Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
Hey Peter, Your right, it is way more then just htmling the green screen, but in it's most basic form that is one of the things it can do. We had to do several labs at the tech preview I was talking about and I was able to get a bunch of the "cool" HATS features going and I am not a programmer at all. Licensing is not all that bad as well if you already are using WebSphere. For my client we are looking at just what web5250 is doing. Can I get a copy of the latest code and a quick how to set it up? Best regards, +--+ | Richard Houston .^. | | R.L.H. Consulting /V\ | | E-Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/( )\ | | WWW ^^-^^| +--+ On Fri, October 14, 2005 2:37 pm, Pete Helgren wrote: > Richard, > > > HATS and Web5250 are a little different from one another. Web5250 is > more like iSeries Access for Web, which I finally saw at Common last month > in Orlando. Web5250 presents a "green screen" in a browser, pretty much > all. Now, iSeries Access for Web does a heckofalot more than that, but > basically, that is it. > > Screen shot like so: (I can't remember if they will display on the list > or not so I'll try it): > > > > That is really all the Web5250 is. > > > I need to get a live link established and get my website updated to show > where this project is. But, the concept is 5250 in a browser. HATS (I > think) is more "invasive" in the look and feel area. > > Pete > > > > Richard Houston wrote: > > >> Hi all, >> >> >> Just wanted to chiming on this topic. >> >> >> I was at a proof of technologies at IBM here on HATS >> http://www-306.ibm.com/software/webservers/hats/ >> >> >> It basically turns the 5250 screens into pure HTML. The development env >> only works on windows right now which suck for m 400 based client as >> they run Linux on the desktop. Nice this about hats is that there is no >> code changes required on the 400 side. You can customize the layout and >> such as well so it can look nothing like your green screen apps at all. >> Kind of >> cool. >> >> I, personally, would like to see some sort of OSS version out there and >> I >> think this is what web5250 we aiming for. Maybe with enough effort >> web5250 could do the same. Just a thought. >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> +--+ >> | Richard Houston .^. | >> | R.L.H. Consulting /V\ | >> | E-Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/( )\ | >> | WWW ^^-^^| >> +--+ >> >> >> >> On Fri, October 14, 2005 9:48 am, Pete Helgren wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thanks Wim. >>> >>> >>> >>> This sounds "exactly" like what I had in mind a couple of years ago. >>> Seems to me that the "mapping" concept would be fairly >>> straight-forward (probably a lot harder to do than it sounded...) This >>> is very cool and Swing would be a good fit. >>> >>> >>> >>> Have you looked at Java Server Faces at all? I saw a demo of a JSF >>> app that looked very "Swing-like" but was all HTML and mostly a server >>> side implementation. I have been meaning to take a look at it in more >>> detail and see how difficult the coding is. The JSP/Struts/Tiles >>> approach has always been too complex to me and JSF *seemed* to >>> simplify that. I need to take a look at it soon but it might give you >>> a richer-looking UI without the client side hassles of Swing. Mapping >>> to JSF components might be a possibility. I'll look into it when I >>> have a chance to see what you are doing. >>> >>> One other idea I had in the "screen scraping" area was a "static" >>> mapping option that would allow you to actually change the component >>> layout at the client end. Rather than doing the transformation on the >>> fly, you could create "map file" and use that instead. Not sure how >>> to implement that though. >>> >>> Thanks for the information on the code pages and the good news on the >>> code page support in JT400. That should take care of it! >>> >>> Look forward to hearing more about the screen scraper >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete Helgren >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello Pete, great to hear some acitivity from this corner. The screenscraper works for one of our customers and is tailored to their screen layouts. Still have to do some bugfixes for them shortly, so I can send some screenshots on the list to give an idea to what it looks like. We were now discussing internally whether we were going to apply the scraper to our own screens, or build some kind of Swing gui components on top of the stream: a table for a subfile, a label for static text, a textfield for fields etc. The idea is to be able to build swing panels that read and write their data from the screen. The buttons and menu's would call function
Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
Hey all, On the topic of new stuff, we have extended the hotspot external app lunching functions to include customizable prefixes and such. I have attached the code if anyone is interested in checking out out. Maybe if it is useful to other we could get it into cvs? There is a text Thanks and hope things can get rolling again soon. I think the web5250 is a promising project as well. I know we could use it. Also if Kenneth is listing, could you contact me off list. I may have a near future solution for semi permanent access to a 400 for testing tn5250j. We just need to get our new machine partitioned and move the old env to the new machine. Best regards, +--+ | Richard Houston .^. | | R.L.H. Consulting /V\ | | E-Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/( )\ | | WWW ^^-^^| +--+ tn5250jChange.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data
Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
Hi all, Just wanted to chiming on this topic. I was at a proof of technologies at IBM here on HATS http://www-306.ibm.com/software/webservers/hats/ It basically turns the 5250 screens into pure HTML. The development env only works on windows right now which suck for m 400 based client as they run Linux on the desktop. Nice this about hats is that there is no code changes required on the 400 side. You can customize the layout and such as well so it can look nothing like your green screen apps at all. Kind of cool. I, personally, would like to see some sort of OSS version out there and I think this is what web5250 we aiming for. Maybe with enough effort web5250 could do the same. Just a thought. Best regards, +--+ | Richard Houston .^. | | R.L.H. Consulting /V\ | | E-Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/( )\ | | WWW ^^-^^| +--+ On Fri, October 14, 2005 9:48 am, Pete Helgren wrote: > Thanks Wim. > > > This sounds "exactly" like what I had in mind a couple of years ago. > Seems to me that the "mapping" concept would be fairly straight-forward > (probably a lot harder to do than it sounded...) This is very cool and > Swing would be a good fit. > > > Have you looked at Java Server Faces at all? I saw a demo of a JSF app > that looked very "Swing-like" but was all HTML and mostly a server side > implementation. I have been meaning to take a look at it in more detail > and see how difficult the coding is. The JSP/Struts/Tiles approach has > always been too complex to me and JSF *seemed* to simplify that. I need > to take a look at it soon but it might give you a richer-looking UI > without the client side hassles of Swing. Mapping to JSF components might > be a possibility. I'll look into it when I have a chance to see what you > are doing. > > One other idea I had in the "screen scraping" area was a "static" > mapping option that would allow you to actually change the component layout > at the client end. Rather than doing the transformation on the fly, you > could create "map file" and use that instead. Not sure how to implement > that though. > > Thanks for the information on the code pages and the good news on the > code page support in JT400. That should take care of it! > > Look forward to hearing more about the screen scraper > > > Pete Helgren > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> >> Hello Pete, >> >> >> great to hear some acitivity from this corner. >> >> The screenscraper works for one of our customers and is tailored to >> their screen layouts. Still have to do some bugfixes for them shortly, so >> I can send some screenshots on the list to give an idea to what it >> looks like. We were now discussing internally whether we were going to >> apply the scraper to our own screens, or build some kind of Swing gui >> components on top of the stream: a table for a subfile, a label for >> static text, a textfield for fields etc. The idea is to be able to build >> swing panels that read and write their data from the screen. The buttons >> and menu's would call function keys etc to do screen transitions and >> move to the next swing panel. What do you think? For us it is just to be >> able to quickly roll out GUIs until we find the time to reengineer the >> apps in full GUI apps. >> >> The 1200 codepage is provided in JT400. However I can not find the >> 1208. I wonder however if those are supported if they're not in de >> toolbox. Or are the numbers provider here not the AS/400 numberings? >> >> Regards, >> wim >> >> >> >> >> *Pete Helgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* >> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> 14/10/2005 15:41 >> Please respond to >> tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> >> >> To >> TN5250J List >> cc >> >> Subject >> [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Geebeen kinda quiet around here. Must mean we are all gainfully >> employed and busy? >> >> A couple of questions (just to blow the dust of the list!): >> >> >> 1. Wim, a while back you talked about a screenscraper project you were >> involved in that used tn5250j components. Where are you on that? I'd >> love to know what you are doing in that area since I think tn5250j has >> some powerful tools in that would be useful. >> >> 2. Also, in general, how hard is it to add code page support, >> specifically for 1200 and 1208? There was a post in midrange.com from >> someone looking for an emulator that supported those code pages. I >> didn't see it in the list of supported code pages (not in JT400 either). >> I'd like to help this guy out if I could, I just don't know >> how difficult it is to support other code pages. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Pete Helgren >> >> >> P.S. Kenneth are you out there ? How is it going? >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >> Power Architecture Res
Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
Well, not exactly sure how to describe it (although I have it in my head clearly...) And, I'll be the first to admit that I am not fully familiar with the architecture of tn5250j. I am assuming you read a stream and figure out how to translate the fields and values into GUI components. Those components have a given ordinal relationship on the screen (X,Y locations) and then you place the GUI components in place of the text ones. A VERY simple example: Let's say you have screen that has two fields, a static text field and a "text box", like so: This is the text: this is the data So lets say the static text starts at 1,1 and the text box starts at 2,1. Although you are reading a stream, it eventually maps the entire screen to X,Y coordinates and that is how it displays on the screen. You could "save" these ordinal relationships to a file (kind of like SDA does) and then, through a GUI, allow the "designer" to move them to where they want them to go so, as in the above example, although the stream "says": Put static text field (STF1) in position 1,1 and put text box field 1 (TBF1) in positions 2,1, you could use the "saved" re-mapping file to tell the application to actually "paint" the controls to position 5,20 and 7,1 like so This is the text: this is the data So all the "mapping" file would do is to save the original field positions and map them to new places on the screen. A GUI tool that captured the original positions and allowed the "designer" to move them to new positions would be needed to create and save the map file, and a map in memory of the original screen before it is mapped would probably be needed in order to send the data , updated with the changed data values, back to the iSeries in the correct sequence. But this is the general idea. I think the Seagull screenscraper does something like this although I have no experience with that product and don't know the underlying technology at all. Maybe WebFacing is similar. But, conceptually, that is what I have in my head. Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly do you mean with the map file? Pete Helgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/10/2005 16:48 Please respond to tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net To tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net cc Subject Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project Thanks Wim. This sounds "exactly" like what I had in mind a couple of years ago. Seems to me that the "mapping" concept would be fairly straight-forward (probably a lot harder to do than it sounded...) This is very cool and Swing would be a good fit. Have you looked at Java Server Faces at all? I saw a demo of a JSF app that looked very "Swing-like" but was all HTML and mostly a server side implementation. I have been meaning to take a look at it in more detail and see how difficult the coding is. The JSP/Struts/Tiles approach has always been too complex to me and JSF *seemed* to simplify that. I need to take a look at it soon but it might give you a richer-looking UI without the client side hassles of Swing. Mapping to JSF components might be a possibility. I'll look into it when I have a chance to see what you are doing. One other idea I had in the "screen scraping" area was a "static" mapping option that would allow you to actually change the component layout at the client end. Rather than doing the transformation on the fly, you could create "map file" and use that instead. Not sure how to implement that though. Thanks for the information on the code pages and the good news on the code page support in JT400. That should take care of it! Look forward to hearing more about the screen scraper Pete Helgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pete, great to hear some acitivity from this corner. The screenscraper works for one of our customers and is tailored to their screen layouts. Still have to do some bugfixes for them shortly, so I can send some screenshots on the list to give an idea to what it looks like. We were now discussing internally whether we were going to apply the scraper to our own screens, or build some kind of Swing gui components on top
Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
What exactly do you mean with the map file? Pete Helgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/10/2005 16:48 Please respond to tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net To tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net cc Subject Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project Thanks Wim. This sounds "exactly" like what I had in mind a couple of years ago. Seems to me that the "mapping" concept would be fairly straight-forward (probably a lot harder to do than it sounded...) This is very cool and Swing would be a good fit. Have you looked at Java Server Faces at all? I saw a demo of a JSF app that looked very "Swing-like" but was all HTML and mostly a server side implementation. I have been meaning to take a look at it in more detail and see how difficult the coding is. The JSP/Struts/Tiles approach has always been too complex to me and JSF *seemed* to simplify that. I need to take a look at it soon but it might give you a richer-looking UI without the client side hassles of Swing. Mapping to JSF components might be a possibility. I'll look into it when I have a chance to see what you are doing. One other idea I had in the "screen scraping" area was a "static" mapping option that would allow you to actually change the component layout at the client end. Rather than doing the transformation on the fly, you could create "map file" and use that instead. Not sure how to implement that though. Thanks for the information on the code pages and the good news on the code page support in JT400. That should take care of it! Look forward to hearing more about the screen scraper Pete Helgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pete, great to hear some acitivity from this corner. The screenscraper works for one of our customers and is tailored to their screen layouts. Still have to do some bugfixes for them shortly, so I can send some screenshots on the list to give an idea to what it looks like. We were now discussing internally whether we were going to apply the scraper to our own screens, or build some kind of Swing gui components on top of the stream: a table for a subfile, a label for static text, a textfield for fields etc. The idea is to be able to build swing panels that read and write their data from the screen. The buttons and menu's would call function keys etc to do screen transitions and move to the next swing panel. What do you think? For us it is just to be able to quickly roll out GUIs until we find the time to reengineer the apps in full GUI apps. The 1200 codepage is provided in JT400. However I can not find the 1208. I wonder however if those are supported if they're not in de toolbox. Or are the numbers provider here not the AS/400 numberings? Regards, wim Pete Helgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/10/2005 15:41 Please respond to tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net To TN5250J List cc Subject [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project Geebeen kinda quiet around here. Must mean we are all gainfully employed and busy? A couple of questions (just to blow the dust of the list!): 1. Wim, a while back you talked about a screenscraper project you were involved in that used tn5250j components. Where are you on that? I'd love to know what you are doing in that area since I think tn5250j has some powerful tools in that would be useful. 2. Also, in general, how hard is it to add code page support, specifically for 1200 and 1208? There was a post in midrange.com from someone looking for an emulator that supported those code pages. I didn't see it in the list of supported code pages (not in JT400 either). I'd like to help this guy out if I could, I just don't know how difficult it is to support other code pages. Thanks! Pete Helgren P.S. Kenneth are you out there ? How is it going? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Tn5250j-general mailing list Tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tn5250j-general
Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
Thanks Wim. This sounds "exactly" like what I had in mind a couple of years ago. Seems to me that the "mapping" concept would be fairly straight-forward (probably a lot harder to do than it sounded...) This is very cool and Swing would be a good fit. Have you looked at Java Server Faces at all? I saw a demo of a JSF app that looked very "Swing-like" but was all HTML and mostly a server side implementation. I have been meaning to take a look at it in more detail and see how difficult the coding is. The JSP/Struts/Tiles approach has always been too complex to me and JSF *seemed* to simplify that. I need to take a look at it soon but it might give you a richer-looking UI without the client side hassles of Swing. Mapping to JSF components might be a possibility. I'll look into it when I have a chance to see what you are doing. One other idea I had in the "screen scraping" area was a "static" mapping option that would allow you to actually change the component layout at the client end. Rather than doing the transformation on the fly, you could create "map file" and use that instead. Not sure how to implement that though. Thanks for the information on the code pages and the good news on the code page support in JT400. That should take care of it! Look forward to hearing more about the screen scraper Pete Helgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pete, great to hear some acitivity from this corner. The screenscraper works for one of our customers and is tailored to their screen layouts. Still have to do some bugfixes for them shortly, so I can send some screenshots on the list to give an idea to what it looks like. We were now discussing internally whether we were going to apply the scraper to our own screens, or build some kind of Swing gui components on top of the stream: a table for a subfile, a label for static text, a textfield for fields etc. The idea is to be able to build swing panels that read and write their data from the screen. The buttons and menu's would call function keys etc to do screen transitions and move to the next swing panel. What do you think? For us it is just to be able to quickly roll out GUIs until we find the time to reengineer the apps in full GUI apps. The 1200 codepage is provided in JT400. However I can not find the 1208. I wonder however if those are supported if they're not in de toolbox. Or are the numbers provider here not the AS/400 numberings? Regards, wim Pete Helgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/10/2005 15:41 Please respond to tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net To TN5250J List cc Subject [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project Geebeen kinda quiet around here. Must mean we are all gainfully employed and busy? A couple of questions (just to blow the dust of the list!): 1. Wim, a while back you talked about a screenscraper project you were involved in that used tn5250j components. Where are you on that? I'd love to know what you are doing in that area since I think tn5250j has some powerful tools in that would be useful. 2. Also, in general, how hard is it to add code page support, specifically for 1200 and 1208? There was a post in midrange.com from someone looking for an emulator that supported those code pages. I didn't see it in the list of supported code pages (not in JT400 either). I'd like to help this guy out if I could, I just don't know how difficult it is to support other code pages. Thanks! Pete Helgren P.S. Kenneth are you out there ? How is it going? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Tn5250j-general mailing list Tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tn5250j-general
Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
The latest version of JTOpen provides all the codepages from 1200, 1201, 1202 and 1208. So if they install this one into their classpath, the emulator should work!
Re: [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
Hello Pete, great to hear some acitivity from this corner. The screenscraper works for one of our customers and is tailored to their screen layouts. Still have to do some bugfixes for them shortly, so I can send some screenshots on the list to give an idea to what it looks like. We were now discussing internally whether we were going to apply the scraper to our own screens, or build some kind of Swing gui components on top of the stream: a table for a subfile, a label for static text, a textfield for fields etc. The idea is to be able to build swing panels that read and write their data from the screen. The buttons and menu's would call function keys etc to do screen transitions and move to the next swing panel. What do you think? For us it is just to be able to quickly roll out GUIs until we find the time to reengineer the apps in full GUI apps. The 1200 codepage is provided in JT400. However I can not find the 1208. I wonder however if those are supported if they're not in de toolbox. Or are the numbers provider here not the AS/400 numberings? Regards, wim Pete Helgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/10/2005 15:41 Please respond to tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net To TN5250J List cc Subject [Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project Geebeen kinda quiet around here. Must mean we are all gainfully employed and busy? A couple of questions (just to blow the dust of the list!): 1. Wim, a while back you talked about a screenscraper project you were involved in that used tn5250j components. Where are you on that? I'd love to know what you are doing in that area since I think tn5250j has some powerful tools in that would be useful. 2. Also, in general, how hard is it to add code page support, specifically for 1200 and 1208? There was a post in midrange.com from someone looking for an emulator that supported those code pages. I didn't see it in the list of supported code pages (not in JT400 either). I'd like to help this guy out if I could, I just don't know how difficult it is to support other code pages. Thanks! Pete Helgren P.S. Kenneth are you out there ? How is it going? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Tn5250j-general mailing list Tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tn5250j-general
[Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
Geebeen kinda quiet around here. Must mean we are all gainfully employed and busy? A couple of questions (just to blow the dust of the list!): 1. Wim, a while back you talked about a screenscraper project you were involved in that used tn5250j components. Where are you on that? I'd love to know what you are doing in that area since I think tn5250j has some powerful tools in that would be useful. 2. Also, in general, how hard is it to add code page support, specifically for 1200 and 1208? There was a post in midrange.com from someone looking for an emulator that supported those code pages. I didn't see it in the list of supported code pages (not in JT400 either). I'd like to help this guy out if I could, I just don't know how difficult it is to support other code pages. Thanks! Pete Helgren P.S. Kenneth are you out there ? How is it going? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Tn5250j-general mailing list Tn5250j-general@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tn5250j-general
