[tips] Children's Memory For Bedtime Stories

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Palij
Does anyone know of research done on children's memory for
bedtime stories? Especially experimental studies where the
type of story is controlled, the number of times/nights the
story is read is controlled, there are several age groups,
and the child's memory, both short-term and long-term, for
the story is measured?  Refs would be appreciated.

-MIke Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu

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Re:[tips] What If The Government Were To Censor Scientific Research Reports?

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Palij
In my original post to TiPS, I wrote:

|two papers that were submitted to the journal Science that
|the U.S. government wants censored, that is, details removed
|which would prevent others from duplicating the work;

Now, anyone involved in experimental or other types of research
would realize that if you do not have enough information to
replicate someone's research, one cannot know if the results
are "real" (i.e., "replicable") or not.  Historically, omission
of such details has led to an inability to replicate important
findings (e.g., Leo DiCara's work) or to show that published
results are in error (I believe a couple of papers in Psychological
Science were retracted because it was discovered that there were
programming errors that produced the observed results).  Not being able
to replicate a researcher's work because key information is omitted
should be of concern to all scientists.

I also said in that post:

|Now, I can appreciate the government's concerns in the
|case of manufacturing bird flu and making sure that only
|the "right" scientists have access to the details for
|reproducing the virus

So, above I state I understand why the government would want
to prevent details from becoming public as well as making
sure that only the "right" researchers got the details.
Subsequent to my posts, the authors have agreed to keep
certain details out of the published papers and to develop
some mechanism that vets who gets of the details though,
since this apparently has not been done before, it is unclear
what the process should be.  I think that a reasonable person
will see how such a process can be done badly (e.g., the
restricted early access to the Dead Sea Scrolls led to early
interpretations that reflected certain biases; it was not until
copies of the scrolls became easily available that alternate
interpretations were possible).

I ended my post with the following point:

|but one has to wonder if politicians
|might want to apply similar tactics to social/behavioral/psychological
|research and not just to methodological details but including
|certain results and conclusions that may clash with certain
|beliefs.

The point being is that ideology and religion can trump scientific
concerns if the people in charge have sufficient power to impose
their will and researchers and other people are to frightened to
do anything about it.  Onc recent example is provided by the NY Times
here:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/12/07/health/AP-US-MED-Morning-After-Pill.html?_r=3&hp
Another source is clearer in discussing the issues:
http://gizmodo.com/5866053/denying-girls-access-to-morning+after-pill-puts-politics-ahead-of-science

After everything I've said above, I admit to not understanding what
Allen's point is in his earlier posts or his current post (below).

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:16:18 -0800, Allen Esterson wrote:

According to the Independent, "a group of special scientific advisors
to the US Government decided that the details of the two studies into
H5N1 bird flu were too sensitive to be published in full and
recommended redactions to the manuscripts rather than a complete ban on
publication."

 The US NIH expressed their concerns thus:
"While the public health benefits of such research can be important,
certain information obtained through such studies has the potential to
be misused for harmful purposes," the statement says. "These
manuscripts... concluded that the H5N1 virus has greater potential than
previously believed to gain a dangerous capacity to be transmitted
among mammals, including perhaps humans."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/us-tells-scientists-to-censor-flu-research-6279888.html

In other words, the NIH reported that "the US National Science Advisory
Board for Biosecurity, which advises the US Government, recommended
that the scientists and the two journals should omit key details of
experiments. It does not want the publication of all the scientific
methods used in the experiments, nor the genetic sequences of the
mutated H5N1 virus, in order to prevent replication of the research 'by
those who would seek to do harm'."

So the NIH, along with others such as an EU spokesperson, is expressing
reasonable concerns and requesting reasonable measures. They have no
jurisdiction over the journal Nature, to which the relevant paper has
been submitted. To make something potentially sinister out of this
situation seems to me to be somewhat over the top.

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Re:[tips] What If The Government Were To Censor Scientific Research Reports?

2011-12-22 Thread Allen Esterson
According to the Independent, "a group of special scientific advisors 
to the US Government decided that the details of the two studies into 
H5N1 bird flu were too sensitive to be published in full and 
recommended redactions to the manuscripts rather than a complete ban on 
publication."

 The US NIH expressed their concerns thus:
"While the public health benefits of such research can be important, 
certain information obtained through such studies has the potential to 
be misused for harmful purposes," the statement says. "These 
manuscripts... concluded that the H5N1 virus has greater potential than 
previously believed to gain a dangerous capacity to be transmitted 
among mammals, including perhaps humans."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/us-tells-scientists-to-censor-flu-research-6279888.html

In other words, the NIH reported that "the US National Science Advisory 
Board for Biosecurity, which advises the US Government, recommended 
that the scientists and the two journals should omit key details of 
experiments. It does not want the publication of all the scientific 
methods used in the experiments, nor the genetic sequences of the 
mutated H5N1 virus, in order to prevent replication of the research 'by 
those who would seek to do harm'."

So the NIH, along with others such as an EU spokesperson, is expressing 
reasonable concerns and requesting reasonable measures. They have no 
jurisdiction over the journal Nature, to which the relevant paper has 
been submitted. To make something potentially sinister out of this 
situation seems to me to be somewhat over the top.

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
allenester...@compuserve.com
http://www.esterson.org

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Attached Message
From:   Michael Palij 
Subject:Re:What If The Government Were To Censor Scientific Research 
Reports?
Date:   Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:07:10 -0500
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:31:01 -0800, Allen Esterson wrote:
>In the context of the claimed discovery that a mutant and highly
>dangerous strain of avian flu reportedly "fatal in 60 per cent of human
Netherlands science laboratory, Mike Palij asks:
>>How should scientists react to having the U.S. government
>>or any government censor ("redact") published scientific reports?

I note that you did not actually deal with my question.

>In the interests of free speech, I might similarly ask how should
>democrats react to any curtailing of the freedom of an individual to
>shout "fire" in a crowded theatre.

Allen did not provide a citation for the "fire" quote so I don't
know whether he is aware of its original context or its original
wording.  Wikipedia has a brief entry (yadda-yadda) on this saying
which was originally made by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell
Holmes; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater

Quoting from the entry:

|Holmes, writing for a unanimous Court, ruled that it was a violation
|of the Espionage Act of 1917, (amended with the Sedition Act of 1918),
|to distribute flyers opposing the draft during World War I. Holmes
|argued this abridgment of free speech was permissible because it
|presented a "clear and present danger" to the government's recruitment
|efforts for the war. Holmes wrote:
|
|"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect
|a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic."

Note that the original wording is "falsely shouting fire" -- truthfully
shouting that there is a fire is another thing.  It should also be 
noted
that the entry states that Holmes later changed his opinion on whether
distributing flyers posed a "clear and present danger" to the 
government.

I also don't see what connection Allen's comment has to my original
question.

>It is, of course, not only US health authorities who are concerned:
>
>"EU Commissioner John Dalli told journalists he had received assurances
>from Dutch authorities that the virus was secureā€¦ 'One of the issues
>... is to ensure that any information coming from this research is well
>controlled and without sensitive details about mutation being given,'
>he said.
> http://www.asiaone.com/Health/News/Story/A1Story20111213-316022.html

Again, I fail to see Allen's point.  The U.S. has a long history of
funding secret research that has not been open to peer review or public
scrutiny:  see the Wikipedia entry (yadda-yadda) on the Strategic 
Defense
Initiative or better known as the "Star Wars" defense system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

This is the kind of waste of money and effort one gets when one engages
in secret research for the government (and don't get me started on Cold
War efforts on using extrasensory perception against the Russian as
reported in the book "The Men Who Stare at Goats").

Finally, given the level of sophistication and technical capability
to produce bioweapons, does anyone really think that the "enem