[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Mat]

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 1:37:27 PM UTC+2, Klaus wrote:
>
> Correction: It does so almost. The title doesn't get updated when I close 
> a tiddler.
>

I believe this is because currentTiddler is still the same even if you 
close it. What you might interpret to be the new currentTiddler isn't - it 
is merely that closing a tiddler shrinks the tiddler river so "something" 
ends up where you're looking. It still doesn't have the focus.

Personally I have a solution for another issue that incidentally also 
solves this; I've modified my "close" and "delete" buttons to also actively 
navigate to the tiddler *above* the closed one, instead of visually having 
the succeeding one be dragged up into view. This active navigation also 
sets the currentTiddler (...at least I assume it does). If you're 
interested I could post my code for these modified buttons. 

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Correction: It does so almost. The title doesn't get updated when I close a 
tiddler.

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 1:36:29 PM UTC+2, Klaus wrote:
>
> This indeed does what I wanted :)
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 12:31:43 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Here's a simpler solution
>>
>> In the Ctrolpanel, exchange the wiki title for the following:
>>
>> {{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}} 
>> TiddlyWiki
>>
>> I'm here assuming what you're requesting is for the *browser tab* to 
>> show the title of the current tiddler
>>
>> If you really want to see the name of the current tidldler all the time 
>> in the in the left bar, you just remove the div tags and only keep that 
>> transclusion part.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

This indeed does what I wanted :)

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 12:31:43 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Here's a simpler solution
>
> In the Ctrolpanel, exchange the wiki title for the following:
>
> {{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}} 
> TiddlyWiki
>
> I'm here assuming what you're requesting is for the *browser tab* to show 
> the title of the current tiddler
>
> If you really want to see the name of the current tidldler all the time in 
> the in the left bar, you just remove the div tags and only keep that 
> transclusion part.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Mat]

Here's a simpler solution

In the Ctrolpanel, exchange the wiki title for the following:

{{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}} 
TiddlyWiki

I'm here assuming what you're requesting is for the *browser tab* to show 
the title of the current tiddler

If you really want to see the name of the current tidldler all the time in 
the in the left bar, you just remove the div tags and only keep that 
transclusion part.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[A Gloom]

>
> Now that the base problem is solved... Is there some way to make the title 
> of the browser tab reflect the name of the currently open tiddler?

E.g. instead of "My Work Wiki" I want the title to be either 
> "MyCurrentTiddler" or "MyCurrentTiddler - My Work Wiki".
>

If you're speaking of the web browser tab...

I don't know how the wiki's html rile fitle title tag is constructed, but 
its constructed of the site (wiki right side) title and subtitle

thjis from the single file TW main file


WikiWitchery — vers 13.℧☘♠☠ The Skunkworks ☠


and thats what displays in the browser tab and its dynamically (realtime) 
constructed-- as you edit the title or subtitle the browser tab text 
changes with the edit, so once you find what controls it, you might be able 
to change it to work with tiddler tilte in story river filter (or something 
similiar)

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[TonyM]

Klaus

Do you mean change the title of the tab depending on the open tiddler?

This is not the standard because you could have more than one tiddler, however 
it may be possible. The tiddler title and subtitle is used to construct the tab 
title. This can be changed, if not automatically for the last opened tiddler.

Does this sound on track ?

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Now that the base problem is solved... Is there some way to make the title 
of the browser tab reflect the name of the currently open tiddler?

E.g. instead of "My Work Wiki" I want the title to be either 
"MyCurrentTiddler" or "MyCurrentTiddler - My Work Wiki".

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Thanks for the tip! It is definitly useful for me.

However, it is so for a different use-case, as it won't allow freely mixing 
tiddly-wiki tabs with webpages and PDFs. 

 But I'd say bob remains the better option for me.

For me it is about being able to freely intersperse tabs from webmail, 
pdfs, and whatnot. Tabs within a browser tab don't help me with that, in 
the same way Windows in the desktop environments window manager don't help; 
Only browser tabs currently allow freely grouping and reordering related 
content manually.

On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 2:47:31 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> See BJ's story Top tabs. You can keep the tabs inside Tiddlywiki this way.
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Rehards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 8:24:16 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Bob is your only option then. The Bob exe install is very easy. I would 
>> say bob is multi-access.
>>
>> I have a large and sophisticated to do projects and reference wiki that I 
>> use everyday. I like using a 3 screen setup but my key wiki only needs one 
>> window. Perhaps there are design decisions you have made that are making 
>> additional tabs more desirable. One feature you may like tabs within 
>> tiddlywiki for open tiddlers. I will look for that plugin.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus-Dieter Bauer]

Thanks for the tip! It is definitly useful for me.

However, it is so for a different use-case, as it won't allow freely mixing
tiddly-wiki tabs with webpages and PDFs.

 But I'd say bob remains the better option for me.

For me it is about being able to freely intersperse tabs from webmail,
pdfs, and whatnot. Tabs within a browser tab don't help me with that, in
the same way Windows in the desktop environments window manager don't help;
Only browser tabs currently allow freely grouping and reordering related
content manually.

Am So., 11. Aug. 2019 um 02:47 Uhr schrieb TonyM :

> See BJ's story Top tabs. You can keep the tabs inside Tiddlywiki this way.
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Rehards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 8:24:16 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Bob is your only option then. The Bob exe install is very easy. I would
>> say bob is multi-access.
>>
>> I have a large and sophisticated to do projects and reference wiki that I
>> use everyday. I like using a 3 screen setup but my key wiki only needs one
>> window. Perhaps there are design decisions you have made that are making
>> additional tabs more desirable. One feature you may like tabs within
>> tiddlywiki for open tiddlers. I will look for that plugin.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[TonyM]

See BJ's story Top tabs. You can keep the tabs inside Tiddlywiki this way.

http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/

Rehards
Tony

On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 8:24:16 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Bob is your only option then. The Bob exe install is very easy. I would 
> say bob is multi-access.
>
> I have a large and sophisticated to do projects and reference wiki that I 
> use everyday. I like using a 3 screen setup but my key wiki only needs one 
> window. Perhaps there are design decisions you have made that are making 
> additional tabs more desirable. One feature you may like tabs within 
> tiddlywiki for open tiddlers. I will look for that plugin.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[TonyM]

Bob is your only option then. The Bob exe install is very easy. I would say bob 
is multi-access.

I have a large and sophisticated to do projects and reference wiki that I use 
everyday. I like using a 3 screen setup but my key wiki only needs one window. 
Perhaps there are design decisions you have made that are making additional 
tabs more desirable. One feature you may like tabs within tiddlywiki for open 
tiddlers. I will look for that plugin.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

I'll have to check, if Bob also works, if the files are synchronized in a 
Dropbox. "Multi-User" definitely works for multiple tabs though.

On Saturday, August 10, 2019 at 1:23:28 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Klaus, as Mark notes - Bob  is 
> probably your answer.
>
> This thread made me realize something:
>
> If I use Bob, I would probably also be able to use TiddlyClip! A 
> limitation with TiddlyClip is that you cannot clip to multiple wikis *that 
> are in different windows*. That missing feature in TC has totally 
> prevented me from using it.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

It doesn't really help; Windows are a mess compared to tabs, so I quite 
explicitly DON'T want to open them in new windows for task-management 
purposes.

On Saturday, August 10, 2019 at 3:52:18 PM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Klaus
>
> You are aware if you open tiddlers in new window with the button provided 
> on tiddlers they still are in the parent wiki? For example open a table of 
> contents tiddler and you can remote control the tiddlers in the story of 
> the patent wiki.
>
> With a little imagination the tiddlers you open could do almost anything.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[TonyM]

Klaus

You are aware if you open tiddlers in new window with the button provided on 
tiddlers they still are in the parent wiki? For example open a table of 
contents tiddler and you can remote control the tiddlers in the story of the 
patent wiki.

With a little imagination the tiddlers you open could do almost anything.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Mat]

Klaus, as Mark notes - Bob  is probably 
your answer.

This thread made me realize something:

If I use Bob, I would probably also be able to use TiddlyClip! A limitation 
with TiddlyClip is that you cannot clip to multiple wikis *that are in 
different windows*. That missing feature in TC has totally prevented me 
from using it.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Workflow mostly. As I work I open tabs, and then work my way through them. 
With multiple tiddly-wiki tabs, I would be able to integrate tiddlywiki in 
the overall workflow better.

Anther example would be having a tasklist tiddler as a pinned tab in 
Chrome, while using separate tabs for actually doing the work, especially 
when frequent context switches are needed.

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 5:05:33 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I'm curious, what is your use case that requires you to have the same TW 
> open in multiple tabs? I'm always trying to reduce the number of open tabs.
>
> I believe Bob  is  aware when changes 
> occur. 
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7, Klaus wrote:
>>
>> As I understand, at least the single-file use of TiddlyWiki isn't safe to 
>> use in multiple tabs, as each tab will not learn of changes saved in 
>> another; Saving from multiple tabs may thus result in lost changes.
>>
>> A similar problem seems to appear still when using the NodeJS server, 
>> albeit to a lesser degree; While the changes don't get lost, tiddlers in 
>> tabs others than the one that made the change, were not updated.
>>
>> Is there any set-up that allows to safely use TiddlyWiki across multiple 
>> browser-tabs or devices without the risk of losing changes?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm curious, what is your use case that requires you to have the same TW 
open in multiple tabs? I'm always trying to reduce the number of open tabs.

I believe Bob  is  aware when changes 
occur. 

Good luck!

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7, Klaus wrote:
>
> As I understand, at least the single-file use of TiddlyWiki isn't safe to 
> use in multiple tabs, as each tab will not learn of changes saved in 
> another; Saving from multiple tabs may thus result in lost changes.
>
> A similar problem seems to appear still when using the NodeJS server, 
> albeit to a lesser degree; While the changes don't get lost, tiddlers in 
> tabs others than the one that made the change, were not updated.
>
> Is there any set-up that allows to safely use TiddlyWiki across multiple 
> browser-tabs or devices without the risk of losing changes?
>

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