Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-24 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
Dashboard in action.
[image: tw-resources-dashboard.png]

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:40:13 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
> it's actually harder to use than the source MD.
>
> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original text 
> into fields with pipes. 
> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply specified 
> tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to avoid tiddler 
> name collisions.
> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
> also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak 
> the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or 
> marked as a problem.
>
> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. Repeat.
>
> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having to 
> look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I checked 
> each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to mark items 
> for review and come back and double-check links later, like when I was 
> really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
>>>
>>> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to 
>>> work with:
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
>> aggregator.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mohammad,
 Is this the link? 
 https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
 remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
 notowritey.

 Birthe


 onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:

> Hi Mark,
>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small 
> code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq 
> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the 
> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
> restriction on description, ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping 
>> to do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize 
>> the 
>> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything 
>> was 
>> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>>
>> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>>
>> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing 
>> descriptions to 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to 
>> happen. 
>>
>> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If 
>> requested, I can roll back existing entrees.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" 
>>> or something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its 
>>> known. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, 
 turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them 
 first.

 Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those 
 adding links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to 
 https:, that would be appreciated.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-24 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
it's actually harder to use than the source MD.

My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original text 
into fields with pipes. 
I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply specified 
tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to avoid tiddler 
name collisions.
Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak 
the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or 
marked as a problem.

This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. Repeat.

Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having to 
look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I checked 
each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to mark items 
for review and come back and double-check links later, like when I was 
really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 


On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
>>
>> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to 
>> work with:
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html
>>
>
> Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
> aggregator.
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>> Is this the link? 
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
>>> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
>>> notowritey.
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>>
>>> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>>>
 Hi Mark,
  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small 
 code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq 
 converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the 
 link to that Tiddlywiki!
  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
 configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
 restriction on description, ...





 Best wishes
 Mohammad


 On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping 
> to do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize 
> the 
> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything 
> was 
> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>
> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>
> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions 
> to 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen. 
>
> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If 
> requested, I can roll back existing entrees.
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or 
>> something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, 
>>> turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them 
>>> first.
>>>
>>> Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those 
>>> adding links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to 
>>> https:, that would be appreciated.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-24 Thread Mohammad Rahmani 
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
>
> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to
> work with:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html
>

Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link
aggregator.

>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>> Is this the link?
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not
>> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing
>> notowritey.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>>
>> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small
>>> code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq
>>> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the
>>> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>>>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current
>>> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the
>>> restriction on description, ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping to
 do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize the
 site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything was
 ok, but obviously that's wrong.

 I've removed the entry with a bad url.

 I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions
 to 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen.

 The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If
 requested, I can roll back existing entrees.

 On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:

> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or
> something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known.
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example,
>> turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.
>>
>> Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those
>> adding links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to https:,
>> that would be appreciated.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-24 Thread Saq Imtiaz 
@Birthe and @Mohammad:

This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to 
work with:
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mohammad,
> Is this the link? 
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
> notowritey.
>
> Birthe
>
>
> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small 
>> code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq 
>> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the 
>> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
>> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
>> restriction on description, ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping to 
>>> do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize the 
>>> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything was 
>>> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>>>
>>> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>>>
>>> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions 
>>> to 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen. 
>>>
>>> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If 
>>> requested, I can roll back existing entrees.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or 
 something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known. 

 On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, 
> turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.
>
> Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those adding 
> links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to https:, that 
> would be appreciated.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-24 Thread Mohammad Rahmani 
Hi Birthe,
Yes, this is the right link.
Thank you

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 11:54 AM strikke...@gmail.com <
strikkeglad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mohammad,
> Is this the link?
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not
> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing
> notowritey.
>
> Birthe
>
>
> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small
>> code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq
>> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the
>> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current
>> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the
>> restriction on description, ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping to
>>> do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize the
>>> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything was
>>> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>>>
>>> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>>>
>>> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions
>>> to 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen.
>>>
>>> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If
>>> requested, I can roll back existing entrees.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or
 something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known.

 On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example,
> turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.
>
> Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those adding
> links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to https:, that
> would be appreciated.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-24 Thread strikke...@gmail.com 
Mohammad,
Is this the link? 
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
notowritey.

Birthe


onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:

> Hi Mark,
>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small code 
> to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq converted 
> Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the link to that 
> Tiddlywiki!
>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
> restriction on description, ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping to 
>> do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize the 
>> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything was 
>> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>>
>> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>>
>> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions to 
>> 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen. 
>>
>> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If requested, 
>> I can roll back existing entrees.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or 
>>> something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, 
 turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.

 Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those adding 
 links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to https:, that 
 would be appreciated.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-23 Thread Mohammad Rahmani 
Hi Mark,
 I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small code
to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq converted
Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the link to that
Tiddlywiki!
 I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current
configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the
restriction on description, ...





Best wishes
Mohammad


On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping to do
> follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize the site
> as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything was ok,
> but obviously that's wrong.
>
> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>
> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions to
> 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen.
>
> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If requested,
> I can roll back existing entrees.
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or
>> something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example,
>>> turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.
>>>
>>> Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those adding
>>> links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to https:, that
>>> would be appreciated.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-23 Thread PMario 
On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 3:07:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
...

> Probably even less, if I would use a different template, to create the 
> output file.
> OR
> Would it be possible to create a community-links.json file that you can 
> fetch. ... It would be several kByte. 
>
>
> We could certainly update the scraper to optionally accept JSON.
>
> But, it's quite nice that the originating sites are human readable because 
> it gives users of links.tiddlywiki.com the opportunity to get to know the 
> contributors better.
>

You are right. After reading your answer, I did think about the 
external-core render command. That would be able to have a smaller html 
file and still be able to load a working TW.

Since my wikis and the link-wiki are auto-generated, that will be a nice 
fit.

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-22 Thread David Gifford 
1. Yay! I was wondering when the TW community would get round to this. It 
really needed your initiative, Jeremy. Thanks! It will be nice when this 
can take the place of the Toolmap.

2. Correction: I add the links in TiddlyWiki toolmap to as many categories 
as I think are appropriate, and ofte tell the creators to let me know if 
they belong in additional categories. I recommend that people do a search 
in the Toolmap to see how many categories a plugin has already. That might 
give them more ideas for tags in the TWCLA.

3. The 5-10 word limit you mentioned for descriptions is restrictive. Most 
of the descriptions in the toolmap have the advantage that I have taken 
them right from the plugin demo sites themselves. I try to keep them to a 
line or two. People might consider the descriptions there when adding their 
links.

4. Yes, I will add a bunch of links myself! But this week I have a lot on 
my plate.

5. *Could you add mine?* Username: giffmex site URL: 
https://giffmex.org/gifts/twcla.html. I added one link for now to make sure 
I did it right.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 1:54:56 PM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems like a  first step would be to convert the community resources 
> into links. A second step might be to convert TiddlyWiki Toolmap into links.
>
>
> Yes to both.
>
> One of the reasons I didn't add tiddlywiki.com as a source is because the 
> tiddlers there have a bunch of other tags that aren't meaningful in this 
> context. So it would be great if anyone would like to clean them up and put 
> them in a wiki somewhere.
>
> In the case of the Toolmap, it might well be a community effort to get 
> everything moved across in a useful way. As I understand it, links in the 
> toolmap are filed under a single set of hierarchical categories, while the 
> links aggregator allows for multiple topics to be assigned to each link.
>
> What happens if two people share the same link?
>
>
> That's a good thing! This site is modelled on an ancient "Web 2.0" site 
> called "del.icio.us" (see 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website) ), where the idea is 
> that multiple people bookmarking a particular link is taken as a sign of 
> the popularity of that link. So, bookmarking a site is a vote of confidence.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:17:16 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is a FANTASTIC idea. Bravo. Will be digesting alongside the 
>> Tiddlywiki-on-Fission work being done.
>>
>> Are we starting to approach a 'standard' "Link Tiddler" format? That's 
>> also cool to see, as I intend to have a few different wikis to curate links 
>> for various topics. Setting one up for Tiddlywiki-focused bookmarks only 
>> will be easy. :)
>>
>> Best,
>> Joshua Fontany
>>
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:
>>>
>>> HOOORAYYY
>>>
>>> Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for 
>>> it.
>>> Two notes:
>>>
>>> 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g 
>>> clicking on federatial.com doesn't lead to that site.
>>> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
 One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a 
 good place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
 Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable 
 community 
 resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
 undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.

 So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links 
 aggregator that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:

 https://links.tiddlywiki.com

 The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain 
 their own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are 
 registered 
 with the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all 
 the 
 links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.

 The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, 
 but the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:

 https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html

 It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement 
 is that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” 
 field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my 
 links are to be found at:

 https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/

 My bookmarking wiki is here:

 https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com

 If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread 
 the workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
 individually. I’d be

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-22 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Thanks Mark.

The fact that URLs come in all shapes and sizes does make things awkward, which 
is probably why few mainstream apps display links in full these days (eg 
Twitter, Chrome).

The scraper does some normalization of the link URLs, I'll look at possibly 
extending it to record the domain name part of the link separately so that we 
can use that in certain places in the UI instead of the full link. Or perhaps 
eliding most of the link with ellipsis, as Twitter does. And as a fallback, 
I'll make sure the CSS prefers breaking the URLs to overflowing them.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 22 Mar 2021, at 13:29, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Longer URL's overflow:
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-22 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Hi Mario

> Would it be possible to create a file, that doesn't contain the TW core. ... 
> My links file would be about 300k instead of 2.5MByte. 

Yes, you can use a modified version of the main HTML template that omits all 
the JS to create an "inert" TiddlyWiki which will still be read perfectly 
happily by the scraper.

Having said that, probably the best performance improvement we can make would 
be for the scraper to record the last modified date of each scan, and thus be 
able to pass an If-Modified-Since header to subsequent requests to avoid 
re-downloading data that hasn't changed.

> Probably even less, if I would use a different template, to create the output 
> file.
> OR
> Would it be possible to create a community-links.json file that you can 
> fetch. ... It would be several kByte. 

We could certainly update the scraper to optionally accept JSON.

But, it's quite nice that the originating sites are human readable because it 
gives users of links.tiddlywiki.com the opportunity to get to know the 
contributors better.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> -mario
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 10:37:15 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> So no misunderstanding:
>>> 
>>> My wiki with "link tiddlers" can really be any wiki that contains other 
>>> non-link stuff because only the tiddlers tagged $:/tags/Link are fetched by 
>>> the script, right?
>> 
>> That's correct, but another consideration is that the wiki will be fetched 
>> very frequently, so it's polite to make it as small as possible.
>> 
>> I will add stats for the size of the wikis that are fetched so we could 
>> identify wikis that are carrying an unreasonable overhead, but for the 
>> moment we probably don't need to worry about it too much.
>> 
>> The most important consideration is probably making your workflow as smooth 
>> as possible so that you've got every incentive to keep posting the links...
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> <:-)
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:39:04 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
 Just to add that the aggregator is currently set to run every 17 minutes, 
 so once you're registered like Mohammad you can keep adding links and 
 watch them appear on the site very shortly afterwards without any 
 intervention from me.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Jeremy
 
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> On 21 Mar 2021, at 20:36, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> This is the content from the TiddlyWiki toolmap from about 6 months ago, 
> where each entry is in a separate tiddler:
 
> 
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/temp/streams-tiddlytoolmap%20-2.html#TiddlyWiki%20toolmap
> 
> We might be able to automate extracting and putting the links in the 
> correct field, renaming and tagging the tiddlers.
> Each entry should ideally still be manually reviewed for accuracy and 
> completeness though.
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a 
>>> good place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. 
>>> Dave Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable 
>>> community resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to 
>>> keep an undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>>> 
>>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links 
>>> aggregator that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>>> 
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>>> 
>>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain 
>>> their own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are 
>>> registered with the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script 
>>> retrieves all the links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>>> 
>>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, 
>>> but the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>>> 
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>>> 
>>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement 
>>> is that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an 
>>> “url” field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and 
>>> all my links are to be found at:
>>> 
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>>> 
>>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>>> 
>>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>>> 
>>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread 
>>> the workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could 
>>> do individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link 
>>> editors making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be 
>>> scaled to at least a few hundred.
>>> 
>>> If you’re

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
Longer URL's overflow:


[image: marxsal-s Links- links-tiddlywiki-com — TiddlyWiki community links 
3-22-2021 6-27-36 AM.png]

>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-22 Thread PMario 
Jeremy, 

Would it be possible to create a file, that doesn't contain the TW core. 
... My links file would be about 300k instead of 2.5MByte. 
Probably even less, if I would use a different template, to create the 
output file.
OR
Would it be possible to create a community-links.json file that you can 
fetch. ... It would be several kByte. 

At the moment I want to automatically create the links file if I create a 
new index file of wikilabs page. 

-mario
On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 10:37:15 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> So no misunderstanding:
>
> My wiki with "link tiddlers" can really be any wiki that contains other 
> non-link stuff because only the tiddlers tagged $:/tags/Link are fetched by 
> the script, right?
>
>
> That's correct, but another consideration is that the wiki will be fetched 
> very frequently, so it's polite to make it as small as possible.
>
> I will add stats for the size of the wikis that are fetched so we could 
> identify wikis that are carrying an unreasonable overhead, but for the 
> moment we probably don't need to worry about it too much.
>
> The most important consideration is probably making your workflow as 
> smooth as possible so that you've got every incentive to keep posting the 
> links...
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> <:-)
>
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:39:04 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Just to add that the aggregator is currently set to run every 17 minutes, 
>> so once you're registered like Mohammad you can keep adding links and watch 
>> them appear on the site very shortly afterwards without any intervention 
>> from me.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> --
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>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 21 Mar 2021, at 20:36, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>> This is the content from the TiddlyWiki toolmap from about 6 months ago, 
>> where each entry is in a separate tiddler:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/temp/streams-tiddlytoolmap%20-2.html#TiddlyWiki%20toolmap
>>
>> We might be able to automate extracting and putting the links in the 
>> correct field, renaming and tagging the tiddlers.
>> Each entry should ideally still be manually reviewed for accuracy and 
>> completeness though.
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
>>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
>>> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community 
>>> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
>>> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>>>
>>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links 
>>> aggregator that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>>>
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>>>
>>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain 
>>> their own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered 
>>> with the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the 
>>> links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>>>
>>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, 
>>> but the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>>>
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>>>
>>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement 
>>> is that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” 
>>> field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my 
>>> links are to be found at:
>>>
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>>>
>>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>>>
>>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>>>
>>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
>>> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
>>> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors 
>>> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to 
>>> at least a few hundred.
>>>
>>> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
>>> wiki and your choice of username.
>>>
>>> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this 
>>> forward:
>>>
>>> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling 
>>> to be a placeholder!)
>>> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
>>> * Adding support for multiple languages
>>> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
>>>
>>> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in 
>>> order to get another GitHub Pages site:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
>>>
>>> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
>>> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
>>>
>>> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that 
>>> I’ve learned on my recent client

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread clutterstack 
I'm glad to see this. There will be lots to learn from the experience. I've 
created a tiddlyhost site for this and made a pull request. I see I'm 
already not sticking to the rules with my 14-word link description.

Sorry if I missed something about this, but it looks as if automatic 
linking of CamelCase is causing some dead links (for example TiddlyWiki in 
the example tiddlers).

Best wishes,
Chris
On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:24:27 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> [...] polite to make it as small as possible.
>> [...] your workflow as smooth as possible so that you've got every 
>> incentive to keep posting the links...
>>
>
> Definitely a disconnect there.
> I've previously experimented with savers that save to two places, using 
> different saving filters. So I use my everyday wiki and click save, 
> seemingly as normal. In reality, a copy is saved to another instance but 
> the save filter filters out everything but the tiddlers tagged 
> $:/tags/Link. The aggregator fetches from this wiki only. (BTW, such a 
> multi-saver is pretty cool in itself; you could have one central wiki to 
> publish niche content to multiple niche wikis.)
>
> BTW, fellow tiddleur Erwan deserves some cred for this concept. More so 
> than the mention of TWederation. He designed a "community plugin 
> aggregator" many suns ago. 
>
> <:-)
>
>  
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Mat 
Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> [...] polite to make it as small as possible.
> [...] your workflow as smooth as possible so that you've got every 
> incentive to keep posting the links...
>

Definitely a disconnect there.
I've previously experimented with savers that save to two places, using 
different saving filters. So I use my everyday wiki and click save, 
seemingly as normal. In reality, a copy is saved to another instance but 
the save filter filters out everything but the tiddlers tagged 
$:/tags/Link. The aggregator fetches from this wiki only. (BTW, such a 
multi-saver is pretty cool in itself; you could have one central wiki to 
publish niche content to multiple niche wikis.)

BTW, fellow tiddleur Erwan deserves some cred for this concept. More so 
than the mention of TWederation. He designed a "community plugin 
aggregator" many suns ago. 

<:-)

 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
> So no misunderstanding:
> 
> My wiki with "link tiddlers" can really be any wiki that contains other 
> non-link stuff because only the tiddlers tagged $:/tags/Link are fetched by 
> the script, right?

That's correct, but another consideration is that the wiki will be fetched very 
frequently, so it's polite to make it as small as possible.

I will add stats for the size of the wikis that are fetched so we could 
identify wikis that are carrying an unreasonable overhead, but for the moment 
we probably don't need to worry about it too much.

The most important consideration is probably making your workflow as smooth as 
possible so that you've got every incentive to keep posting the links...

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> <:-)
> 
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:39:04 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Just to add that the aggregator is currently set to run every 17 minutes, so 
>> once you're registered like Mohammad you can keep adding links and watch 
>> them appear on the site very shortly afterwards without any intervention 
>> from me.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> --
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>> 
 On 21 Mar 2021, at 20:36, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
 
>>> This is the content from the TiddlyWiki toolmap from about 6 months ago, 
>>> where each entry is in a separate tiddler:
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/temp/streams-tiddlytoolmap%20-2.html#TiddlyWiki%20toolmap
>>> 
>>> We might be able to automate extracting and putting the links in the 
>>> correct field, renaming and tagging the tiddlers.
>>> Each entry should ideally still be manually reviewed for accuracy and 
>>> completeness though.
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable 
> community resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep 
> an undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
> 
> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
> 
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
> 
> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain 
> their own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are 
> registered with the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script 
> retrieves all the links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
> 
> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
> the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
> 
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
> 
> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” 
> field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my 
> links are to be found at:
> 
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
> 
> My bookmarking wiki is here:
> 
> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
> 
> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link 
> editors making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be 
> scaled to at least a few hundred.
> 
> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
> wiki and your choice of username.
> 
> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
> 
> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling 
> to be a placeholder!)
> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
> * Adding support for multiple languages
> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
> 
> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in 
> order to get another GitHub Pages site:
> 
> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
> 
> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long 
> time).
> 
> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains 
> to get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
> experience for that initiative.
> 
> Questions and thoughts welcome,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
> 
 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Mat 
So no misunderstanding:

My wiki with "link tiddlers" can really be any wiki that contains other 
non-link stuff because only the tiddlers tagged $:/tags/Link are fetched by 
the script, right?

<:-)

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:39:04 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Just to add that the aggregator is currently set to run every 17 minutes, 
> so once you're registered like Mohammad you can keep adding links and watch 
> them appear on the site very shortly afterwards without any intervention 
> from me.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
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>
> On 21 Mar 2021, at 20:36, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
> This is the content from the TiddlyWiki toolmap from about 6 months ago, 
> where each entry is in a separate tiddler:
>
>
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/temp/streams-tiddlytoolmap%20-2.html#TiddlyWiki%20toolmap
>
> We might be able to automate extracting and putting the links in the 
> correct field, renaming and tagging the tiddlers.
> Each entry should ideally still be manually reviewed for accuracy and 
> completeness though.
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
>> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community 
>> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
>> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>>
>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
>> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>>
>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain 
>> their own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered 
>> with the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the 
>> links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>>
>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
>> the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>>
>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
>> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” 
>> field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my 
>> links are to be found at:
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>>
>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>>
>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>>
>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
>> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
>> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors 
>> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to 
>> at least a few hundred.
>>
>> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
>> wiki and your choice of username.
>>
>> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
>>
>> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling 
>> to be a placeholder!)
>> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
>> * Adding support for multiple languages
>> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
>>
>> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in 
>> order to get another GitHub Pages site:
>>
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
>>
>> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
>> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
>>
>> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
>> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
>> get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
>> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
>> experience for that initiative.
>>
>> Questions and thoughts welcome,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Just to add that the aggregator is currently set to run every 17 minutes, so 
once you're registered like Mohammad you can keep adding links and watch them 
appear on the site very shortly afterwards without any intervention from me.

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> On 21 Mar 2021, at 20:36, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> This is the content from the TiddlyWiki toolmap from about 6 months ago, 
> where each entry is in a separate tiddler:
> 
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/temp/streams-tiddlytoolmap%20-2.html#TiddlyWiki%20toolmap
> 
> We might be able to automate extracting and putting the links in the correct 
> field, renaming and tagging the tiddlers.
> Each entry should ideally still be manually reviewed for accuracy and 
> completeness though.
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave Gifford 
>> has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community 
>> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
>> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>> 
>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
>> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>> 
>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain their 
>> own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered with 
>> the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the links 
>> and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>> 
>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
>> the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>> 
>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
>> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” field 
>> containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my links are 
>> to be found at:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>> 
>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>> 
>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>> 
>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
>> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
>> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors 
>> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to at 
>> least a few hundred.
>> 
>> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
>> wiki and your choice of username.
>> 
>> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
>> 
>> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling to 
>> be a placeholder!)
>> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
>> * Adding support for multiple languages
>> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
>> 
>> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in order 
>> to get another GitHub Pages site:
>> 
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
>> 
>> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
>> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
>> 
>> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
>> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
>> get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
>> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
>> experience for that initiative.
>> 
>> Questions and thoughts welcome,
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Hi Mat

> Aha. IMO, the string "https://federation.com; definitely makes me think it 
> is, well, a link to that site. Besides, what's the point in having that link 
> leads to itself...? But OK, maybe it's too early to bring up things like this.

Yes indeed, it's not ideal. I did try it the other way, where the link goes to 
the site, and an "info" icon goes to the page about the site. But I found that 
that meant that one kept accidentally visiting sites when trying to just click 
around exploring. I'm sure there's a better solution, given a bit more thought.

>>> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)
>> 
>> Tell us more!
> 
> Motovun Jack representing TW and that lace representing links - 
> TiddlyWikiLinks! :-

That's right, a chain seemed the clearest icon for links, and the most 
plausible way for Jack to wear a chain is as jewellery around his neck...

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Mat 
Jeremy wrote:
 

> Clicking on the federatial.com link will take you to the page about that 
> link. To visit the link itself you need to click on the "open in new 
> window" icon.
>

Aha. IMO, the string "https://federation.com; definitely makes me think it 
is, well, a link to that site. Besides, what's the point in having that 
link leads to itself...? But OK, maybe it's too early to bring up things 
like this.
 

> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)
>
> Tell us more!
>

Motovun Jack representing TW and that lace representing links - 
TiddlyWikiLinks! :-D

<:-) 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
> It seems like a  first step would be to convert the community resources into 
> links. A second step might be to convert TiddlyWiki Toolmap into links.

Yes to both.

One of the reasons I didn't add tiddlywiki.com as a source is because the 
tiddlers there have a bunch of other tags that aren't meaningful in this 
context. So it would be great if anyone would like to clean them up and put 
them in a wiki somewhere.

In the case of the Toolmap, it might well be a community effort to get 
everything moved across in a useful way. As I understand it, links in the 
toolmap are filed under a single set of hierarchical categories, while the 
links aggregator allows for multiple topics to be assigned to each link.

> What happens if two people share the same link?

That's a good thing! This site is modelled on an ancient "Web 2.0" site called 
"del.icio.us" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website) ), where 
the idea is that multiple people bookmarking a particular link is taken as a 
sign of the popularity of that link. So, bookmarking a site is a vote of 
confidence.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:17:16 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com wrote:
>> This is a FANTASTIC idea. Bravo. Will be digesting alongside the 
>> Tiddlywiki-on-Fission work being done.
>> 
>> Are we starting to approach a 'standard' "Link Tiddler" format? That's also 
>> cool to see, as I intend to have a few different wikis to curate links for 
>> various topics. Setting one up for Tiddlywiki-focused bookmarks only will be 
>> easy. :)
>> 
>> Best,
>> Joshua Fontany
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
>>> Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:
>>> 
>>> HOOORAYYY
>>> 
>>> Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for it.
>>> Two notes:
>>> 
>>> 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g clicking 
>>> on federatial.com doesn't lead to that site.
>>> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)
>>> 
>>> <:-)
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
 One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
 place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
 Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable 
 community resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep 
 an undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
 
 So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
 that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
 
 https://links.tiddlywiki.com
 
 The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain their 
 own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered with 
 the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the 
 links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
 
 The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
 the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
 
 https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
 
 It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
 that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” 
 field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my 
 links are to be found at:
 
 https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
 
 My bookmarking wiki is here:
 
 https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
 
 If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
 workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
 individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link 
 editors making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be 
 scaled to at least a few hundred.
 
 If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
 wiki and your choice of username.
 
 As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
 
 * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling to 
 be a placeholder!)
 * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
 * Adding support for multiple languages
 * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
 
 The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in 
 order to get another GitHub Pages site:
 
 https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
 
 (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
 "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long 
 time).
 
 I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
 learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
 get a Community Plugin Library up and

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
> This is a FANTASTIC idea. Bravo. Will be digesting alongside the 
> Tiddlywiki-on-Fission work being done.
> 
> Are we starting to approach a 'standard' "Link Tiddler" format? That's also 
> cool to see, as I intend to have a few different wikis to curate links for 
> various topics. Setting one up for Tiddlywiki-focused bookmarks only will be 
> easy. :)

I guess it's now a de facto standard; this is the format that tiddlywiki.com 
already uses. I haven't added tiddlywiki.com as a source because once we've got 
this up and running I think we should remove the community links from the main 
site (or have the main site take a summary of the links from 
links.tiddlywiki.com).

A bookmarklet for adding links to ones bookmarking wiki would be handy.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
> 
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
>> Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:
>> 
>> HOOORAYYY
>> 
>> Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for it.
>> Two notes:
>> 
>> 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g clicking 
>> on federatial.com doesn't lead to that site.
>> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)
>> 
>> <:-)
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
>>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
>>> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community 
>>> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
>>> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>>> 
>>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
>>> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>>> 
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>>> 
>>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain their 
>>> own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered with 
>>> the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the 
>>> links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>>> 
>>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
>>> the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>>> 
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>>> 
>>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
>>> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” 
>>> field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my 
>>> links are to be found at:
>>> 
>>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>>> 
>>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>>> 
>>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>>> 
>>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
>>> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
>>> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors 
>>> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to 
>>> at least a few hundred.
>>> 
>>> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
>>> wiki and your choice of username.
>>> 
>>> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
>>> 
>>> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling to 
>>> be a placeholder!)
>>> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
>>> * Adding support for multiple languages
>>> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
>>> 
>>> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in 
>>> order to get another GitHub Pages site:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
>>> 
>>> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
>>> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
>>> 
>>> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
>>> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
>>> get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
>>> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
>>> experience for that initiative.
>>> 
>>> Questions and thoughts welcome,
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Jeremy.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

2021-03-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Hi Mat
> Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:
> 
> HOOORAYYY
> 
> Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for it.

Great. You can always change your wiki URL later.

> 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g clicking on 
> federatial.com doesn't lead to that site.

Clicking on the federatial.com link will take you to the page about that link. 
To visit the link itself you need to click on the "open in new window" icon.

> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)

Tell us more!

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> <:-)
> 
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave Gifford 
>> has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community 
>> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
>> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>> 
>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
>> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>> 
>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain their 
>> own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered with 
>> the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the links 
>> and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>> 
>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
>> the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>> 
>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
>> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” field 
>> containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my links are 
>> to be found at:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>> 
>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>> 
>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>> 
>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
>> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
>> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors 
>> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to at 
>> least a few hundred.
>> 
>> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
>> wiki and your choice of username.
>> 
>> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
>> 
>> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling to 
>> be a placeholder!)
>> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
>> * Adding support for multiple languages
>> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
>> 
>> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in order 
>> to get another GitHub Pages site:
>> 
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
>> 
>> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
>> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
>> 
>> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
>> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
>> get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
>> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
>> experience for that initiative.
>> 
>> Questions and thoughts welcome,
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> 
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