[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

It's just a proof of concept so far... I still need to debug, improve, 
customize etc, before making a plug-in

Le vendredi 6 avril 2018 20:32:22 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter a écrit :
>
> Good stuff!
>
> Small point. On hover I see "Noam" mentioned in the Seth ring but I don't 
> see that name displayed in its sub-circle?
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Good stuff!

Small point. On hover I see "Noam" mentioned in the Seth ring but I don't 
see that name displayed in its sub-circle?

Silverfox wrote:
>
> It now works with "flat" (non nested) json and also csv tiddler, see the 
> demo here : 
> http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com/#D3%20ZCP%20widget%20based%20on%20flat%20csv
> .
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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

It now works with "flat" (non nested) json and also csv tiddler, see the 
demo here 
: 
http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com/#D3%20ZCP%20widget%20based%20on%20flat%20csv.

This is done by some d3 methods that can parse and stratify data...




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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[TonyM]

Silverfox,

Thanks for moving on that, CSV will make it more accessible and also 
integrate with TiddlyWiki even more.

Regards
Tony 

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 2:21:48 AM UTC+10, Silverfox wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your comments. 
>
> I have worked few weeks ago on a TW macro that generates a json based on 
> the TW table of content... it works but, I'm not really happy with it, as 
> it requires to click on a button.
> Since D3 V4.x, there is a new command (
> https://github.com/d3/d3-hierarchy#stratify) that will allow to use data 
> from a simpler csv source than nested json. 
> I'll work on implementing it, it should helps simplifying the transfer 
> automatically TW generated data to D3 visualisation.
>
> I'll publish all this in the coming days... but I first would like to 
> concentrate on the feature that will allow to navigate thanks to the D3 
> chart (open tiddler by clicking on a bubble)
>
> I'll open a new post when I'll be ready
>
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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

Thank you all for your comments. 

I have worked few weeks ago on a TW macro that generates a json based on 
the TW table of content... it works but, I'm not really happy with it, as 
it requires to click on a button.
Since D3 V4.x, there is a new command (
https://github.com/d3/d3-hierarchy#stratify) that will allow to use data 
from a simpler csv source than nested json. 
I'll work on implementing it, it should helps simplifying the transfer 
automatically TW generated data to D3 visualisation.

I'll publish all this in the coming days... but I first would like to 
concentrate on the feature that will allow to navigate thanks to the D3 
chart (open tiddler by clicking on a bubble)

I'll open a new post when I'll be ready

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[David Gifford]

Just want to echo everyone's compliments. I always wanted someone to do 
something more with d3 and expand to other visualizations, but hesitated to 
ask. This is really cool.

Some things to consider as you tweak it:

1) I will definitely play sometime soon with the CSS and come up with some 
cool color schemes!
2) I am finding that when I click a white bubble, the title does not 
display until I click on its blue container to zoom back out. I realize now 
after experimenting that the trick is to only click on the blue containers 
to zoom in and out to see names. Might be good to indicate that just above 
the visualization, for newbies like me.
3) Is there a way to increase the indent for the contents of flare.json so 
that the levels are more pronounced and distinguishable? Even if it means 
lines running over, I think it would help users as they add their data. 
Currently it is hard to distinguish the levels of the parents and children.


On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:04:01 PM UTC-6, Silverfox wrote:
>
> This post to inform you that I succeeded to implement the *zoomable 
> circle packing* D3 widget (for D3.js v5.0.0)
> You can see it here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com
>
> Nice isn't it ?
>
> I have added a small tutorial for dummies (like me), it may push others to 
> further combine D3.js and TW
>
> Many thanks @BurningTreeC, I could have not done it without you
>
> And I go on with my personal project...
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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Impressive what you have done! Good stuff.

I would like this data to be generated by the content of TiddlyWiki
>

Right. That is the central issue.

If you can't do that then you might just as well use an existing online 
version to generate the output. 

I think to get the numbers inputs you gonna need more than basic TW for 
anything more than really simple charts. It might be worth looking at 
Evan's formula plugin: 
https://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas_0.1.0.html to see if it can 
help on that.

Just thoughts
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[BurningTreeC]

@Nicolas 

You made great progress, awesome!

I've seen that one can use this to pass a filter to a widget and get the 
tiddler titles:

var tiddlers = $tw.wiki.filterTiddlers(this.myTiddlerFilter);


to get the filter:

CirclePackWidget.prototype.execute = function() {
// Get the parameters from the attributes
this.myDataTiddler = this.getAttribute("data");
this.myTiddlerFilter = this.getAttribute("filter");
 };


Then you can make a json object from the tiddlers and their tags and fields 
to pass it to d3 afterwards

var jsondata = {};

if ($tw.utils.isArray(tiddlers)) { 
for (var i=0; i < tiddlers.length; i++) {

var tiddler = $tw.wiki.getTiddler(tiddlers[i]);
console.log(tiddler);

// here we can build the jsondata from the tiddler
// var tags = tiddler.fields.tags;
// var title = tiddler.fields.title;
// var allTiddlerFields = tiddler.fields;

}




The jsondata can be "filled" like so:

jsondata["entry1"] = "test";

or using the title stored in a variable:

var title = tiddler.fields.title;

jsondata[title] = ...

-

I'm not sure what's the best way to do this, there's also 
$tw.wiki.getTiddlerAsJson in $:/core/modules/wiki.js - seems more comfortable 
to use:

exports.getTiddlerAsJson = function(title) {
var tiddler = this.getTiddler(title);
if(tiddler) {
var fields = Object.create(null);
$tw.utils.each(tiddler.fields,function(value,name) {
fields[name] = tiddler.getFieldString(name);
});
return JSON.stringify(fields);
} else {
return JSON.stringify({title: title});
}
};


...


What I'm thinking about is, what the jsondata should look like to create a 
meaningful, expressive tiddler graph
In your CirclePack for example, which tiddler field should create a group? I 
think a subfilter by tag could do that



Simon

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Re: [tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

This is exactly what I would like to do... but I still need to learn (be 
helped) to reach it

Nicolas

Le samedi 31 mars 2018 00:01:04 UTC+2, Jan a écrit :
>
> Great!
> I want more!!!
> More displays like this and a little more explanation: Where does the data 
> come from. 
> I would love to use something like this as a table of content: It would be 
> great if the captions of the bubbles could open links (to Tiddlers)
>
> Again: Great work
> -Jan
>
>

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[TonyM]

Silverfox,

I see great potential for this because TiddlyWiki can be used to represent 
many things, and new visualisations of what ever your tiddlywiki represents 
are valuable. This is especially true if it helps navigate real content.

Looking good.

Inclusions such as a field "bubble-caption" for custom titles when 
displayed as a bubble, or using the color field or icon specified in the 
tiddler representing the piece of data would be nice and quite simple to 
use?

Regards
Tony

Tony

On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 6:04:01 AM UTC+11, Silverfox wrote:
>
> This post to inform you that I succeeded to implement the *zoomable 
> circle packing* D3 widget (for D3.js v5.0.0)
> You can see it here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com
>
> Nice isn't it ?
>
> I have added a small tutorial for dummies (like me), it may push others to 
> further combine D3.js and TW
>
> Many thanks @BurningTreeC, I could have not done it without you
>
> And I go on with my personal project...
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Jan]

Great!
I want more!!!
More displays like this and a little more explanation: Where does the 
data come from.
I would love to use something like this as a table of content: It would 
be great if the captions of the bubbles could open links (to Tiddlers)


Again: Great work
-Jan

Am 30.03.2018 um 21:04 schrieb Silverfox:
This post to inform you that I succeeded to implement the *zoomable 
circle packing* D3 widget (for D3.js v5.0.0)
You can see it here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com 



Nice isn't it ?

I have added a small tutorial for dummies (like me), it may push 
others to further combine D3.js and TW


Many thanks @BurningTreeC, I could have not done it without you

And I go on with my personal project...

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

This post to inform you that I succeeded to implement the *zoomable circle 
packing* D3 widget (for D3.js v5.0.0)
You can see it here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com

Nice isn't it ?

I have added a small tutorial for dummies (like me), it may push others to 
further combine D3.js and TW

Many thanks @BurningTreeC, I could have not done it without you

And I go on with my personal project...

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

I have updated http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com

I could implement the widget for *Circle packing *(still need to understand 
how to improve with CSS style rather than hardcoding), but I failed, so 
far, to implement *Zoomable circle packing* ( 
https://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/7607535).

I cannot understand why it works when using D3 script in an HTML page, and 
not on the D3 adaptation for TW.

I think that the problem start when we use d3.hierarchy... but I may be 
wrong

when I console.log  this: 

> var root = d3.hierarchy(root) 

.sum(function(d) { return d.size; })

.sort(function(a, b) { return b.value - a.value; })

 
I obtain:



>  








we can see that x, y and r are undefined, but I don't why... and I even 
don't understand how they should be generated

Would that be possible that some variable would need to be initialized just 
when using D3 into TW, and not into regular HTML ?
Any other idea ?

Nicolas

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

Thank you for you're support ... I learn a lot thanks to you...
I'll investigate and let you know

Le mardi 27 mars 2018 23:13:02 UTC+2, BurningTreeC a écrit :
>
>
> maybe it's this line in the widget
>>
>> var diameter = +svg.attr("width");
>>
>
> ok sorry ;) that's in the demo, too
>
> I'm no javascript genius 
>

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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> maybe it's this line in the widget
>
> var diameter = +svg.attr("width");
>

ok sorry ;) that's in the demo, too

I'm no javascript genius 

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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maybe it's this line in the widget

var diameter = +svg.attr("width");

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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@Silverfox 

I took a look at the chart in your demo with rightclick on the chart - 
inspect 
there's a tab called "inspector" ... it shows all the html elements
If you find the chart elements, you see that the widget doesn't calculate 
correct values for the circle radius and the translate offsets

If I change those values temporarily within the inspector, the circles are 
shown
So the problem must be somewhere how the values are calculated

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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> I'm not sure to understand (sorry, I'm a beginner)... 
> you mean that you just need to copy/paste the content of d3.min.js in 
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/d3/d3.js ?
> there is no adaptation / modification ?
>
> Yes you can simply copy it without modifying it 

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

I'm not sure to understand (sorry, I'm a beginner)... 
you mean that you just need to copy/paste the content of d3.min.js in 
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/d3/d3.js ?
there is no adaptation / modification ?

Le mardi 27 mars 2018 21:28:27 UTC+2, BurningTreeC a écrit :
>
> You can try another d3js version if you want to check if it's a bug
>
> To do so you can head over to the github repository, go to releases and 
> download a zipped release
> Unzip it, look for the d3.min.js file and copy its content to the d3.js 
> tiddler
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

>
> Hi, is the svg._groups[0][0] correct?
> I changed that in the barwidget, too , but just because it made an error 
> disappear. I was sceptical if it was the right way..
>
> I would investigate that
>
> BTC
>

Yes it looks OK 

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[BurningTreeC]

You can try another d3js version if you want to check if it's a bug

To do so you can head over to the github repository, go to releases and 
download a zipped release
Unzip it, look for the d3.min.js file and copy its content to the d3.js 
tiddler


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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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@BurningTreeC 
>
>
> I tried to adapt this https://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/7607535 which is 
> native D3.js V4.
> I put it in http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com, but i face the same kind 
> of bug than with the previous trial.
>
> All the data items that should be spread on the tiddler, are actually all 
> concentrated because of non-defined data...
>
> As a consequence, I wonder if there's a bug in your D3.js V5.0 that could 
> explain it... 
> But I don't know how to investigate it...
>
> Apart of this I try to understand how to use css stylesheet from usual D3 
> files into TW...
>

Hi, is the svg._groups[0][0] correct?
I changed that in the barwidget, too , but just because it made an error 
disappear. I was sceptical if it was the right way..

I would investigate that

BTC

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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@BurningTreeC 

I tried to adapt this https://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/7607535 which is native 
D3.js V4.
I put it in http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com, but i face the same kind of 
bug than with the previous trial.

All the data items that should be spread on the tiddler, are actually all 
concentrated because of non-defined data...

As a consequence, I wonder if there's a bug in your D3.js V5.0 that could 
explain it... 
But I don't know how to investigate it...

Apart of this I try to understand how to use css stylesheet from usual D3 
files into TW...

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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I made few progress on barWidget, by correcting few details in the D3 code 
but still have a bug.
>
>
> The (temporary) result is here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com
>
> It looks to be linked with the function transitionGrouped() ... 
> When activated, all the x value are zero (or undefined)
> I still need to investigate... if you have some ideas they are more than 
> welcome
>
> Nicolas
>

looks already better than before :)

the original barwidget was (maybe) made with the old API in mind and 
therefor now it's a bit complicated to make it work the way it's structured
but I don't know, I haven't looked at the API more deeply

What I've seen is that there are examples on d3js.org that use the new API, 
maybe it helps starting with such an example and working the barwidget into 
it

I'll keep updated on this thread, I'm also interested in the d3 plugin, but 
currently I don't find the time to help on this
When I find the time, I'll be happy to help

Simon

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

I made few progress, by correcting few details in the D3 code but still 
have a bug.

The (temporary) result is here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com

It looks to be linked with the function transitionGrouped() ... 
When activated, all the x value are zero (or undefined)
I still need to investigate... if you have some ideas they are more than 
welcome

Nicolas

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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Than you so much, l'll play with it during the next few days, and I'll 
share the result

Nicolas

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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> @BurningTreeC 
>
> Oh yes that would be great, I will then adapt the 2 demo widget and can 
>> add some others.
>>
> Thanks
>  
>
@Silverfox 

I've put it here: http://d3js500.tiddlyspot.com/

all the best,
Simon 

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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@BurningTreeC 

Oh yes that would be great, I will then adapt the 2 demo widget and can add 
> some others.
>
Thanks
 

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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@Jed Carty 

I think you're referring to http://rboue.tiddlyspot.com/

three.js is very nice, I used it to render molecules in 3d within tw

the purpose of *d3.js *appears to be a bit different - I think, 
representing data in a statistical manner, graphs, connections and so on

three.js seems to be a rendering library for 3d rendering of data, I guess 
you can also make graphs similar to 3d.js but 3d.js may be more appropriate 
because it does the things right out of the box?

What do you think?

@Silverfox

I could make a tiddlyspot page with an updated 3d.js plugin, without the 
cloudwidget and barwidget working
The widgets then would need to be adopted / it would need to figure out how 
to access the updated library correctly

If you're interested, I'll put that page online, you could drag the plugin 
to an empty wiki from there and try figuring out

BTC

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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In my experience Three.js is easier to use than d3.js. Someone made a 
plugin for three.js but it would also need to be updated.

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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I'm currently learning to build some other D3 widgets than the cloud and 
the bar, but as my skills are limited and there is no documentation, i do 
it mainly through trial and errors ...it takes time, but I think I can do 
it.
I'll publish my results when the results will be good enough.

But, for me, updating D3 to V5 looks much more scary, I don't feel I can do 
it at all...

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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> D3 (now in v4) is a great bit of gear. The TW plugin is really currently 
> only a proof of concept.
>

now in v5 
 

>
> Personally I'd use it extensively to make Word Clouds IF it were as bit 
> easier to integrate into TiddlyWiki. To achieve that we need someone tech. 
> happy to do the needed work. Especially methods to assemble Data to feed to 
> it in an appropriate format.
>
> the current plugin as you mentioned comes with two widgets which are just 
demonstrations

updating d3js to v5 is the easy part

the cloudwidget and barwidget need work to be compatible
some sensible widgets should be created that accept tiddlywiki filters for 
visually showing data and connections


if we can make the two existing widgets work with the newest d3 or if we 
create two widgets that work better in the tw context, I think we can make 
that PR

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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D3 (now in v4) is a great bit of gear. The TW plugin is really currently 
only a proof of concept.

Personally I'd use it extensively to make Word Clouds IF it were as bit 
easier to integrate into TiddlyWiki. To achieve that we need someone tech. 
happy to do the needed work. Especially methods to assemble Data to feed to 
it in an appropriate format.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

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Hi @Silverfox

D3 seems to be easy to update

this is the repository where the source code is:

https://github.com/d3/d3

under "releases" there's the latest versio 5.0.0 to download

this is the tiddlywiki repository

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5

and here's the d3 tiddlywiki plugin:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/d3/files


we could create a so-called "Pull request", updating the plugin with the 
latest version 5.0.0
and checking if the "cloudwidget" and "barwidget" need adjustments

Simon

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