[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

Mat wrote:
>
> You mean so when typing text fills the editor, the top of the text starts 
> to scroll up under the tool buttons and the overflow gets hidden by the tow 
> of the window? 
>

Yes. Exactly that. I got into the spirit of "Quick" :-). I think that would 
help it on.

Best  wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Mat]

Josiah,

That the Button Bar is made ALWAYS VISIBLE, it never scrolls off. Contents 
> scroll under it. In that way you could put "Save" in that bar. And users 
> could transfer to "Mother" (using the tick mechanisms) without having to 
> scroll back up. Point being all mechanisms are activated from one set of 
> buttons, always available.
>

You mean so when typing text fills the editor, the top of the text starts 
to scroll up under the tool buttons and the overflow gets hidden by the tow 
of the window? Interesting idea, I like it. It makes sense from the point 
of noting down stuff, in contrast to reading/reviewing it which is more of 
a full TW matter.. It has the UI advantage of keeping the typing area in a 
limited position also. I mean you can (hypthetically) type 1000 rows in the 
editor, but the editor window and the position you type is still within a 
controlled area letting you have other documents consistently visible 
beneath it.

That, per se, doesn't justify putting the save-wiki button in the toolbar. 
But I'll have it in consideration because there is a point in keeping it in 
a fixed place regardless of the window size. So you don't have to search 
for it in any way.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

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Ciao Mat

Mat wrote:
>
> ... also kind of thinking of the save button as a "final thing" that you 
> do after your'e done taking notes for the session.
>

Totally get that. But I have a further suggestion, given this gizmo is 
focused on "quickness" ...

That the Button Bar is made ALWAYS VISIBLE, it never scrolls off. Contents 
scroll under it. In that way you could put "Save" in that bar. And users 
could transfer to "Mother" (using the tick mechanisms) without having to 
scroll back up. Point being all mechanisms are activated from one set of 
buttons, always available.

Best wishes
Josiah 


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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Mat]

Josiah,

Interesting. 

The proper way to handle this is probably to use CSS media queries. This is 
typically what is used to get different layouts on different devices or for 
diffferent window sized (i.e "responsive design"). BTW, TW uses this also. 
For rQuickTid this should be relatively simple to implement and I do intend 
to make the window work well in different sizes, possibly also as a tab.

For the smaller size I felt it made sense to have the buttons to the right 
to interfere less with the text you write. This is also why I put the save 
button at bottom... but also kind of thinking of the save button as a 
"final thing" that you do after your'e done taking notes for the session.

For a bigger size, I think the toolbar will not be floated all the way to 
the right (because the window can be very big) but instead maybe both the 
text editor area (i.e the outer limits for the text) and the toolbar should 
be centered and not expand full width.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

I'm using it & its works well.

Two suggestions ... 

-- Maybe put the SAVE button at the top along with the other buttons?

-- Would it be better to have the BUTTONS Top Left, rather than the top 
right? I overlooked them on first use being over there. Also if you use 
this in a tab they are visually not so  noticeable being far right.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

Mat wrote:
>
> I thought this was OK as an interim solution so the default window looks 
> OK also in FF. We'll need a proper solution to deal with different screen 
> sizes anyway, presumably using CSS media queries. My first attempts were 
> not fruitful but it should be doable.
>

I thought you like to see this SCENARIO. I fiddled about and forced Firefox 
to open the entry gizmo in a TAB, rather than a window. When you have 
screen estate on desktops its useful to be able to do that.

Here is a screen shot with a tiled view. "Mother" rQuickTid above, Tiddler 
creator below. Its a very efficient scenario



FWIW, in Firefox it requires fiddling about to force "open in new window" 
to open in a tab IF the window is given DIMENSIONS. Its easy if it doesn't 
have any set dimensions. I can explain its rules if you need. 

Not sure how much you want to mess about with all the different ways that 
windows are handled, both in browsers and on different platforms & devices. 

For me its an interesting issue about where the heft is not so much in TW 
per se but in how Browsers handle its spawn.

As is, its already very useful.

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Mat]

Alex, thanks for compliments.

I really like the idea that the first line is the title, the next tags and 
> the rest text... 
>

Yes, I first saw this idea in Cinta Notes, a little program I've used when 
TW was too cumbersome for quick notes. Interestingly, as I recently looked 
at Cinta Notes again, it has turned into something much bigger and more 
complex.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Mat]

   rQuickTid  Updated

to deal with the lost linebreaks in Firefox

However, it is a hacky solution; the seen defautl text is placeholder text. 
It turns out not all browsers allow linebreaks in placeholders. The 
simplest solution was to instead add several space characers,. These are 
not seeen but, if enough, add up to a linebreak. This means that it looks 
fine unless you enlarge the window.

I thought this was OK as an interim solution so the default window looks OK 
also in FF. We'll need a proper solution to deal with different screen 
sizes anyway, presumably using CSS media queries. My first attempts were 
not fruitful but it should be doable.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

*ON POSSIBILITIES*

*Tags: *Any chance that it could have an OPTION for a Default Tag (though 
keeping ability to have none)? The Usecase would be collecting, thinking, 
noting LOTS of stuff for later. I do think that would be more manageable if 
one could have all items tagged "CheckEm". You get the idea?

*Tweet:* Anything that tweets is very good for me. And, I think for 
everybody else too. There might be a complication in that you cannot pass 
anything but ordinary straight A-Z/0-9 directly to Twitter. Anything with 
special characters like hashtags or ampersands needs to go through URI 
encoding first. Jed, Telmiger & Riz did a lot of work on this issue and 
there are working macros that will do all that is needed. You probably seen 
them?

Best wishes
Josiah

Mat wrote:
>
> The TWaddler (very) proudly presents...
>
> rQuickTid 
>
>
> This is an extension of the older QuickTid concept but with a 
> fundamentally new paradigm; a separate window containing a 
> new-tiddler-editor.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Alex Hough]

Mat,

Its a really interesting development.

I can see it being really useful for distraction control / attention focus.

and for annotating links from browser tabs. A small window open next to
your main one makes it very easy

I really like the idea that the first line is the title, the next tags and
the rest text...

Alex

On 26 April 2017 at 12:33, @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> Ciao Mat
>
> Its a really NEAT minimalist gizmo that forefronts fragment collection.
> Something TW is ace at. This speeds it up.
>
> I think configuration of the WINDOW (size & placement; whether new
> instance, or tab) is perhaps more complex than it first looks.
>
> Whilst the two examples from bog-standard DESKTOP usage I just gave work
> as floating windows it doesn't work like that universally.
>
> On my Surface Win 10 (that has both "keyboard plugged in" & "tablet"
> modes) when its in TABLET mode the initiation window is full-screen. I
> think tablets (& maybe some phones?) take control of the window sizing and
> placement?
>
> In addition different Browsers, I think, have variant user settings, or 
> browser
> plugins that alter the behaviour of "open in new window."
>
> I do NOT think that is necessarily a curse. It could be a feature :-). BUT
> maybe documentation needs to take it into account?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 24 April 2017 15:22:24 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>>
>> The TWaddler (very) proudly presents...
>>
>> rQuickTid 
>>
>>
>> This is an extension of the older QuickTid concept but with a
>> fundamentally new paradigm; a separate window containing a
>> new-tiddler-editor.
>>
>> I hope this idea can be taken much further as it adds power to TW as a
>> note-*taking* tool, not just a note-*managing* tool. Native TW shines in
>> the latter but not the former.
>>
>> Note also the suggested "Potentials" there, including an outline for a
>> Bookmarks manager.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>>
>> P.S Excuse my absence from some of the recent discussions about my other
>> plugins but that's kind of how it is. I get to it eventually. I'm in
>> constant struggle with a gazillion new ideas.
>>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

Its a really NEAT minimalist gizmo that forefronts fragment collection. 
Something TW is ace at. This speeds it up.

I think configuration of the WINDOW (size & placement; whether new 
instance, or tab) is perhaps more complex than it first looks.

Whilst the two examples from bog-standard DESKTOP usage I just gave work as 
floating windows it doesn't work like that universally.

On my Surface Win 10 (that has both "keyboard plugged in" & "tablet" modes) 
when its in TABLET mode the initiation window is full-screen. I think 
tablets (& maybe some phones?) take control of the window sizing and 
placement?

In addition different Browsers, I think, have variant user settings, or browser 
plugins that alter the behaviour of "open in new window."

I do NOT think that is necessarily a curse. It could be a feature :-). BUT 
maybe documentation needs to take it into account?

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 24 April 2017 15:22:24 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> The TWaddler (very) proudly presents...
>
> rQuickTid 
>
>
> This is an extension of the older QuickTid concept but with a 
> fundamentally new paradigm; a separate window containing a 
> new-tiddler-editor.
>
> I hope this idea can be taken much further as it adds power to TW as a 
> note-*taking* tool, not just a note-*managing* tool. Native TW shines in 
> the latter but not the former.
>
> Note also the suggested "Potentials" there, including an outline for a 
> Bookmarks manager.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> P.S Excuse my absence from some of the recent discussions about my other 
> plugins but that's kind of how it is. I get to it eventually. I'm in 
> constant struggle with a gazillion new ideas.
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

On initialisation Firefox (45.8 Win) show this ... that LOSES the line 
spacing ...



Chrome (58 Win) behaves like this, as expected ...

Best wishes
Josiah

Mat wrote:
>
> The TWaddler (very) proudly presents...
>
> rQuickTid 
>
>
> This is an extension of the older QuickTid concept but with a 
> fundamentally new paradigm; a separate window containing a 
> new-tiddler-editor.
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

Mat wrote:Are you sure it is an empty page or is the text there just really 
small up in the left corner? 

Ignore my last. You were right. I will comment separately in a bit on how 
it works for me.

Best wishes
Josiah

 

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Mat]

Josiah,

it is not working for me on Windows tablet. When i click the icon i get an 
> empty page. i try again on desktop tomorrow. notte. x
>

Are you sure it is an empty page or is the text there just really small up 
in the left corner? That is how it appears on my cellphone.

Thanks for reporting.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

it is not working for me on Windows tablet. When i click the icon i get an 
empty page. i try again on desktop tomorrow. notte. x

On Monday, 24 April 2017 15:22:24 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> The TWaddler (very) proudly presents...
>
> rQuickTid 
> 
>
>
> This is an extension of the older QuickTid concept but with a 
> fundamentally new paradigm; a separate window containing a 
> new-tiddler-editor.
>
> I hope this idea can be taken much further as it adds power to TW as a 
> note-*taking* tool, not just a note-*managing* tool. Native TW shines in 
> the latter but not the former.
>
> Note also the suggested "Potentials" there, including an outline for a 
> Bookmarks manager.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> P.S Excuse my absence from some of the recent discussions about my other 
> plugins but that's kind of how it is. I get to it eventually. I'm in 
> constant struggle with a gazillion new ideas.
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mat, could you write a plugin that records plugins?

At the rate you doing them it could be worth it.

Josiah, x

On Monday, 24 April 2017 15:22:24 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> The TWaddler (very) proudly presents...
>
> rQuickTid 
>
>
> This is an extension of the older QuickTid concept but with a 
> fundamentally new paradigm; a separate window containing a 
> new-tiddler-editor.
>
> I hope this idea can be taken much further as it adds power to TW as a 
> note-*taking* tool, not just a note-*managing* tool. Native TW shines in 
> the latter but not the former.
>
> Note also the suggested "Potentials" there, including an outline for a 
> Bookmarks manager.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> P.S Excuse my absence from some of the recent discussions about my other 
> plugins but that's kind of how it is. I get to it eventually. I'm in 
> constant struggle with a gazillion new ideas.
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Mat,

Here's the bit of code I use, not nearly as nice as yours, to allow me to 
open up and edit a tiddler in a separate window:

<$select tiddler="$:/state/side-edit-tiddler" tag="input">
<$list filter="[!is[system]sort[title]]">
>><$text text=<>/>




<$edit-text tiddler={{$:/state/side-edit-tiddler}} 
class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>


I guess I'm thinking that a system like yours, modified to work with 
existing tiddlers, could be a platform independent substitute for those 
various sticky note apps. 

Thanks!
Mark

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 7:29:06 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Do you mean to open an existing tiddler, to see its current content so you 
> can edit it? That has crossed my mind. It would be a kind of merge with the 
> SideEditor . Really there should be an 
> option in TW to have the regular tiddle editor show in the tiddler river, 
> or as floating on the side like the SideEditor or split out like rQuickTid. 
> (Not necessarily with different field layouts for the editor though).
>
> I'll let those thoughts mature a bit. But for rQuickTid the primary 
> purpose is not to *work with tiddlers* but to *work with something else* 
> and merely use TW as a quick access area to put notes. TW should be 
> "insivisble" because you're focusing on that other stuff.
>
> ...but, hey, that's just rQuickTid. I hope people can take the concept and 
> run.
>
> Overall, the feature to split out tiddlers into sepatate windows is way 
> underused. I have one absolute killer application for it that I did not 
> mention in the "Potentials" list becuse it is not about adding tiddlers. 
> I'll probably start at discussion on it soon.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Mat]

Ton, thanks.

I'll have to play with it for a longer time.
>

Me too! Hehe!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Mat]

Do you mean to open an existing tiddler, to see its current content so you 
can edit it? That has crossed my mind. It would be a kind of merge with the 
SideEditor . Really there should be an 
option in TW to have the regular tiddle editor show in the tiddler river, 
or as floating on the side like the SideEditor or split out like rQuickTid. 
(Not necessarily with different field layouts for the editor though).

I'll let those thoughts mature a bit. But for rQuickTid the primary purpose 
is not to *work with tiddlers* but to *work with something else* and merely 
use TW as a quick access area to put notes. TW should be "insivisble" 
because you're focusing on that other stuff.

...but, hey, that's just rQuickTid. I hope people can take the concept and 
run.

Overall, the feature to split out tiddlers into sepatate windows is way 
underused. I have one absolute killer application for it that I did not 
mention in the "Potentials" list becuse it is not about adding tiddlers. 
I'll probably start at discussion on it soon.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mat,

Very interesting.
I'll have to play with it for a longer time.

Well done,

Ton

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[tw] Re: Presenting: rQuickTid - attention-free note taking

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Very nice Mat!

How about an option to allow you to overwrite an existing tiddler? Then you 
can make cumulative notes like in a scratch pad.

-- Mark

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 6:22:24 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> The TWaddler (very) proudly presents...
>
> rQuickTid 
>
>
> This is an extension of the older QuickTid concept but with a 
> fundamentally new paradigm; a separate window containing a 
> new-tiddler-editor.
>
> I hope this idea can be taken much further as it adds power to TW as a 
> note-*taking* tool, not just a note-*managing* tool. Native TW shines in 
> the latter but not the former.
>
> Note also the suggested "Potentials" there, including an outline for a 
> Bookmarks manager.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> P.S Excuse my absence from some of the recent discussions about my other 
> plugins but that's kind of how it is. I get to it eventually. I'm in 
> constant struggle with a gazillion new ideas.
>

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