Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

@Tones
There is some ongoing work on this! see
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/IczqdIdC3lE/m/TZcAAxcUAQAJ
I am also very excited to have an effective working TW using FS API!
Consider TW can be used everywhere without
needing to tell users how to save! just like an ordinary web page!

I think this FS API is a great opportunity needs special attention from TW
developers.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 4:06 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>
> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>
> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to help
> some tiddlywiki users.
>
> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>
> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders and
> there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as dropping
> urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. Similarly
> copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting into the file
> dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and make use of it.
>
> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>
> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
> team if not help code a solution.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

@Finn
Your proposal is very interesting! I may suggest to write at
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions
where you will get more reactions from developers! I also love your idea on
creating TW as a local app!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 4:14 AM Finn Lancaster  wrote:

> Tones:
> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will agree
> is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to use
> this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features I
> wanted on TW!
> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
> looking for).
> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
> implement socket.io.
> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m
> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build
> my GitHub.
>
> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
> this, preferably with a team.
>
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
>> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>>
>> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
>> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>>
>> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to
>> help some tiddlywiki users.
>>
>> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
>> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
>> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
>> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
>> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>>
>> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders
>> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as
>> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer.
>> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting
>> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and
>> make use of it.
>>
>> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
>> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
>> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>>
>> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
>> team if not help code a solution.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Flanc,

Yes, I highlighted the text in your post to read it.

A new thread would be good, but please also keep in mind the single file 
version is importiant, please consider where your solutions work in both.

Thanks
Tones

On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 10:29:23 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about y’all, but my last message seems to render a bit 
> strangely. It seems as if gmail changed the text to the same color as the 
> background, so it isn’t appearing (on my end at least). sorry about that.
>
> For anyone interested, I’ll start a new thread about making a TW on node 
> using the FS module. 
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:18 PM Finn Lancaster  wrote:
>
>> Whoops... went out a bit on a tangent there, didn’t I. I was more 
>> addressing the “method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file 
>> dialogue which allows you create a folder etc.” 
>>
>> which is something the FS module could do. 
>>
>> In addition to this, along the lines of “ a model for enabling 
>> tiddlywiki as a local app “, I’d take a look at electron 
>> https://www.electronjs.org, which could convert a node TW to a local 
>> app. 
>>
>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:03 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Flanc...
>>>
>>> Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. 
>>> However what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present 
>>> a little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of 
>>> features and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible 
>>> plain English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could 
>>> achieve. 
>>>
>>> Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is 
>>> actually a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out 
>>> of the box (inside the browser).
>>>
>>> So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not 
>>> save, but need to save as.
>>>
>>> My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making 
>>> use of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the 
>>> browser) to;
>>>
>>>- Edit local files
>>>- Edit tid files
>>>- Save tiddlers to text files
>>>- Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Tones: 
 It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will 
 agree is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at 
 https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to 
 use this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the 
 features 
 I wanted on TW! 
 Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are 
 looking for). 
 TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I 
 can see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or 
 even 
 implement socket.io. 
 I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m 
 currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build 
 my GitHub. 

 Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding 
 this, preferably with a team. 


 On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the 
> following that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>
> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>
> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to 
> help some tiddlywiki users.
>
> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow 
> editing tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. 
> It 
> also points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file 
> dialogue which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted 
> to 
> a local app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>
> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders 
> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as 
> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. 
> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting 
> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and 
> make use of it.
>
> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have 
> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the 
> first 
> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>
> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev 
> team if not help code a solution.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

[Finn Lancaster]

I don’t know about y’all, but my last message seems to render a bit
strangely. It seems as if gmail changed the text to the same color as the
background, so it isn’t appearing (on my end at least). sorry about that.

For anyone interested, I’ll start a new thread about making a TW on node
using the FS module.

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:18 PM Finn Lancaster  wrote:

> Whoops... went out a bit on a tangent there, didn’t I. I was more
> addressing the “method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file
> dialogue which allows you create a folder etc.”
>
> which is something the FS module could do.
>
> In addition to this, along the lines of “ a model for enabling tiddlywiki
> as a local app “, I’d take a look at electron
> https://www.electronjs.org, which could convert a node TW to a local app.
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:03 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Flanc...
>>
>> Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. However
>> what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present a
>> little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of features
>> and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible plain
>> English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could
>> achieve.
>>
>> Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is
>> actually a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out
>> of the box (inside the browser).
>>
>> So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not
>> save, but need to save as.
>>
>> My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making
>> use of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the
>> browser) to;
>>
>>- Edit local files
>>- Edit tid files
>>- Save tiddlers to text files
>>- Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Tones:
>>> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will
>>> agree is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
>>> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to
>>> use this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features
>>> I wanted on TW!
>>> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
>>> looking for).
>>> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
>>> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
>>> implement socket.io.
>>> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m
>>> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build
>>> my GitHub.
>>>
>>> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
>>> this, preferably with a team.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>>
 Folks,

 In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the
 following that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.

 *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
 * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/

 Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to
 help some tiddlywiki users.

 I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
 tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
 points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
 which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
 app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.

 I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders
 and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as
 dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer.
 Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting
 into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and
 make use of it.

 Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
 sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
 use and saving of tiddlywiki's.

 I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
 team if not help code a solution.

 Regards
 Tones

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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

[Finn Lancaster]

Whoops... went out a bit on a tangent there, didn’t I. I was more
addressing the “method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file
dialogue which allows you create a folder etc.”

which is something the FS module could do.

In addition to this, along the lines of “ a model for enabling tiddlywiki
as a local app “, I’d take a look at electron
https://www.electronjs.org, which could convert a node TW to a local app.

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:03 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Flanc...
>
> Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. However
> what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present a
> little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of features
> and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible plain
> English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could
> achieve.
>
> Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is actually
> a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out of the
> box (inside the browser).
>
> So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not save,
> but need to save as.
>
> My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making
> use of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the
> browser) to;
>
>- Edit local files
>- Edit tid files
>- Save tiddlers to text files
>- Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Tones:
>> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will
>> agree is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
>> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to
>> use this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features
>> I wanted on TW!
>> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
>> looking for).
>> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
>> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
>> implement socket.io.
>> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m
>> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build
>> my GitHub.
>>
>> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
>> this, preferably with a team.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
>>> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>>>
>>> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
>>> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>>>
>>> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to
>>> help some tiddlywiki users.
>>>
>>> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
>>> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
>>> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
>>> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
>>> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders
>>> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as
>>> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer.
>>> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting
>>> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and
>>> make use of it.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
>>> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
>>> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>>>
>>> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
>>> team if not help code a solution.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Flanc...

Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. However 
what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present a 
little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of features 
and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible plain 
English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could 
achieve. 

Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is actually 
a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out of the 
box (inside the browser).

So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not save, 
but need to save as.

My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making use 
of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the browser) 
to;

   - Edit local files
   - Edit tid files
   - Save tiddlers to text files
   - Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app

Regards
Tones




On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tones: 
> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will agree 
> is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at 
> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to use 
> this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features I 
> wanted on TW! 
> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are 
> looking for). 
> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can 
> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even 
> implement socket.io. 
> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m 
> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build 
> my GitHub. 
>
> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding 
> this, preferably with a team. 
>
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following 
>> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>>
>> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
>> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>>
>> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to 
>> help some tiddlywiki users.
>>
>> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing 
>> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also 
>> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue 
>> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local 
>> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>>
>> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders 
>> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as 
>> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. 
>> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting 
>> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and 
>> make use of it.
>>
>> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have 
>> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first 
>> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>>
>> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev 
>> team if not help code a solution.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

[Finn Lancaster]

Tones:
It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will agree
is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to use
this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features I
wanted on TW!
Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
looking for).
TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
implement socket.io.
I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m currently
getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build my GitHub.

Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
this, preferably with a team.


On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>
> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>
> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to help
> some tiddlywiki users.
>
> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>
> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders and
> there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as dropping
> urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. Similarly
> copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting into the file
> dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and make use of it.
>
> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>
> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
> team if not help code a solution.
>
> Regards
> Tones
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