Re: [tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Michael,

AFAIK, any size difference between an empty TW and yours (provided that
they have the same TW version) can only come from plugins and/or your own
tiddlers. Once you made sure that the plugins were under control (via the
Plugins tab of the Control Panel), you may want to *split your wiki file
into individual tiddler files* so that you can look at their respective
sizes.

For that, you need to install the NodeJS version

then on the command line:

   - init a new TW folder myTWfolder with *server*-related plugins

tiddlywiki ./myTWfolder --init server


   - split up your standalone file into ./myTWfolder/

tiddlywiki ./myTWfolder --load ~/Downloads/zjqLKRb8.html


   1. list all the tiddler files sorted by revert order of size

ls -lSr ./myTWfolder/tiddlers/

Cheers,

X.



-- Xavier Cazin


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Michael 
wrote:

> Deleting HistoryList brought the file size down from 9.8 MB to 7.5 MB.
> Deleting 4 PDFs that I dumped in and forgot about  brought me down to 5.3
> MB.The empty 5.1.13 is 915 KB. I wonder whether the delta all comes from my
> 708 tiddlers, or whether there are other goodies like HistoryList that blow
> up file size?
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
>
> On Thursday, July 3, 2014 3:18:30 PM UTC+2, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Would it be a good idea to have a way to 'estimate the size of individual
>> tiddlers' (knowing that we are talking about one file here!)? Get somehow
>> an indication which particular portions of your TW contribute most to file
>> size?
>>
>> I use TW5 as a project management tool. It has currently about 10MB (708
>> tiddlers excluding shadows and tiddlers, only two small pictures). It
>> starts to get sluggish on my older notebook, and on my iPad 3 it takes
>> about 20 secs to load and about 10 secs to save a tiddler. I toyed with the
>> idea of using an encrypted TW for a personal diary including photos, but my
>> iPad doesn't take that.
>>
>> I had no idea about this HistoryList tiddler and will hurry to delete it!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg
>>> in size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.
>>>  I currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back
>>> more and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of
>>> using any.
>>>
>>> The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it
>>> to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.
>>>
>>> Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation
>>> should I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to
>>> prevent issues?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chemaster
>>>
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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Michael]

Deleting HistoryList brought the file size down from 9.8 MB to 7.5 MB. 
Deleting 4 PDFs that I dumped in and forgot about  brought me down to 5.3 
MB.The empty 5.1.13 is 915 KB. I wonder whether the delta all comes from my 
708 tiddlers, or whether there are other goodies like HistoryList that blow 
up file size?

Cheers,
Michael

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 3:18:30 PM UTC+2, Michael wrote:
>
> Would it be a good idea to have a way to 'estimate the size of individual 
> tiddlers' (knowing that we are talking about one file here!)? Get somehow 
> an indication which particular portions of your TW contribute most to file 
> size?
>
> I use TW5 as a project management tool. It has currently about 10MB (708 
> tiddlers excluding shadows and tiddlers, only two small pictures). It 
> starts to get sluggish on my older notebook, and on my iPad 3 it takes 
> about 20 secs to load and about 10 secs to save a tiddler. I toyed with the 
> idea of using an encrypted TW for a personal diary including photos, but my 
> iPad doesn't take that.
>
> I had no idea about this HistoryList tiddler and will hurry to delete it!
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:
>>
>> I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg in 
>> size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.  I 
>> currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back more 
>> and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of 
>> using any.
>>
>> The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it 
>> to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.
>>
>> Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation should 
>> I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to prevent 
>> issues?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chemaster
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Jeremy Ruston]

For 5.0.14 I've adjusted things so that the $:/HistoryList tiddler isn't
included when the wiki is saved. This should avoid it getting too large.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/3ff7462afd5414b92680c6b6e67274be79233224

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Michael 
wrote:

> Would it be a good idea to have a way to 'estimate the size of individual
> tiddlers' (knowing that we are talking about one file here!)? Get somehow
> an indication which particular portions of your TW contribute most to file
> size?
>
> I use TW5 as a project management tool. It has currently about 10MB (708
> tiddlers excluding shadows and tiddlers, only two small pictures). It
> starts to get sluggish on my older notebook, and on my iPad 3 it takes
> about 20 secs to load and about 10 secs to save a tiddler. I toyed with the
> idea of using an encrypted TW for a personal diary including photos, but my
> iPad doesn't take that.
>
> I had no idea about this HistoryList tiddler and will hurry to delete it!
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:
>
>> I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg in
>> size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.  I
>> currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back more
>> and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of
>> using any.
>>
>> The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it
>> to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.
>>
>> Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation should
>> I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to prevent
>> issues?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chemaster
>>
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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Michael]

Would it be a good idea to have a way to 'estimate the size of individual 
tiddlers' (knowing that we are talking about one file here!)? Get somehow 
an indication which particular portions of your TW contribute most to file 
size?

I use TW5 as a project management tool. It has currently about 10MB (708 
tiddlers excluding shadows and tiddlers, only two small pictures). It 
starts to get sluggish on my older notebook, and on my iPad 3 it takes 
about 20 secs to load and about 10 secs to save a tiddler. I toyed with the 
idea of using an encrypted TW for a personal diary including photos, but my 
iPad doesn't take that.

I had no idea about this HistoryList tiddler and will hurry to delete it!

Cheers,
Michael

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:
>
> I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg in 
> size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.  I 
> currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back more 
> and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of 
> using any.
>
> The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it 
> to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.
>
> Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation should 
> I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to prevent 
> issues?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chemaster
>

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[PMario]

On Friday, June 27, 2014 1:42:38 PM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:
>
> OMG, I deleted it and the file size went from 3,467 KB to 1,638 KB. 
>
> 1. What is the purpose of this tiddiler?
>

At the moment, it is just there to collect some history info. Jeremy 
mentioned, that he will try to limit the number of "logs" in future 
versions. 
 

> 2. What are the adverse effects of deleting it?
>

IMO no effect atm. May be some custom plugins may use that info. 
 

> 3. Can I control the size automatically
>

not yet, ...

-m

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[David Gifford]

One other thing to keep in mind is that when you add complex list filters 
to lots of tiddlers, or to your viewtemplate, that will also slow TW down.

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Alberto Molina]

> 2. What are the adverse effects of deleting it?
>
 
None

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Chemaster]

OMG, I deleted it and the file size went from 3,467 KB to 1,638 KB. 

1. What is the purpose of this tiddiler?
2. What are the adverse effects of deleting it?
3. Can I control the size automatically

If there are no adverse effects all my worries are gone!

Thanks!

Chemaster



On Friday, June 27, 2014 1:51:23 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
>
> Have a look at your $:/HistoryList tiddler.
>
> If it is big, just delete it. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Chemaster,

Windows 7, Firefox 30, TW 5.0.13
Filesize 6 MB
1000 tiddlers
30 (relatively small) embedded images

Editing is slow when certain tabs are open (especially the Recent tab); 
otherwise no problem at all.

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, June 27, 2014 8:51:23 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
>
> Have a look at your $:/HistoryList tiddler.
>
> If it is big, just delete it. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[PMario]

Have a look at your $:/HistoryList tiddler.

If it is big, just delete it. 

-mario

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Chemaster]

Ok, great thanks  

I've went in and removed all embedded images but have also added more 
Tiddilers so my file size in now 3.4meg.  (without any images) and about 
150 Tiddilers.

Anyone please post your experience and what size your TW file size is. 
Thanks in advance!

Anything is working fine as mentioned but I want to prepare in advance 
because I will need around 500 - 700 Tiddilers so I can envision a file 
size 9 meg. I have a good computer but am not sure if the file mechanics 
breaks down at some point. :)

Thanks,



On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:15:35 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:
>>
>> I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg in 
>> size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.  I 
>> currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back more 
>> and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of 
>> using any.
>>
>
> The latest version supports external images now. So have a look.
>  
>
>> The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it 
>> to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.
>>
>
> Should be no problem. ... but depends a little bit on your computer 
> hardware :)
>  
>
>> Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation should 
>> I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to prevent 
>> issues?
>>
>
> If you stay with external images, if they are big, and keep small 
> thumbnails in the TW (for stand alone offline use), imo you should be fine. 
> If I need jpg images I convert them to be less then 100kByte, if possible. 
>
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[PMario]

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:
>
> I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg in 
> size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.  I 
> currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back more 
> and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of 
> using any.
>

The latest version supports external images now. So have a look.
 

> The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it 
> to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.
>

Should be no problem. ... but depends a little bit on your computer 
hardware :)
 

> Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation should 
> I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to prevent 
> issues?
>

If you stay with external images, if they are big, and keep small 
thumbnails in the TW (for stand alone offline use), imo you should be fine. 
If I need jpg images I convert them to be less then 100kByte, if possible. 

-m

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