Re: [tips] Anybody use a blog or Learning management tool for their class?
Great site Jeff. Really built out with lots of text, images, animations even. Impressive. Wordpress has just about everything except, of course, gradebook and online testing-taking capabilities. What do you do for those needs? Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. wrote: On Oct 18, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Michael Britt wrote: I was wondering if profs are using learning management systems - like blackboard, Sakai, etc. - or whether anyone is using perhaps Wordpress or Blogger for their classes. Any feedback on this would be helpful. I use Wordpress (see signature file below). Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: michael.br...@thepsychfiles.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13405.0125141592fa9ededc665c55d9958f69n=Tl=tipso=21152 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21152-13405.0125141592fa9ededc665c55d9958...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21160 or send a blank email to leave-21160-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix
Hi Michael. As I understand it, APA will not accredit a fully on-line doctoral program, so none of the PhD programs at Phoenix have APA accreditation. If your listener were applying for a job to a traditional institution where both research and teaching are emphasized for a job, this would likely be a deal breaker. I would also expect this person would have fewer (if any) publications coming out of an on-line program, which would also be a big problem. *** Mark A. Casteel, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Penn State York 1031 Edgecomb Avenue York, PA 17403 (717) 771-4028 -Original Message- From: Michael Britt [mailto:mich...@thepsychfiles.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:14 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix One of my listeners is currently getting her BA in psych from UoP and was thinking of going on to getting a Master's and a Ph.D. from there. She's worried about how these degrees from UoP will be looked upon by traditional schools when she goes applying for jobs. I have to admit I might be more than a bit curious as to exactly what classes she took and what field experiences she had as part of the program (especially if it's a clinical position obviously) and of course I'd look carefully at her dissertation to see if it was good quality research. Other thoughts? How would you look upon a candidate with a degree from UoP? Michael Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: ma...@psu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dban=T l=tipso=21161 or send a blank email to leave-21161-13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3...@fsulist.frostburg.edu - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5340 - Release Date: 10/18/12 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21162 or send a blank email to leave-21162-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix
I agree. We have had several applicants with on-line degrees (Ph.D. or Psy.D.). Without even getting into comparison of quality of programs, I have typically not seen any publication or presentation record. If you're applying for an academic position, this is a distinct drawback. == Steven M. Specht, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology Utica College Utica, NY 13502 (315) 792-3171 monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.com == The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Martin Luther King Jr. On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Mark Casteel wrote: Hi Michael. As I understand it, APA will not accredit a fully on-line doctoral program, so none of the PhD programs at Phoenix have APA accreditation. If your listener were applying for a job to a traditional institution where both research and teaching are emphasized for a job, this would likely be a deal breaker. I would also expect this person would have fewer (if any) publications coming out of an on-line program, which would also be a big problem. *** Mark A. Casteel, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Penn State York 1031 Edgecomb Avenue York, PA 17403 (717) 771-4028 -Original Message- From: Michael Britt [mailto:mich...@thepsychfiles.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:14 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix One of my listeners is currently getting her BA in psych from UoP and was thinking of going on to getting a Master's and a Ph.D. from there. She's worried about how these degrees from UoP will be looked upon by traditional schools when she goes applying for jobs. I have to admit I might be more than a bit curious as to exactly what classes she took and what field experiences she had as part of the program (especially if it's a clinical position obviously) and of course I'd look carefully at her dissertation to see if it was good quality research. Other thoughts? How would you look upon a candidate with a degree from UoP? Michael Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: ma...@psu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dban=T l=tipso=21161 or send a blank email to leave-21161-13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3...@fsulist.frostburg.edu - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5340 - Release Date: 10/18/12 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: sspe...@utica.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976336n=Tl=tipso=21162 or send a blank email to leave-21162-13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21169 or send a blank email to leave-21169-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix
We just had a discussion about that when we were hiring. We deemed such a degree (or attempt at a degree) a big detriment to the application. We were also concerned that such a person might advocate for online, for-profit graduate programs to our students. Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office hours: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday 10:30-11:30 http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html From: Steven Specht [mailto:sspe...@utica.edu] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:33 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix I agree. We have had several applicants with on-line degrees (Ph.D. or Psy.D.). Without even getting into comparison of quality of programs, I have typically not seen any publication or presentation record. If you're applying for an academic position, this is a distinct drawback. == Steven M. Specht, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology Utica College Utica, NY 13502 (315) 792-3171 monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.comhttp://monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.com == The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Martin Luther King Jr. On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Mark Casteel wrote: Hi Michael. As I understand it, APA will not accredit a fully on-line doctoral program, so none of the PhD programs at Phoenix have APA accreditation. If your listener were applying for a job to a traditional institution where both research and teaching are emphasized for a job, this would likely be a deal breaker. I would also expect this person would have fewer (if any) publications coming out of an on-line program, which would also be a big problem. *** Mark A. Casteel, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Penn State York 1031 Edgecomb Avenue York, PA 17403 (717) 771-4028 -Original Message- From: Michael Britt [mailto:mich...@thepsychfiles.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@thepsychfiles.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:14 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix One of my listeners is currently getting her BA in psych from UoP and was thinking of going on to getting a Master's and a Ph.D. from there. She's worried about how these degrees from UoP will be looked upon by traditional schools when she goes applying for jobs. I have to admit I might be more than a bit curious as to exactly what classes she took and what field experiences she had as part of the program (especially if it's a clinical position obviously) and of course I'd look carefully at her dissertation to see if it was good quality research. Other thoughts? How would you look upon a candidate with a degree from UoP? Michael Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. mich...@thepsychfiles.commailto:mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: ma...@psu.edumailto:ma...@psu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dban=T l=tipso=21161 or send a blank email to leave-21161-13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21161-13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3...@fsulist.frostburg.edu - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5340 - Release Date: 10/18/12 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: sspe...@utica.edumailto:sspe...@utica.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976336n=Tl=tipso=21162 or send a blank email to leave-21162-13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21162-13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edumailto:helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797fn=Tl=tipso=21169 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21169-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21169-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21170 or send a blank email to leave-21170-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix
As others have said, this issue is popping up in our applicant pools. We had discussions of applicants who had online degrees (not necessarily UoP) and some on the committee argued for rejection on its face because of lack of trust of such degrees while others (myself) argued that you have to look more deeply into the particulars of that person's degree if the person looks otherwise well-qualified, as described below by Michael. I have a relatively unique background in that my wife has a UoP Master's degree in Education. I watched her go through it and learned a lot about UoP that informed my perspective. First, some myth-busting: UoP is not an exclusively online institution, contrary to popular assumption. Nearly all my wife's credits were earned in classroom instruction in Salt Lake City. UoP has classroom buildings all over the country, basically leased office space fitted with classroom facilities. One term in which she was traveling for her employer (eBay) she was out of town and took 2 classes online (online classes were also more expensive than in-person classes, at least at that time). She told me some things that fit what we see in a lot of our undergraduate classes: Some very engaged students who really work the material and try hard (such as my wife) and others who were very willing to simply show up and get credits without much effort and occasionally even be a bit disruptive to the process. Disruptive because one of the main features of UoP courses are (or were at that time) peer learning/study groups. Slackers can be a real problem in any group work and it may be an even worse problem in UoP classes because of what I see as a 'one structure fits all' model such that all classes have the peer study group feature mandated. The students are often in cohorts that take classes together such that the persistence of some slackers can create ongoing issues for a cohort. So, what I learned is if you have a candidate from a for-profit university that gets to the point of the phone interview, you have legitimate basis for asking unique questions about their education, what they learned (rather than the assumptions we often make about what they learned) and about the characteristics of their dissertation work (maybe even ask for a copy of the dissertation). From that you will learn if they were the kind of student we generally expect our prospective faculty to have been. Paul On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Michael Britt wrote: One of my listeners is currently getting her BA in psych from UoP and was thinking of going on to getting a Master's and a Ph.D. from there. She's worried about how these degrees from UoP will be looked upon by traditional schools when she goes applying for jobs. I have to admit I might be more than a bit curious as to exactly what classes she took and what field experiences she had as part of the program (especially if it's a clinical position obviously) and of course I'd look carefully at her dissertation to see if it was good quality research. Other thoughts? How would you look upon a candidate with a degree from UoP? Michael Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003n=Tl=tipso=21161 or send a blank email to leave-21161-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21173 or send a blank email to leave-21173-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix
Another issue that I felt deserved a separate reply: Do we want to in the more traditional educational settings say that degrees from for-profit schools are not allowed for people at state and private non-profit schools. That the philosophy of education is so different between the two systems that the state/non-profit private schools should take care to keep the door closes to candidates with for-profit backgrounds. It is an intriguing issue. On the one hand, you are saying that all individuals who make the choice of a for-profit school are unworthy of teaching at our traditional schools (even though some might end up being outstanding educators/researchers/administrators, etc. That is, aren't we being unfair to individuals if we reject them out of hand because of the name of the school on their degree without investigating the particulars? On the other hand, when we have so many well-qualified candidates who don't have for-profit degrees is it right for us to effectively undermine the sustainability of non-profit/state schools by not hiring people who get their degrees through their (usually) more rigorous and trustable programs? That is, by hiring from schools that resemble us in their model of education don't we ensure the future generations of those schools which we are fairly justified in thinking provide superior education and preparation for supporting the traditional schools of the future? Paul On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Michael Britt wrote: One of my listeners is currently getting her BA in psych from UoP and was thinking of going on to getting a Master's and a Ph.D. from there. She's worried about how these degrees from UoP will be looked upon by traditional schools when she goes applying for jobs. I have to admit I might be more than a bit curious as to exactly what classes she took and what field experiences she had as part of the program (especially if it's a clinical position obviously) and of course I'd look carefully at her dissertation to see if it was good quality research. Other thoughts? How would you look upon a candidate with a degree from UoP? Michael Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003n=Tl=tipso=21161 or send a blank email to leave-21161-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21174 or send a blank email to leave-21174-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation
Isn't 33% a typical spontaneous remission rate? On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Michael Britt wrote: I was just reading an article about TMS. The article, from Science Daily, might make for a good exercise in critical thinking. Most of the article describes how 3 people told an audience at Loyola University how their lives have been transformed by the therapy. Later we learn that, ...treatment reports from 41 TMS treatment centers show that about 33 percent of TMS patients who previously had been treatment-resistant reported their depression had significantly lessened or gone away completely. Doesn't sound like the most rigorous research. Oh yes, and if you're interested in more information, there's a number you can call. So is this a news article or an advertisement? Here's the link to the article: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121015182426.htm Any thoughts on the effectiveness of TMS? Michael Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21176 or send a blank email to leave-21176-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] INSIDE HIGHER ED: Professors and Social Media Use
http://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2012/10/19/professors-and-social-media-use-2012 Professors and Social Media Use, 2012 Friday, October 19, 2012 - 3:00am One-third of faculty use some form of social media as part of their teaching, according to a survey to be released today by Pearson and the Babson Survey Research Group. However, they tend not to do so regularly. Even the most popular form of social media for teaching -- blogs and wikis -- were used more than once per month by fewer than 10 percent of professors in the survey. Video, meanwhile, has become an extremely popular teaching tool. Nearly 90 percent of faculty members in the survey said they use video for teaching. Use of video was fairly consistent across disciplines except for mathematics and computer science, where only 66 percent of professors reported using video to help teach -- an outlier that might come as a surprise to fans of Khan Academy and the major MOOC providers, all of whom rely heavily on video as a medium for teaching math and computer science concepts. Pearson and the Babson Survey Research Group have conducted versions of the survey since 2010. -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21179 or send a blank email to leave-21179-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation
Depending, of course, on the definition of 'treatment resistant'. The time course of effect of the treatment would be relevant here. On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Shearon, Tim wrote: Paul I'd also like to know the answer to that question but I'd change it slightly to, Is 33% a typical spontaneous remission rate among those who are treatment-resistant? Tim Shearon ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor, Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: Paul Brandon [mailto:pkbra...@hickorytech.net] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:32 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation Isn't 33% a typical spontaneous remission rate? Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21181 or send a blank email to leave-21181-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation
All Paul- that is true. As would measures other than self-report. Yes, I suspect this is a much more difficult question to answer than the anecdotes I've seen. I realize that I have not reviewed the literature and it is very far removed from my area. So I would be very interested to hear what the data suggest (and/or some reporting of studies done more carefully as I'm assuming there must be). Should I say hoping, rather than assuming? Is there, perhaps, a good review article etc. that someone could post for those of us regularly teaching Gen Psych? Best on your upcoming weekends! Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor, Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: Paul Brandon [mailto:pkbra...@hickorytech.net] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:53 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation Depending, of course, on the definition of 'treatment resistant'. The time course of effect of the treatment would be relevant here. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21182 or send a blank email to leave-21182-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] AP Classes are a Scam
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21184 or send a blank email to leave-21184-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
I have had AP students not do well in Gen Psych, but some have done well. This author sounds like he is bothered by many aspects of the system, and I have no familiarity with the AP system and how it is being gamed by those involved. I have wondered how a highschool teacher can adequately do a class that is supposed to be college level given the political realities; pressures from officials and parents, time, needed depth, inadequate support, equipment, prep, etc., that is typical of highschoolsand higher highschools called colleges. I will watch for responses from those more acquainted with the issues. G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:02 PM, drnanjo drna...@aol.com wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: peter...@svsu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94bn=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21185 or send a blank email to leave-21185-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
If I recall correctly, they often teach over the course of two high school semesters what we cover over the course of one college semester. That can help with breadth and depth a good bit, not that I think your concerns are unfounded. I think they are quite legitimate. In fact, I grow more concerned about 'early college credit' options that are increasing in high schools. But, that's a bit different than AP. Paul On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Gerald Peterson wrote: I have had AP students not do well in Gen Psych, but some have done well. This author sounds like he is bothered by many aspects of the system, and I have no familiarity with the AP system and how it is being gamed by those involved. I have wondered how a highschool teacher can adequately do a class that is supposed to be college level given the political realities; pressures from officials and parents, time, needed depth, inadequate support, equipment, prep, etc., that is typical of highschoolsand higher highschools called colleges. I will watch for responses from those more acquainted with the issues. G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:02 PM, drnanjo drna...@aol.commailto:drna...@aol.com wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: peter...@svsu.edumailto:peter...@svsu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94bn=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21184-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edumailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003n=Tl=tipso=21185 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21185-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21185-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21186 or send a blank email to leave-21186-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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I'm not at AP-affiliated Tipster (but I have a colleague who is) and I don't see much problem with the AP system as far as giving credit for college classes for high scores. Most high school classes will meet five times a week for an academic hour as opposed to college classes that meet three times a week so there is a lot more time available to cover material and do various other activities (even with the usual HS time wasters). The only part of the program I see as a scam has to do with cases where very low percentages of students taking the AP classes at some schools do not pass the test. That pass rate should be publicized to potential students and their parents. We had a high school AP class in our town (not Psychology) where an extremely low percentage of students in the class passed the test and, as far as I know, the same teacher is still teaching it. That is troubling but it really has nothing to do with the college equivalence granted to students who pass the test at a high level. Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edumailto:rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295 http://bit.ly/DrFroman From: drnanjo [mailto:drna...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: rfro...@jbu.edumailto:rfro...@jbu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5f8an=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21184-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21187 or send a blank email to leave-21187-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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I suspect that there's a lot of variation. Thinking back to the distant past when my kids were in high school, some of the high school math teachers teaching AP math had barely as much math as they were teaching. Remember, a teaching degree in math education can require fewer actual math courses than an undergraduate math minor. On the other hand, one son went on to get a doctorate in math and now grades AP math! But he never took a high school math course (we made other arrangements). On Oct 19, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Rick Froman wrote: I’m not at AP-affiliated Tipster (but I have a colleague who is) and I don’t see much problem with the AP system as far as giving credit for college classes for high scores. Most high school classes will meet five times a week for an academic hour as opposed to college classes that meet three times a week so there is a lot more time available to cover material and do various other activities (even with the usual HS time wasters). The only part of the program I see as a scam has to do with cases where very low percentages of students taking the AP classes at some schools do not pass the test. That pass rate should be publicized to potential students and their parents. We had a high school AP class in our town (not Psychology) where an extremely low percentage of students in the class passed the test and, as far as I know, the same teacher is still teaching it. That is troubling but it really has nothing to do with the college equivalence granted to students who pass the test at a high level. Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295 http://bit.ly/DrFroman From: drnanjo [mailto:drna...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21188 or send a blank email to leave-21188-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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Interesting discussion as we just had a departmental meeting yesterday. We used to give credit for a 3 or higher, but now only give credit for scoring a 5. There's a lot of sentiment among faculty, however, to revisit that decision and maybe not give any credit at all. We're seeing students scoring 5s having all kinds of trouble in our other courses. *** Mark A. Casteel, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Penn State York 1031 Edgecomb Avenue York, PA 17403 (717) 771-4028 From: Paul Brandon [mailto:pkbra...@hickorytech.net] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:46 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam I suspect that there's a lot of variation. Thinking back to the distant past when my kids were in high school, some of the high school math teachers teaching AP math had barely as much math as they were teaching. Remember, a teaching degree in math education can require fewer actual math courses than an undergraduate math minor. On the other hand, one son went on to get a doctorate in math and now grades AP math! But he never took a high school math course (we made other arrangements). On Oct 19, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Rick Froman wrote: I'm not at AP-affiliated Tipster (but I have a colleague who is) and I don't see much problem with the AP system as far as giving credit for college classes for high scores. Most high school classes will meet five times a week for an academic hour as opposed to college classes that meet three times a week so there is a lot more time available to cover material and do various other activities (even with the usual HS time wasters). The only part of the program I see as a scam has to do with cases where very low percentages of students taking the AP classes at some schools do not pass the test. That pass rate should be publicized to potential students and their parents. We had a high school AP class in our town (not Psychology) where an extremely low percentage of students in the class passed the test and, as far as I know, the same teacher is still teaching it. That is troubling but it really has nothing to do with the college equivalence granted to students who pass the test at a high level. Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295 http://bit.ly/DrFroman From: drnanjo [mailto:drna...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/26 3456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: ma...@psu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dba http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dban= Tl=tipso=21188 n=Tl=tipso=21188 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21188-13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3...@fsulist.frostburg.edu _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5341 - Release Date: 10/19/12 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21189 or send a blank email to leave-21189-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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No AP in Canada. And I must say I like it that way. You take college courses in college. High school is an very different kind of institution (we hope) and it is very hard to get students who have never known anything but high school to suddenly start acting like they're in college without any of the collegial context to support it. It's a bit like trying to race on ordinary city streets. Either you drive like everyone else, or someone's bound to get hurt. Chris --- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ = On 2012-10-19, at 4:01 PM, drnanjo wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92n=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21191 or send a blank email to leave-21191-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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Just FWIW, there are at least a couple AP Essay exam readersfrom Canada (who teach here as well) who join the US group every June.DKH On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Christopher Green chri...@yorku.ca wrote: No AP in Canada. And I must say I like it that way. You take college courses in college. High school is an very different kind of institution (we hope) and it is very hard to get students who have never known anything but high school to suddenly start acting like they're in college without any of the collegial context to support it. It's a bit like trying to race on ordinary city streets. Either you drive like everyone else, or someone's bound to get hurt. Chris --- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ = On 2012-10-19, at 4:01 PM, drnanjo wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92n=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dhogb...@albion.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c7628en=Tl=tipso=21191 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21191-13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c76...@fsulist.frostburg.edu -- David K. Hogberg, PhD Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Department of Psychological Science Albion College Albion MI 49224 Tel: 517/629-4834 (Home and mobile) --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21194 or send a blank email to leave-21194-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
