Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

Awesome. Thank you! 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:49:55 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Yes. The filter needs to change. You can try this for the list-based 
> english fields:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[Lexeme]each:list-item[english]sort[]addprefix[en-]]">
>
> HTH
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:22:22 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> > Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a 
>> single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?
>>
>>
>> Nope. The only reason I did it that way (English, english1, english2) is 
>> cuz I don't know what I'm doing. It looks like there needs to be a change 
>> to the filter because when I do that stuff doesn't show up. That or user 
>> error (my guess is user error).
>>
>>
>> joztiizz
>> english [[wrong]] [[evil]]
>> tags  Quality j Lexeme IrregularNoun IrregularCombo Translation Morality 
>> Culture ComboType3 NounType1  
>>
>>
>> en-evil
>> caption Evil
>> nyji [[joztiizz]]
>> tags english Morality
>>
>>
>> en-wrong
>> caption Wrong
>> nyji [[joztiizz]]
>> tags Quality Morality English
>>
>>
>> BTW, Mark, do you have a type jar or paypal somewhere? Seems the least I 
>> can do is buy you a coffee or equivalent.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is that the those items in the nyji language don't have 
>>> 'english' fields -- they have english1 and english2 fields. You can fix 
>>> this in the short term by extending the filter:
>>>
>>> [tag[Lexeme]each[english]get[english]]  
>>> [tag[Lexeme]each[english1]get[english1]]  
>>> [tag[Lexeme]each[english2]get[english2]]  +[addprefix[en-]sort[]]
>>>
>>> The complication is ... is there an upper limit to the english[n] 
>>> fields? 
>>>
>>> Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a 
>>> single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?
>>>
>>> When you use the filter above, "film" will still not appear because 
>>> neither of the words you have for film (chachykmaŋnyki chiwkiŋam) have 
>>> english, english1, or english2 fields containing the word "film".
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:

 Any idea why film and evil aren't showing up in EnglishIndex? 
 https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2AstAs9QlRjSnhvU1ktWGF0c28 

 I'm sure it's user error, but I can't see any difference between those 
 two and the three (cat, here, and wrong) that are showing up.

 On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:

> Thanks! That helps a lot.
>
> > About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
> notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn
>
> You overestimate my conlanging skills. :D
>
>>

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Yes. The filter needs to change. You can try this for the list-based 
english fields:

<$list filter="[tag[Lexeme]each:list-item[english]sort[]addprefix[en-]]">

HTH
Mark

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:22:22 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
> > Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a 
> single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?
>
>
> Nope. The only reason I did it that way (English, english1, english2) is 
> cuz I don't know what I'm doing. It looks like there needs to be a change 
> to the filter because when I do that stuff doesn't show up. That or user 
> error (my guess is user error).
>
>
> joztiizz
> english [[wrong]] [[evil]]
> tags  Quality j Lexeme IrregularNoun IrregularCombo Translation Morality 
> Culture ComboType3 NounType1  
>
>
> en-evil
> caption Evil
> nyji [[joztiizz]]
> tags english Morality
>
>
> en-wrong
> caption Wrong
> nyji [[joztiizz]]
> tags Quality Morality English
>
>
> BTW, Mark, do you have a type jar or paypal somewhere? Seems the least I 
> can do is buy you a coffee or equivalent.
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
>> The problem is that the those items in the nyji language don't have 
>> 'english' fields -- they have english1 and english2 fields. You can fix 
>> this in the short term by extending the filter:
>>
>> [tag[Lexeme]each[english]get[english]]  
>> [tag[Lexeme]each[english1]get[english1]]  
>> [tag[Lexeme]each[english2]get[english2]]  +[addprefix[en-]sort[]]
>>
>> The complication is ... is there an upper limit to the english[n] fields? 
>>
>> Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a 
>> single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?
>>
>> When you use the filter above, "film" will still not appear because 
>> neither of the words you have for film (chachykmaŋnyki chiwkiŋam) have 
>> english, english1, or english2 fields containing the word "film".
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Mark
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>>
>>> Any idea why film and evil aren't showing up in EnglishIndex? 
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2AstAs9QlRjSnhvU1ktWGF0c28 
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's user error, but I can't see any difference between those 
>>> two and the three (cat, here, and wrong) that are showing up.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>>
 Thanks! That helps a lot.

 > About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
 notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn

 You overestimate my conlanging skills. :D

>

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

> Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a 
single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?


Nope. The only reason I did it that way (English, english1, english2) is 
cuz I don't know what I'm doing. It looks like there needs to be a change 
to the filter because when I do that stuff doesn't show up. That or user 
error (my guess is user error).


joztiizz
english [[wrong]] [[evil]]
tags  Quality j Lexeme IrregularNoun IrregularCombo Translation Morality 
Culture ComboType3 NounType1  


en-evil
caption Evil
nyji [[joztiizz]]
tags english Morality


en-wrong
caption Wrong
nyji [[joztiizz]]
tags Quality Morality English


BTW, Mark, do you have a type jar or paypal somewhere? Seems the least I 
can do is buy you a coffee or equivalent.



On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:

> The problem is that the those items in the nyji language don't have 
> 'english' fields -- they have english1 and english2 fields. You can fix 
> this in the short term by extending the filter:
>
> [tag[Lexeme]each[english]get[english]]  
> [tag[Lexeme]each[english1]get[english1]]  
> [tag[Lexeme]each[english2]get[english2]]  +[addprefix[en-]sort[]]
>
> The complication is ... is there an upper limit to the english[n] fields? 
>
> Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a 
> single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?
>
> When you use the filter above, "film" will still not appear because 
> neither of the words you have for film (chachykmaŋnyki chiwkiŋam) have 
> english, english1, or english2 fields containing the word "film".
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> Any idea why film and evil aren't showing up in EnglishIndex? 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2AstAs9QlRjSnhvU1ktWGF0c28 
>>
>> I'm sure it's user error, but I can't see any difference between those 
>> two and the three (cat, here, and wrong) that are showing up.
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! That helps a lot.
>>>
>>> > About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
>>> notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn
>>>
>>> You overestimate my conlanging skills. :D
>>>


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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Lydean Works]

Ah, I see. I was getting confused cuz I have too many things called
english! (tags, fields...)

Thanks!

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 8:40 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The problem is that the those items in the nyji language don't have
> 'english' fields -- they have english1 and english2 fields. You can fix
> this in the short term by extending the filter:
>
> [tag[Lexeme]each[english]get[english]]
> [tag[Lexeme]each[english1]get[english1]]
> [tag[Lexeme]each[english2]get[english2]]  +[addprefix[en-]sort[]]
>
> The complication is ... is there an upper limit to the english[n] fields?
>
> Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a
> single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?
>
> When you use the filter above, "film" will still not appear because
> neither of the words you have for film (chachykmaŋnyki chiwkiŋam) have
> english, english1, or english2 fields containing the word "film".
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> Any idea why film and evil aren't showing up in EnglishIndex?
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2AstAs9QlRjSnhvU1ktWGF0c28
>>
>> I'm sure it's user error, but I can't see any difference between those
>> two and the three (cat, here, and wrong) that are showing up.
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! That helps a lot.
>>>
>>> > About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter
>>> notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn
>>>
>>> You overestimate my conlanging skills. :D
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The problem is that the those items in the nyji language don't have 
'english' fields -- they have english1 and english2 fields. You can fix 
this in the short term by extending the filter:

[tag[Lexeme]each[english]get[english]]  
[tag[Lexeme]each[english1]get[english1]]  
[tag[Lexeme]each[english2]get[english2]]  +[addprefix[en-]sort[]]

The complication is ... is there an upper limit to the english[n] fields? 

Is there a data-based reason that you couldn't put all the words in a 
single english list field (e.g. [[film]] [[dust]] ... etc.)  ?

When you use the filter above, "film" will still not appear because neither 
of the words you have for film (chachykmaŋnyki chiwkiŋam) have english, 
english1, or english2 fields containing the word "film".

Good luck!
Mark

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
> Any idea why film and evil aren't showing up in EnglishIndex? 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2AstAs9QlRjSnhvU1ktWGF0c28 
>
> I'm sure it's user error, but I can't see any difference between those two 
> and the three (cat, here, and wrong) that are showing up.
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
>> Thanks! That helps a lot.
>>
>> > About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
>> notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn
>>
>> You overestimate my conlanging skills. :D
>>
>>>

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

Any idea why film and evil aren't showing up in EnglishIndex? 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2AstAs9QlRjSnhvU1ktWGF0c28 

I'm sure it's user error, but I can't see any difference between those two 
and the three (cat, here, and wrong) that are showing up.

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:

> Thanks! That helps a lot.
>
> > About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
> notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn
>
> You overestimate my conlanging skills. :D
>
>>

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

Thanks! That helps a lot.

> About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn

You overestimate my conlanging skills. :D

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 12:15:51 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:

> Ok, to make the following work, I made some changes to your en-Cat entry. 
> It looks like:
>
> caption: Cat
> changecount: 5
> tags: english Mammal
> taijin: [[chun]] [[kaŋi]]
> title: en-cat
> type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki
>
> ;Cat: {{nya{[[chun]]}}}
>
>
>
>
> So I added a caption field (Cat), and a taijin (I don't know what word you 
> want to use so I guessed) with equivalent words (yes, I know kaŋi isn't 
> equivalent, but I needed to demonstrate more than one word). And I changed 
> the title to en-cat rather than en-Cat. The reason the title needed to 
> change was so that it would match the word in your english field list. TW 
> let's us add the en- prefix easily enough, but not change capitalization. 
>
> After these changes, you can run this code:
>
>
> \define wordlist(words) <$list filter="$words$"><$link><$view field=title
> />, 
> <$list 
> filter="[tag[Translation]each[english]get[english]addprefix[en-]sort[]]">
> {{!!caption}}: <$macrocall $name=wordlist words={{!!taijin}}/>
>  
> 
>
>
>
> Which will generate a very short lexicon:
>
> *Cat*: chun, kaŋi,
> : 
>
>
>
> As you can see, the second definition (for the entry 'wrong') doesn't show 
> up, because there is no en-wrong matching tiddler.
>
> So there's some decisions that need to be made about how you want to 
> encode entries. The way I did it in this example isn't the only possibly 
> way.
>
> About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
> notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Ok, to make the following work, I made some changes to your en-Cat entry. 
It looks like:

caption: Cat
changecount: 5
tags: english Mammal
taijin: [[chun]] [[kaŋi]]
title: en-cat
type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki

;Cat: {{nya{[[chun]]}}}




So I added a caption field (Cat), and a taijin (I don't know what word you 
want to use so I guessed) with equivalent words (yes, I know kaŋi isn't 
equivalent, but I needed to demonstrate more than one word). And I changed 
the title to en-cat rather than en-Cat. The reason the title needed to 
change was so that it would match the word in your english field list. TW 
let's us add the en- prefix easily enough, but not change capitalization. 

After these changes, you can run this code:


\define wordlist(words) <$list filter="$words$"><$link><$view field=title
/>, 
<$list 
filter="[tag[Translation]each[english]get[english]addprefix[en-]sort[]]">
{{!!caption}}: <$macrocall $name=wordlist words={{!!taijin}}/>
 




Which will generate a very short lexicon:

*Cat*: chun, kaŋi,
: 



As you can see, the second definition (for the entry 'wrong') doesn't show 
up, because there is no en-wrong matching tiddler.

So there's some decisions that need to be made about how you want to encode 
entries. The way I did it in this example isn't the only possibly way.

About filters, did you look at the tiddler "Introduction to filter 
notation" at Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure it's simpler than Ŋyjichɯn

Good luck!
Mark



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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

I've got it on google drive here - 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2AstAs9QlRjSnhvU1ktWGF0c28 

The pertinent tiddler is EnglishIndex and I'm trying to make it more or 
less look like the old one at 
http://www.silversspace.com/conlang/nyji/nyji-lexicon.html#EnglishIndex with 
the English meaning matching up to the linked conlang words.

Is there a breathe-in, breathe-out manual to filters (aka, the first step 
is breathe in...)? Because the one on tiddlywiki.com goes right over my head

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:

> Something like:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[lexeme]each[english]get[english]sort[]"/>
>
> Should make your basic english list. With a variety of techniques, you can 
> make the list look more like something you want.
>
> If you can make a tiddler that automatically culls and presents the items, 
> do you really need to throw them into a tiddler? It's usually better to 
> leverage the power of automation.
>
> It helps if you post your burgeoning lexicon some place, so everyone can 
> see what your data is shaping up as.
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 5:30:32 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> So any pointers toward telling tw5 to take the 'english' fields from all 
>> the tiddlers tagged 'lexeme', match them with the tiddler title fields, 
>> alphabetize them by the 'english' fields, and then throw them all in one 
>> tiddler? Cuz I'm clueless, sorry. I'm focusing on the 10 or 11 completely 
>> complete lexicon entries to get thing working.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:42:20 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>>> Not any more, but I have as much time as I need to work on it. If I can 
>>> get the concept working... 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 8:38 PM RichardWilliamSmith  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A data dictionary is only going to give you 1:1 mappings. I think 
 Mark's on the right track - each tiddler has as many fields as it needs 
 and 
 each field can contain a list if it needs to. You can write an interface 
 for entering/editing the information and you can transclude it into the 
 view however you like. Do you have the original data in some other form? A 
 spreadsheet for example? There should be a way to automate the creation of 
 the tiddlers if you do.

 Regards,
 Richard

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Something like:

<$list filter="[tag[lexeme]each[english]get[english]sort[]"/>

Should make your basic english list. With a variety of techniques, you can 
make the list look more like something you want.

If you can make a tiddler that automatically culls and presents the items, 
do you really need to throw them into a tiddler? It's usually better to 
leverage the power of automation.

It helps if you post your burgeoning lexicon some place, so everyone can 
see what your data is shaping up as.

Good luck,
Mark







On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 5:30:32 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
> So any pointers toward telling tw5 to take the 'english' fields from all 
> the tiddlers tagged 'lexeme', match them with the tiddler title fields, 
> alphabetize them by the 'english' fields, and then throw them all in one 
> tiddler? Cuz I'm clueless, sorry. I'm focusing on the 10 or 11 completely 
> complete lexicon entries to get thing working.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:42:20 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
>> Not any more, but I have as much time as I need to work on it. If I can 
>> get the concept working... 
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 8:38 PM RichardWilliamSmith > > wrote:
>>
>>> A data dictionary is only going to give you 1:1 mappings. I think Mark's 
>>> on the right track - each tiddler has as many fields as it needs and each 
>>> field can contain a list if it needs to. You can write an interface for 
>>> entering/editing the information and you can transclude it into the view 
>>> however you like. Do you have the original data in some other form? A 
>>> spreadsheet for example? There should be a way to automate the creation of 
>>> the tiddlers if you do.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

So any pointers toward telling tw5 to take the 'english' fields from all 
the tiddlers tagged 'lexeme', match them with the tiddler title fields, 
alphabetize them by the 'english' fields, and then throw them all in one 
tiddler? Cuz I'm clueless, sorry. I'm focusing on the 10 or 11 completely 
complete lexicon entries to get thing working.

Thanks

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:42:20 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:

> Not any more, but I have as much time as I need to work on it. If I can 
> get the concept working... 
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 8:38 PM RichardWilliamSmith <
> richardwilliamsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A data dictionary is only going to give you 1:1 mappings. I think Mark's 
>> on the right track - each tiddler has as many fields as it needs and each 
>> field can contain a list if it needs to. You can write an interface for 
>> entering/editing the information and you can transclude it into the view 
>> however you like. Do you have the original data in some other form? A 
>> spreadsheet for example? There should be a way to automate the creation of 
>> the tiddlers if you do.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Lydean Works]

Not any more, but I have as much time as I need to work on it. If I can get
the concept working...

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 8:38 PM RichardWilliamSmith <
richardwilliamsm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A data dictionary is only going to give you 1:1 mappings. I think Mark's
> on the right track - each tiddler has as many fields as it needs and each
> field can contain a list if it needs to. You can write an interface for
> entering/editing the information and you can transclude it into the view
> however you like. Do you have the original data in some other form? A
> spreadsheet for example? There should be a way to automate the creation of
> the tiddlers if you do.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

A data dictionary is only going to give you 1:1 mappings. I think Mark's on 
the right track - each tiddler has as many fields as it needs and each 
field can contain a list if it needs to. You can write an interface for 
entering/editing the information and you can transclude it into the view 
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spreadsheet for example? There should be a way to automate the creation of 
the tiddlers if you do.

Regards,
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Lydean Works]

I don't have anything right now for the TW5 version. Is there a 101 for
doing a data dictionary?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 8:21 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Do you want to have 3 english fields, or would you prefer a single list
> field with as many words as relate (e.g. [[Wordy 1]] [[Wordy 2]] [[Wordy
> 3]]) ??
>
> You mention EnglishIndex tiddler. Does that mean that you have a data
> dictionary with english definitions, or were you referring to a group of
> tiddlers each with their respective English definitions? A data dictionary
> would let you make a simple word -> definition glossary.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 5:51:54 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> I'm not worried about *maximum *flexibility as there are just too many
>> parts in an entry. The standard noun has the word, between one and ten
>> meanings; any irregularity; an abbreviated form for deriving words; notes;
>> the spelling, stress, IPA, and phonetic of the singular, plural, and
>> paucal; and at least one translated sentence. Verbs, adjectives, and
>> affixes are simpler. Stamps are making my life much easier.
>>
>> Still not sure how to do the English index. Some examples: 'chanyki' has
>> three meanings that would be listed separately (color, skin, and surface),
>> while 'chuBi, liBi, syBi,' and 'mymsy' would all be listed under 'here'.
>> I've given 'chanyki' three fields: english1, english2, and english3... I'm
>> sure there's a way to pull those three fields from each word entry and
>> match them up with their title on the EnglishIndex tiddler, I just don't
>> know how.
>>
>> Can y'all tell I'm not a programming person? :p
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the
>>> formatting, put the various bits of information into fields. Then use
>>> template tiddlers to display the field information as needed. If the
>>> information is stored as fields, then you can do things like list English -
>>> word - phonetic or put your comparable words in a list field and then for
>>> each english word you could also list each (??) word followed by its notes.
>>>
>>> Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:

 Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's
 double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index
 entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd
 be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes,
 and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'.

 On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:

> Silvercat wrote:
>
> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method
>> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 
>> 300
>> words, it's kinda a pain.
>>
>
> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with
> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can
> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create 
> your
> actual word tiddlers?
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Do you want to have 3 english fields, or would you prefer a single list 
field with as many words as relate (e.g. [[Wordy 1]] [[Wordy 2]] [[Wordy 
3]]) ??

You mention EnglishIndex tiddler. Does that mean that you have a data 
dictionary with english definitions, or were you referring to a group of 
tiddlers each with their respective English definitions? A data dictionary 
would let you make a simple word -> definition glossary.


Mark


On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 5:51:54 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
> I'm not worried about *maximum *flexibility as there are just too many 
> parts in an entry. The standard noun has the word, between one and ten 
> meanings; any irregularity; an abbreviated form for deriving words; notes; 
> the spelling, stress, IPA, and phonetic of the singular, plural, and 
> paucal; and at least one translated sentence. Verbs, adjectives, and 
> affixes are simpler. Stamps are making my life much easier.
>
> Still not sure how to do the English index. Some examples: 'chanyki' has 
> three meanings that would be listed separately (color, skin, and surface), 
> while 'chuBi, liBi, syBi,' and 'mymsy' would all be listed under 'here'. 
> I've given 'chanyki' three fields: english1, english2, and english3... I'm 
> sure there's a way to pull those three fields from each word entry and 
> match them up with their title on the EnglishIndex tiddler, I just don't 
> know how.
>
> Can y'all tell I'm not a programming person? :p
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the 
>> formatting, put the various bits of information into fields. Then use 
>> template tiddlers to display the field information as needed. If the 
>> information is stored as fields, then you can do things like list English - 
>> word - phonetic or put your comparable words in a list field and then for 
>> each english word you could also list each (??) word followed by its notes. 
>>
>> Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's 
>>> double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index 
>>> entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd 
>>> be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes, 
>>> and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:
>>>
 Silvercat wrote:

 Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 
> 300 
> words, it's kinda a pain.
>

 Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
 "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
 import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create 
 your 
 actual word tiddlers?

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

I'm not worried about *maximum *flexibility as there are just too many 
parts in an entry. The standard noun has the word, between one and ten 
meanings; any irregularity; an abbreviated form for deriving words; notes; 
the spelling, stress, IPA, and phonetic of the singular, plural, and 
paucal; and at least one translated sentence. Verbs, adjectives, and 
affixes are simpler. Stamps are making my life much easier.

Still not sure how to do the English index. Some examples: 'chanyki' has 
three meanings that would be listed separately (color, skin, and surface), 
while 'chuBi, liBi, syBi,' and 'mymsy' would all be listed under 'here'. 
I've given 'chanyki' three fields: english1, english2, and english3... I'm 
sure there's a way to pull those three fields from each word entry and 
match them up with their title on the EnglishIndex tiddler, I just don't 
know how.

Can y'all tell I'm not a programming person? :p

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:

> I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the 
> formatting, put the various bits of information into fields. Then use 
> template tiddlers to display the field information as needed. If the 
> information is stored as fields, then you can do things like list English - 
> word - phonetic or put your comparable words in a list field and then for 
> each english word you could also list each (??) word followed by its notes. 
>
> Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's 
>> double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index 
>> entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd 
>> be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes, 
>> and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'. 
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:
>>
>>> Silvercat wrote:
>>>
>>> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
 effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 
 300 
 words, it's kinda a pain.

>>>
>>> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
>>> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
>>> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your 
>>> actual word tiddlers?
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the formatting, 
put the various bits of information into fields. Then use template tiddlers 
to display the field information as needed. If the information is stored as 
fields, then you can do things like list English - word - phonetic or put 
your comparable words in a list field and then for each english word you 
could also list each (??) word followed by its notes. 

Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.

Good luck!
Mark

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
> Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's 
> double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index 
> entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd 
> be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes, 
> and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'. 
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:
>
>> Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
>>> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 300 
>>> words, it's kinda a pain.
>>>
>>
>> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
>> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
>> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your 
>> actual word tiddlers?
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Lydean Works]

Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's
double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index
entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd
be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes,
and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:

> Silvercat wrote:
>
> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method
>> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 300
>> words, it's kinda a pain.
>>
>
> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with
> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can
> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your
> actual word tiddlers?
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Mat]

Silvercat wrote:

Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 300 
> words, it's kinda a pain.
>

Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
"double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your 
actual word tiddlers?

<:-)

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