RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-14 Thread taylor

And I thought I was infusing some humor into the discussion.no body 
langauge in email to fall back on..

Annette

Quoting David Hogberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Sure I'm sure.  Isn't everybody to tells a f'bulb memory story sure? 
 (That's what makes the FM rersearch so interesting, i.e., how
 dead-certain people are that they saw or heard something in a
 specified
 way in a certain place on a certain day while they were wearing a
 certain outfit, etc.) I suppose that we could even go back and look at
 the Fall Semester, 1963 class schedule book to see if the class
 ordinarily met on Fridays. I don't have such vivid memories of
 learning
 about Lincoln's assassination, though.  DKH 
 
 David K. Hogberg, PhD
 Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
 Albion College, Albion MI 49224
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  517/629-4834
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 13:59 PM 
 David:
 
 Are you SURE?  ;-)
 
 Annette
 
 Quoting David Hogberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  And, FWIW, it occurred on a Friday.  (I was a TA and had just
 finished
  my 2-hr methods lab, which met only on Fridays from 1130-130, when I
  learned of the assassination.)  DKH
  
  David K. Hogberg, PhD
  Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
  Albion College, Albion MI 49224
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  517/629-4834
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 06:33 AM 
  Given that JFK was assassinated in November, it's unlikely anyone
  would
  remember watching or listening to a baseball game. I also suspect
 that
  given
  the assassination was during the week, a football game is also
  unlikely.
   I
  haven't heard of this example before
  
  Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D.
  
  Department of Psychology[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Oswego State University
 (SUNY)http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky
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   -Original Message-
  From:   Charles Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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  Subject:Brooklyn Dodgers  flashbulb memory
  
  I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
  Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:
  
 A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were
  you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
 A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
  I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
  Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
  Angeles in 1957.)
 But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
  still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
   --Charles
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Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread Charles Harris

I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:

   A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were 
you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
   A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
Angeles in 1957.)
   But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
 --Charles
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RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread Gary Klatsky

Given that JFK was assassinated in November, it's unlikely anyone would
remember watching or listening to a baseball game. I also suspect that given
the assassination was during the week, a football game is also unlikely.  I
haven't heard of this example before

Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D.

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From:   Charles Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject:Brooklyn Dodgers  flashbulb memory

I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:

   A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were
you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
   A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
Angeles in 1957.)
   But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
 --Charles
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RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread David Hogberg

And, FWIW, it occurred on a Friday.  (I was a TA and had just finished
my 2-hr methods lab, which met only on Fridays from 1130-130, when I
learned of the assassination.)  DKH

David K. Hogberg, PhD
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
Albion College, Albion MI 49224
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  517/629-4834
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 06:33 AM 
Given that JFK was assassinated in November, it's unlikely anyone would
remember watching or listening to a baseball game. I also suspect that
given
the assassination was during the week, a football game is also unlikely.
 I
haven't heard of this example before

Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D.

Department of Psychology[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oswego State University (SUNY)  http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky
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 -Original Message-
From:   Charles Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Friday, April 12, 2002 2:59 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject:Brooklyn Dodgers  flashbulb memory

I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:

   A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were
you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
   A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
Angeles in 1957.)
   But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
 --Charles
   Charles S. Harris, PhD[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread Beth Benoit

Just a thought...it's about time we find a new name for the concept of
flashbulb memory.  If you don't think so, ask your students how many of
them have ever seen a flashbulb.  On second thought, maybe some of the
younger TIPS members themselves have never seen a flashbulb.

I have a few in my infamous junk drawer.  Think it's time to clean out my
junk drawer??  Maybe I should donate them to the Smithsonian...

Beth Benoit
University System of New Hampshire


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RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread Rod Hetzel

Beth commented:

 Just a thought...it's about time we find a new 
 name for the concept of flashbulb memory.  
 If you don't think so, ask your students how many 
 of them have ever seen a flashbulb.  On second 
 thought, maybe some of the younger TIPS members 
 themselves have never seen a flashbulb.

Very good idea.  We should use technology that the students are more familiar with.  

We could use Excel terminology and call it a Freeze Pane Memory.  

Maybe we could use internet terminology and call it a Cookie Memory.  

Or perhaps just good old VCR terminology and call it a Pause Memory.  If we did this, 
when people experienced flashbacks we could call them Frame Advance memories.

Rod

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RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread taylor

David:

Are you SURE?  ;-)

Annette

Quoting David Hogberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 And, FWIW, it occurred on a Friday.  (I was a TA and had just finished
 my 2-hr methods lab, which met only on Fridays from 1130-130, when I
 learned of the assassination.)  DKH
 
 David K. Hogberg, PhD
 Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
 Albion College, Albion MI 49224
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  517/629-4834
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 06:33 AM 
 Given that JFK was assassinated in November, it's unlikely anyone
 would
 remember watching or listening to a baseball game. I also suspect that
 given
 the assassination was during the week, a football game is also
 unlikely.
  I
 haven't heard of this example before
 
 Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D.
 
 Department of Psychology  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Oswego State University (SUNY)http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky
 7060 State Hwy 104W   Voice: (315) 312-3474
 Oswego, NY 13126   Fax:   (315) 312-6330
 
  -Original Message-
 From: Charles Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:59 AM
 To:   Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
 Subject:  Brooklyn Dodgers  flashbulb memory
 
 I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
 Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:
 
A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were
 you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
 I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
 Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
 Angeles in 1957.)
But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
 still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
  --Charles
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Re: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread taylor

Hi Charles:

Check Ulrich Neisser's book: Memory Observed. In it he reprints the original 
Brown  Kulik paper along with some other ANECDOTAL evidence that perhaps some 
of these are false.

Annette

Quoting Charles Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
 Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:
 
A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were 
 you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
 I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
 Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
 Angeles in 1957.)
But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
 still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
  --Charles
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Re: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread Stephen Black

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 Annette Taylor wrote:

 Check Ulrich Neisser's book: Memory Observed. In it he reprints the original
 Brown  Kulik paper along with some other ANECDOTAL evidence that perhaps some
 of these are false.

 Quoting Charles Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
  Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:
 
 A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were
  you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
 A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
  I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
  Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
  Angeles in 1957.)
 But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
  still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.

I can't resist a quick web search of my own whenever a question
like this comes up, and I think I may have gotten lucky.  It does
involve Neisser, but apparently indirectly.  If this is the
anecdote, it suggests a whole lotta reconstruction goin' on to
arrive at Charles' version. But the source still isn't fully
identified.

My source says:

Neisser's Critique

Neisser's critique of Brown and Kulik's hypothesis revolves
around four issues...For example, in his own account of the
attack on Pearl Harbor, Neisser reported that he was listening to
a baseball game on the radio. This could not be true, however,
because there are no baseball games in December! Interestingly,
Thompson and Cowan discovered serendipitously in an interview
with Red Barber that the two teams playing in the football game
that Neisser had been listening to were the Giants and the
Dodgers.

The reference is Ericsson  Delaney (in press). The url Google
located with this title is no longer there, but the item was
available in the cache. No date, no references.

Anyone recognize that text or Thompson and Cowan?

-Stephen


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RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread Peterson, Douglas

I heard the story several times in graduate school from a couple of my
professors (Charles P. Thompson and Thad Cowan).  But never realized they
published it - Here is the reference.

Cognition. 1986 Mar; Vol 22(2): 199-200.

Doug Peterson
Assistant Professor of Psychology
The University of South Dakota
Vermillion SD 57069


-Original Message-
From: Stephen Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:05 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: Re: Brooklyn Dodgers  flashbulb memory

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 Annette Taylor wrote:

 Check Ulrich Neisser's book: Memory Observed. In it he reprints the
original
 Brown  Kulik paper along with some other ANECDOTAL evidence that perhaps
some
 of these are false.

 Quoting Charles Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
  Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:
 
 A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were
  you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
 A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
  I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
  Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
  Angeles in 1957.)
 But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
  still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.

I can't resist a quick web search of my own whenever a question
like this comes up, and I think I may have gotten lucky.  It does
involve Neisser, but apparently indirectly.  If this is the
anecdote, it suggests a whole lotta reconstruction goin' on to
arrive at Charles' version. But the source still isn't fully
identified.

My source says:

Neisser's Critique

Neisser's critique of Brown and Kulik's hypothesis revolves
around four issues...For example, in his own account of the
attack on Pearl Harbor, Neisser reported that he was listening to
a baseball game on the radio. This could not be true, however,
because there are no baseball games in December! Interestingly,
Thompson and Cowan discovered serendipitously in an interview
with Red Barber that the two teams playing in the football game
that Neisser had been listening to were the Giants and the
Dodgers.

The reference is Ericsson  Delaney (in press). The url Google
located with this title is no longer there, but the item was
available in the cache. No date, no references.

Anyone recognize that text or Thompson and Cowan?

-Stephen


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Department of Psychology  fax: (819) 822-9661
Bishop's Universitye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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J1M 1Z7
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RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread Rod Hetzel

I received this in an email this afternoon.  Thought it was relevant to our recent 
discussions on media and violence for those of you in the Houston area.

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RE: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread David Hogberg

Sure I'm sure.  Isn't everybody to tells a f'bulb memory story sure? 
(That's what makes the FM rersearch so interesting, i.e., how
dead-certain people are that they saw or heard something in a specified
way in a certain place on a certain day while they were wearing a
certain outfit, etc.) I suppose that we could even go back and look at
the Fall Semester, 1963 class schedule book to see if the class
ordinarily met on Fridays. I don't have such vivid memories of learning
about Lincoln's assassination, though.  DKH 

David K. Hogberg, PhD
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
Albion College, Albion MI 49224
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 13:59 PM 
David:

Are you SURE?  ;-)

Annette

Quoting David Hogberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 And, FWIW, it occurred on a Friday.  (I was a TA and had just finished
 my 2-hr methods lab, which met only on Fridays from 1130-130, when I
 learned of the assassination.)  DKH
 
 David K. Hogberg, PhD
 Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
 Albion College, Albion MI 49224
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  517/629-4834
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 06:33 AM 
 Given that JFK was assassinated in November, it's unlikely anyone
 would
 remember watching or listening to a baseball game. I also suspect that
 given
 the assassination was during the week, a football game is also
 unlikely.
  I
 haven't heard of this example before
 
 Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D.
 
 Department of Psychology  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Oswego State University
(SUNY)  http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky
 7060 State Hwy 104W   Voice: (315) 312-3474
 Oswego, NY 13126   Fax:   (315) 312-6330
 
  -Original Message-
 From: Charles Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:59 AM
 To:   Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
 Subject:  Brooklyn Dodgers  flashbulb memory
 
 I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
 Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:
 
A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were
 you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
 I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
 Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
 Angeles in 1957.)
But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
 still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
  --Charles
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Re: Brooklyn Dodgers flashbulb memory

2002-04-12 Thread David Hogberg

Before this thread runs its course, I want to ask people about the
content of my earlier post.  I said (something like) it happened on
Friday because I know my lab section met on Friday and it was after the
lab that I learned about it (the assassination).  Therefore, it was on
Friday.  How much inferential stuff goes into FM? It's almost like
saying that I know I wore blue socks on Friday and I had on blue socks
and, therefore, it was on Friday. I do or did not remember specifically
that it was on a certain day, but that it was on a certain day because
...   Do you see my point?  DKH
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 03:03 AM 
I thought I saw all this on TIPS, but nothing shows up in a search.
Can anyone supply the correct details and source?:

   A classic illustration of flashbulb memories is Where were 
you when you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
   A classic illustration of of a *false* flashbulb memory was
I was at (or listening to a radio broadcast of) a Brooklyn
Dodgers game at Ebbets Field.  (The Dodgers had moved to Los
Angeles in 1957.)
   But then someone pointed out that the Brooklyn Dodgers *were*
still playing in Ebbets Field in 1963--the *football* Dodgers.
 --Charles
   Charles S. Harris, PhD[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   webmaster, The Nurture Assumption website:
  http://home.att.net/~xchar/tna/

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