[tw5] Re: Notation editor

[arun babu]

Hi Tones,

I tried the new windows button shared by you for opening a tiddler in edit 
and view modes in a separate window. Hope you can develop it further to 
open multiple tiddlers in a modal window in edit and view modes based on 
the searched keyword. Best wishes.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 6:59:59 PM UTC+5:30 arun babu wrote:

> Thanks Saq for the reply. I tried NValt and the workflow seemed nice. Your 
> notation editor gives a rapid overview of tiddlers based on the searched 
> keyword and allow simultaneously editing also. This can reduce unnecessary 
> time wastage and increase our productivity. My intention for posting the 
> video link was to introduce this workflow with notation editor to people 
> who haven't seen that video, especially the new users of tiddlywiki. Incase 
> someone with enough knowledge in wikitext gets inspired to create a similar 
> one, that would be a bonus.
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 3:27:58 PM UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arun,
>>
>> While I use Notation every day, I haven't had the chance to update it for 
>> the current core version even for myself since the time of that video. So a 
>> public release is extremely unlikely. Furthermore I will not be posting a 
>> demo of the existing code. My experience with sharing public demos has been 
>> very disappointing in that there are always user who will ignore all 
>> warnings and disclaimers and try to use the code, run into issues and 
>> create support work for myself and/or the community that there is never a 
>> good way to resolve, and I personally feel this reflects poorly on 
>> TiddlyWiki as a whole. This is why all recent demos I have shared have been 
>> via videos even though I find that a suboptimal medium.
>>
>> I have spent whatever time I could spare since the time of that demo on 
>> slowly introducing to the TiddlyWiki core all of the custom (JavaScript) 
>> solutions that I had developed for Notation, as well as filters etc that 
>> make the implementation a lot easier than it was originally. 
>>
>> *As a result, today anyone experienced with wikitext coding can create a 
>> similar UX entirely in wikitext.*
>>
>> A while back before the 5.1.23 release I also posted a demo of a similar 
>> but simpler UX that used the keyboard-driven-input macro. It displayed the 
>> editor using my Floats prototype, but could just as easily be shown in a 
>> modal. That might be a starting point.
>>
>> I have to say that I still don't think that particular UX and workflow 
>> would be of interest to most TiddlyWiki users... I use it essentially like 
>> a text editor with very little usage of other TiddlyWiki features.
>>
>> If you just want to get an idea of what the user experience is like, it 
>> modelled after the free OSX application Notational Velocity,  which has a 
>> newer fork called NValt and a windows clone called ResophNotes. Perhaps 
>> give one of them a whirl and see if it even makes sense for your workflow.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:09:28 PM UTC+2 arunn...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
>>> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
>>> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
>>> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
>>> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
>>> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
>>> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
>>> use as he had told here 
>>> . 
>>> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
>>> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
>>> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Notation editor

[arun babu]

Thanks Saq for the reply. I tried NValt and the workflow seemed nice. Your 
notation editor gives a rapid overview of tiddlers based on the searched 
keyword and allow simultaneously editing also. This can reduce unnecessary 
time wastage and increase our productivity. My intention for posting the 
video link was to introduce this workflow with notation editor to people 
who haven't seen that video, especially the new users of tiddlywiki. Incase 
someone with enough knowledge in wikitext gets inspired to create a similar 
one, that would be a bonus.
On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 3:27:58 PM UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Arun,
>
> While I use Notation every day, I haven't had the chance to update it for 
> the current core version even for myself since the time of that video. So a 
> public release is extremely unlikely. Furthermore I will not be posting a 
> demo of the existing code. My experience with sharing public demos has been 
> very disappointing in that there are always user who will ignore all 
> warnings and disclaimers and try to use the code, run into issues and 
> create support work for myself and/or the community that there is never a 
> good way to resolve, and I personally feel this reflects poorly on 
> TiddlyWiki as a whole. This is why all recent demos I have shared have been 
> via videos even though I find that a suboptimal medium.
>
> I have spent whatever time I could spare since the time of that demo on 
> slowly introducing to the TiddlyWiki core all of the custom (JavaScript) 
> solutions that I had developed for Notation, as well as filters etc that 
> make the implementation a lot easier than it was originally. 
>
> *As a result, today anyone experienced with wikitext coding can create a 
> similar UX entirely in wikitext.*
>
> A while back before the 5.1.23 release I also posted a demo of a similar 
> but simpler UX that used the keyboard-driven-input macro. It displayed the 
> editor using my Floats prototype, but could just as easily be shown in a 
> modal. That might be a starting point.
>
> I have to say that I still don't think that particular UX and workflow 
> would be of interest to most TiddlyWiki users... I use it essentially like 
> a text editor with very little usage of other TiddlyWiki features.
>
> If you just want to get an idea of what the user experience is like, it 
> modelled after the free OSX application Notational Velocity,  which has a 
> newer fork called NValt and a windows clone called ResophNotes. Perhaps 
> give one of them a whirl and see if it even makes sense for your workflow.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:09:28 PM UTC+2 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
>> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
>> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
>> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
>> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
>> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
>> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
>> use as he had told here 
>> . 
>> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
>> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
>> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Notation editor

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Arun,

While I use Notation every day, I haven't had the chance to update it for 
the current core version even for myself since the time of that video. So a 
public release is extremely unlikely. Furthermore I will not be posting a 
demo of the existing code. My experience with sharing public demos has been 
very disappointing in that there are always user who will ignore all 
warnings and disclaimers and try to use the code, run into issues and 
create support work for myself and/or the community that there is never a 
good way to resolve, and I personally feel this reflects poorly on 
TiddlyWiki as a whole. This is why all recent demos I have shared have been 
via videos even though I find that a suboptimal medium.

I have spent whatever time I could spare since the time of that demo on 
slowly introducing to the TiddlyWiki core all of the custom (JavaScript) 
solutions that I had developed for Notation, as well as filters etc that 
make the implementation a lot easier than it was originally. 

*As a result, today anyone experienced with wikitext coding can create a 
similar UX entirely in wikitext.*

A while back before the 5.1.23 release I also posted a demo of a similar 
but simpler UX that used the keyboard-driven-input macro. It displayed the 
editor using my Floats prototype, but could just as easily be shown in a 
modal. That might be a starting point.

I have to say that I still don't think that particular UX and workflow 
would be of interest to most TiddlyWiki users... I use it essentially like 
a text editor with very little usage of other TiddlyWiki features.

If you just want to get an idea of what the user experience is like, it 
modelled after the free OSX application Notational Velocity,  which has a 
newer fork called NValt and a windows clone called ResophNotes. Perhaps 
give one of them a whirl and see if it even makes sense for your workflow.

Cheers,
Saq
On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:09:28 PM UTC+2 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
> use as he had told here 
> . 
> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Notation editor

[TW Tones]

Arunn,

Attached are two new window buttons I created to edit a tiddler in a 
separate window, and also a view in separate window that uses the view 
template rather than just render the body.

These could be made into modals quite easily.

I will look at the command pallet plugin.

Tones

On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 13:07:42 UTC+10 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:

> The search part could be done using command palette plug in and i am using 
> it in my wiki. It’s the tiddler viewing and editing within the same modal 
> which got me interested. 
> It must be difficult for Saq to find time to work on this at the moment. 
> That’s why I posted this video link so that someone else gets inspired to 
> create their own version of the notation editor.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 7:58 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> arun..
>>
>> Various aspects of this are already available, and some could be 
>> recreated fairly easily. 
>>
>> Perhaps you can spell out features you would like to use.
>>
>>- have a look for the stories plugin or stroll edition by David 
>>Gifford for the duel story
>>- The actual notation modal is somewhat trivial for me to create, the 
>>only area I don't know how to handle is the interface for searching and 
>>selecting tiddler titles with its efficient dynamic viewing etc... 
>> Although 
>>an number of improvements of late and in the 5.2.0 prerelease will make 
>>this easier.
>>
>> Of course it would be nice if Saq can provide a published version of 
>> notation, how ever he has contributed a lot lately such as streams.
>>
>> In keeping with streams perhaps if Saq could just provide the tiddler 
>> selection and title search as a module, I could rebuild the notation 
>> solution myself, and make use of the module in other places.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 01:09:28 UTC+10 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
>>> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
>>> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
>>> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
>>> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
>>> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
>>> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
>>> use as he had told here 
>>> . 
>>> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
>>> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
>>> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notation editor

[arun babu]

The search part could be done using command palette plug in and i am using
it in my wiki. It’s the tiddler viewing and editing within the same modal
which got me interested.
It must be difficult for Saq to find time to work on this at the moment.
That’s why I posted this video link so that someone else gets inspired to
create their own version of the notation editor.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 7:58 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> arun..
>
> Various aspects of this are already available, and some could be recreated
> fairly easily.
>
> Perhaps you can spell out features you would like to use.
>
>- have a look for the stories plugin or stroll edition by David
>Gifford for the duel story
>- The actual notation modal is somewhat trivial for me to create, the
>only area I don't know how to handle is the interface for searching and
>selecting tiddler titles with its efficient dynamic viewing etc... Although
>an number of improvements of late and in the 5.2.0 prerelease will make
>this easier.
>
> Of course it would be nice if Saq can provide a published version of
> notation, how ever he has contributed a lot lately such as streams.
>
> In keeping with streams perhaps if Saq could just provide the tiddler
> selection and title search as a module, I could rebuild the notation
> solution myself, and make use of the module in other places.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 01:09:28 UTC+10 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki
>> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation
>> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using
>> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that
>> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other
>> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki
>> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public
>> use as he had told here
>> .
>> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar
>> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a
>> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video.
>
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[tw5] Re: Notation editor

[TW Tones]

arun..

Various aspects of this are already available, and some could be recreated 
fairly easily. 

Perhaps you can spell out features you would like to use.

   - have a look for the stories plugin or stroll edition by David Gifford 
   for the duel story
   - The actual notation modal is somewhat trivial for me to create, the 
   only area I don't know how to handle is the interface for searching and 
   selecting tiddler titles with its efficient dynamic viewing etc... Although 
   an number of improvements of late and in the 5.2.0 prerelease will make 
   this easier.

Of course it would be nice if Saq can provide a published version of 
notation, how ever he has contributed a lot lately such as streams.

In keeping with streams perhaps if Saq could just provide the tiddler 
selection and title search as a module, I could rebuild the notation 
solution myself, and make use of the module in other places.

Regards
Tones


On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 01:09:28 UTC+10 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
> use as he had told here 
> . 
> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 

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