[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
Another alternative is to skip WIKI formatting altogether and use a visual editor that inserts HTML instead. I'm pretty sure there is a plugin around somewhere, I know I've used it in the past. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/SszIf5BCmlAJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
On Jul 10, 11:22 pm, Sub subfa...@googlemail.com wrote: @nemo: Wow! I'm coming from MW so this is extremely useful, thanks! So proper line-break parsing IS possible!? Would it be possible to to create paragraphs as MW does?: To be honest, I don't know. I added it to one of my TW instances because I wanted to do a few tricks beyond what TW tables could do (in fact, though I agree with the 'table cells should be for singular datum' argument, I think I originally installed because I *was* abusing it for layouts with lists!) Beyond that, I've barely used it, generally preferring to keep my markup as otherwise simple and plain-text like as possible Best bet would be to install and see what it can do :) cheers .../Nemo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
Another solution on the table: The mediawiki tables formatter plugin. http://devpad.tiddlyspot.com/#MediaWikiTableFormatterPlugin Mediawiki syntax is arguably as mainstream as wiki syntax gets (though it does get crazily complex in some cases - much more than anything I've seen in my own TW usage), and I know from use that it solves this usage case. :) .../Nemo On Jul 10, 4:30 pm, Scott Simmons goo...@secret-hq.com wrote: Hi, Sub — Assuming you (or someone who comes along later) is interested in a simple workaround, I'll venture mentioning this one: |first list|•list item 1br•list item 2br•list item 3| |second list|•list item 1br•list item 2| I don't think you mentioned which two workarounds you found, but that's the simplest one I know of — and should be pretty easy to demonstrate to anyone who's comfortable with TiddlyWiki. True, it's not a proper UL list — but, as HansBKK explained, embedding a list inside a table cell isn't part of the intended basic functionality of the web. Workaround isn't always a dirty word. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
To explain the workaround / colleagues thingy: I do have a clue and don't mind using hack solutions. I use TW as a shared wiki at work with colleagues who never edited Wikipedia or used HTML tags before. It's hard to communicate TW as proper wiki solution when basic features as this are not supported. Even more when the support forum replies it's not needed and we should Excel for our website layout etc... @Scott Simmons: as HansBKK explained, embedding a list inside a table cell isn't part of the intended basic functionality of the web. I don't think that's the reason why TW doesn't suport this. It's the old line break problem again imo. @nemo: Wow! I'm coming from MW so this is extremely useful, thanks! So proper line-break parsing IS possible!? Would it be possible to to create paragraphs as MW does?: Foo Bar would return pFoo/p pBar/p instead of FoobrbrBar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
Thanks for the reply, but it's just another complicated hack solution for a simple thing like a list in a table cell. I'm using TW at work and solutions like this are useless since you cannot seriously explain it to your colleagues. On Jul 8, 4:12 pm, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sub |cell|* list item 1 *list item 2| |cell|cell| I searched and found 2 hack solutions which are not practicable at all. Is there a proper solution? Basic tools in TW are macros. One way to insert multiline content into a tablecell is to use the tiddlermacro: tiddler TiddlerTitle or more detailed tiddler TiddlerTitle##TiddlerSection or tiddler TiddlerTitle::tiddlerslice If you want to show a list in a cell you can do it like this: |tiddler TiddlerTitle| where [[TiddlerTitle]] contains the list - or you can put the list in a hidden section in the current tiddler containing the table - like this: |tiddler TiddlerTitle##List| /% !List *ListItem#1 *ListItem#2 !end %/ Cheers Måns Mårtensson (Btw - I'm NOT a programmer - just using TW for everything I can think of...) All these missing BASIC features are the reason why TW will never be used by the masses. It's only cool for users who have experience in Skriv teksten til 'New Tiddler 'prgramming / webdesign. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
On Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:03:11 PM UTC+7, Sub wrote: Thanks for the reply, but it's just another complicated hack solution for a simple thing like a list in a table cell. I'm using TW at work and solutions like this are useless since you cannot seriously explain it to your colleagues. Putting a list into a table cell requires such workarounds because it's something that the designers of the web never intended. You're trying to use a table for layout, trying to get a certain display of your content within a tiddler, correct? In HTML a table cell is designed to hold a single datum, since a table is intended to lay out tabular data, as in a database table. You should be using CSS for layout, but that does take a certain amount of knowledge and experience. Maybe you should be using something like Excel for layout, might be more appropriate for your and your colleague's skill level. . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/_mIMKZfYOP4J. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
Stop guessing purposes and judging other people by single posts on the internet you troll. Putting a list into a table cell requires such workarounds because it's something that the designers of the web never intended. LOL!! On Jul 9, 6:52 pm, HansBKK hans...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:03:11 PM UTC+7, Sub wrote: Thanks for the reply, but it's just another complicated hack solution for a simple thing like a list in a table cell. I'm using TW at work and solutions like this are useless since you cannot seriously explain it to your colleagues. Putting a list into a table cell requires such workarounds because it's something that the designers of the web never intended. You're trying to use a table for layout, trying to get a certain display of your content within a tiddler, correct? In HTML a table cell is designed to hold a single datum, since a table is intended to lay out tabular data, as in a database table. You should be using CSS for layout, but that does take a certain amount of knowledge and experience. Maybe you should be using something like Excel for layout, might be more appropriate for your and your colleague's skill level. . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
Stop guessing purposes and judging other people by single posts on the internet you troll. This is a *very* friendly group. Unlike other groups, many people in the TW community are quick to offer their assistance, and we do NOT insult people here, regardless of the questions, or the responses! You began, reasonably enough, by asking for help from the TW community to solve a problem you are facing, but regrettably also included some unneeded negative commentary about how TW will never be used by the masses, a statement that is sure to annoy at least some people in this group. Then, after a *work-around* solution was presented by @Mans, you responded in a dismissive and unpleasant manner, calling the offered help useless because *you* feel unable to explain it well enough to your co-workers. Even if this work-around doesn't actually help your particular use- case, you might consider that *other people* might find the responses informative or useful, even if you don't. In addition, when @HansBKK offered another perspective on the topic, he was not judging or disrespecting you in any way. However, after similarly dismissing his thoughts without any discussion, you responded with a *personal attack* by calling him a troll. Frankly, I find *your* the style of communication to be troll-ish as well as being paradoxically both self-defeating (working against your own goals) AND self-fulfilling (matching your negative expectations) at the same time: You ask for help, but respond with negativity that discourages people from wanting to put in any effort to help you find a simple, effective solution to your particular problem. This, in turn, reinforces your perception that TiddlyWiki is missing BASIC features and will never be used by the masses because it consists of complicated hack solution(s) for a simple thing(s). I *strongly* suggest that, before you consider asking this group for help again, you should post a suitable *public* apology to both Mans and HansBKK. Then, moving forward, leave the negative attitude at the door and show some basic manners and courtesy when people attempt to offer their assistance. Note: if the negativity continues, I will unsubscribe you from the group and block your posts (something I have, thus far, only done to *spammers*). -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios (and TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWikiDev GoogleGroups administrator) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
I'm sorry if you're affended by my reply, but I'm not sorry for reacting this way to HansBKK's troll attack against me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Lists in tables?
My inentention of this thread may have been only showing my disappointment for missing basic features such as lists in table cells rather than looking for a simple solution. My first reply to Mans may sound negative because he only wanted to help (and I thanked him for that) but actually it's only negative against TW which you of course feel attacked by. But I def do not apologize for my reply to HansBKK's flame attack against me. On Jul 9, 11:55 pm, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote: Stop guessing purposes and judging other people by single posts on the internet you troll. This is a *very* friendly group. Unlike other groups, many people in the TW community are quick to offer their assistance, and we do NOT insult people here, regardless of the questions, or the responses! You began, reasonably enough, by asking for help from the TW community to solve a problem you are facing, but regrettably also included some unneeded negative commentary about how TW will never be used by the masses, a statement that is sure to annoy at least some people in this group. Then, after a *work-around* solution was presented by @Mans, you responded in a dismissive and unpleasant manner, calling the offered help useless because *you* feel unable to explain it well enough to your co-workers. Even if this work-around doesn't actually help your particular use- case, you might consider that *other people* might find the responses informative or useful, even if you don't. In addition, when @HansBKK offered another perspective on the topic, he was not judging or disrespecting you in any way. However, after similarly dismissing his thoughts without any discussion, you responded with a *personal attack* by calling him a troll. Frankly, I find *your* the style of communication to be troll-ish as well as being paradoxically both self-defeating (working against your own goals) AND self-fulfilling (matching your negative expectations) at the same time: You ask for help, but respond with negativity that discourages people from wanting to put in any effort to help you find a simple, effective solution to your particular problem. This, in turn, reinforces your perception that TiddlyWiki is missing BASIC features and will never be used by the masses because it consists of complicated hack solution(s) for a simple thing(s). I *strongly* suggest that, before you consider asking this group for help again, you should post a suitable *public* apology to both Mans and HansBKK. Then, moving forward, leave the negative attitude at the door and show some basic manners and courtesy when people attempt to offer their assistance. Note: if the negativity continues, I will unsubscribe you from the group and block your posts (something I have, thus far, only done to *spammers*). -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios (and TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWikiDev GoogleGroups administrator) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
