Re: [tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hi @Tony, @Mohamed and @Mohammad, replies inline below:
>
>
>> Could one cause the same to occur on existing text?
>>
>
> @Tony : the mechanism is a shortcut that shows a menu, in which menu items
> can invoke actions. It really does not care about the text, its nature or
> absence or presence.
>
> > consider the "related-to" field, it'll be very useful while editing a
> tiddler to quickly append a title related to it before loosing my train of
> thoughts.
>
> @Mohamed yes the idea is that the menu should be extendable by adding a
> tagged tiddler, with the actions that it should invoke. So you could add a
> menu item with an action to add titles to the related-to field.
>
> > I think you are making an Smart Editor!
> @Mohammad hmm. I like that term. If not a smart editor, then I at least
> think we have the opportunity to provide tools to make the editing
> experience smarter and more intuitive.
>

Yes! smart editing! smart editor!
I assume it would be configurable, different shortcuts bring different
menus! I know fewer is simpler, simpler is better!



> The concept of a menu invoked by / or a similar shortcut is rather
> commonplace, so the UX should be familiar to most.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[TW Tones]

Saq,
I do not know if you looked at the custom markup project of Marios?. The 
key function is to enter a custom markup glyph at the beginning of a line 
or wrap text in line. The designer can build complex markup to use 
subsequently in the text fields. From as simple as a color to automatic 
checkboxes and whole layouts.

I can imagine with such "rapid entry" tools such as this and a few others 
soon we will have whole websites written in a few hundred key strokes. That 
what I call smart.

Add to this the ability to edit a tiddler and drag "modules" of code from 
the side bar Wix and Squarespace  may loose their shine :)

Tones

On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 17:22:49 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Hi @Tony, @Mohamed and @Mohammad, replies inline below:
>  
>
>> Could one cause the same to occur on existing text?
>>
>
> @Tony : the mechanism is a shortcut that shows a menu, in which menu items 
> can invoke actions. It really does not care about the text, its nature or 
> absence or presence.
>
> > consider the "related-to" field, it'll be very useful while editing a 
> tiddler to quickly append a title related to it before loosing my train of 
> thoughts. 
>
> @Mohamed yes the idea is that the menu should be extendable by adding a 
> tagged tiddler, with the actions that it should invoke. So you could add a 
> menu item with an action to add titles to the related-to field.
>
> > I think you are making an Smart Editor!
> @Mohammad hmm. I like that term. If not a smart editor, then I at least 
> think we have the opportunity to provide tools to make the editing 
> experience smarter and more intuitive. 
>
> The concept of a menu invoked by / or a similar shortcut is rather 
> commonplace, so the UX should be familiar to most.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi @Tony, @Mohamed and @Mohammad, replies inline below:
 

> Could one cause the same to occur on existing text?
>

@Tony : the mechanism is a shortcut that shows a menu, in which menu items 
can invoke actions. It really does not care about the text, its nature or 
absence or presence.

> consider the "related-to" field, it'll be very useful while editing a 
tiddler to quickly append a title related to it before loosing my train of 
thoughts. 

@Mohamed yes the idea is that the menu should be extendable by adding a 
tagged tiddler, with the actions that it should invoke. So you could add a 
menu item with an action to add titles to the related-to field.

> I think you are making an Smart Editor!
@Mohammad hmm. I like that term. If not a smart editor, then I at least 
think we have the opportunity to provide tools to make the editing 
experience smarter and more intuitive. 

The concept of a menu invoked by / or a similar shortcut is rather 
commonplace, so the UX should be familiar to most.

Cheers,
Saq

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Re: [tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[msameen99]

This is amazing Saq, I was looking for a similar functionality to add a
title to a "list field" inside the current edited tiddler.
for example,  consider the "related-to" field, it'll be very useful while
editing a tiddler to quickly append a title related to it before loosing my
train of thoughts.
I think this function will be similar to your adding tags functionality.

I was  VERY excited while watching your video

On Thu, 20 May 2021, 00:23 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Saq,
>
> Looking at your demo does make me think of other text fields being enabled
> in the same way.
>
> However of more importance with your idea, in some ways, is like when
> using streams, when editing an item, having access to add tag or other
> actions can obviate the need to have buttons and other UI space consuming
> elements, whilst allowing information to be entered.
>
> The custom markup work with pmario is another way, we mush ensure they can
> work together.
>
> Could one cause the same to occur on existing text?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 05:30:55 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Here is a Google drive hosted version of the video so you don't need to
>> download it:
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZuXRh3ZHF2tglGakaYq0gh4kBQDibB_m/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:27:55 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> It's another round of an hour's worth of distracted conference call
>>> experiments from today.
>>>
>>> This is an idea I've had for quite some time in various contexts: a UX
>>> for triggering actions in Streams like converting a node into a "to do"
>>> item with a checkbox, an autocomplete solution for links to tiddlers etc.
>>>
>>> The menu is triggered by typing / which isn't very apparent in the
>>> video. The menu contents themselves are just re-using core UI components,
>>> as 60 minutes only go so far. :)
>>>
>>> I'd like to pursue this if I can find the time. However if anyone feels
>>> inspired by the idea and wants to run with it that would be fantastic! At
>>> the heart of it all is the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[TW Tones]

Saq,

Looking at your demo does make me think of other text fields being enabled 
in the same way.

However of more importance with your idea, in some ways, is like when using 
streams, when editing an item, having access to add tag or other actions 
can obviate the need to have buttons and other UI space consuming elements, 
whilst allowing information to be entered.

The custom markup work with pmario is another way, we mush ensure they can 
work together.

Could one cause the same to occur on existing text?

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 05:30:55 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Here is a Google drive hosted version of the video so you don't need to 
> download it:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZuXRh3ZHF2tglGakaYq0gh4kBQDibB_m/view?usp=sharing
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:27:55 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> It's another round of an hour's worth of distracted conference call 
>> experiments from today.
>>
>> This is an idea I've had for quite some time in various contexts: a UX 
>> for triggering actions in Streams like converting a node into a "to do" 
>> item with a checkbox, an autocomplete solution for links to tiddlers etc.
>>
>> The menu is triggered by typing / which isn't very apparent in the video. 
>> The menu contents themselves are just re-using core UI components, as 60 
>> minutes only go so far. :)
>>
>> I'd like to pursue this if I can find the time. However if anyone feels 
>> inspired by the idea and wants to run with it that would be fantastic! At 
>> the heart of it all is the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[Saq Imtiaz]

 

> Yes, that sounds spot-on! But your demo in this thread also has some form 
> of "at-caret-position" - is this some totally other implementation?
>

It is code from the beginnings of a PR to add this ability to the core. 
However, there is need to discuss some technical implementation details 
first 

 before 
I can proceed.

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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[Mat]

Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Once we get this 
>  implemented 
> it will open up a lot of possibilities for exploration.
>

Yes, that sounds spot-on! But your demo in this thread also has some form 
of "at-caret-position" - is this some totally other implementation?
Hope you have a lot of boring conference calls ;-)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Matt definitely some similarities but somewhat different goals than 
EditorMagic.

EditorMagic was about guessing what the user was typing and trying to offer 
help to autocomplete that.
This prototype is about having a single shortcut to trigger a menu, which 
can be extended via tags etc, which offers different commands you can 
invoke. All usable via the keyboard alone, naturally.

Since the primary use case in my mind was Streams, for things like adding 
tags and converting to different node types,  this approach makes more 
sense since there wouldn't be anything to autocomplete. However I have 
spent all of one distracted hour on this, so if I do get to work on it 
further not sure what direction it will take. :) 

Once we get this  
implemented it will open up a lot of possibilities for exploration.

Cheers,
Saq

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:41:02 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:

> Oh cools stuff! You know I'm really excited about this (ref the 
> EditorMagic  thing we worked on some 
> months ago before TiddlySpot shut down). Does this version of yours allow 
> the user to add custom triggers for custom "popup-templates"?
>
> <:-)
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:55 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Here is a Google drive hosted version of the video so you don't need to 
>> download it:
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZuXRh3ZHF2tglGakaYq0gh4kBQDibB_m/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:27:55 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> It's another round of an hour's worth of distracted conference call 
>>> experiments from today.
>>>
>>> This is an idea I've had for quite some time in various contexts: a UX 
>>> for triggering actions in Streams like converting a node into a "to do" 
>>> item with a checkbox, an autocomplete solution for links to tiddlers etc.
>>>
>>> The menu is triggered by typing / which isn't very apparent in the 
>>> video. The menu contents themselves are just re-using core UI components, 
>>> as 60 minutes only go so far. :)
>>>
>>> I'd like to pursue this if I can find the time. However if anyone feels 
>>> inspired by the idea and wants to run with it that would be fantastic! At 
>>> the heart of it all is the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[Mat]

Oh cools stuff! You know I'm really excited about this (ref the EditorMagic 
 thing we worked on some months ago 
before TiddlySpot shut down). Does this version of yours allow the user to 
add custom triggers for custom "popup-templates"?

<:-)

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:55 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Here is a Google drive hosted version of the video so you don't need to 
> download it:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZuXRh3ZHF2tglGakaYq0gh4kBQDibB_m/view?usp=sharing
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:27:55 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> It's another round of an hour's worth of distracted conference call 
>> experiments from today.
>>
>> This is an idea I've had for quite some time in various contexts: a UX 
>> for triggering actions in Streams like converting a node into a "to do" 
>> item with a checkbox, an autocomplete solution for links to tiddlers etc.
>>
>> The menu is triggered by typing / which isn't very apparent in the video. 
>> The menu contents themselves are just re-using core UI components, as 60 
>> minutes only go so far. :)
>>
>> I'd like to pursue this if I can find the time. However if anyone feels 
>> inspired by the idea and wants to run with it that would be fantastic! At 
>> the heart of it all is the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: UX experiment - editor tools / autocomplete / Streams

[Saq Imtiaz]

Here is a Google drive hosted version of the video so you don't need to 
download it:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZuXRh3ZHF2tglGakaYq0gh4kBQDibB_m/view?usp=sharing

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:27:55 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> It's another round of an hour's worth of distracted conference call 
> experiments from today.
>
> This is an idea I've had for quite some time in various contexts: a UX for 
> triggering actions in Streams like converting a node into a "to do" item 
> with a checkbox, an autocomplete solution for links to tiddlers etc.
>
> The menu is triggered by typing / which isn't very apparent in the video. 
> The menu contents themselves are just re-using core UI components, as 60 
> minutes only go so far. :)
>
> I'd like to pursue this if I can find the time. However if anyone feels 
> inspired by the idea and wants to run with it that would be fantastic! At 
> the heart of it all is the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>
>

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