[time-nuts] Snopes on the Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/barometer.asp __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY >From: Rob Kimberley >Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:22 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question >My apologies - I have been misinformed! >Rob But at least you know what time it is . . . ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Pre-Release Docs and Schematics for the Fury Interface Board
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY George The potential ground loop via the RF cable connecting the OCXO output to the Fury board can be broken by using an RF transformer. This leaves (when the Fury and the interface board use separate supplies) the EFC cable ground as the only connection between the Fury and the interface board grounds. If the Fury board and the interface board share power supplies then a diff amp can be used to sense and correct for any volatage difference between the Fury EFC ground and the OCXO EFC ground pin. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Javier wrote: > Curious history... but when I did read it at Analog Circuit Design - > Art, Science and Personalities, compiled by Jim Williams, in the first > introductory chapter there is the same history, and if I'm right the > author claims that he was the professor of that alumn. I've not my copy > of the book at hand, so I'm not completely sure... anyway, I'm sure that > Bohr was not mentioned :) > > Regards, > > Javier > > I just looked. The author of that piece was Alexander Calandra who has been cited in other parts of this thread. In that story he says that he was the arbiter. Calandra does not mention the student by name. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Pre-Release Docs and Schematics for the Fury Interface Board
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Said, > > In this particular case, I would solder a "single header pin", to each > hole in the OCXO footprint, and then use a "single wire header > connector" to attach to it. > > Then, have all 4 wires connect to the interface board via a 4 pin, connector. > > This way, the Fury gets soldered only once and can be disconnected anytime. > > I will add that to the schematic. > > Bruce Griffiths, has been providing me with some excellent feedback on > the EFC interface design. I am making a few changes based on his > recommendations. > > The more I think about it, the more I am worried about ground > isolation between the HP OCXO and the rest of the system. > > I have a few ways to approach this. One is to simply provide 3 > different voltages to the system, each isolated from each other. In > other words, don't use > voltage regulators to get from +/-24V down to 12. > > The proper solution would be for a separate board which provides 3 > different DC outputs, all isolated from each other, including ground. > > 1. +24V for the oven. HP OCXO's only. > 2. +12V For the oven. This could be supplied by the Fury which also > compensates for temp. > 3. +/-12V for the EFC interface. > > The interface board must not add noise to the Fury. Looks like there's > more work to be done. > > -G > > George On board regulators with "remote" sensing can easily accurately regulate the voltage between the OCXO connector pins and a standard differential amplifier can be used to eliminate/reduce the effect of any small low frequency voltage differences between the Fury and the OCXO EFC grounds. Thus using on board regulators to drop the 24V to a lower voltage for the OCXO should be OK. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 03:36 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: >); SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > >John Day escribió: > > > > Some sources say that Rutherford was the arbiter. Why would > > Rutherford have become involved? But it is true that around 1911 Bohr > > did work in Rutherfords laboratory. > > > > > >And at that time I don't think that Rutherford were interested on >knowing from Bohr how to determie the height of a building with a >barometer... when discussing matter structure ;) Indeed! I suppose all sorts of stories surround our heroes, many true, many not. Well I remember the legend of Feynman before I met him in 1973 - a totally differnet person to what I was led to believe. John >Regards, > >Javier > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 03:35 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: >); SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > >At 02:31 PM 10/31/2007 , John Day wrote: > > > >You beat me to it Poul-Henning, the legend is first documented in > >1958, but did not involve Bohr. I heard it in 1971 in the UK and gain > >in 1973 in the US - by then it is attributed to Bohr. > > > >Some sources say that Rutherford was the arbiter. Why would > >Rutherford have become involved? But it is true that around 1911 Bohr > >did work in Rutherfords laboratory. > > > >I later again heard the same legend in California in 1976, but about > >some other eminently undistinguished candidate, not Bohr. >So, who's going to submit this urban legend to Snopes for them to track down? It's on snopes as far as I know. John >-- >newell N5TNL > > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Scott Newell wrote: > > So, who's going to submit this urban legend to Snopes for them to track down? > > It already is there... http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/barometer.asp ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY John Day escribió: > > Some sources say that Rutherford was the arbiter. Why would > Rutherford have become involved? But it is true that around 1911 Bohr > did work in Rutherfords laboratory. > > And at that time I don't think that Rutherford were interested on knowing from Bohr how to determie the height of a building with a barometer... when discussing matter structure ;) Regards, Javier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 03:21 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: >); SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > >My apologies - I have been misinformed! > >Rob But it's a good story anyway Rob! John >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp >Sent: 31 October 2007 19:10 >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question > >); SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > >In message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rob Kimberley" writes: > > >The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the >University > >of Copenhagen: > > > > > >"Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer." > > > >[urban legend] > > > >The student was Nils Bohr, the first Dane to win the Nobel prize for > >Physics. > >No, it most certainly was not Niels Bohr, and I seriously doubt it >was anybody, as this particular urban legend was already old when >I studied physics... > >Poul-Henning > >-- >Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 >FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe >Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > > > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY My apologies - I have been misinformed! Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: 31 October 2007 19:10 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In message , "Rob Kimberley" writes: >The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University >of Copenhagen: > > >"Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer." > >[urban legend] > >The student was Nils Bohr, the first Dane to win the Nobel prize for >Physics. No, it most certainly was not Niels Bohr, and I seriously doubt it was anybody, as this particular urban legend was already old when I studied physics... Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 02:31 PM 10/31/2007 , John Day wrote: > >You beat me to it Poul-Henning, the legend is first documented in >1958, but did not involve Bohr. I heard it in 1971 in the UK and gain >in 1973 in the US - by then it is attributed to Bohr. > >Some sources say that Rutherford was the arbiter. Why would >Rutherford have become involved? But it is true that around 1911 Bohr >did work in Rutherfords laboratory. > >I later again heard the same legend in California in 1976, but about >some other eminently undistinguished candidate, not Bohr. So, who's going to submit this urban legend to Snopes for them to track down? -- newell N5TNL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 03:10 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: >); SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > >In message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rob Kimberley" writes: > > >The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University > >of Copenhagen: > > > > > >"Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer." > > > >[urban legend] > > > >The student was Nils Bohr, the first Dane to win the Nobel prize for > >Physics. > >No, it most certainly was not Niels Bohr, and I seriously doubt it >was anybody, as this particular urban legend was already old when >I studied physics... You beat me to it Poul-Henning, the legend is first documented in 1958, but did not involve Bohr. I heard it in 1971 in the UK and gain in 1973 in the US - by then it is attributed to Bohr. Some sources say that Rutherford was the arbiter. Why would Rutherford have become involved? But it is true that around 1911 Bohr did work in Rutherfords laboratory. I later again heard the same legend in California in 1976, but about some other eminently undistinguished candidate, not Bohr. John >Poul-Henning > >-- >Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 >FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe >Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I must admit that this reminds me of the only Dane I know really well, and who happens to be a frequent contributor to this list. I can just see him saying "If you would like a nice new barometer..." :-) Warner In message: "Rob Kimberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false : Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY : : Completely off topic, but thought this might amuse you all. : : Rob K : : : The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University : of Copenhagen: : : : "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer." : : : One student replied: : : : "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the : barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the : string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the : building." : : : This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was : failed immediately. He appealed on the grounds that his answer was : indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to : decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but : did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics. To resolve the problem : it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to : provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the : basic principles of physics. For five minutes the student sat in silence, : forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running : out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant : answers, but couldn't make up his mind which to use. On being advised to : hurry up the student replied as follows: : : : "Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper, : drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground. : The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g : x t squared. But bad luck on the barometer. : : : "Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer, : then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure : the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter : of proportional arithmetic to work uut the height of the skyscraper. : : : "But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short : piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at : ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked : out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqrroot : (l/g). : : : "Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier : to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer : lengths, then add them up. : : : "If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you : could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the : skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into : feet to give the height of the building. : : : But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind : and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on : the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I : will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'." : : : The student was Nils Bohr, the first Dane to win the Nobel prize for : Physics. : : : : : ___ : time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com : To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts : and follow the instructions there. : : ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Curious history... but when I did read it at Analog Circuit Design - Art, Science and Personalities, compiled by Jim Williams, in the first introductory chapter there is the same history, and if I'm right the author claims that he was the professor of that alumn. I've not my copy of the book at hand, so I'm not completely sure... anyway, I'm sure that Bohr was not mentioned :) Regards, Javier Rob Kimberley escribió: > Completely off topic, but thought this might amuse you all. > > Rob K > > > The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University > of Copenhagen: > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 02:10 PM 10/31/2007 , Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >>"Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer." >> >>[urban legend] >> >>The student was Nils Bohr, the first Dane to win the Nobel prize for >>Physics. > >No, it most certainly was not Niels Bohr, and I seriously doubt it >was anybody, as this particular urban legend was already old when >I studied physics... There's a retelling of the same story in one of the (excellent!) Jim Williams books. -- newell N5TNL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question
In message , "Rob Kimberley" writes: >The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University >of Copenhagen: > > >"Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer." > >[urban legend] > >The student was Nils Bohr, the first Dane to win the Nobel prize for >Physics. No, it most certainly was not Niels Bohr, and I seriously doubt it was anybody, as this particular urban legend was already old when I studied physics... Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Danish Question
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Completely off topic, but thought this might amuse you all. Rob K The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University of Copenhagen: "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer." One student replied: "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the building." This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was failed immediately. He appealed on the grounds that his answer was indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics. To resolve the problem it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the basic principles of physics. For five minutes the student sat in silence, forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant answers, but couldn't make up his mind which to use. On being advised to hurry up the student replied as follows: "Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper, drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground. The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g x t squared. But bad luck on the barometer. "Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer, then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter of proportional arithmetic to work uut the height of the skyscraper. "But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqrroot (l/g). "Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer lengths, then add them up. "If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into feet to give the height of the building. But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'." The student was Nils Bohr, the first Dane to win the Nobel prize for Physics. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] HP 107BR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY A friend of me has just acquired a HP 107BR frequency standard and is looking for doc's. Is there anyone on this list who knows where to find an electronic copy of this manual? Best regards, Stijn Nestra ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Pre-Release Docs and Schematics for the Fury Interface Board
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Said, In this particular case, I would solder a "single header pin", to each hole in the OCXO footprint, and then use a "single wire header connector" to attach to it. Then, have all 4 wires connect to the interface board via a 4 pin, connector. This way, the Fury gets soldered only once and can be disconnected anytime. I will add that to the schematic. Bruce Griffiths, has been providing me with some excellent feedback on the EFC interface design. I am making a few changes based on his recommendations. The more I think about it, the more I am worried about ground isolation between the HP OCXO and the rest of the system. I have a few ways to approach this. One is to simply provide 3 different voltages to the system, each isolated from each other. In other words, don't use voltage regulators to get from +/-24V down to 12. The proper solution would be for a separate board which provides 3 different DC outputs, all isolated from each other, including ground. 1. +24V for the oven. HP OCXO's only. 2. +12V For the oven. This could be supplied by the Fury which also compensates for temp. 3. +/-12V for the EFC interface. The interface board must not add noise to the Fury. Looks like there's more work to be done. -G Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > In a message dated 10/30/2007 11:17:58 Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> Ok, this one is somewhat difficult. The HP oscillators have +12 and >> +24 V supplies. MTI requires +5 to +15 and Crystek needs +12. So we >> have a wide range here. What does the Fury supply? > >> A compromise has to be made. > >> On the Fury, Is there a connector that breaks out the pinout of the >> OCXO or would the individual power pins need to be directly soldered to? > >> I would rather avoid direct soldering. I want to have the Fury is a >> "untouched" state, if possible. > > > > Hi George, > > Fury supplies 10.5V nominally at the OCXO's pins next to the SMA connectors. > 220mA max is expected. Most 12V OCXO's will work well at 10.5V. > > Unfortunately this means soldering to the power pins of the OCXO footprint > directly, unless you can clamp a wire into the holes. > > bye, > Said > > > > ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] windows xp 'internet time'
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On 10/31/07, Bruce Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alternatively, if you don't want to deal with the Redmond Empire's > anal "Windows Genuine (dis)Advantage" crap, you can find a freeware patching > program at this link: They can alos be avoided with an even better "freeware patching program". It's called "Ubuntu" :-) I noticed yesterday that the clock on my XMradio receiver had gone to standard time over the weekend...D'oh! -- Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP SCWCD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://voicenet.com/~maggie AOPA 925383 -- Amateur Radio Station K3XS -- ARRL 39280 -- AMSAT 32844 "The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order."-A.N.Whitehead ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Mark Twain: My Watch // An Instructive Tail
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Lovely! Not seen this before, but what a nice start to my day. Thanks Christopher. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christopher hoover Sent: 31 October 2007 07:05 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Mark Twain: My Watch // An Instructive Tail ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Twain, Mark, 1835-1910. My Watch : An Instructive Little Tale Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Library MY WATCH AN INSTRUCTIVE TALE MY beautiful new watch had run eighteen months without losing or gaining, and without breaking any part of its machinery or stopping. I had come to believe it infallible in its judgments about the time of day, and to consider its constitution and its anatomy imperishable. But at last, one night, I let it run down. I grieved about it as if it were a recognized messenger and forerunner of calamity. But by and by I cheered up, set the watch by guess, and commanded my bodings and superstitions to depart. Next day I stepped into the chief jeweler's to set it by the exact time, and the head of the establishment took it out of my hand and proceeded to set it for me. Then he said, "She is four minutes slow -- regulator wants pushing up." I tried to stop him -- tried to make him understand that the watch kept perfect time. But no; all this human cabbage could see was that the watch was four minutes slow, and the regulator must be pushed up a little; and so, while I danced around him in anguish, and implored him to let the watch alone, he calmly and cruelly did the shameful deed. My watch began to gain. It gained faster and faster day by day. Within the week it sickened to a raging fever, and its pulse went up to a hundred and fifty in the shade. At the end of two months it had left all the timepieces of the town far in the rear, and was a fraction over thirteen days ahead of the almanac. It was away into November enjoying the snow, while the October leaves were still turning. It hurried up house rent, bills payable, and such things, in such a ruinous way that I could not abide it. I took it to the watchmaker to be regulated. He asked me if I had ever had it repaired. I said no, it had never needed any repairing. He looked a look of vicious happiness and eagerly pried the watch open, and then put a small dice box into his eye and peered into its machinery. He said it wanted cleaning and oiling, besides regulating -- come in a week. After being cleaned and oiled, and regulated, my watch slowed down to that degree that it ticked like a tolling bell. I began to be left by trains, I failed all appointments, I got to missing my dinner; my watch strung out three days' grace to four and let me go to protest; I gradually drifted back into yesterday, then day before, then into last week, and by and by the comprehension came upon me that all solitary and alone I was lingering along in week before last, and the world was out of sight. I seemed to detect in myself a sort of sneaking fellow-feeling for the mummy in the museum, and desire to swap news with him. I went to a watch maker again. He took the watch all to pieces while I waited, and then said the barrel was "swelled." He said he could reduce it in three days. After this the watch averaged well, but nothing more. For half a day it would go like the very mischief, and keep up such a barking and wheezing and whooping and sneezing and snorting, that I could not hear myself think for the disturbance; and as long as it held out there was not a watch in the land that stood any chance against it. But the rest of the day it would keep on slowing down and fooling along until all the clocks it had left behind caught up again. So at last, at the end of twenty-four hours, it would trot up to the judges' stand all right and just in time. It would show a fair and square average, and no man could say it had done more or less than its duty. But a correct average is only a mild virtue in a watch, and I took this instrument to another watchmaker. He said the kingbolt was broken. I said I was glad it was nothing more serious. To tell the plain truth, I had no idea what the kingbolt was, but I did not choose to appear ignorant to a stranger. He repaired the kingbolt, but what the watch gained in one way it lost in another. It would run awhile and then stop awhile, and then run awhile again, and so on, using its own discretion about the intervals. And every time it went off it kicked back like a musket. I padded my breast for a few days, but finally took the watch to another watchmaker. He picked it all to pieces, and turned the ruin over and over under his glass; and then he said there appeared to be something the matter with the hair-trigger. He fixed it, and gave it a fresh start. It did well now, except that always at ten minutes to ten the hands would shut together like a pair of scissors, an
