RE:[tips] Not trusting research
On 27 February 2008 Susan Shapiro wrote [snip]: Forgive my slightly off post comment. My students are telling me that they don't TRUST research. They have seen so much contradictory research described (They don't read the originals) and their analytical skills are weak. What conclusions are they to draw? Susan, In response to this and in support of your observation, I have had my students in Child Development do some very simple in class exercises and/or out of class assignments. For example, we sponsored a Take Your Child to Work Day on campus and I invited up to 30 children between the ages of 6 and 12 to attend my class. My students then met with those children in small groups and discussed their viewpoints of peer friendships. My students were then required to synthesize this experience into a written assignment. I can't tell you how many students wrote and/or said after the exercise, Gee they said exactly what the book said they would say! Now you might think that was to be expected, but the reaction was so over the top from the students that I had to ask, Do you think we just make things up and put it in the textbooks? Obviously though the student might read and remember what they have read, at some level they just don't really believe itor as you have suggested, trust it. Robin Musselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Associate Professor Lehigh Carbon Community College Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or disclosure of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the original message. Your compliance is appreciated. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[tips] TIPS advert
On 29 Feb 2008 at 5:50, FRANTZ, SUE wrote: TIPSters, If somebody would write up a short description of what TIPS is,the instructions on how tosubscribe (and unsubscribe, and how to search the archive), I would be happy to add the instructions to the map page (http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips ). Volunteers? Good idea. I boldly go: TIPS (Teaching in the Psychological Science) is an lively international e- mail discussion group hosted by Frostburg State University (Maryland, USA) for discussions primarily concerning the teaching of psychology but with wide-ranging discussions on related topics in psychology. It is open to anyone with an interest in such matters. Requests to subscribe or unsubscribe should be directed to B. Southerly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are available at http://www.mail-archive.com/tips%40acsun.frostburg.edu/ Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's Universitye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] TIPS advert
I like it, but I would insert Bill Southerly and between hosted by and Frostburg State. m -- [F]aculty have an obligation to the students collectively to prescribe a required course of study designed specifically for liberal education that is comprehensive, coherent, and rigorous. -- Jerry L. Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:42 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] TIPS advert On 29 Feb 2008 at 5:50, FRANTZ, SUE wrote: TIPSters, If somebody would write up a short description of what TIPS is,the instructions on how tosubscribe (and unsubscribe, and how to search the archive), I would be happy to add the instructions to the map page (http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips ). Volunteers? Good idea. I boldly go: TIPS (Teaching in the Psychological Science) is an lively international e- mail discussion group hosted by Frostburg State University (Maryland, USA) for discussions primarily concerning the teaching of psychology but with wide-ranging discussions on related topics in psychology. It is open to anyone with an interest in such matters. Requests to subscribe or unsubscribe should be directed to B. Southerly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are available at http://www.mail-archive.com/tips%40acsun.frostburg.edu/ Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's Universitye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[tips] TIPS advert 1.1
On 29 Feb 2008 at 8:58, Marc Carter wrote: I like it, but I would insert Bill Southerly and between hosted by and Frostburg State. TIPS (Teaching in the Psychological Science) is an lively international e- mail forum hosted by Bill Southerly and Frostburg State University (Maryland, USA) primarily for discussions concerning the teaching of psychology but with wide-ranging debate on related topics in psychology. It is open to anyone with an interest in such matters. Requests to subscribe or unsubscribe should be directed to B. Southerly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are available at http://www.mail-archive.com/tips%40acsun.frostburg.edu/ [Three discussions in one sentence is a bit much; I've removed two of them] Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's Universitye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] On the map? Got Del.icio.us?
Title: RE: [tips] On the map? Got Del.icio.us? TIPSters, If somebody would write up a short description of what TIPS is,the instructions on how tosubscribe (and unsubscribe, and how to search the archive), I would be happy to add the instructions to the map page (http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips). Volunteers?I've been a member of TIPS forso longprobably because I have no idea how to unsubscribe. =) Sue --Sue Frantz Highline Community College Psychology Des Moines, WA206.878.3710 x3404 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/ --APA Division 2: Society for the Teaching of Psychology http://teachpsych.org/ Office of Teaching Resources in PsychologyAssociate DirectorProject Syllabushttp://teachpsych.org/otrp/syllabi/syllabi.php -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:34 AMTo: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)Subject: Re: [tips] On the map? Got Del.icio.us?On 28 Feb 2008 at 8:35, Bobbie Turniansky wrote: This is slightly depressing - it's very lonely in my corner of the world!Well, hey Bobbie, do something about it! TIPS is hard to find, and I'msure there are many potential joiners out there around the world whodon't know about it. Tell your colleagues how wonderful we are andencourage them to join (and post). That goes for you too, those folks inArgentina, and Portugal, and South Africa, and even truly exotic placeslike Toronto. Why let the You Ess Eh rule, eh?(Note to our esteemed listowner: I used to include a url to the TIPS webpage in my signature file to advertise it. But there is no longer aworking url where people can join.)Shalom.Stephen-Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.Professor of Psychology, EmeritusBishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]2600 College St.Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7Canada--To make changes to your subscription contact:Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---To make changes to your subscription contact:Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] TIPS advert 1.1
I knew I could count on you Stephen. Thank you Marc. Done. Further edits welcome http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ The list of recently recommended websites from TIPS members (with RSS feed option) is new. If anyone thinks they'll use it, I'll leave it there. If you click on the title at the top of the links list, you'll get a list of all the links I've tagged with TIPS -- and you can narrow it down further, say, to just videos mentioned on TIPS. I just started this a couple weeks ago, so all links mentioned in the last 14 years are not there. =) Btw, if someone would like to donate $59.40/year, we can remove the ads from the map. =) Sue -- Sue Frantz Highline Community College PsychologyDes Moines, WA 206.878.3710 x3404[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/ -- APA Division 2: Society for the Teaching of Psychology http://teachpsych.org/ Office of Teaching Resources in Psychology Associate Director Project Syllabus http://teachpsych.org/otrp/syllabi/syllabi.php From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 7:11 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] TIPS advert 1.1 On 29 Feb 2008 at 8:58, Marc Carter wrote: I like it, but I would insert Bill Southerly and between hosted by and Frostburg State. TIPS (Teaching in the Psychological Science) is an lively international e- mail forum hosted by Bill Southerly and Frostburg State University (Maryland, USA) primarily for discussions concerning the teaching of psychology but with wide-ranging debate on related topics in psychology. It is open to anyone with an interest in such matters. Requests to subscribe or unsubscribe should be directed to B. Southerly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are available at http://www.mail-archive.com/tips%40acsun.frostburg.edu/ [Three discussions in one sentence is a bit much; I've removed two of them] Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's Universitye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[tips] Communication in autism
A while back I expressed scepticism concerning a Toronto child with autism who, it was claimed, displayed a highly articulate ability to communicate through a keyboard. Some recent stuff suggests my scepticism may have been unwarranted. See the article in The New York Times (Feb 28) at http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/the-language-of-autism/ Play the video. It's about 8 minutes long. For the first four, we get only a display of her ritualized repetitive motor behaviours. Hang in there. Then we get to what she has to say. Next, check out the article at Wired. There's a link to it in the article or go here: http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-03/ff_autism Taken together, these reports suggest an extraordinary new conception of the nature of autism. Still, I have questions and caveats. -We still need documentation that these individuals were independently diagnosed as autistic, and that their current amazing ability to communicate through autism is produced by them alone, without help (which is what is claimed) -We need to know how common such cases are. Are these people extremely rare individuals, as for example, autistic individuals with extraordinary drawing ability (such as the case of Nadia)? Or is the claim that most or, at least, many, autistic individuals are capable of such communication if given access to a keyboard? I'd certainly like to hear from eminent experts in the field on this development--Ivar Lovaas, for example, and Simon Baron-Cohen. Still, I'm beginning to feel that these claims can no longer be dismissed and deserve a closer look. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] Communication in autism
Something about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary support At 11:17 AM -0600 2/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the nature of autism. Still, I have questions and caveats. -We still need documentation that these individuals were independently diagnosed as autistic, and that their current amazing ability to communicate through autism is produced by them alone, without help (which is what is claimed) -We need to know how common such cases are. Are these people extremely rare individuals, as for example, autistic individuals with extraordinary drawing ability (such as the case of Nadia)? Or is the claim that most or, at least, many, autistic individuals are capable of such communication if given access to a keyboard? I'd certainly like to hear from eminent experts in the field on this development--Ivar Lovaas, for example, and Simon Baron-Cohen. Still, I'm beginning to feel that these claims can no longer be dismissed and deserve a closer look. -- The best argument against Intelligent Design is that fact that people believe in it. * PAUL K. BRANDON[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Dept Minnesota State University * * 23 Armstrong Hall, Mankato, MN 56001 ph 507-389-6217 * * http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/* --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update
I just left from a meeting with the VP for Academic Affairs where I was taken off suspension and now I am allowed to walk on campus again. There was no apology given. However, I did not ask for one. Thank you very much to those of you who wrote letters of support. I believe the letters helped to speed up the process by which I was reinstated. Whether they did or not, I can tell you with certainty that they provided important emotional support at a time that I was feeling quite at sea. Regards, Bill Scott Paul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/08 6:46 PM At 8:55 PM -0600 2/27/08, William Scott wrote: The correspondence below is a thread of TIPs that recently happened. I took part in it as you can read. Based on this actual exchange, and nothing else, I have been suspended from my job (with pay --hooray). My college has decided that I am a possible threat to everyone and I must undergo some evaluation (as yet to be determined - maybe psychiatric, maybe going through all my email, -- who knows). It seems that someone sent a copy of my posting to the president of the college saying that I was making terrorist threats. Is it possible that your IT people are monitoring all email correspondence for suspect contents? It could be automated. I don't know if this was an idiot reading of my post or a friend sending the letter as a prank. Regardless, I have been relieved of my position as a tenured professor of psychology at the College of Wooster untill this is settled. This is real. I am not kidding about this. Originally a member named Michael Sylvester wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U miss the point.The shooter's behavior was due to his not taking his meds-nothing more,nothing less. In response, Christopher Green of York University (where I used to be a faculty member) wrote: Nothing more, nothing less? By that logic, we should immediately jail everyone who stops taking prescribed medications. I think this situation is FAR more complicated than whether one takes drugs. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University In response to this Tim Shearon of Idaho College wrote: Chris- You stopped too soon. Let's develop profiles of those who might stop taking their meds. We could then prevent this from occurring. (removing tongue from cheek for the next few minutes) :) Incidentally I've stopped taking my meds. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to this I wrote: I have stopped taking my meds, too. I was prescribed some prozac a couple of years ago when I reported feeling fatigued to my family medicine doctor. I quit taking it after a month or so because it seemed to make no difference. Last weekend in a discussion of the shootings with some old friends I confessed that I responded to the news by thinking of a list of people I would blow away at my school in a similar way. Catch me if you can. Bill Scott p.s. The point is that, although all of the above is true, I believe it is true for 99.99% of people who have the same story that they will never do such a thing. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- The best argument against intelligent design is that people believe in it. * PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Department507-389-6217 * * 23 Armstrong Hall Minnesota State University, Mankato * *http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/ * --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update
Bill, I'm very glad to hear that the situation has now been resolved. However, I still have to wonder exactly how your TIPS post ended up in the administration's hands. Was it, as someone suggested, a situation where specialized software that is being used at Wooster automatically flagged it down? or perhaps someone from TIPS or from the outside who may have picked up on the post and inadvertently interpreted it out of context, and sent it to the administration? Or, perhaps someone who did so with the intention of causing you harm? I would be more than curious about the circumstances that led to this ugly incident. Miguel -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:33 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update I just left from a meeting with the VP for Academic Affairs where I was taken off suspension and now I am allowed to walk on campus again. There was no apology given. However, I did not ask for one. Thank you very much to those of you who wrote letters of support. I believe the letters helped to speed up the process by which I was reinstated. Whether they did or not, I can tell you with certainty that they provided important emotional support at a time that I was feeling quite at sea. Regards, Bill Scott Paul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/08 6:46 PM At 8:55 PM -0600 2/27/08, William Scott wrote: The correspondence below is a thread of TIPs that recently happened. I took part in it as you can read. Based on this actual exchange, and nothing else, I have been suspended from my job (with pay --hooray). My college has decided that I am a possible threat to everyone and I must undergo some evaluation (as yet to be determined - maybe psychiatric, maybe going through all my email, -- who knows). It seems that someone sent a copy of my posting to the president of the college saying that I was making terrorist threats. Is it possible that your IT people are monitoring all email correspondence for suspect contents? It could be automated. I don't know if this was an idiot reading of my post or a friend sending the letter as a prank. Regardless, I have been relieved of my position as a tenured professor of psychology at the College of Wooster untill this is settled. This is real. I am not kidding about this. Originally a member named Michael Sylvester wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U miss the point.The shooter's behavior was due to his not taking his meds-nothing more,nothing less. In response, Christopher Green of York University (where I used to be a faculty member) wrote: Nothing more, nothing less? By that logic, we should immediately jail everyone who stops taking prescribed medications. I think this situation is FAR more complicated than whether one takes drugs. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University In response to this Tim Shearon of Idaho College wrote: Chris- You stopped too soon. Let's develop profiles of those who might stop taking their meds. We could then prevent this from occurring. (removing tongue from cheek for the next few minutes) :) Incidentally I've stopped taking my meds. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to this I wrote: I have stopped taking my meds, too. I was prescribed some prozac a couple of years ago when I reported feeling fatigued to my family medicine doctor. I quit taking it after a month or so because it seemed to make no difference. Last weekend in a discussion of the shootings with some old friends I confessed that I responded to the news by thinking of a list of people I would blow away at my school in a similar way. Catch me if you can. Bill Scott p.s. The point is that, although all of the above is true, I believe it is true for 99.99% of people who have the same story that they will never do such a thing. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- The best argument against intelligent design is that people believe in it. * PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Department507-389-6217 * * 23 Armstrong Hall Minnesota State University, Mankato * *http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/ * --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update
It was an anonymous letter from someone who signed it a friend of higher education and it sent a copy of my posting and accused me of making terrorist threats. I saw the letter. Miguel Roig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/29/08 2:02 PM Bill, I'm very glad to hear that the situation has now been resolved. However, I still have to wonder exactly how your TIPS post ended up in the administration's hands. Was it, as someone suggested, a situation where specialized software that is being used at Wooster automatically flagged it down? or perhaps someone from TIPS or from the outside who may have picked up on the post and inadvertently interpreted it out of context, and sent it to the administration? Or, perhaps someone who did so with the intention of causing you harm? I would be more than curious about the circumstances that led to this ugly incident. Miguel -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:33 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update I just left from a meeting with the VP for Academic Affairs where I was taken off suspension and now I am allowed to walk on campus again. There was no apology given. However, I did not ask for one. Thank you very much to those of you who wrote letters of support. I believe the letters helped to speed up the process by which I was reinstated. Whether they did or not, I can tell you with certainty that they provided important emotional support at a time that I was feeling quite at sea. Regards, Bill Scott Paul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/08 6:46 PM At 8:55 PM -0600 2/27/08, William Scott wrote: The correspondence below is a thread of TIPs that recently happened. I took part in it as you can read. Based on this actual exchange, and nothing else, I have been suspended from my job (with pay --hooray). My college has decided that I am a possible threat to everyone and I must undergo some evaluation (as yet to be determined - maybe psychiatric, maybe going through all my email, -- who knows). It seems that someone sent a copy of my posting to the president of the college saying that I was making terrorist threats. Is it possible that your IT people are monitoring all email correspondence for suspect contents? It could be automated. I don't know if this was an idiot reading of my post or a friend sending the letter as a prank. Regardless, I have been relieved of my position as a tenured professor of psychology at the College of Wooster untill this is settled. This is real. I am not kidding about this. Originally a member named Michael Sylvester wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U miss the point.The shooter's behavior was due to his not taking his meds-nothing more,nothing less. In response, Christopher Green of York University (where I used to be a faculty member) wrote: Nothing more, nothing less? By that logic, we should immediately jail everyone who stops taking prescribed medications. I think this situation is FAR more complicated than whether one takes drugs. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University In response to this Tim Shearon of Idaho College wrote: Chris- You stopped too soon. Let's develop profiles of those who might stop taking their meds. We could then prevent this from occurring. (removing tongue from cheek for the next few minutes) :) Incidentally I've stopped taking my meds. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to this I wrote: I have stopped taking my meds, too. I was prescribed some prozac a couple of years ago when I reported feeling fatigued to my family medicine doctor. I quit taking it after a month or so because it seemed to make no difference. Last weekend in a discussion of the shootings with some old friends I confessed that I responded to the news by thinking of a list of people I would blow away at my school in a similar way. Catch me if you can. Bill Scott p.s. The point is that, although all of the above is true, I believe it is true for 99.99% of people who have the same story that they will never do such a thing. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- The best argument against intelligent design is that people believe in it. * PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Department507-389-6217 * * 23 Armstrong Hall Minnesota State University, Mankato * *http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/ * --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To
RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update
Bill- That's despicable!! I don't suppose they saved the envelope? If there wasn't one, that's worse! I think this kind of anonymous and cowardly act on a college campus is worse than cheating. In such instances the dean/VP should immediately attempt to identify the cretin(s) and ask for explanation (purely hypothetically, with a large pointy stick; I'd never suggest such a thing in reality). At any rate, I am very happy that you are back!! Tim (the parenthetical remarks above were not made for reasons other than sarcasm toward anyone lurking who might read them and not realize that you, agency or otherwise, are also, purely hypothetically, engaging in a form of harassment/terrorism- am I safe now?) ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 12:19 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update It was an anonymous letter from someone who signed it a friend of higher education and it sent a copy of my posting and accused me of making terrorist threats. I saw the letter. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])winmail.dat
RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - Great news, Bill!
Bill- YEAHH!!! If I were in your shoes, I'd be interested in those questions as well. But for now- GO HAVE A COLD ONE!! Or whatever takes you to your happy place, as it were! I don't want to be suggesting alcohol if you are a friend of Bill! (Guess what my family was like!) I turned myself in to the dean yesterday. ;) For informational purposes only. Basically I asked him was this response necessary (from the schools perspective) if I had sent Bill's email instead of mine (adjacent). Though our dean is an old friend he said, I'd have to do the same thing. (Backside covering moment!). He did say he'd try to make it as, Brief and painless, as possible. We'd look at the context, ask you for an explanation, that kind of thing. At which point I said, Wouldn't it be more reasonable to ask me first? He said, Off the record yes. But no one would. I doubt that makes it feel any better. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike -Original Message- From: Miguel Roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 12:02 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update Bill, I'm very glad to hear that the situation has now been resolved. However, I still have to wonder exactly how your TIPS post ended up in the administration's hands. Was it, as someone suggested, a situation where specialized software that is being used at Wooster automatically flagged it down? or perhaps someone from TIPS or from the outside who may have picked up on the post and inadvertently interpreted it out of context, and sent it to the administration? Or, perhaps someone who did so with the intention of causing you harm? I would be more than curious about the circumstances that led to this ugly incident. Miguel -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:33 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update I just left from a meeting with the VP for Academic Affairs where I was taken off suspension and now I am allowed to walk on campus again. There was no apology given. However, I did not ask for one. Thank you very much to those of you who wrote letters of support. I believe the letters helped to speed up the process by which I was reinstated. Whether they did or not, I can tell you with certainty that they provided important emotional support at a time that I was feeling quite at sea. Regards, Bill Scott Paul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/08 6:46 PM At 8:55 PM -0600 2/27/08, William Scott wrote: The correspondence below is a thread of TIPs that recently happened. I took part in it as you can read. Based on this actual exchange, and nothing else, I have been suspended from my job (with pay --hooray). My college has decided that I am a possible threat to everyone and I must undergo some evaluation (as yet to be determined - maybe psychiatric, maybe going through all my email, -- who knows). It seems that someone sent a copy of my posting to the president of the college saying that I was making terrorist threats. Is it possible that your IT people are monitoring all email correspondence for suspect contents? It could be automated. I don't know if this was an idiot reading of my post or a friend sending the letter as a prank. Regardless, I have been relieved of my position as a tenured professor of psychology at the College of Wooster untill this is settled. This is real. I am not kidding about this. Originally a member named Michael Sylvester wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U miss the point.The shooter's behavior was due to his not taking his meds-nothing more,nothing less. In response, Christopher Green of York University (where I used to be a faculty member) wrote: Nothing more, nothing less? By that logic, we should immediately jail everyone who stops taking prescribed medications. I think this situation is FAR more complicated than whether one takes drugs. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University In response to this Tim Shearon of Idaho College wrote: Chris- You stopped too soon. Let's develop profiles of those who might stop taking their meds. We could then prevent this from occurring. (removing tongue from cheek for the next few minutes) :) Incidentally I've stopped taking my meds. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to this I wrote: I have stopped taking my meds,
RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update
Bill, I still have those aspirin... Jim Jim Matiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003 Moffett Memorial Teaching Excellence Award of the Society for the Teaching of Psychology (Division Two of the American Psychological Association) Using David Myers' texts for AP Psychology? Go to http://bcs.worthpublishers.com/cppsych/ High School Psychology and Advanced Psychology Graphic Organizers, Pacing Guides, and Daily Lesson Plans archived at www.Teaching-Point.net Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:19:27 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update It was an anonymous letter from someone who signed it a friend of higher education and it sent a copy of my posting and accused me of making terrorist threats. I saw the letter.Miguel Roig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/29/08 2:02 PM Bill, I'm very glad to hear that the situation has now been resolved. However, I still have to wonder exactly how your TIPS post ended up in the administration's hands. Was it, as someone suggested, a situation where specialized software that is being used at Wooster automatically flagged it down? or perhaps someone from TIPS or from the outside who may have picked up on the post and inadvertently interpreted it out of context, and sent it to the administration? Or, perhaps someone who did so with the intention of causing you harm? I would be more than curious about the circumstances that led to this ugly incident. Miguel -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:33 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update I just left from a meeting with the VP for Academic Affairs where I was taken off suspension and now I am allowed to walk on campus again. There was no apology given. However, I did not ask for one. Thank you very much to those of you who wrote letters of support. I believe the letters helped to speed up the process by which I was reinstated. Whether they did or not, I can tell you with certainty that they provided important emotional support at a time that I was feeling quite at sea. Regards, Bill ScottPaul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/08 6:46 PM At 8:55 PM -0600 2/27/08, William Scott wrote: The correspondence below is a thread of TIPs that recently happened. I took part in it as you can read. Based on this actual exchange, and nothing else, I have been suspended from my job (with pay --hooray). My college has decided that I am a possible threat to everyone and I must undergo some evaluation (as yet to be determined - maybe psychiatric, maybe going through all my email, -- who knows). It seems that someone sent a copy of my posting to the president of the college saying that I was making terrorist threats. Is it possible that your IT people are monitoring all email correspondence for suspect contents? It could be automated. I don't know if this was an idiot reading of my post or a friend sending the letter as a prank. Regardless, I have been relieved of my position as a tenured professor of psychology at the College of Wooster untill this is settled. This is real. I am not kidding about this. Originally a member named Michael Sylvester wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:U miss the point.The shooter's behavior was due to his not taking his meds-nothing more,nothing less. In response, Christopher Green of York University (where I used to be a faculty member) wrote: Nothing more, nothing less? By that logic, we should immediately jail everyone who stops taking prescribed medications. I think this situation is FAR more complicated than whether one takes drugs. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University In response to this Tim Shearon of Idaho College wrote: Chris- You stopped too soon. Let's develop profiles of those who might stop taking their meds. We could then prevent this from occurring. (removing tongue from cheek for the next few minutes) :) Incidentally I've stopped taking my meds. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to this I wrote: I have stopped taking my meds, too. I was prescribed some prozac a couple of years ago when I reported feeling fatigued to my family medicine doctor. I quit taking it after a month or so because it seemed to make no difference. Last weekend in a discussion of the shootings with some old friends I confessed that I responded to the news by thinking of a list of people I would blow away at my school in a similar way. Catch me if you can. Bill Scott p.s. The point is that, although all of the above is true, I believe it is true for 99.99% of people who have the same story that they will never do such a thing. --- To make changes
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Jim, We should form the bad day club. Bill Jim Matiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/29/08 3:39 PM Bill, I still have those aspirin... Jim Jim Matiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003 Moffett Memorial Teaching Excellence Award of the Society for the Teaching of Psychology (Division Two of the American Psychological Association) Using David Myers' texts for AP Psychology? Go to http://bcs.worthpublishers.com/cppsych/ High School Psychology and Advanced Psychology Graphic Organizers, Pacing Guides, and Daily Lesson Plans archived at www.Teaching-Point.net Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:19:27 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update It was an anonymous letter from someone who signed it a friend of higher education and it sent a copy of my posting and accused me of making terrorist threats. I saw the letter.Miguel Roig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/29/08 2:02 PM Bill, I'm very glad to hear that the situation has now been resolved. However, I still have to wonder exactly how your TIPS post ended up in the administration's hands. Was it, as someone suggested, a situation where specialized software that is being used at Wooster automatically flagged it down? or perhaps someone from TIPS or from the outside who may have picked up on the post and inadvertently interpreted it out of context, and sent it to the administration? Or, perhaps someone who did so with the intention of causing you harm? I would be more than curious about the circumstances that led to this ugly incident. Miguel -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:33 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update I just left from a meeting with the VP for Academic Affairs where I was taken off suspension and now I am allowed to walk on campus again. There was no apology given. However, I did not ask for one. Thank you very much to those of you who wrote letters of support. I believe the letters helped to speed up the process by which I was reinstated. Whether they did or not, I can tell you with certainty that they provided important emotional support at a time that I was feeling quite at sea. Regards, Bill ScottPaul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/08 6:46 PM At 8:55 PM -0600 2/27/08, William Scott wrote: The correspondence below is a thread of TIPs that recently happened. I took part in it as you can read. Based on this actual exchange, and nothing else, I have been suspended from my job (with pay --hooray). My college has decided that I am a possible threat to everyone and I must undergo some evaluation (as yet to be determined - maybe psychiatric, maybe going through all my email, -- who knows). It seems that someone sent a copy of my posting to the president of the college saying that I was making terrorist threats. Is it possible that your IT people are monitoring all email correspondence for suspect contents? It could be automated. I don't know if this was an idiot reading of my post or a friend sending the letter as a prank. Regardless, I have been relieved of my position as a tenured professor of psychology at the College of Wooster untill this is settled. This is real. I am not kidding about this. Originally a member named Michael Sylvester wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:U miss the point.The shooter's behavior was due to his not taking his meds-nothing more,nothing less. In response, Christopher Green of York University (where I used to be a faculty member) wrote: Nothing more, nothing less? By that logic, we should immediately jail everyone who stops taking prescribed medications. I think this situation is FAR more complicated than whether one takes drugs. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University In response to this Tim Shearon of Idaho College wrote: Chris- You stopped too soon. Let's develop profiles of those who might stop taking their meds. We could then prevent this from occurring. (removing tongue from cheek for the next few minutes) :) Incidentally I've stopped taking my meds. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to this I wrote: I have stopped taking my meds, too. I was prescribed some prozac a couple of years ago when I reported feeling fatigued to my family medicine doctor. I quit taking it after a month or so because it seemed to make no difference. Last weekend in a discussion of the shootings with some old friends I confessed that I responded to the news by thinking of a list of people I would blow away at my school in a similar way. Catch me if you can. Bill Scott p.s. The point is that, although all of the above is true, I believe it is true for 99.99%
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Hi? - I think I need help. I don't?want to do anything to make this worse. Maybe I'll join the bad day club if I manage to do that. I had a very enthusiastic and dedicated female student, close to my age, in my Fall 2007 Intro Psych class at Long Beach City. At the end of the term she thanked me (profuselly) and gave me book as a gift (from my Amazon.com wish list). As the book is not an atypical sort of gift from a student, I accepted it graciously. Told her it was a pleasure to work with her and stay in touch (something I say to many students). Since then (late December) she has managed to email me at least 4 or 5 times a week about something (usually a?book or show she thinks I should see). I respond politely - and tersely -to most of her emails. But it has escalated into her sending me an invitation to bet on the Oscars with her for a cup of?coffee, and most recently an invitation to a concert on a Saturday night and also an invitation to be on her Amazon.com Friends list I am now REALLY uncomfortable. I don't want to do ANYTHING else to respond as I don't feel that I encouraged this and it is bordering on creepy - please, please, give me a reality check if I am wrong about this. I don't want to hang out with her or even feel bullied into being involved in a personal friends list at a commerical site. If anyone has ANY suggestions how I can discourage this in a polite and professional way, I would welcome them. I know that perhaps nothing I do that indicates reticience will stop her from being angry/hurt. Again, I don't think?did anything to indicate that I'd be her friend Thanks and if I did anything stupid here...I'll take that kind of?feedback off list. Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College Long Beach CA -Original Message- From: Shearon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:52 am Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update Bill- That's despicable!! I don't suppose they saved the envelope? If there wasn't one, that's worse! I think this kind of anonymous and cowardly act on a college campus is worse than cheating. In such instances the dean/VP should immediately attempt to identify the cretin(s) and ask for explanation (purely hypothetically, with a large pointy stick; I'd never suggest such a thing in reality). At any rate, I am very happy that you are back!! Tim (the parenthetical remarks above were not made for reasons other than sarcasm toward anyone lurking who might read them and not realize that you, agency or otherwise, are also, purely hypothetically, engaging in a form of harassment/terrorism- am I safe now?) ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 12:19 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update It was an anonymous letter from someone who signed it a friend of higher education and it sent a copy of my posting and accused me of making terrorist threats. I saw the letter. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Nancy, I'd suggest: Don't respond AT ALL about ANYTHING, EVER again. Sometimes these extra-needy students are just looking for ANY kind of response. Beth Benoit From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Unwanted student attention Hi - I think I need help. I don't want to do anything to make this worse. Maybe I'll join the bad day club if I manage to do that. I had a very enthusiastic and dedicated female student, close to my age, in my Fall 2007 Intro Psych class at Long Beach City. At the end of the term she thanked me (profuselly) and gave me book as a gift (from my Amazon.com wish list). As the book is not an atypical sort of gift from a student, I accepted it graciously. Told her it was a pleasure to work with her and stay in touch (something I say to many students). Since then (late December) she has managed to email me at least 4 or 5 times a week about something (usually a book or show she thinks I should see). I respond politely - and tersely -to most of her emails. But it has escalated into her sending me an invitation to bet on the Oscars with her for a cup of coffee, and most recently an invitation to a concert on a Saturday night and also an invitation to be on her Amazon.com Friends list I am now REALLY uncomfortable. I don't want to do ANYTHING else to respond as I don't feel that I encouraged this and it is bordering on creepy - please, please, give me a reality check if I am wrong about this. I don't want to hang out with her or even feel bullied into being involved in a personal friends list at a commerical site. If anyone has ANY suggestions how I can discourage this in a polite and professional way, I would welcome them. I know that perhaps nothing I do that indicates reticience will stop her from being angry/hurt. Again, I don't think did anything to indicate that I'd be her friend Thanks and if I did anything stupid here...I'll take that kind of feedback off list. Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College Long Beach CA -Original Message- From: Shearon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:52 am Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update Bill- That's despicable!! I don't suppose they saved the envelope? If there wasn't one, that's worse! I think this kind of anonymous and cowardly act on a college campus is worse than cheating. In such instances the dean/VP should immediately attempt to identify the cretin(s) and ask for explanation (purely hypothetically, with a large pointy stick; I'd never suggest such a thing in reality). At any rate, I am very happy that you are back!! Tim (the parenthetical remarks above were not made for reasons other than sarcasm toward anyone lurking who might read them and not realize that you, agency or otherwise, are also, purely hypothetically, engaging in a form of harassment/terrorism- am I safe now?) ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 12:19 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update It was an anonymous letter from someone who signed it a friend of higher education and it sent a copy of my posting and accused me of making terrorist threats. I saw the letter. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) _ Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM http://download.aim.com/client/aimtoolbar?NCID=aolcmp0030002586 toolbar for your browser. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tipsters Please inform your students who are planning on coming to Daytona Beach for Spring Break,not to attempt to jump from their hotel 14th floor to the swimming pool. Thank you. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida Dang! I hope that this does not apply to the 13th floor also or otherwise I am in trouble. My defense is that it all started out with the quest to find the 13th floor... --- Kenneth M. Steele, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, NC 28608 USA --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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One of the most effective ways to eliminate a behavior is not to pay attention to it and the person.This works perfectly with temper tantrums. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Nancy, I agree with Beth. I don't think you did anything wrong--if you did then I'm guilty of similar behavior. It may take her a while to get the idea, and she may never really get it, but if you don't respond (not even a single word like thanks), she will eventually go away. Carol Carol L. DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 Phone: 563-333-6482 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://web.sau.edu/psychology/psychfaculty/cdevolder.htm The contents of this message are confidential and may not be shared with anyone without permission of the sender. -Original Message- From: beth benoit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 9:09 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Unwanted student attention Nancy, I'd suggest: Don't respond AT ALL about ANYTHING, EVER again. Sometimes these extra-needy students are just looking for ANY kind of response. Beth Benoit From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Unwanted student attention Hi - I think I need help. I don't want to do anything to make this worse. Maybe I'll join the bad day club if I manage to do that. I had a very enthusiastic and dedicated female student, close to my age, in my Fall 2007 Intro Psych class at Long Beach City. At the end of the term she thanked me (profuselly) and gave me book as a gift (from my Amazon.com wish list). As the book is not an atypical sort of gift from a student, I accepted it graciously. Told her it was a pleasure to work with her and stay in touch (something I say to many students). Since then (late December) she has managed to email me at least 4 or 5 times a week about something (usually a book or show she thinks I should see). I respond politely - and tersely -to most of her emails. But it has escalated into her sending me an invitation to bet on the Oscars with her for a cup of coffee, and most recently an invitation to a concert on a Saturday night and also an invitation to be on her Amazon.com Friends list I am now REALLY uncomfortable. I don't want to do ANYTHING else to respond as I don't feel that I encouraged this and it is bordering on creepy - please, please, give me a reality check if I am wrong about this. I don't want to hang out with her or even feel bullied into being involved in a personal friends list at a commerical site. If anyone has ANY suggestions how I can discourage this in a polite and professional way, I would welcome them. I know that perhaps nothing I do that indicates reticience will stop her from being angry/hurt. Again, I don't think did anything to indicate that I'd be her friend Thanks and if I did anything stupid here...I'll take that kind of feedback off list. Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College Long Beach CA -Original Message- From: Shearon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:52 am Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update Bill- That's despicable!! I don't suppose they saved the envelope? If there wasn't one, that's worse! I think this kind of anonymous and cowardly act on a college campus is worse than cheating. In such instances the dean/VP should immediately attempt to identify the cretin(s) and ask for explanation (purely hypothetically, with a large pointy stick; I'd never suggest such a thing in reality). At any rate, I am very happy that you are back!! Tim (the parenthetical remarks above were not made for reasons other than sarcasm toward anyone lurking who might read them and not realize that you, agency or otherwise, are also, purely hypothetically, engaging in a form of harassment/terrorism- am I safe now?) ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 12:19 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update It was an anonymous letter from someone who signed it a friend of higher education and it sent a copy of my posting and accused me of making terrorist threats. I saw the letter. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) _ Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM http://download.aim.com/client/aimtoolbar?NCID=aolcmp0030002586 toolbar for your browser. --- To make changes to
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Nancy- I would add one caveat. I don't think you did anything wrong. You were nice. When that becomes wrong we are all up the proverbial creek. But my addition would be to note that you might discuss this with your security or campus safety officer(s). Perhaps they'd have a good word or idea. I would make it plain that I don't want the student prosecuted or anything but that I'm just asking for advice. That way, if you do need to ask for assistance (unlikely!) they will be up to speed. I suspect this is just a person who is a little needy. Your only recourse as a response to the student would, as you say, likely involve embarrassment and perhaps worse. If you try to be nice, by responding, I think it likely that it will not have the effect you desire. :) Good luck with this one. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike -Original Message- From: DeVolder Carol L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 9:33 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Unwanted student attention Nancy, I agree with Beth. I don't think you did anything wrong--if you did then I'm guilty of similar behavior. It may take her a while to get the idea, and she may never really get it, but if you don't respond (not even a single word like thanks), she will eventually go away. Carol Carol L. DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 Phone: 563-333-6482 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://web.sau.edu/psychology/psychfaculty/cdevolder.htm The contents of this message are confidential and may not be shared with anyone without permission of the sender. -Original Message- From: beth benoit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 9:09 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Unwanted student attention Nancy, I'd suggest: Don't respond AT ALL about ANYTHING, EVER again. Sometimes these extra-needy students are just looking for ANY kind of response. Beth Benoit From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Unwanted student attention Hi - I think I need help. I don't want to do anything to make this worse. Maybe I'll join the bad day club if I manage to do that. I had a very enthusiastic and dedicated female student, close to my age, in my Fall 2007 Intro Psych class at Long Beach City. At the end of the term she thanked me (profuselly) and gave me book as a gift (from my Amazon.com wish list). As the book is not an atypical sort of gift from a student, I accepted it graciously. Told her it was a pleasure to work with her and stay in touch (something I say to many students). Since then (late December) she has managed to email me at least 4 or 5 times a week about something (usually a book or show she thinks I should see). I respond politely - and tersely -to most of her emails. But it has escalated into her sending me an invitation to bet on the Oscars with her for a cup of coffee, and most recently an invitation to a concert on a Saturday night and also an invitation to be on her Amazon.com Friends list I am now REALLY uncomfortable. I don't want to do ANYTHING else to respond as I don't feel that I encouraged this and it is bordering on creepy - please, please, give me a reality check if I am wrong about this. I don't want to hang out with her or even feel bullied into being involved in a personal friends list at a commerical site. If anyone has ANY suggestions how I can discourage this in a polite and professional way, I would welcome them. I know that perhaps nothing I do that indicates reticience will stop her from being angry/hurt. Again, I don't think did anything to indicate that I'd be her friend Thanks and if I did anything stupid here...I'll take that kind of feedback off list. Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College Long Beach CA -Original Message- From: Shearon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:52 am Subject: RE: [tips] this world is getting crazy - update Bill- That's despicable!! I don't suppose they saved the envelope? If there wasn't one, that's worse! I think this kind of anonymous and cowardly act on a college campus is worse than cheating. In such instances the dean/VP should immediately attempt to identify the cretin(s) and ask for explanation (purely hypothetically, with a large pointy stick; I'd never suggest such a thing in
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Based on Bill Scott's experience, retaining all emails and logging each contact would be wise. Discussing it w/security with the caveat of not wanting the student prosecuted should also be in writing, especially with the knee-jerk reaction that Bill recently experienced. Ray Rogoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 29, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Shearon, Tim wrote: Nancy- I would add one caveat. I don't think you did anything wrong. You were nice. When that becomes wrong we are all up the proverbial creek. But my addition would be to note that you might discuss this with your security or campus safety officer(s). Perhaps they'd have a good word or idea. I would make it plain that I don't want the student prosecuted or anything but that I'm just asking for advice. That way, if you do need to ask for assistance (unlikely!) they will be up to speed. I suspect this is just a person who is a little needy. Your only recourse as a response to the student would, as you say, likely involve embarrassment and perhaps worse. If you try to be nice, by responding, I think it likely that it will not have the effect you desire. :) Good luck with this one. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] Unwanted student attention
I wish Ray were wrong (in a nice way). :) But I think he is probably correct about that! Though I don't think the student's actually done anything wrong or actionable, Beth, you probably should follow Ray's advice to make sure it is clear you are only asking for advice. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. - Albert Pike -Original Message- From: Raymond Rogoway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 9:56 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Unwanted student attention Based on Bill Scott's experience, retaining all emails and logging each contact would be wise. Discussing it w/security with the caveat of not wanting the student prosecuted should also be in writing, especially with the knee-jerk reaction that Bill recently experienced. Ray Rogoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])winmail.dat
