Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2014-02-18 Thread Grant
Hi PVHL, and update?  

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:29:55 PM UTC+1, Grant wrote:

 Great!




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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2014-02-18 Thread PVHL
See TiddlySaver is now timestamped and 
signedhttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/lNZHPtVmXK8, 
Feb 9.


On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:50:15 PM UTC-8, Grant wrote:

 Hi PVHL, and update?  

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:29:55 PM UTC+1, Grant wrote:

 Great!




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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2014-01-25 Thread Grant
Hi, has there been any update so we can save with the latest version of 
Java installed?   I have save working in Chrome but have to use an old 
version of Java and am getting tired of the security warnings and requests 
to update.  I can not just switch to Tiddlywiki5 because of a very large 
tiddly wiki with too much formatting that does not migrate to TW easily.
Thanks,
Grant

On Friday, June 28, 2013 10:05:13 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Reto

 Thanks for the report, that's helpful - other users have reported problems 
 with recent versions of Java 7, we're investigating and hope to have an 
 answer soon.

 Many thanks

 Jeremy.


 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Reto reto@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 Just to let you know in case anyone has similar problems: I am using TW 
 2.7.1 in Chrome/Iron on Windows 7 (64-Bit).

 After upgrading to Java 7 Update 25 I couldn't save anymore. I 
 uninstalled Update 25 and installed Java 7 Update 21. Result: I could save 
 again in TW.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2014-01-25 Thread Paul Levey
Hi Grant.

We will hopefully have a signed TiddlySaver.jar that works with update 51
in the next few days (as it happens I just sent the updated jar off for
signing before reading your note; once signed and tested I'll post it to
GitHub).

Cheers, Paul.


On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Grant grant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, has there been any update so we can save with the latest version of
 Java installed?   I have save working in Chrome but have to use an old
 version of Java and am getting tired of the security warnings and requests
 to update.  I can not just switch to Tiddlywiki5 because of a very large
 tiddly wiki with too much formatting that does not migrate to TW easily.
 Thanks,
 Grant

 On Friday, June 28, 2013 10:05:13 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Reto

 Thanks for the report, that's helpful - other users have reported
 problems with recent versions of Java 7, we're investigating and hope to
 have an answer soon.

 Many thanks

 Jeremy.


 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Reto reto@gmail.com wrote:

 Just to let you know in case anyone has similar problems: I am using TW
 2.7.1 in Chrome/Iron on Windows 7 (64-Bit).

 After upgrading to Java 7 Update 25 I couldn't save anymore. I
 uninstalled Update 25 and installed Java 7 Update 21. Result: I could save
 again in TW.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-08-06 Thread Eric Weir

On Jul 31, 2013, at 6:40 PM, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Eric,
 I'm following this topic with interest and I'd like to know, what you think 
 about this:
 tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility
 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlywiki/FNiWVM3ODRM


Thanks for the invitation, Mario.

Looks pretty simple---compared to TiddlyWeb raw. Still have to get my head 
around tiddlers outside a TiddlyWiki. That would probably come pretty quickly 
with getting started with the new possibility. 

My only hesitation is that it seems like a lot of machinery to run a 
TiddlyWiki. At the moment I'm using TW only for maintaining contacts and other 
miscellaneous notes. Back a couple years ago I was using it to create, store, 
and organize research notes in preparation for writing a paper. The new 
possibility would be more attractive if I were still doing so. 

As I understand it, there are still some kinks to be worked out? If so, I might 
be persuaded to give it a try once you've done that.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-08-06 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:32:00 AM UTC+2, Eric Weir wrote:

 Looks pretty simple---compared to TiddlyWeb raw. Still have to get my head 
 around tiddlers outside a TiddlyWiki. That would probably come pretty 
 quickly with getting started with the new possibility. 


Oh, hiding the stuff is not the problem. Exposing it in a way, that is easy 
to access and backup, is the challange :) 

My only hesitation is that it seems like a lot of machinery to run a 
 TiddlyWiki.


Yea, that's the other side of the medal. To get rid of the complexity 
you'll need to add new layers. That's the price to pay. 
On the other hand, you get a simple to run system, that can be used with 
_every_ browser. ... and ... one tiddlyweb instance can handle many 
TiddlyWiki's :) 
 

 At the moment I'm using TW only for maintaining contacts and other 
 miscellaneous notes. Back a couple years ago I was using it to create, 
 store, and organize research notes in preparation for writing a paper. The 
 new possibility would be more attractive if I were still doing so. 


Since browser vendors are closing more and more backdoors, TiddlyWiki 
classic was using, I think it's worth exploring new possibilities :) 
 

 As I understand it, there are still some kinks to be worked out? If so, I 
 might be persuaded to give it a try once you've done that. 


Which OS do you use? 

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-08-06 Thread Eric Weir

On Aug 6, 2013, at 6:11 AM, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:

 Which OS do you use? 

OS X 10.8.4.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-07-31 Thread PMario
Hi Eric,
I'm following this topic with interest and I'd like to know, what you think 
about this:
tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlywiki/FNiWVM3ODRM

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-07-30 Thread Eric Weir

On Jul 30, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

 That warning should only appear once for each TiddlyWiki URL, as long as your 
 using the latest version from here:
 
 https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlyfox.xpi

Thanks, Jeremy. That one works. The one I got from Mozilla didn't. 

 I've updated Java to rte 7 update 25. Forgive my naiveté, but is it required 
 by TiddlyWiki?
 
 No, Java isn't required by TiddlyWiki (unless you're using TiddlySaver). I'd 
 recommend disabling or uninstalling Java unless you use other applications 
 that require it.

Following instructions on the Macworld website I disabled it in Safari and 
Firefox and uninstalled it in the system. Don't know if it'll be needed for 
anything else, but if I do the article explains (relatively) safely make it 
available.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-07-29 Thread Eric Weir

On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd agree that Firefox+TiddlyFox is likely to be the least disruptive route 
 for you, if you're able to make the switch. Older plugins that directly 
 access the filesystem generally won't work with TiddlyFox, but the vast 
 majority of the popular TW plugins work fine with it.

Thanks, Jeremy. I'm now set up with Firefox and TiddlyFox. 

Is there anyway to disable the JavaScrip warning once you've given permission?

I've updated Java to rte 7 update 25. Forgive my naiveté, but is it required by 
TiddlyWiki?

 You can think of TiddlyWeb as a receptacle for tiddlers that can be combined 
 in different combinations to make TiddlyWikis. Once you're in the TiddlyWiki, 
 it's very much the familiar world of TiddlyWiki plugins, # permalinks etc. 
 TiddlyWeb is pretty mature, and a lot of existing TiddlyWiki plugins work 
 well with it. TiddlyWeb would require a greater investment on your part, but 
 you would gain a good deal of flexibility. If you're working with multiple 
 TiddlyWiki documents that share some information, for instance, you may well 
 find the investment worth while

My TiddlyWikis are self-contained, though in the past there were occasions on 
which I was doing a fair bit of exporting and importing between them. Maybe at 
some point in the future, when I have the time and am feeling adventurous I'll 
attempt to give TiddlyWeb a try.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Weir

On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you want to stay with using TiddlyWiki locally, I think that the best 
 options are:
 
 1) To use Firefox+TiddlyFox: this combination works well, and is likely to 
 work into the far future. And it works on Firefox for Android.
 
 2) To install locally a serverside version of TiddlyWiki, such as TiddlyWeb, 
 so that you can continue to use Safari. There's a bit of an up-front 
 investment to get it working, but you'd end up with a very flexible and 
 performant solution. You should also be able to use BidiX's TiddlyHome, which 
 is simpler and easier to set up

Thanks, Jeremy. Sounds like it's a case of good riddance to Java.

Initially my reaction was that  (2) sounded interesting. After checking 
information on the TiddlyWeb website, though, I get the sense that it's a 
completely different species from TiddlyWiki, that I would not be able to use 
my current TiddlyWiki configuration and plugins, and that there would be a 
significant learning curve, indeed, that it might be completely beyond my 
capabilities.

Am In the ballpark on that? Especially regarding not being able to use my 
current TiddlyWiki configuration? 

If so, perhaps I should give in an go with the Firefox+TiddlyFox combination. 
Would rather not, but perhaps it will more readily accommodate my current usage.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-07-26 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Eric

I'd agree that Firefox+TiddlyFox is likely to be the least disruptive route
for you, if you're able to make the switch. Older plugins that directly
access the filesystem generally won't work with TiddlyFox, but the vast
majority of the popular TW plugins work fine with it.

You can think of TiddlyWeb as a receptacle for tiddlers that can be
combined in different combinations to make TiddlyWikis. Once you're in the
TiddlyWiki, it's very much the familiar world of TiddlyWiki plugins, #
permalinks etc. TiddlyWeb is pretty mature, and a lot of existing
TiddlyWiki plugins work well with it. TiddlyWeb would require a greater
investment on your part, but you would gain a good deal of flexibility. If
you're working with multiple TiddlyWiki documents that share some
information, for instance, you may well find the investment worth while --
but equally, if the prospect of grappling with installing and running new
software on your machine doesn't thrill you, it may not be for you.

Do let let us know how you get on,

Best wishes

Jeremy






On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:


 On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If you want to stay with using TiddlyWiki locally, I think that the best
 options are:
 
  1) To use Firefox+TiddlyFox: this combination works well, and is likely
 to work into the far future. And it works on Firefox for Android.
 
  2) To install locally a serverside version of TiddlyWiki, such as
 TiddlyWeb, so that you can continue to use Safari. There's a bit of an
 up-front investment to get it working, but you'd end up with a very
 flexible and performant solution. You should also be able to use BidiX's
 TiddlyHome, which is simpler and easier to set up

 Thanks, Jeremy. Sounds like it's a case of good riddance to Java.

 Initially my reaction was that  (2) sounded interesting. After checking
 information on the TiddlyWeb website, though, I get the sense that it's a
 completely different species from TiddlyWiki, that I would not be able to
 use my current TiddlyWiki configuration and plugins, and that there would
 be a significant learning curve, indeed, that it might be completely beyond
 my capabilities.

 Am In the ballpark on that? Especially regarding not being able to use my
 current TiddlyWiki configuration?

 If so, perhaps I should give in an go with the Firefox+TiddlyFox
 combination. Would rather not, but perhaps it will more readily accommodate
 my current usage.

 Thanks,

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 Decatur, GA  USA
 eew...@bellsouth.net

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-07-24 Thread Eric Weir

On Jun 30, 2013, at 6:42 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:07 PM, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:17:06 PM UTC+2, Eric Weir wrote:
 
 Thanks. I've also reverted to Java 7 Update 25 and can save in TW in Safari. 
 
 I assume that by reverting to an earlier version I've recreated a security 
 risk? 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history#Java_7_updates
 also see references 122-124
 
 Seems indeed I do. Having second thoughts about reverting. But then, of 
 course, no saving with Safari.ue

I have not upgraded to the current Java Update yet and am feeling increasingly 
anxious about that fact. I'm wondering if there's been any change regarding the 
conflict between TiddlyWiki and Java running in Safari. 

I'm guessing probably not and am beginning to explore other possibilities for 
managing the kinds of information I've been managing with TiddlyWiki---contact 
info, reminders, annotations of stuff I'm reading, and miscellaneous brief 
notes.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-07-02 Thread Lei Zhang
I met this issue too. After downgrade the java to jdk1.6, it works well.


On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:


 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:07 PM, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:17:06 PM UTC+2, Eric Weir wrote:
 
  Thanks. I've also reverted to Java 7 Update 25 and can save in TW in
 Safari.
 
  I assume that by reverting to an earlier version I've recreated a
 security risk?
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history#Java_7_updates
  also see references 122-124

 Seems indeed I do. Having second thoughts about reverting. But then, of
 course, no saving with Safari.


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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-06-30 Thread Eric Weir

On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:07 PM, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:17:06 PM UTC+2, Eric Weir wrote:
 
 Thanks. I've also reverted to Java 7 Update 25 and can save in TW in Safari. 
 
 I assume that by reverting to an earlier version I've recreated a security 
 risk? 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history#Java_7_updates
 also see references 122-124

Seems indeed I do. Having second thoughts about reverting. But then, of course, 
no saving with Safari.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-06-29 Thread Eric Weir

On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Arc Acorn nuttyta...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Friday, June 28, 2013 7:22:55 AM UTC-7, Eric Weir wrote:
 
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Reto reto@gmail.com wrote: 
 
 After upgrading to Java 7 Update 25 I couldn't save anymore. I uninstalled 
 Update 25 and installed Java 7 Update 21. Result: I could save again in TW. 
 
 How do you get Java 7 Update 21? 
 
 At the Java Archive:
 
 http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/archive-139210.html
 
 Slightly more direct link:
 http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-archive-downloads-javase7-521261.html#jre-7u21-oth-JPR

Thanks. I've also reverted to Java 7 Update 25 and can save in TW in Safari. 

I assume that by reverting to an earlier version I've recreated a security risk?

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-06-29 Thread PMario
On Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:17:06 PM UTC+2, Eric Weir wrote:


 Thanks. I've also reverted to Java 7 Update 25 and can save in TW in 
 Safari. 

 I assume that by reverting to an earlier version I've recreated a security 
 risk? 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history#Java_7_updates
also see references 122-124

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-06-28 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Reto

Thanks for the report, that's helpful - other users have reported problems
with recent versions of Java 7, we're investigating and hope to have an
answer soon.

Many thanks

Jeremy.


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Reto reto.sta...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just to let you know in case anyone has similar problems: I am using TW
 2.7.1 in Chrome/Iron on Windows 7 (64-Bit).

 After upgrading to Java 7 Update 25 I couldn't save anymore. I uninstalled
 Update 25 and installed Java 7 Update 21. Result: I could save again in TW.

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-06-28 Thread Eric Weir

On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Reto reto.sta...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 After upgrading to Java 7 Update 25 I couldn't save anymore. I uninstalled 
 Update 25 and installed Java 7 Update 21. Result: I could save again in TW.

How do you get Java 7 Update 21?

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Re: [tw] Troubles with Java 7 Update 25

2013-06-28 Thread Arc Acorn
At the Java Archive:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/archive-139210.html

Slightly more direct link:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-archive-downloads-javase7-521261.html#jre-7u21-oth-JPR

Note: In order to download you must click the little bubble at the top to 
accept the terms of agreement first


On Friday, June 28, 2013 7:22:55 AM UTC-7, Eric Weir wrote:


 On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Reto reto@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 

  
  After upgrading to Java 7 Update 25 I couldn't save anymore. I 
 uninstalled Update 25 and installed Java 7 Update 21. Result: I could save 
 again in TW. 

 How do you get Java 7 Update 21? 

 Thanks, 
 --
  

 Eric Weir 
 Decatur, GA  USA 
 eew...@bellsouth.net javascript: 

 Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred. 

 - Amos Oz 



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