3Ao%7D))%3Bconsole.log(r)%7D)())%3B title=Bookmark me!tiddler sizes/a in http://tbdemo.tiddlyspot.com/#Draft%20of%20%27Console%20Log%20Of%20Tiddler%20Sizes%27 I'm not sure, though, that you answered Mat's question: How do I integrate a javascript into TW? Only some non-TW javascripts can be incorporated in TW at all. Nothing requiring a modification of the body element such as body onload=dynAnimation8() will work. Nothing that uses a OnClick= like input type=button value= 1 onClick=head1() will work because TW with its security concerns strips away the OnClick. Nothing that requires the script to be located at a specific location such as immediately after a textarea will work. Javascripts that can be completely contained in the head/head section and interact with named elements or windows components may work. Javascripts that can be completely self contained like Tobias' Console Log Of Tiddler Sizes may work. Scripts that are stored in the head/head section can be handled in TW by giving the tiddler the tag $:/tags/RawMarkup You can invoke a javascript by using the same trick Tobias used in the bit of code above by entering a href=javascript:head1()Click here for javascript head1/a. You can use this, sometimes, to get around the OnClick restriction. If a task is possible using TW systems and components, then do it that way. If you're going to play with Javascripts and TW, then do lot's of backups. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
answers some of the questions I think about. put it in TB5? http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Code-101 Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
Could there be a learning group decicated to upskilling people who might be able to use a macro into people who can begin to learn JS in the TW way? This is why the dev group should be a github repo... one that doesn't (necessarily) have any content but is rather a place to post issues and discuss / edit code... which might eventually be part of that repo as best practice. Some TiddlyWiki would nice to showcase these things in the right context. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
I think we are approaching the barrier between keen user and developer. Keen user would like a the learning curve associated with using TW to develop in a similarly pleasant manner onto the foothills of Javascript so that Keen User can begin to become more of a developer. I think Tobias has addressed this: sadly its not as simple as Keen User would like. Some of the design decision associated with TW makes an ordinary Javascript course having little value. There are coding conventions in TW which to the beginner JS programmer may find puzzling. For example in Tobias' example plugin we have a line which says tid = tid var tid = tid I think there is a demand for learning JS in the TW way for Keen Users -- I'd include myself in this. Could there be a learning group decicated to upskilling people who might be able to use a macro into people who can begin to learn JS in the TW way? best wishes Alex On 21 January 2015 at 14:32, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote: From the gentleman who brought this bit of code: There's a mild difference. This thing is not designed to run in the context of a page. It's intended for a browser to just run it. But yes, you are absolutely right, if the core of TiddlyWiki were to change, it would be an awful endeavour to fix starting this bookmarklet based on that url encoded nastiness it is. Actually, a bookmarklet should be provided with a version in the title. I'm not sure, though, that you answered Mat's question: How do I integrate a javascript into TW? I think I mentioned: *modules* At least, that seems to be the official answer. Although, I would personally prefer something else. But I do understand that it's a safe choice. Nothing requiring a modification of the body element such as body onload=dynAnimation8() will work. There shouldn't be code that requires you to do that and if there is, it's from the dark ages. Nothing that uses a OnClick= like input type=button value= 1 onClick=head1() will work because TW with its security concerns strips away the OnClick. Same thing, it's simply no longer how you bind functions to events ...unless you want to keep doing it that way, which will not be supported in TiddlyWiki, by default. Nothing that requires the script to be located at a specific location such as immediately after a textarea will work. You an write code that does just that, only you will have to wrap it in a module and figure out the appropriate way to bind it to that textarea. JavaScripts that can be completely contained in the head/head section and interact with named elements or windows components may work. Scripts that are stored in the head/head section can be handled in TW by giving the tiddler the tag $:/tags/RawMarkup including a 3rd party library @ dev5 http://dev5.tiddlyspot.com/#including%20a%203rd%20party%20library Javascripts that can be completely self contained like Tobias' Console Log Of Tiddler Sizes may work. It's actually not so self-contained in that it relies upon core functions of TiddlyWiki to actually do its thing. You can invoke a javascript by using the same trick Tobias used in the bit of code above by entering a href=javascript:head1()Click here for javascript head1/a. You can use this, sometimes, to get around the OnClick restriction. It looks like this won't be available for too long... https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1350 I sure hope that this ticket will be implemented in a way that you do get an option to activate it. If a task is possible using TW systems and components, then do it that way. If you're going to play with Javascripts and TW, then do lot's of backups. ...and use your browser console, a decent text-editor, version control, etc... Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Free JavaScripts site! - how install?
From the gentleman who brought this bit of code: There's a mild difference. This thing is not designed to run in the context of a page. It's intended for a browser to just run it. But yes, you are absolutely right, if the core of TiddlyWiki were to change, it would be an awful endeavour to fix starting this bookmarklet based on that url encoded nastiness it is. Actually, a bookmarklet should be provided with a version in the title. I'm not sure, though, that you answered Mat's question: How do I integrate a javascript into TW? I think I mentioned: *modules* At least, that seems to be the official answer. Although, I would personally prefer something else. But I do understand that it's a safe choice. Nothing requiring a modification of the body element such as body onload=dynAnimation8() will work. There shouldn't be code that requires you to do that and if there is, it's from the dark ages. Nothing that uses a OnClick= like input type=button value= 1 onClick=head1() will work because TW with its security concerns strips away the OnClick. Same thing, it's simply no longer how you bind functions to events ...unless you want to keep doing it that way, which will not be supported in TiddlyWiki, by default. Nothing that requires the script to be located at a specific location such as immediately after a textarea will work. You an write code that does just that, only you will have to wrap it in a module and figure out the appropriate way to bind it to that textarea. JavaScripts that can be completely contained in the head/head section and interact with named elements or windows components may work. Scripts that are stored in the head/head section can be handled in TW by giving the tiddler the tag $:/tags/RawMarkup including a 3rd party library @ dev5 http://dev5.tiddlyspot.com/#including%20a%203rd%20party%20library Javascripts that can be completely self contained like Tobias' Console Log Of Tiddler Sizes may work. It's actually not so self-contained in that it relies upon core functions of TiddlyWiki to actually do its thing. You can invoke a javascript by using the same trick Tobias used in the bit of code above by entering a href=javascript:head1()Click here for javascript head1/a. You can use this, sometimes, to get around the OnClick restriction. It looks like this won't be available for too long... https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1350 I sure hope that this ticket will be implemented in a way that you do get an option to activate it. If a task is possible using TW systems and components, then do it that way. If you're going to play with Javascripts and TW, then do lot's of backups. ...and use your browser console, a decent text-editor, version control, etc... Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
