Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-11 Thread Christopher D. Green
Mike Palij wrote:
> So, how can it be that something not be thought of as creative 
> orvaluable at one point in time become seen as immensely creative and 
> of tremendous value at another time? Is being creative and producing 
> creative works something that can be easily recognized and appreciated 
> without knowledge of the values driving the creation of the work and 
> the social context it is being produced in? I don't think so.

Charles Babbage comes immediately to (my) mind. Most people (even among 
scientists and mathematicians) didn't "get" the potential value of his 
Difference Engine (a big mechanical calculator) or Analytical Engine (a 
mechanical computer), but ~150 years later, it was hard to imagine the 
world without (electronic versions of) them. (Of course, the fact that 
he never managed to build either of them didn't help matters.)

Chris
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Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-11 Thread Allen Esterson
Mike Palij wrote:
>Vincent van Gogh is a great example of an artist who's work
>was not thought of too highly during his life but after his death
>his work is seen as being great and influences the work of many 
artists;
>see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Gogh

>So, how can it be that something not be thought of as creative
>or valuable at one point in time become seen as immensely
>creative and of tremendous value at another time?

An interesting question, but I'm not sure Van Gogh is a good example. 
He only began painting ten years before his death at the age of 37 (how 
many painters achieve fame within such a short span of time starting 
 from scratch?), and by biographical accounts it seems that his most 
famous paintings were in the last two or three years of his life. My 
impression is that it is less a case of his paintings "not being 
thought of too highly" than of their simply not being generally known 
to the public until his brother Theo revealed the treasure trove 
Vincent left on his death.

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
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Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...
Mike Palij
Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:55 -0700
On Tue, 11 May 2010 00:56:52 -0700, Michael Smith wrote:
>Well, if there was an AHA! moment, at least we know it originated near
>your right ear...ehsort of.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/08/books/08creative.html

So, which is worse: rank neuroscience research or research on
creativity?

In cognitive psychology courses that I teach, I point out that
the theory and tasks often used in creativity research might be
fun things to do in the lab but are severely lacking in ecological
validity and provide no real insight into what is consider "truly
creative" by a society at any particular time.  Indeed, it is the
artful formulaic social artefacts that are often seen as pleasing,
widely popular, and "creative", especially in popular culture where
"re-imagining" of old franchises in movies like "Star Trek", the
Jason Bourne character, Batman and numerous comic book
characters that constitute a large part of contemporary U.S.
movie making serve as example of "successful acts of creation".
In this sense, "Avatar" trumps "The Hurt Locker" even though the
latter may be seen as more creative artistically ("Avatar" is more
of a technical achievement) but financially lacking in return.
Avatar wins because it made the most money not because it
was the more creative work.

A good example from the movies about creativity in the movies
is Robert Altman's film "The Player" which pokes fun at a number
of Hollywood film convention (including the Hollywood happy
ending) as well as showing in its "film within a film" how an
original story is converted into a "commercially viable" movie
(with the persons with the original idea for the movie becoming
corrupted in the process of producing a successful "product").
Altman was a wise movie-maker and used a number of traditional
conventions from the crime/mystery genre to subvert the film
(e.g., the film has a happy ending but only if one isn't too morally
particular).

Additional examples includes how source materials had to be
changed in order to make movies more successful but less creative.
In the movie "Forrest Gump" there is a particular characterization
of Forrest presented but one that clashes with the character in the
novel who spent time as a wrestler (The Dunce) who wore diapers
in his matches.  Which treatment is more creative?  Which is "safer"?
In the movie "The Natural" Robert Redford plays the ball player
"Roy Hobbes" who astounds in the "feel good" walk-off home run
that wins the National League pennant for the New York Knights.
But read the summary of Bernard Malamud's novel "The Natural"
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Natural
And compare it to the film version here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Natural_%28film%29

It should be clear why the movie version of the "The Natural" would
turn out to be successful but is a less creative work.  Creativity
is truly a difficult concept to pin down because of its dependence on
different values (e.g., artistry, technical prowese, insight, commercial
return, etc.) which will vary across time and places.  Vincent van Gogh
is a great example of an artist who's work was not thought of too
highly during his life but after his death his work is seen as being 
great
and influences the work of many artists; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Gogh

So, how can it be that something not be thought of as creative or
valuable at one point in time become seen as immensely cr

Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-11 Thread Mike Palij
On Tue, 11 May 2010 00:56:52 -0700, Michael Smith wrote:
>Well, if there was an AHA! moment, at least we know it originated near
>your right ear...ehsort of.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/08/books/08creative.html 

So, which is worse: rank neuroscience research or research on
creativity?

In cognitive psychology courses that I teach, I point out that
the theory and tasks often used in creativity research might be 
fun things to do in the lab but are severely lacking in ecological 
validity and provide no real insight into what is consider "truly 
creative" by a society at any particular time.  Indeed, it is the
artful formulaic social artefacts that are often seen as pleasing,
widely popular, and "creative", especially in popular culture where
"re-imagining" of old franchises in movies like "Star Trek", the 
Jason Bourne character, Batman and numerous comic book 
characters that constitute a large part of contemporary U.S.
movie making serve as example of "successful acts of creation".
In this sense, "Avatar" trumps "The Hurt Locker" even though the 
latter may be seen as more creative artistically ("Avatar" is more
of a technical achievement) but financially lacking in return.
Avatar wins because it made the most money not because it
was the more creative work.

A good example from the movies about creativity in the movies
is Robert Altman's film "The Player" which pokes fun at a number
of Hollywood film convention (including the Hollywood happy
ending) as well as showing in its "film within a film" how an
original story is converted into a "commercially viable" movie
(with the persons with the original idea for the movie becoming
corrupted in the process of producing a successful "product").
Altman was a wise movie-maker and used a number of traditional
conventions from the crime/mystery genre to subvert the film
(e.g., the film has a happy ending but only if one isn't too morally
particular).

Additional examples includes how source materials had to be
changed in order to make movies more successful but less creative.
In the movie "Forrest Gump" there is a particular characterization
of Forrest presented but one that clashes with the character in the
novel who spent time as a wrestler (The Dunce) who wore diapers
in his matches.  Which treatment is more creative?  Which is "safer"?
In the movie "The Natural" Robert Redford plays the ball player
"Roy Hobbes" who astounds in the "feel good" walk-off home run
that wins the National League pennant for the New York Knights.
But read the summary of Bernard Malamud's novel "The Natural"
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Natural
And compare it to the film version here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Natural_%28film%29

It should be clear why the movie version of the "The Natural" would
turn out to be successful but is a less creative work.  Creativity
is truly a difficult concept to pin down because of its dependence on
different values (e.g., artistry, technical prowese, insight, commercial
return, etc.) which will vary across time and places.  Vincent van Gogh
is a great example of an artist who's work was not thought of too
highly during his life but after his death his work is seen as being great 
and influences the work of many artists; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Gogh

So, how can it be that something not be thought of as creative or
valuable at one point in time become seen as immensely creative and 
of tremendous value at another time?  Is being creative and producing 
creative works something that can be easily recognized and appreciated
without knowledge of the values driving the creation of the work and the
social context it is being produced in?  I don't think so.  

Creativity is a very slippery concept and perhaps psychological
research on it has only trivialized our understanding of it..

Or not.

-Mike Palij
New York University
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Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-11 Thread Michael Smith
Well, if there was an AHA! moment, at least we know it originated near
your right ear...ehsort of.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/08/books/08creative.html

:-)

--Mike

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Mike Palij  wrote:
> On Mon, 10 May 2010 12:18:19 -0700, Christopher D. Green wrote:
>>Allen is perhaps exempt, given his background, but it seems to me that
>>psychologists complaining about the turgidity of other scholars' prose
>>is a very dangerous game to be play. If anyone is guilty of
>>intentionally making relatively simple ideas seem complicated by giving
>>them inordinately arcane labels in order to render them "scientific," it
>>is psychologists.
>
> Chris paints, I think, with a very wide brush and very broad strokes.
> I hazard that the philosophers come in first when it comes to using
> arcane or even mundane terms in ways that are simply uninterpretable.
> For fun and giggles, see the following student article on the rehabilitated
> Nazi Martin Heidegger; see:
> http://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-f-word/article/2010/4/27/being-nussbaum-butler-academic/
>
> Favorite line:
> |Encountering impossible semantic permutations of the word “being”—capitalized
> |and uncapitalized, infinitive and participle, singular and plural—I took to 
> narrating
> |the most esoteric examples aloud. What else could I do with a phrase like 
> “Being
> |means the Being of beings”?
>
> And how about this conclusion:
> |In the end, beyond elucidating the question of being, Heidegger taught me 
> that
> |all academic disciplines are forms of gibberish—specialized lexicons that 
> must
> |be mastered before they can glean any insights. Each is comical in its own 
> way,
> |whether through overzealous use of the word “being” or too much C++.
>
> Note: the article gets extra point for links to the "Postmodern Generator"
> and the "Bad Writing Contest" websites.
>
>>My personal (anti-)favorite has always been the behaviorists' penchant
>>for using "perseverate" whne they mean simply to repeat or continue.
>
> Ah, come on, stop beating up on the behaviorists.  Everyone knows that
> you have to go to the phenomenologists in order to get authenic gibberish. ;-)
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> m...@nyu.edu
>
>
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Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-10 Thread Mike Palij
On Mon, 10 May 2010 12:18:19 -0700, Christopher D. Green wrote:
>Allen is perhaps exempt, given his background, but it seems to me that 
>psychologists complaining about the turgidity of other scholars' prose 
>is a very dangerous game to be play. If anyone is guilty of 
>intentionally making relatively simple ideas seem complicated by giving 
>them inordinately arcane labels in order to render them "scientific," it 
>is psychologists.

Chris paints, I think, with a very wide brush and very broad strokes.
I hazard that the philosophers come in first when it comes to using
arcane or even mundane terms in ways that are simply uninterpretable.  
For fun and giggles, see the following student article on the rehabilitated
Nazi Martin Heidegger; see:
http://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-f-word/article/2010/4/27/being-nussbaum-butler-academic/
 

Favorite line:
|Encountering impossible semantic permutations of the word “being”—capitalized 
|and uncapitalized, infinitive and participle, singular and plural—I took to 
narrating 
|the most esoteric examples aloud. What else could I do with a phrase like 
“Being 
|means the Being of beings”? 

And how about this conclusion:
|In the end, beyond elucidating the question of being, Heidegger taught me that 
|all academic disciplines are forms of gibberish—specialized lexicons that must 
|be mastered before they can glean any insights. Each is comical in its own 
way, 
|whether through overzealous use of the word “being” or too much C++.

Note: the article gets extra point for links to the "Postmodern Generator"
and the "Bad Writing Contest" websites.

>My personal (anti-)favorite has always been the behaviorists' penchant 
>for using "perseverate" whne they mean simply to repeat or continue.

Ah, come on, stop beating up on the behaviorists.  Everyone knows that
you have to go to the phenomenologists in order to get authenic gibberish. ;-)

-Mike Palij
New York University
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Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-10 Thread Christopher D. Green
Allen is perhaps exempt, given his background, but it seems to me that 
psychologists complaining about the turgidity of other scholars' prose 
is a very dangerous game to be play. If anyone is guilty of 
intentionally making relatively simple ideas seem complicated by giving 
them inordinately arcane labels in order to render them "scientific," it 
is psychologists.

My personal (anti-)favorite has always been the behaviorists' penchant 
for using "perseverate" whne they mean simply to repeat or continue.

Chris
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Christopher D p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 16.0px Times 
New Roman} span.s1 {font: 16.0px Lucida Grande} Christopher D. Green

Department of Psychology
York University
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Allen Esterson wrote:
> On 8 May 2010 Martin Bourgeois wrote re the Postmodern Generator:
>   
>> What I especially love about it is, if my wife had handed one
>> of these in for any of her grad English courses, she would
>> have undoubtedly gotten an A and been encouraged to publish it.
>> In fact, these are much more lucid than some of the
>> postmodernist/deconstructionist stuff she was reading back then.
>> 
>
> For snippets of the real thing, see:
>
> http://denisdutton.com/bad_writing.htm
>
> Allen Esterson
> Former lecturer, Science Department
> Southwark College, London
> allenester...@compuserve.com
> http://www.esterson.org
>
> 
> From: Christopher D. Green [chri...@yorku.ca]
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:56 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...
>
> The Postmoderism Generator has been around for years (I think I have 
> even
> posted to TIPS about it in the past). But I believe it was a spinoff of 
> the
> Kant Generator frm the early 1990s. I hadn't been able to find the Kant 
> version
> for a long while, but someone seems to have reported (a version of) it 
> again:
> http://interconnected.org/home/more/2000/08/kant/
>
> Every time you reload, you get a new one.
>
> Chris
> --
>
> Christopher D. Green
> Department of Psychology
> York University
> Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
> Canada
>
> 416-736-2100 ex. 66164
> chri...@yorku.ca<mailto:chri...@yorku.ca>
> http://www.yorku.ca/christo/
>
> ==
>
> Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote:
>
> This is from one of my all-time favorite Websites - the random 
> postmodernism
> generator hosted (I think, still) by Monash University in Melborune.  
> Scott
>
> P.S.  As Mike P. surely knows, you'll get a different postmodern essay 
> each
> time you click on the link.  Hilarious....
>
> ____
> From: Mike Palij [m...@nyu.edu<mailto:m...@nyu.edu>]
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:56 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Cc: Mike Palij
> Subject: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...
>
> http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
>
> ... or a reasonable facsimile of it.  Who knows, this might
> be useful for courses in cognitive psychology and the psychology
> of language.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> m...@nyu.edu<mailto:m...@nyu.edu>
>
> P.S.  ;-)
>
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Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-10 Thread Allen Esterson
On 8 May 2010 Martin Bourgeois wrote re the Postmodern Generator:
>What I especially love about it is, if my wife had handed one
>of these in for any of her grad English courses, she would
>have undoubtedly gotten an A and been encouraged to publish it.
>In fact, these are much more lucid than some of the
>postmodernist/deconstructionist stuff she was reading back then.

For snippets of the real thing, see:

http://denisdutton.com/bad_writing.htm

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
allenester...@compuserve.com
http://www.esterson.org


From: Christopher D. Green [chri...@yorku.ca]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:56 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

The Postmoderism Generator has been around for years (I think I have 
even
posted to TIPS about it in the past). But I believe it was a spinoff of 
the
Kant Generator frm the early 1990s. I hadn't been able to find the Kant 
version
for a long while, but someone seems to have reported (a version of) it 
again:
http://interconnected.org/home/more/2000/08/kant/

Every time you reload, you get a new one.

Chris
--

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada

416-736-2100 ex. 66164
chri...@yorku.ca<mailto:chri...@yorku.ca>
http://www.yorku.ca/christo/

==

Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote:

This is from one of my all-time favorite Websites - the random 
postmodernism
generator hosted (I think, still) by Monash University in Melborune.  
Scott

P.S.  As Mike P. surely knows, you'll get a different postmodern essay 
each
time you click on the link.  Hilarious


From: Mike Palij [m...@nyu.edu<mailto:m...@nyu.edu>]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:56 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Mike Palij
Subject: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

... or a reasonable facsimile of it.  Who knows, this might
be useful for courses in cognitive psychology and the psychology
of language.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu<mailto:m...@nyu.edu>

P.S.  ;-)



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RE: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-08 Thread Bourgeois, Dr. Martin
What I especially love about it is, if my wife had handed one of these in for 
any of her grad English courses, she would have undoubtedly gotten an A and 
been encouraged to publish it. In fact, these are much more lucid than some of 
the postmodernist/deconstructionist stuff she was reading back then.

From: Christopher D. Green [chri...@yorku.ca]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:56 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...




The Postmoderism Generator has been around for years (I think I have even 
posted to TIPS about it in the past). But I believe it was a spinoff of the 
Kant Generator frm the early 1990s. I hadn't been able to find the Kant version 
for a long while, but someone seems to have reported (a version of) it again: 
http://interconnected.org/home/more/2000/08/kant/

Every time you reload, you get a new one.

Chris
--

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada



416-736-2100 ex. 66164
chri...@yorku.ca<mailto:chri...@yorku.ca>
http://www.yorku.ca/christo/

==


Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote:

This is from one of my all-time favorite Websites - the random postmodernism 
generator hosted (I think, still) by Monash University in Melborune.  Scott

P.S.  As Mike P. surely knows, you'll get a different postmodern essay each 
time you click on the link.  Hilarious


From: Mike Palij [m...@nyu.edu<mailto:m...@nyu.edu>]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:56 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Mike Palij
Subject: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

... or a reasonable facsimile of it.  Who knows, this might
be useful for courses in cognitive psychology and the psychology
of language.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu<mailto:m...@nyu.edu>

P.S.  ;-)



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Re: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-08 Thread Christopher D. Green
The Postmoderism Generator has been around for years (I think I have 
even posted to TIPS about it in the past). But I believe it was a 
spinoff of the Kant Generator frm the early 1990s. I hadn't been able to 
find the Kant version for a long while, but someone seems to have 
reported (a version of) it again: 
http://interconnected.org/home/more/2000/08/kant/

Every time you reload, you get a new one.

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Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote:
> This is from one of my all-time favorite Websites - the random postmodernism 
> generator hosted (I think, still) by Monash University in Melborune.  
> Scott
>
> P.S.  As Mike P. surely knows, you'll get a different postmodern essay each 
> time you click on the link.  Hilarious
>
> 
> From: Mike Palij [m...@nyu.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:56 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Cc: Mike Palij
> Subject: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...
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> http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
>
> ... or a reasonable facsimile of it.  Who knows, this might
> be useful for courses in cognitive psychology and the psychology
> of language.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> m...@nyu.edu
>
> P.S.  ;-)
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RE: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-08 Thread Mike Palij
On Sat, 08 May 2010 09:24:40 -0700, Scott O Lilienfeld wrote:
>This is from one of my all-time favorite Websites - the random 
>postmodernism generator hosted (I think, still) by Monash University 
>in Melborune.  Scott

At the very bottom of the page (which few people might get to) is
the following:

34 queries. 3.197 seconds. || Powered by WordPress || Hosted by DreamHost

So, Monash is apparently no longer hosting it.

>P.S.  As Mike P. surely knows, you'll get a different postmodern essay 
>each time you click on the link.  Hilarious

You gave it away.  I was waiting to see how long it took Tipsters to realize
that the essay was continually changing.  I assumed the "AHA!" experience
would have occurred when people started to talk about the essay they saw
and then realized that they were talking about different essays.

Then again, if they read all the way through to the bottom, they would have
seen the following:

|The essay you have just seen is completely meaningless and was randomly 
|generated by the Postmodernism Generator. To generate another essay, 
|follow this link. If you liked this particular essay and would like to return 
to it, 
|follow this link for a bookmarkable page. 
|...
|This installation of the Generator has delivered 4362078 essays since 
|25/Feb/2000 18:43:09 PST, when it became operational. 

Oh well... ;-)

-Mike Palij
New York University
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From: Mike Palij [m...@nyu.edu]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:56 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Mike Palij
Subject: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/ 

... or a reasonable facsimile of it.  Who knows, this might
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P.S.  ;-)

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RE: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-08 Thread Lilienfeld, Scott O
This is from one of my all-time favorite Websites - the random postmodernism 
generator hosted (I think, still) by Monash University in Melborune.  Scott

P.S.  As Mike P. surely knows, you'll get a different postmodern essay each 
time you click on the link.  Hilarious


From: Mike Palij [m...@nyu.edu]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:56 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Mike Palij
Subject: [tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

... or a reasonable facsimile of it.  Who knows, this might
be useful for courses in cognitive psychology and the psychology
of language.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu

P.S.  ;-)



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[tips] What Academics Are Writing About These Days...

2010-05-08 Thread Mike Palij
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

... or a reasonable facsimile of it.  Who knows, this might
be useful for courses in cognitive psychology and the psychology
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P.S.  ;-)



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