[tw5] Re: folding sections in tidler

[paulgilbert2000]

adding a second   didnt change anything

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:25:26 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I see two <$list>, but only one 
>
> Unless my aging eyeballs are missing something ...
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 12:10:58 AM UTC-3 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks David,
>>
>> should i be replacing anything ? i just added your code , unless i am 
>> doing something wrong, it doesn't seem to work
>>
>> [image: Capture8.PNG]
>>
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:35:43 AM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Put this between <$list.> and  (no details widget needed):
>>>
>>> <$link><$view 
>>> field="title"/><$transclude field="text" 
>>> mode="block"/>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:14:05 PM UTC-5 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 apologies , what i really meant was  using a details widget , i just 
 want to expand /collapse the results for every filter , please let me know 
 if you need any clarificaiton

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:46:46 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:

> You seem to have your select widget inside the main list filter, and 
> so your selection gets repeated over and over.
>
> You probably want to take the select widget outside the main list 
> widget. Then your code will be something like:
>
> <$select  as in your text ...>
>
> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]status{!!status}priority{!!priority}]">
>
> (display results here)
>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i have 3 filter that lists tiddlers matching a specific field value, 
>> one filter  for "in house" another for "pending" and one for "with 
>> Vendor"
>>
>> i want every filter have its results foldable , so in the below 
>> screen shot , i want it to be able  to click an arrow for example using 
>> the 
>> select widget which would collapse expand the tidlers with status  
>> pending 
>>
>> i tried several things with no luck , the select widget doesnt seem 
>> to accept my filter, 
>>
>> [image: Capture7.PNG]
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: folding sections in tidler

[Charlie Veniot]

I see two <$list>, but only one 

Unless my aging eyeballs are missing something ...

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 12:10:58 AM UTC-3 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks David,
>
> should i be replacing anything ? i just added your code , unless i am 
> doing something wrong, it doesn't seem to work
>
> [image: Capture8.PNG]
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:35:43 AM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Put this between <$list.> and  (no details widget needed):
>>
>> <$link><$view 
>> field="title"/><$transclude field="text" 
>> mode="block"/>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:14:05 PM UTC-5 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> apologies , what i really meant was  using a details widget , i just 
>>> want to expand /collapse the results for every filter , please let me know 
>>> if you need any clarificaiton
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:46:46 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>>>
 You seem to have your select widget inside the main list filter, and so 
 your selection gets repeated over and over.

 You probably want to take the select widget outside the main list 
 widget. Then your code will be something like:

 <$select  as in your text ...>

 <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]status{!!status}priority{!!priority}]">

 (display results here)

 

 On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i have 3 filter that lists tiddlers matching a specific field value, 
> one filter  for "in house" another for "pending" and one for "with Vendor"
>
> i want every filter have its results foldable , so in the below screen 
> shot , i want it to be able  to click an arrow for example using the 
> select 
> widget which would collapse expand the tidlers with status  pending 
>
> i tried several things with no luck , the select widget doesnt seem to 
> accept my filter, 
>
> [image: Capture7.PNG]
>


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[tw5] Re: folding sections in tidler

[paulgilbert2000]

Thanks David,

should i be replacing anything ? i just added your code , unless i am doing 
something wrong, it doesn't seem to work

[image: Capture8.PNG]

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:35:43 AM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:

> Put this between <$list.> and  (no details widget needed):
>
> <$link><$view 
> field="title"/><$transclude field="text" 
> mode="block"/>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:14:05 PM UTC-5 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> apologies , what i really meant was  using a details widget , i just want 
>> to expand /collapse the results for every filter , please let me know if 
>> you need any clarificaiton
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:46:46 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> You seem to have your select widget inside the main list filter, and so 
>>> your selection gets repeated over and over.
>>>
>>> You probably want to take the select widget outside the main list 
>>> widget. Then your code will be something like:
>>>
>>> <$select  as in your text ...>
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]status{!!status}priority{!!priority}]">
>>>
>>> (display results here)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 i have 3 filter that lists tiddlers matching a specific field value, 
 one filter  for "in house" another for "pending" and one for "with Vendor"

 i want every filter have its results foldable , so in the below screen 
 shot , i want it to be able  to click an arrow for example using the 
 select 
 widget which would collapse expand the tidlers with status  pending 

 i tried several things with no luck , the select widget doesnt seem to 
 accept my filter, 

 [image: Capture7.PNG]

>>>

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[tw5] Re: folding sections in tidler

[David Gifford]

Put this between <$list.> and  (no details widget needed):

<$link><$view 
field="title"/><$transclude field="text" 
mode="block"/>

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:14:05 PM UTC-5 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> apologies , what i really meant was  using a details widget , i just want 
> to expand /collapse the results for every filter , please let me know if 
> you need any clarificaiton
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:46:46 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> You seem to have your select widget inside the main list filter, and so 
>> your selection gets repeated over and over.
>>
>> You probably want to take the select widget outside the main list widget. 
>> Then your code will be something like:
>>
>> <$select  as in your text ...>
>>
>> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]status{!!status}priority{!!priority}]">
>>
>> (display results here)
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> i have 3 filter that lists tiddlers matching a specific field value, one 
>>> filter  for "in house" another for "pending" and one for "with Vendor"
>>>
>>> i want every filter have its results foldable , so in the below screen 
>>> shot , i want it to be able  to click an arrow for example using the select 
>>> widget which would collapse expand the tidlers with status  pending 
>>>
>>> i tried several things with no luck , the select widget doesnt seem to 
>>> accept my filter, 
>>>
>>> [image: Capture7.PNG]
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: folding sections in tidler

[paulgilbert2000]

apologies , what i really meant was  using a details widget , i just want 
to expand /collapse the results for every filter , please let me know if 
you need any clarificaiton

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:46:46 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:

> You seem to have your select widget inside the main list filter, and so 
> your selection gets repeated over and over.
>
> You probably want to take the select widget outside the main list widget. 
> Then your code will be something like:
>
> <$select  as in your text ...>
>
> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]status{!!status}priority{!!priority}]">
>
> (display results here)
>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i have 3 filter that lists tiddlers matching a specific field value, one 
>> filter  for "in house" another for "pending" and one for "with Vendor"
>>
>> i want every filter have its results foldable , so in the below screen 
>> shot , i want it to be able  to click an arrow for example using the select 
>> widget which would collapse expand the tidlers with status  pending 
>>
>> i tried several things with no luck , the select widget doesnt seem to 
>> accept my filter, 
>>
>> [image: Capture7.PNG]
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: folding sections in tidler

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You seem to have your select widget inside the main list filter, and so 
your selection gets repeated over and over.

You probably want to take the select widget outside the main list widget. 
Then your code will be something like:

<$select  as in your text ...>

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]status{!!status}priority{!!priority}]">

(display results here)



On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i have 3 filter that lists tiddlers matching a specific field value, one 
> filter  for "in house" another for "pending" and one for "with Vendor"
>
> i want every filter have its results foldable , so in the below screen 
> shot , i want it to be able  to click an arrow for example using the select 
> widget which would collapse expand the tidlers with status  pending 
>
> i tried several things with no luck , the select widget doesnt seem to 
> accept my filter, 
>
> [image: Capture7.PNG]
>

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[tw5] Re: Folding

[Mohammad]

Hi Matthew,
 While Eric give you a great solution, you may also like the slider-ii 
macro of  Rob Holez here at TW-Scripts

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Slider%20Macro%20II

Cheers
Mohammad

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 1:21:23 AM UTC+4:30, Matthew Liberman wrote:
>
> Is there an elegant way to have folding sections of tiddlers? I've seen 
> some hacks with buttons but i want to have the usual tiddler folding so i 
> can have each tag transclude tiddlers tagged with it, but have each of 
> those be initially folded.

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[tw5] Re: Folding

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Eric

You are a kind of kind genius.

Just saying.
Josiah

On Thursday, 15 August 2019 04:28:32 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 1:51:23 PM UTC-7, Matthew Liberman wrote:
>  
>
>> Is there an elegant way to have folding sections of tiddlers? I've seen 
>> some hacks with buttons but i want to have the usual tiddler folding so i 
>> can have each tag transclude tiddlers tagged with it, but have each of 
>> those be initially folded.
>
>
> First, create a tiddler, tagged with "$:/tags/Macro", containing:
> \define foldit()
> <$reveal state="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" type="match" text=
> "show">
><$button set="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" setTo="hide" class=
> "tc-btn-invisible"><$text text="$(currentTiddler)$" />
><$transclude tiddler="$(currentTiddler)$" mode="block"/>
> 
> <$reveal state="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" type="nomatch" text="
> show">
><$button set="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" setTo="show" class="
> tc-btn-invisible"><$text text="$(currentTiddler)$" />
>
> 
> \end
>
> Use it like this:
> <$list filter="[tag[TableOfContents]]">
><>
> 
>
> enjoy,
>
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm) 
> http://tiddlytools.github.io (TWClassic)
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Folding

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 1:51:23 PM UTC-7, Matthew Liberman wrote:
 

> Is there an elegant way to have folding sections of tiddlers? I've seen 
> some hacks with buttons but i want to have the usual tiddler folding so i 
> can have each tag transclude tiddlers tagged with it, but have each of 
> those be initially folded.


First, create a tiddler, tagged with "$:/tags/Macro", containing:
\define foldit()
<$reveal state="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" type="match" text="show"
>
   <$button set="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" setTo="hide" class=
"tc-btn-invisible"><$text text="$(currentTiddler)$" />
   <$transclude tiddler="$(currentTiddler)$" mode="block"/>

<$reveal state="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" type="nomatch" text="
show">
   <$button set="$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$" setTo="show" class="tc-
btn-invisible"><$text text="$(currentTiddler)$" />
   

\end

Use it like this:
<$list filter="[tag[TableOfContents]]">
   <>


enjoy,

-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm) http://tiddlytools.github.io 
(TWClassic)
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Re: [tw5] Re: folding editor

[TonyM]

Joe,

For the planning items I still have the aforementioned disposition dates but I 
include

Planing-start planned start date
Planning-due planed completion date personal target
Planning-end do or die delivery end

Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: folding editor

[Joe Armstrong]

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:31 AM TonyM  wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I think this could save you automating, build it right into the model.
>
> Have you seen my algorithim that uses date stamps on fields for task
> management? I think this is a superior method to tags. No need to swap one
> tag for another.
>
> Eg I have the following fields item-started item-completed item-cancelled
> item-archived
> If at any time I timestamp such a field, not only does it change its
> status, but I record when it changed status.
> Using the new subfilter operator I define active-task to equal
> [has[item-started]!has[item-completed]!has[item-cancelled]] - I call this
> tiddler disposition.
> Using this method I can interrogate my tasks in many ways like
>
>- active-task started more than a week ago
>- Task closed today
>
> I also have item-strategic item-tactical and item-operational dates. Each
> representing Monthly, Weekly and Daily
> Listing tactical due I just list active-tasks with a item-tactical older
> than 7 days. When I do a tactical tasks I can just re-stamp it with the
> current date and it will not list for another week
> This allows me to change the review periods without changing any task
> tiddlers. Eg Tactical review of 2 weeks or 14 days.
> These review tiddlers can also have a tiddler disposition as above.
>
> Using this method you could retrofit tools that report how long something
> was active eg item-completed less item-started
> I also allow item-planed-start item-planed-due to be set and can show when
> they are planned to start and past due
>
> Fields are like a specific tag for which you can store a value.
>
> Anything with Item-archived appears in my references list and discourages
> deletion.
>
>
>
Interesting - I shall have to think about this ... one thing I do a lot is
work against deadlines - so things get
to be classified as now when the deadline approaches. I could also guess
how long the job takes
so I could add a descriptor

   deliver-on  takes <2 days> tell me <3 weeks> before 

and let these produce appropriate reminders ...

/Joe




> On Monday, 7 January 2019 07:09:35 UTC+11, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 January 2019 12:05:02 UTC+1, tony wrote:
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:25:19 PM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:


 It seems to me you can come a long way with tags and filter operations
 over tags.

>>>
>>> Indeed! That is why your re-implementation of Chandler is a breath of
>>> fresh air.
>>>
>>> My needs are simple and expedient. I've moved back to analog with the
>>> joys of a fountain pen and paper to more rapidly capture daily tasks.
>>>
>>
>> Yes :-)
>>
>> As regards the automation of simple tasks I've been doing some
>> experiments.
>>
>> I had some tiddlers tagged 'draft' and 'final' then I made a button to
>> change draft to final -
>> the problem was that now I could do this operation too quickly - in order
>> to change draft to
>> final I needed to read what I had written and *think* - the *deliberate*
>> act of adding a new tag and
>> removing an old one slowed things down.
>>
>> Automating this meant I could do the operation faster than
>> I could think - also automation added a layer of unnecessary complication
>> - the power of the system
>> came from the filter operations over tags and not the ability to automate
>> tag manipulation.
>>
>> Deciding how much to automate is a very tricky problem and needs several
>> rounds of prototyping
>> to get it right.
>>
>> Personally I favor the idea of a minimal viable program (see
>> https://joearms.github.io/#2014-06-25%20Minimal%20Viable%20Programs)
>>
>> I'll have to implement the ticket system I described above in the TW :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I still believe in a simple hyperlinked plain CamelCased wiki
>>>  as a repository for my stuff not as a Jira or
>>> Trax replacement.
>>>
>>> For me, not every wiki entry is/needs the UI widget baggage polluting
>>> the text area since the wiki is not the end product, but a means to
>>> externalize memory in plain text.
>>>
>>> If tasks and projects are important enough I add them to my TiddlyWiki
>>> and then archive to VimWiki  which
>>> is better cross platform.
>>>
>>> Plus I'm intellectually too impatient and lazy to learn more TiddlyWiki
>>> tinkering. I'm still learning the command line.
>>>
>>> Too much friction leads me to abandonment. [1]
>>>
>>> Chandler provides the convenience of separating actionable items from
>>> rest of the wiki. This is why a simple semantic tag, 'chandler' is so
>>> powerful. It separates my wiki into actionable and not actionable stuff
>>> much like sparse trees and agenda in OrgMode 
>>>
>>>
 So what does your new ChandlerDone look like? - I'm curious

>>>
>>> Chandler's dashboard reminds me of Korsakov's LinearHomeoscope
>>>   

[tw5] Re: folding editor

[TonyM]

Joe,

I think this could save you automating, build it right into the model.

Have you seen my algorithim that uses date stamps on fields for task 
management? I think this is a superior method to tags. No need to swap one 
tag for another.

Eg I have the following fields item-started item-completed item-cancelled 
item-archived
If at any time I timestamp such a field, not only does it change its 
status, but I record when it changed status. 
Using the new subfilter operator I define active-task to equal 
[has[item-started]!has[item-completed]!has[item-cancelled]] - I call this 
tiddler disposition.
Using this method I can interrogate my tasks in many ways like 

   - active-task started more than a week ago
   - Task closed today
   
I also have item-strategic item-tactical and item-operational dates. Each 
representing Monthly, Weekly and Daily
Listing tactical due I just list active-tasks with a item-tactical older 
than 7 days. When I do a tactical tasks I can just re-stamp it with the 
current date and it will not list for another week
This allows me to change the review periods without changing any task 
tiddlers. Eg Tactical review of 2 weeks or 14 days.
These review tiddlers can also have a tiddler disposition as above.

Using this method you could retrofit tools that report how long something 
was active eg item-completed less item-started
I also allow item-planed-start item-planed-due to be set and can show when 
they are planned to start and past due

Fields are like a specific tag for which you can store a value.

Anything with Item-archived appears in my references list and discourages 
deletion.


On Monday, 7 January 2019 07:09:35 UTC+11, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 6 January 2019 12:05:02 UTC+1, tony wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:25:19 PM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me you can come a long way with tags and filter operations 
>>> over tags. 
>>>
>>
>> Indeed! That is why your re-implementation of Chandler is a breath of 
>> fresh air.
>>
>> My needs are simple and expedient. I've moved back to analog with the 
>> joys of a fountain pen and paper to more rapidly capture daily tasks.
>>
>
> Yes :-)
>
> As regards the automation of simple tasks I've been doing some experiments.
>
> I had some tiddlers tagged 'draft' and 'final' then I made a button to 
> change draft to final -
> the problem was that now I could do this operation too quickly - in order 
> to change draft to
> final I needed to read what I had written and *think* - the *deliberate* 
> act of adding a new tag and 
> removing an old one slowed things down. 
>
> Automating this meant I could do the operation faster than
> I could think - also automation added a layer of unnecessary complication 
> - the power of the system
> came from the filter operations over tags and not the ability to automate 
> tag manipulation.
>
> Deciding how much to automate is a very tricky problem and needs several 
> rounds of prototyping
> to get it right.
>
> Personally I favor the idea of a minimal viable program (see
> https://joearms.github.io/#2014-06-25%20Minimal%20Viable%20Programs)
>
> I'll have to implement the ticket system I described above in the TW :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>  
>  
>
>>  
>> I still believe in a simple hyperlinked plain CamelCased wiki 
>>  as a repository for my stuff not as a Jira or Trax 
>> replacement.  
>>
>> For me, not every wiki entry is/needs the UI widget baggage polluting the 
>> text area since the wiki is not the end product, but a means to externalize 
>> memory in plain text.
>>
>> If tasks and projects are important enough I add them to my TiddlyWiki 
>> and then archive to VimWiki  which 
>> is better cross platform.
>>
>> Plus I'm intellectually too impatient and lazy to learn more TiddlyWiki 
>> tinkering. I'm still learning the command line.
>>
>> Too much friction leads me to abandonment. [1] 
>>
>> Chandler provides the convenience of separating actionable items from 
>> rest of the wiki. This is why a simple semantic tag, 'chandler' is so 
>> powerful. It separates my wiki into actionable and not actionable stuff 
>> much like sparse trees and agenda in OrgMode  
>>  
>>
>>> So what does your new ChandlerDone look like? - I'm curious
>>>
>>
>> Chandler's dashboard reminds me of Korsakov's LinearHomeoscope 
>>   where adding 
>> another Archive 'pin' to ChandlerDone 'search'
>>
>> <$button>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="archive"/>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="done"/>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="chandler"/>
>> {{$:/core/images/chevron-left}}archive
>> 
>>
>> results in returning the done actionable items back into the broader 
>> wiki. 
>>
>> Essentially in GTD  speak back to 
>> supporting notes.
>>
>> 

[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Joe Armstrong]

On Sunday, 6 January 2019 12:05:02 UTC+1, tony wrote:
>
> On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:25:19 PM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>>
>> It seems to me you can come a long way with tags and filter operations 
>> over tags. 
>>
>
> Indeed! That is why your re-implementation of Chandler is a breath of 
> fresh air.
>
> My needs are simple and expedient. I've moved back to analog with the joys 
> of a fountain pen and paper to more rapidly capture daily tasks.
>

Yes :-)

As regards the automation of simple tasks I've been doing some experiments.

I had some tiddlers tagged 'draft' and 'final' then I made a button to 
change draft to final -
the problem was that now I could do this operation too quickly - in order 
to change draft to
final I needed to read what I had written and *think* - the *deliberate* 
act of adding a new tag and 
removing an old one slowed things down. 

Automating this meant I could do the operation faster than
I could think - also automation added a layer of unnecessary complication - 
the power of the system
came from the filter operations over tags and not the ability to automate 
tag manipulation.

Deciding how much to automate is a very tricky problem and needs several 
rounds of prototyping
to get it right.

Personally I favor the idea of a minimal viable program (see
https://joearms.github.io/#2014-06-25%20Minimal%20Viable%20Programs)

I'll have to implement the ticket system I described above in the TW :-)

Cheers

/Joe

 
 

>  
> I still believe in a simple hyperlinked plain CamelCased wiki 
>  as a repository for my stuff not as a Jira or Trax 
> replacement.  
>
> For me, not every wiki entry is/needs the UI widget baggage polluting the 
> text area since the wiki is not the end product, but a means to externalize 
> memory in plain text.
>
> If tasks and projects are important enough I add them to my TiddlyWiki and 
> then archive to VimWiki  which is 
> better cross platform.
>
> Plus I'm intellectually too impatient and lazy to learn more TiddlyWiki 
> tinkering. I'm still learning the command line.
>
> Too much friction leads me to abandonment. [1] 
>
> Chandler provides the convenience of separating actionable items from rest 
> of the wiki. This is why a simple semantic tag, 'chandler' is so powerful. 
> It separates my wiki into actionable and not actionable stuff much like 
> sparse trees and agenda in OrgMode  
>  
>
>> So what does your new ChandlerDone look like? - I'm curious
>>
>
> Chandler's dashboard reminds me of Korsakov's LinearHomeoscope 
>   where adding 
> another Archive 'pin' to ChandlerDone 'search'
>
> <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="archive"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="done"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="chandler"/>
> {{$:/core/images/chevron-left}}archive
> 
>
> results in returning the done actionable items back into the broader wiki. 
>
> Essentially in GTD  speak back to 
> supporting notes.
>
> And what of tiddlers that need to go back to the Chandler dashboard, like 
> say recurring action items?
>
> We can retag with 'chandler' and 'now'
>
> I added a ChandlerizeButton tagged with 
> $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>
> as outlined in Customise TiddlyWiki  
> 
>
> <$fieldmangler>
> <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="archive"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="chandler"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="now"/>
> {{$:/core/images/star-filled}}
> 
> 
>
> and added its button title,
> {{ChandlerizeButton}}
>
> to position it accordingly in the ViewToolbar
>
> TiddlyWiki's powerful search will recall past archived projects and tasks 
> and I click the star ChandlerizeButton to add it back to the Chandler 
> dashboard set to my Home button.
>
> This allows simple movement of entries in and out of Chandler completing 
> the triage loop and system for me. 
>
> Since there is date stamping [2] for plain text future proofing, a 
> calendar is extra frosting! 
>
> Thanks again, Joe
>
> Best,
> tony
>
> [1] The TiddlyWiki Classic (TWC) past was glorious and littered with 
> TiddlyTasks TogglyTagging siglets CycleTags 
>  and endless tasting of 
> all this generous group has to offer. Eric L Shulman's TiddlyTools 
>  was a fount of tinkering tools, but with great 
> power, comes great responsibility.
>
> Imagine having to maintain this in 5, 10, 20 years?
>
> Over time I found the need to switch back to simplicity like evil org-mode 
> adding deft  then finally settled on 
> VimWiki . Investing in time tested 
> tools like bash, 

[tw5] Re: folding editor

[tony]

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:25:19 PM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me you can come a long way with tags and filter operations 
> over tags. 
>

Indeed! That is why your re-implementation of Chandler is a breath of fresh 
air.

My needs are simple and expedient. I've moved back to analog with the joys 
of a fountain pen and paper to more rapidly capture daily tasks.
 
I still believe in a simple hyperlinked plain CamelCased wiki 
 as a repository for my stuff not as a Jira or Trax 
replacement.  

For me, not every wiki entry is/needs the UI widget baggage polluting the 
text area since the wiki is not the end product, but a means to externalize 
memory in plain text.

If tasks and projects are important enough I add them to my TiddlyWiki and 
then archive to VimWiki  which is 
better cross platform.

Plus I'm intellectually too impatient and lazy to learn more TiddlyWiki 
tinkering. I'm still learning the command line.

Too much friction leads me to abandonment. [1] 

Chandler provides the convenience of separating actionable items from rest 
of the wiki. This is why a simple semantic tag, 'chandler' is so powerful. 
It separates my wiki into actionable and not actionable stuff much like 
sparse trees and agenda in OrgMode  
 

> So what does your new ChandlerDone look like? - I'm curious
>

Chandler's dashboard reminds me of Korsakov's LinearHomeoscope 
  where adding 
another Archive 'pin' to ChandlerDone 'search'

<$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="archive"/>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="done"/>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="chandler"/>
{{$:/core/images/chevron-left}}archive


results in returning the done actionable items back into the broader wiki. 

Essentially in GTD  speak back to 
supporting notes.

And what of tiddlers that need to go back to the Chandler dashboard, like 
say recurring action items?

We can retag with 'chandler' and 'now'

I added a ChandlerizeButton tagged with 
$:/tags/ViewToolbar

as outlined in Customise TiddlyWiki  


<$fieldmangler>
<$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="archive"/>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="chandler"/>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="now"/>
{{$:/core/images/star-filled}}



and added its button title,
{{ChandlerizeButton}}

to position it accordingly in the ViewToolbar

TiddlyWiki's powerful search will recall past archived projects and tasks 
and I click the star ChandlerizeButton to add it back to the Chandler 
dashboard set to my Home button.

This allows simple movement of entries in and out of Chandler completes the 
triage loop and system for me. 

Since there is date stamping [2] for plain text future proofing, a calendar 
is extra frosting! 

Thanks again, Joe

Best,
tony

[1] The TiddlyWiki Classic (TWC) past was glorious and littered with 
TiddlyTasks TogglyTagging siglets and endless tasting of all this generous 
group has to offer. Eric L Shulman's TiddlyTools  
was a fount of tinkering tools, but with great power, comes great 
responsibility.

Imagine having to maintain this in 5, 10, 20 years?

Over time I found the need to switch back to simplicity like evil org-mode 
adding deft  then finally settled on 
VimWiki . Investing in time tested 
tools like bash, emacs and vim has been fruitful plus CodeMirror bindings 
in TiddlyWiki for vim and emacs means old tricks still work for this old 
dog.

[2]  I like literal hard coding for future proofing thanks to Riz's date 
stamp button 
 on my 
Editor toolbar, I can log entries and recall with simple search inside or 
outside of TiddlyWiki

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Joe,

A while ago – must be a few years now – I went down the same road with the 
same tasks: learning while building my own todo system. 

It will be interesting to see where you end and if/when you will start to 
integrate solutions from others. For myself there were two parts I left 
out: 

   - checklists within tasks (minimal steps belonging to a task)
   - dealing with timestamps (date and time chooser)

The rest I invented myself I think. And I learned a lot. The hard way. So 
good luck and all the best for your journey!

Reminder to myself: Update TDN .

Cheers,
Thomas

Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2019 14:29:27 UTC+1 schrieb Joe Armstrong:

> I'm doing this to learn the TW - I want to write all the code myself and 
> understand every line
> which is why I don't want to use plugins (yet :-)
>

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Mohammad]

Joe
I think the tiddlywiki is a new programming paradigm. Working on top of the JS, 
CSS, and html, it brings a dynamic scripting language. It can change the way we 
use HTML. It is a high level scripting compared to JS and much easier.

One problem in spreading Tiddlywiki for more uses and applications in other 
areas is documentation.
 There is little documentation on TW and most of them are not easy to 
understand. What you said above is correct. For basic usage the learning curve 
is steep but then you encounter many troubles, that because you can't find a 
good resource to explains what every element of TW can do for you. Thanks to 
the kind and helpful people of this forum, without them going beyond the basics 
is impossible.

I hope documentation can get a higher priority for TW. I am sure then, the 
development speed will be much more than this.

Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Joe Armstrong]

On Friday, 4 January 2019 07:56:00 UTC+1, tony wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I don't have an answer to the folding editor but toggling the preview pane 
> (eyelid icon on toolbar or alt-p) allows you to see changes when you edit. 
>
> I really enjoyed your blog post about Chandler and task management triage. 
> Having tried so many different task managers, it is refreshing to see 
> something so clear, simple and well executed. I just dragged in all the 
> chandler tiddlers and set Chandler as a default tiddler on startup. I like 
> that the chandler tasks are not marred by widget code or additional field 
> metadata; everything is handled by tag state changes.
>

Thanks - to be honest, I haven't yet understood the widget and macro 
evaluation mechanisms.
There are loads of example, but I still have to guess what they mean and do 
many experiments.

The reason I'm trying to do everything without macros and with minimal use 
of widgets
is that I don't want to obscure what's going on. I want to expose the 
underlying logic rather than make 
it look "pretty" (prettyfication can come later)

It seems to me you can come a long way with tags and filter operations over 
tags. The list-links
with a filter is, to me, an embedded query in what is essentially predicate 
logic - this alone
is very powerful (I was for a long time a Prolog fan, so I think this is 
like embedding predicate logic in
a html framework with some Javascript to reformat the results and make them 
pretty).

The dynamic bindings remind me of Alan Boring's ThingLab from the late 70's 
(See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThingLab) again very powerful.

I'm slowly understanding the documentation - it seems to me that if you 
understand how the system works then you can understand the documentation. 
But if you don't understand how it works the documentation is rather 
difficult to understand.
 

>
> I've already tweaked 
> {{ChandlerDone}}
> with an archive button and set the date format to a ISO 8601 preference
> <>
> so Chandler is really working to focus running tasks. 
>
>
So what does your new ChandlerDone look like? - I'm curious


I think Chandler is fine as is but if you continue development, here are 
> some calendar links that may be helpful:
>
>- http://remindermacros.tiddlyspot.com/  
>- http://www.tiddlytools.com/#CalendarPlugin 
>- http://simplecalendar.tiddlyspot.com/
>- 
>
> http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Calendar%20Plugin:%5B%5BCalendar%20Plugin%5D%5D%201-2-1991
>
>
Thanks - this is added to my "Later" list :-)
 

>
>- 
>
> Thanks again,
> tony
>
> On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 12:36:34 AM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>>
>> In my blog 
>> https://joearms.github.io/#2018-12-26%20Fun%20with%20the%20TiddlyWiki 
>> 
>>
>> I have a code fragment like this:
>>
>> {{ChandlerButtons}}
>> {{ChandlerNow}}
>> {{ChandlerLater}}
>> {{ChandlerDone}}
>>
>>
>> I rather liked this.
>>
>> Is there a "folding editor" macro - could I write something like:
>>
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>>
>> Which presents me with a clickable fold to edit the underlying tiddler.
>>
>> This would be very nice to have :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[tony]

Hi Joe,

I don't have an answer to the folding editor but toggling the preview pane 
(eyelid icon on toolbar or alt-p) allows you to see changes when you edit. 

I really enjoyed your blog post about Chandler and task management triage. 
Having tried so many different task managers, it is refreshing to see 
something so clear, simple and well executed. I just dragged in all the 
chandler tiddlers and set Chandler as a default tiddler on startup. I like 
that the chandler tasks are not marred by widget code or additional field 
metadata; everything is handled by tag state changes.

I've already tweaked 
{{ChandlerDone}}
with an archive button and set the date format to a ISO 8601 preference
<>
so Chandler is really working to focus running tasks. 

I think Chandler is fine as is but if you continue development, here are 
some calendar links that may be helpful:

   - http://remindermacros.tiddlyspot.com/  
   - http://www.tiddlytools.com/#CalendarPlugin 
   - http://simplecalendar.tiddlyspot.com/
   - 
   
http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Calendar%20Plugin:%5B%5BCalendar%20Plugin%5D%5D%201-2-1991
   
Thanks again,
tony

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 12:36:34 AM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> In my blog 
> https://joearms.github.io/#2018-12-26%20Fun%20with%20the%20TiddlyWiki 
> 
>
> I have a code fragment like this:
>
> {{ChandlerButtons}}
> {{ChandlerNow}}
> {{ChandlerLater}}
> {{ChandlerDone}}
>
>
> I rather liked this.
>
> Is there a "folding editor" macro - could I write something like:
>
> <>
> <>
> <>
> <>
>
> Which presents me with a clickable fold to edit the underlying tiddler.
>
> This would be very nice to have :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Joe Armstrong]

On Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:15:02 UTC+1, Watt wrote:
>
> This any help Joe? I copy pasted it from somewhere on the forum a long 
> time ago, I think it was Mark S. who wrote it. Unlike you I understand less 
> than 20% of what I put into TW so I can't explain anything. Think monkeys 
> with typewriters. You probably know how to do this already but it might 
> help someone else.
>
> <$wikify name=tagvalue text=<> >
> <$checkbox tag=<> > tick to add today's date as a tag
> 
> 
>

I see - that was *very* instructive - reading the manual page for 
CheckboxWidget makes
sense if you play with an example at the same time

At first this looks like gobbledygook.

But a quick experiment with <$checkbox tag="hello"> click to add 
hello

reveals what the checkbox does :-)

Once you know what it does you can understand the documentation

Cheers

/Joe






 

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Joe Armstrong]

On Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:27:11 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Is this a reference to the Chandler PIM project that ceased development in 
> 2008 ?
>

Yes - described here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_(software)

I'd implemented parts of this in js and a back-end server a few years ago -
it was a very fun project. The design notes are great to read (if you can 
find them,
they are buried somewhere on the web :-)

/Joe

 

>
> -- Mark
>
> On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 12:36:34 AM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>>
>> In my blog 
>> https://joearms.github.io/#2018-12-26%20Fun%20with%20the%20TiddlyWiki
>>
>> I have a code fragment like this:
>>
>> {{ChandlerButtons}}
>> {{ChandlerNow}}
>> {{ChandlerLater}}
>> {{ChandlerDone}}
>>
>>
>> I rather liked this.
>>
>> Is there a "folding editor" macro - could I write something like:
>>
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>>
>> Which presents me with a clickable fold to edit the underlying tiddler.
>>
>> This would be very nice to have :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Is this a reference to the Chandler PIM project that ceased development in 
2008 ?

-- Mark

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 12:36:34 AM UTC-8, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> In my blog 
> https://joearms.github.io/#2018-12-26%20Fun%20with%20the%20TiddlyWiki
>
> I have a code fragment like this:
>
> {{ChandlerButtons}}
> {{ChandlerNow}}
> {{ChandlerLater}}
> {{ChandlerDone}}
>
>
> I rather liked this.
>
> Is there a "folding editor" macro - could I write something like:
>
> <>
> <>
> <>
> <>
>
> Which presents me with a clickable fold to edit the underlying tiddler.
>
> This would be very nice to have :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Watt]

This any help Joe? I copy pasted it from somewhere on the forum a long time 
ago, I think it was Mark S. who wrote it. Unlike you I understand less than 20% 
of what I put into TW so I can't explain anything. Think monkeys with 
typewriters. You probably know how to do this already but it might help someone 
else.

<$wikify name=tagvalue text=<> >
<$checkbox tag=<> > tick to add today's date as a tag



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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Joe Armstrong]

On Thursday, 3 January 2019 13:15:07 UTC+1, Watt wrote:
>
> Hey Joe, where you going with that ChandlerDone in your hand?' - Hendrix 
> meets The Big Sleep?


I'm doing this to learn the TW - I want to write all the code myself and 
understand every line
which is why I don't want to use plugins (yet :-)

The next thing to add to Chandler is a calender - I want to cause 
activities to be added to NOW
on a timer (so I need a change tags to 'chandler' + 'now' at time T) and I 
currently have no
idea how to do this.




 

> This is very nice. It works on TWApp for mobile too. Links, transclusions 
> and list filters created in the edit text also work.
>
> For mobile use can I ask;
>
> 1. How to increase the size of the buttons?
>

Good question - no idea yet - I guess you do view source figure out the css 
class and modify it
 

> 2. The title of the tiddler to be created, eg ChandlerDone, is shown 
> before clicking on the edit pen icon that creates it. Is it possible to 
> show it after clicking the 'done' tick as well? (Maybe as a link).
>

Maybe :-)
 

> 3. The title of the new target tiddler is pre-named in the Macro eg . Is 
> there a way to enter the new title in the text edit window at the point of 
> creation?
>

Probably - but since you have to enter it once this seems like an 
unessential feature
 

> 4. Clicking done displays the new text in the 'host' tiddler. Is it 
> possible to display the title only, with the edit pen beside it so that the 
> new tiddler can be edited in place if necessary but its contents aren't 
> displayed. (My use case might be different to Joe's - I'm aiming at one 
> home tiddler on a mobile that lists tiddlers created and allows me to edit 
> them without leaving the Home tiddler. If I want to see their full content 
> I click on the edit pen or open the tiddler itself.)
>
> I realise BTC time is a precious commodity so ignore any of these requests 
> if they're too complicated. This Macro is already super useful as it is. 
> Big Thanks to you and Joe.
>

Glad you liked it - it is actually rather useful - I've set my homepage to 
Chandler and it's nice to juggle
the Now and Later jobs.

Again my goal is understanding and beautiful code.

I rather like the Chandler Tiddler code

{{ChandlerButtons}}
{{ChandlerNow}}
{{ChandlerLater}}
{{ChandlerDone}}

Using transclusions to structure the code is very nice -- unfortunately the 
code in the transclusions
is not so beautiful

Cheers

/Joe

 

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Watt]

Hey Joe, where you going with that ChandlerDone in your hand?' - Hendrix meets 
The Big Sleep?

This is very nice. It works on TWApp for mobile too. Links, transclusions and 
list filters created in the edit text also work.

For mobile use can I ask;

1. How to increase the size of the buttons?

2. The title of the tiddler to be created, eg ChandlerDone, is shown before 
clicking on the edit pen icon that creates it. Is it possible to show it after 
clicking the 'done' tick as well? (Maybe as a link).

3. The title of the new target tiddler is pre-named in the Macro eg . Is there 
a way to enter the new title in the text edit window at the point of creation?

4. Clicking done displays the new text in the 'host' tiddler. Is it possible to 
display the title only, with the edit pen beside it so that the new tiddler can 
be edited in place if necessary but its contents aren't displayed. (My use case 
might be different to Joe's - I'm aiming at one home tiddler on a mobile that 
lists tiddlers created and allows me to edit them without leaving the Home 
tiddler. If I want to see their full content I click on the edit pen or open 
the tiddler itself.)

I realise BTC time is a precious commodity so ignore any of these requests if 
they're too complicated. This Macro is already super useful as it is. Big 
Thanks to you and Joe.



 

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[Joe Armstrong]

Wow - that was very clever - I shall study this with interest.

But it's not quite right.

<>

Should initially display a fancy styled link saying "Tiddler" (just a 
single line)
When clicked it should unfold in place (ie not in a new tiddler) with the 
wikiText of Tiddler in an editor so I can
edit it (possibly with a live preview)

It would be very nice if this worked like org-mode in emacs or
the old Occam editor for the transputer (if anybody remembers that :-)

Cheers

/Joe







On Thursday, 3 January 2019 10:44:45 UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hey Joe, something like this?
>
> \define folding-editor(tiddler)
> <$set name="state" value={{{ [[$:/state/folding-editor/]addsuffix
> addsuffix<__tiddler__>] }}}>
> <$reveal stateTitle=<> type="nomatch" text="edit">
> 
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" setTitle=<> setTo="edit">{{$:
> /core/images/edit-button}}
> 
> <$list filter="[<__tiddler__>is[missing]] 
> [<__tiddler__>!is[missing]!has[text]]">
> <<__tiddler__>>
> 
> <$transclude tiddler=<<__tiddler__>> mode="block"/>
> 
> <$reveal stateTitle=<> type="match" text="edit">
> 
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" setTitle=<> setTo="">{{$:/core/
> images/done-button}}
> 
> <$edit-text class="tc-edit-texteditor" tiddler=<<__tiddler__>> 
> tag="textarea" default="" placeholder={{$:/language/EditTemplate/Body/
> Placeholder}}/>
> 
> 
> \end
>
>
>
>> In my blog 
>> https://joearms.github.io/#2018-12-26%20Fun%20with%20the%20TiddlyWiki
>>
>> I have a code fragment like this:
>>
>> {{ChandlerButtons}}
>> {{ChandlerNow}}
>> {{ChandlerLater}}
>> {{ChandlerDone}}
>>
>>
>> I rather liked this.
>>
>> Is there a "folding editor" macro - could I write something like:
>>
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>>
>> Which presents me with a clickable fold to edit the underlying tiddler.
>>
>> This would be very nice to have :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: folding editor

[BurningTreeC]

Hey Joe, something like this?

\define folding-editor(tiddler)
<$set name="state" value={{{ [[$:/state/folding-editor/]addsuffix
addsuffix<__tiddler__>] }}}>
<$reveal stateTitle=<> type="nomatch" text="edit">

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible" setTitle=<> setTo="edit">{{$:/core/
images/edit-button}}

<$list filter="[<__tiddler__>is[missing]] 
[<__tiddler__>!is[missing]!has[text]]">
<<__tiddler__>>

<$transclude tiddler=<<__tiddler__>> mode="block"/>

<$reveal stateTitle=<> type="match" text="edit">

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible" setTitle=<> setTo="">{{$:/core/
images/done-button}}

<$edit-text class="tc-edit-texteditor" tiddler=<<__tiddler__>> 
tag="textarea" default="" placeholder={{$:/language/EditTemplate/Body/
Placeholder}}/>


\end



> In my blog 
> https://joearms.github.io/#2018-12-26%20Fun%20with%20the%20TiddlyWiki
>
> I have a code fragment like this:
>
> {{ChandlerButtons}}
> {{ChandlerNow}}
> {{ChandlerLater}}
> {{ChandlerDone}}
>
>
> I rather liked this.
>
> Is there a "folding editor" macro - could I write something like:
>
> <>
> <>
> <>
> <>
>
> Which presents me with a clickable fold to edit the underlying tiddler.
>
> This would be very nice to have :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>

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