Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hey Chong, How much daily bandwidth does hosting your tut currently use? If it takes less than 50MB per day you can use SDF to host it. SDF is a non-profit organization promoting Internet education. Basically they have a big cluster of 64-bit servers running NetBSD that they give out shell access to. You can find out more about them here: http://www.freeshell.org http://www.freeshell.org/index.cgi?faq?BASICS?01 Here is the information on bandwidth usage limits: http://sdf.lonestar.org/over Since its a non-profit once you go over quota, users get redirected to the over page rather than the site staying up and you getting billed. I have found it to be a really great deal. An ARPA membership (50MB transfer limit / day) costs $36 (US) and is a one-time fee (can you believe it?). There is no monthly or yearly cost. I have been a member for over a year and have a friend who's been a member for over 10 years... Disclaimer for the paranoid: I am not affiliated with SDF in any way other than having paid my $36. No, I'm not being paid to promote it. No, there are no banner ads or such. Yes, I am still waiting for them to close up shop and "steal" my $36! :-) On the flip-side, I have found their service to be reliable and have my personal website hosted there (that's why I paid the $36). Hope that helps! Adrian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Chong, I think the wiki idea is a great one but have you thought about asking any of the online Java magz or sites about hosting it for you? It seems to me that the more traffic they get, the happier they are. You would have to put up with ads on your tut, of course. I have seen several tutorials / walkthroughs on such sites. Besides the ads, the only problem might be change control since I'm not sure how often they let authors edit articles. Adrian - Original Message - From: "Chong Yu Meng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep > Hi Tim ! > > Tim Funk wrote: > > > The drawback (which is a good drawback!) is the tomcat4 and tomcat5 > > links below contain many files and can easily grow to many more as it > > becomes more comprehensive. > > > Thanks, Tim ! > > > The docs are not FAQ worthy but definitely worth linking to from the FAQ. > > Well, the documents weren't written to be a FAQ, and I think the > structure does not lend itself well to a FAQ. The reason why I wrote it > that way was because a lot of answers in FAQs assume or require a level > of understanding that newbie Tomcat administrators may not possess. > Instead of trying to cover the background and theory behind every > question, I thought a "walk-through" tutorial would be a more effective > way of building up understanding of the product. > > > > > Here is my preference ... > > Copy the content of http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat5/book1.html > > and http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat4/book1.html to the Wiki. > > > > The book (after being copied to wiki) could be linked from the above > > links OR we could create a new link in the FAQ. > > > > This way - anyone may maintain/add/edit the content without needing > > any additional privledges. > > > Actually, I like the Wiki idea, but maybe more along the lines of the > MySQL documentation (http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/index.html), where > users can add sections and comments. This would maintain the "narrative > integrity" while allowing for digressions. > > > I like it when many different people can(and do) write docs. Even if > > 10 people write about the same thing - they may say it in different > > ways, have a different nuance with their writing style, or emphasis a > > particular problem they had which can be helpful to such a diverse > > audience. > > I think we need more people writing docs for Tomcat. Though installation > and basic configuration is covered quite well, and there is a LOT of > stuff out there on Apache connectors, some advanced stuff, like writing > your own realms or JNDI realms, or even the recent discussions about > JNDI datasources are not covered -- or if they are, not adequately. > > > > > Some people may be thinking this is kludgey. Yes it is. But I think > > its an OK tradeoff so we can keep the barrier of documentation > > creation low. > > > Here, here. But I need to say a little something about my documents. The > original document is actually in Docbook format, and I generate the HTML > from that document using docbook utilities. If you want to put it into > the Wiki, you'll need only the HTML (without the masthead), am I right ? > I've never used Wiki before, so I may need help here. > > > > > -- > "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from > religious conviction." > -- Blaise Pascal > ++ > | Pascal Chong | > | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > || > | Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net| > | If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and| > | and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | > ++ > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Three questions: How big is the site? Disk space. How much bandwidth are we talking about? Do you need to keep your URL? Doug - Original Message - From: "Chong Yu Meng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep > Hi all ! > > The amount of traffic I'm getting for my Tomcat tutorial has shot up in > recent days, and though I'm very happy with the response, I'm also more > than a little worried about my bandwidth bill at the end of the month. > Because I am currently unemployed, I'm not sure how long I can keep the > site going before I have to close it down. > > Before you decide, I think it would be fair to warn you that I used to > get about 30,000 hits on my site. Lately, I've been getting more than > 2,000 hits a day! Some of it is for my other stuff, like Firebird and > SecurityFilter, but a massive proportion comes from the Tomcat write-up. > > So, if anyone is willing to give my Tomcat docs a new home, I -- and I'm > sure a lot of Tomcat newbies -- will be grateful. I have a few > conditions though: > > 1. Because I update the documents, sometimes quite frequently, > especially when important new information comes up, I will need a way to > update the documents either online, or through email with the site > maintainers. > 2. Please don't put it on one of those free webhosting sites with plenty > of pop-ups and advertisements. > 3. You cannot charge money for this service. Hey, I don't (didn't ?) > charge anyone to access my site. > > Yoav, do you think the Jakarta group be willing to accept my stuff ? > > Thanks to the many thousands out there who read my docs. Hope they > helped you, in some small way. And if you know of any companies hiring, > tell them about this poor Linux/UNIX sysadmin and Java programmer in > Southeast Asia who'd make a good Tomcat administrator and give him a job. > > -- > "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from > religious conviction." > -- Blaise Pascal > ++ > | Pascal Chong | > | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > || > | Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net| > | If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and| > | and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | > ++ > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
I should have clarified minimal docs that cover TC5 and IIS 5. Most of what I found references TC4 and those that related to TC5 were for IIS 6. As for the Wiki... where I looked there were only two links and when I tried to create a new one for TC5 and IIS 5 I couldn't get it to generate it correctly -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:38 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep Hi, >I've noticed that there is next to no documentation that covers TC5 and IIS Google: there are many hits including a bunch of how-to's and tutorials. >I've never used a Wiki and having looked at it I have no idea how to go >about that. It doesn't get much more trivial than posting to a wiki: paste your text into a textbox, hit save. ;) Afterwards you may want to pretty it up a bit with wiki-specific layout instructions, but that's entirely optional. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi, >I've noticed that there is next to no documentation that covers TC5 and IIS Google: there are many hits including a bunch of how-to's and tutorials. >I've never used a Wiki and having looked at it I have no idea how to go >about that. It doesn't get much more trivial than posting to a wiki: paste your text into a textbox, hit save. ;) Afterwards you may want to pretty it up a bit with wiki-specific layout instructions, but that's entirely optional. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi, >Wiki has its pros and cons. And different flavors of Wiki are more advanced >in the their formatting capabilitites than others. You might be able to >post >straight HTML, but usually Wiki's don't like that. > >TextFormattingRules: http://www.usemod.com/cgi- >bin/wiki.pl?TextFormattingRules All new docs would go in the MoinMoin wiki (http://wiki.apache.org), not the UseMod one. In fact we need to move all our UseMod content to the MoinMoin wiki as that will be a demand from the infrastructure team soon. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Chong Yu Meng wrote: The docs are not FAQ worthy but definitely worth linking to from the FAQ. Well, the documents weren't written to be a FAQ, and I think the structure does not lend itself well to a FAQ. The reason why I wrote it that way was because a lot of answers in FAQs assume or require a level of understanding that newbie Tomcat administrators may not possess. Instead of trying to cover the background and theory behind every question, I thought a "walk-through" tutorial would be a more effective way of building up understanding of the product. 100% Agree - Many times people go to any FAQ before using a product. Catching the newbies is the goal of linking from the FAQ. (That is, getting them to a tutorial like document) Some people may be thinking this is kludgey. Yes it is. But I think its an OK tradeoff so we can keep the barrier of documentation creation low. Here, here. But I need to say a little something about my documents. The original document is actually in Docbook format, and I generate the HTML from that document using docbook utilities. If you want to put it into the Wiki, you'll need only the HTML (without the masthead), am I right ? I've never used Wiki before, so I may need help here. Wiki has its pros and cons. And different flavors of Wiki are more advanced in the their formatting capabilitites than others. You might be able to post straight HTML, but usually Wiki's don't like that. TextFormattingRules: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TextFormattingRules -Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Ref the Wiki I just went through two painful weeks of trying to get TomCat 5 configured with IIS 5 and finally have things working. I've noticed that there is next to no documentation that covers TC5 and IIS 5 so I have documented the steps I took to get things to work. I asked where I should put my doc and it was suggested that it go in the Wiki I've never used a Wiki and having looked at it I have no idea how to go about that. I'm waiting for feedback from the person who helped me resolve the configuration issue because I want to give them credit for helping resolve it. Once I've addressed that issue I plan to post the document on my web site as well -Dave -Original Message- From: Chong Yu Meng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:20 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep Hi Tim ! Tim Funk wrote: > The drawback (which is a good drawback!) is the tomcat4 and tomcat5 > links below contain many files and can easily grow to many more as it > becomes more comprehensive. > Thanks, Tim ! > The docs are not FAQ worthy but definitely worth linking to from the FAQ. Well, the documents weren't written to be a FAQ, and I think the structure does not lend itself well to a FAQ. The reason why I wrote it that way was because a lot of answers in FAQs assume or require a level of understanding that newbie Tomcat administrators may not possess. Instead of trying to cover the background and theory behind every question, I thought a "walk-through" tutorial would be a more effective way of building up understanding of the product. > > Here is my preference ... > Copy the content of http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat5/book1.html > and http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat4/book1.html to the Wiki. > > The book (after being copied to wiki) could be linked from the above > links OR we could create a new link in the FAQ. > > This way - anyone may maintain/add/edit the content without needing > any additional privledges. > Actually, I like the Wiki idea, but maybe more along the lines of the MySQL documentation (http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/index.html), where users can add sections and comments. This would maintain the "narrative integrity" while allowing for digressions. > I like it when many different people can(and do) write docs. Even if > 10 people write about the same thing - they may say it in different > ways, have a different nuance with their writing style, or emphasis a > particular problem they had which can be helpful to such a diverse > audience. I think we need more people writing docs for Tomcat. Though installation and basic configuration is covered quite well, and there is a LOT of stuff out there on Apache connectors, some advanced stuff, like writing your own realms or JNDI realms, or even the recent discussions about JNDI datasources are not covered -- or if they are, not adequately. > > Some people may be thinking this is kludgey. Yes it is. But I think > its an OK tradeoff so we can keep the barrier of documentation > creation low. > Here, here. But I need to say a little something about my documents. The original document is actually in Docbook format, and I generate the HTML from that document using docbook utilities. If you want to put it into the Wiki, you'll need only the HTML (without the masthead), am I right ? I've never used Wiki before, so I may need help here. > -- "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal ++ | Pascal Chong | | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net| | If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and| | and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi, >I think we need more people writing docs for Tomcat. Though installation >and basic configuration is covered quite well, and there is a LOT of >stuff out there on Apache connectors, some advanced stuff, like writing >your own realms or JNDI realms, or even the recent discussions about >JNDI datasources are not covered -- or if they are, not adequately. Contributions are always gladly reviewed and nearly universally accepted (plus credits are always retained). >Here, here. But I need to say a little something about my documents. The >original document is actually in Docbook format, and I generate the HTML >from that document using docbook utilities. If you want to put it into >the Wiki, you'll need only the HTML (without the masthead), am I right ? >I've never used Wiki before, so I may need help here. Wiki will take HTML plus a few wiki-specific commands. You can see the help at http://wiki.apache.org/general if you'd like more information. Wiki doesn't automatically work with DocBook format. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi Tim ! Tim Funk wrote: The drawback (which is a good drawback!) is the tomcat4 and tomcat5 links below contain many files and can easily grow to many more as it becomes more comprehensive. Thanks, Tim ! The docs are not FAQ worthy but definitely worth linking to from the FAQ. Well, the documents weren't written to be a FAQ, and I think the structure does not lend itself well to a FAQ. The reason why I wrote it that way was because a lot of answers in FAQs assume or require a level of understanding that newbie Tomcat administrators may not possess. Instead of trying to cover the background and theory behind every question, I thought a "walk-through" tutorial would be a more effective way of building up understanding of the product. Here is my preference ... Copy the content of http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat5/book1.html and http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat4/book1.html to the Wiki. The book (after being copied to wiki) could be linked from the above links OR we could create a new link in the FAQ. This way - anyone may maintain/add/edit the content without needing any additional privledges. Actually, I like the Wiki idea, but maybe more along the lines of the MySQL documentation (http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/index.html), where users can add sections and comments. This would maintain the "narrative integrity" while allowing for digressions. I like it when many different people can(and do) write docs. Even if 10 people write about the same thing - they may say it in different ways, have a different nuance with their writing style, or emphasis a particular problem they had which can be helpful to such a diverse audience. I think we need more people writing docs for Tomcat. Though installation and basic configuration is covered quite well, and there is a LOT of stuff out there on Apache connectors, some advanced stuff, like writing your own realms or JNDI realms, or even the recent discussions about JNDI datasources are not covered -- or if they are, not adequately. Some people may be thinking this is kludgey. Yes it is. But I think its an OK tradeoff so we can keep the barrier of documentation creation low. Here, here. But I need to say a little something about my documents. The original document is actually in Docbook format, and I generate the HTML from that document using docbook utilities. If you want to put it into the Wiki, you'll need only the HTML (without the masthead), am I right ? I've never used Wiki before, so I may need help here. -- "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal ++ | Pascal Chong | | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net| | If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and| | and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi, I'll ask on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see if someone knows there. I wouldn't want to lose stuff posted on the wiki if someone is a bit careless when editing. Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics >-Original Message- >From: Tim Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:15 PM >To: Tomcat Users List >Subject: Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep > >Don't know. (I guess it might be nice to take snapshots occasionally.) > >-Tim > >Shapira, Yoav wrote: >> >> BTW, do we backup the wiki every now and then? >> > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Don't know. (I guess it might be nice to take snapshots occasionally.) -Tim Shapira, Yoav wrote: BTW, do we backup the wiki every now and then? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi, >Here is my preference ... >Copy the content of http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat5/book1.html and >http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat4/book1.html to the Wiki. > >The FAQ does already links to these 2 documents: >http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Tomcat/Links and >http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Tomcat/Howto > >The book (after being copied to wiki) could be linked from the above links >OR we could create a new link in the FAQ. > >This way - anyone may maintain/add/edit the content without needing any >additional privledges. I like it. If it's OK with Senor Chong, it's fine with me. BTW, do we backup the wiki every now and then? Yoav This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
The drawback (which is a good drawback!) is the tomcat4 and tomcat5 links below contain many files and can easily grow to many more as it becomes more comprehensive. ( http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat5/book1.html and http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat4/book1.html ) The docs are not FAQ worthy but definitely worth linking to from the FAQ. Here is my preference ... Copy the content of http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat5/book1.html and http://cymulacrum.net/writings/tomcat4/book1.html to the Wiki. The FAQ does already links to these 2 documents: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Tomcat/Links and http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Tomcat/Howto The book (after being copied to wiki) could be linked from the above links OR we could create a new link in the FAQ. This way - anyone may maintain/add/edit the content without needing any additional privledges. I like it when many different people can(and do) write docs. Even if 10 people write about the same thing - they may say it in different ways, have a different nuance with their writing style, or emphasis a particular problem they had which can be helpful to such a diverse audience. Some people may be thinking this is kludgey. Yes it is. But I think its an OK tradeoff so we can keep the barrier of documentation creation low. [My opinion of all of this might change in 10 minutes.] -Tim Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, My one remaining concern is future maintenance of the documents: what we host we have to maintain. It's enough work maintaining the tomcat documentation current as it is right now. But maybe if we place your documentation as part of the FAQ (e.g. here: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq/unix.html), then it's not as big a deal. Tim? Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics -Original Message- From: Chong Yu Meng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:32 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep Hi Yoav ! Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Technically, we can host this on jakarta.apache.org/tomcat. The network traffic numbers you quote would be a tiny fraction of what our servers receive. However: - You won't have direct write access to the docs: you'll have to send a message to tomcat-dev. Someone (most likely me ;)) would read and apply your changes ASAP, but it will sometimes take a day or two. No problems here ! - Technically speaking, you give up ownership of the docs and they become property of the ASF. Of course your credits remain (e.g. the "Prepared By Pascal Chong" line with a link to your email address) as they are, but things like links to your resume are dropped ;). I have no issue with this also. Anyway, my resume has become a liability in my local context, because I get rejection letters that say I'm over-qualified. ;) - We usually don't do this. We're happy to add links to external resources (for example, I also help with log4j's doc page, http://logging.apache.org/log4j/docs/documentation.html, which has numerous links to external articles). I'll be happy to add an external resources page, and link to your site. That way we avoid the above two issues. I can't afford to keep my site running, if the traffic continues to trend upwards. And I understand that this is rather unorthodox, so I really appreciate your effort ! - In the cases where we have done this (e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-3.3-doc/tomcat-iis-howto.html) , it's one simple page. Your docs are much more complex in structure, content, and style. They really deserve to be their own website ;) Thanks Yoav ! Because of my early problems (oops -- learning curve) with Tomcat, I thought that a tutorial was something that newbies would appreciate. That's why I structured my document the way I did. I realize that actually works against me right now. But I really appreciate your quick response on this! Thanks for your thoughts ! And I will wait for others to respond on this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi, My one remaining concern is future maintenance of the documents: what we host we have to maintain. It's enough work maintaining the tomcat documentation current as it is right now. But maybe if we place your documentation as part of the FAQ (e.g. here: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq/unix.html), then it's not as big a deal. Tim? Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics >-Original Message- >From: Chong Yu Meng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:32 AM >To: Tomcat Users List >Subject: Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep > >Hi Yoav ! > >Shapira, Yoav wrote: > >>Hi, >>Technically, we can host this on jakarta.apache.org/tomcat. The network >>traffic numbers you quote would be a tiny fraction of what our servers >>receive. However: >> >>- You won't have direct write access to the docs: you'll have to send a >>message to tomcat-dev. Someone (most likely me ;)) would read and apply >>your changes ASAP, but it will sometimes take a day or two. >> >> >> >No problems here ! > >>- Technically speaking, you give up ownership of the docs and they >>become property of the ASF. Of course your credits remain (e.g. the >>"Prepared By Pascal Chong" line with a link to your email address) as >>they are, but things like links to your resume are dropped ;). >> >> >> >I have no issue with this also. Anyway, my resume has become a liability >in my local context, because I get rejection letters that say I'm >over-qualified. ;) > >>- We usually don't do this. We're happy to add links to external >>resources (for example, I also help with log4j's doc page, >>http://logging.apache.org/log4j/docs/documentation.html, which has >>numerous links to external articles). I'll be happy to add an external >>resources page, and link to your site. That way we avoid the above two >>issues. >> >> >I can't afford to keep my site running, if the traffic continues to >trend upwards. And I understand that this is rather unorthodox, so I >really appreciate your effort ! > >>- In the cases where we have done this (e.g. >>http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-3.3-doc/tomcat-iis-howto.html) , >>it's one simple page. Your docs are much more complex in structure, >>content, and style. They really deserve to be their own website ;) >> >> >> >Thanks Yoav ! Because of my early problems (oops -- learning curve) with >Tomcat, I thought that a tutorial was something that newbies would >appreciate. That's why I structured my document the way I did. I realize >that actually works against me right now. But I really appreciate your >quick response on this! Thanks for your thoughts ! And I will wait for >others to respond on this. > >-- >"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from >religious conviction." > -- Blaise Pascal >++ >| Pascal Chong | >| email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >|| >| Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net| >| If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and| >| and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | >++ > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi Yoav ! Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Technically, we can host this on jakarta.apache.org/tomcat. The network traffic numbers you quote would be a tiny fraction of what our servers receive. However: - You won't have direct write access to the docs: you'll have to send a message to tomcat-dev. Someone (most likely me ;)) would read and apply your changes ASAP, but it will sometimes take a day or two. No problems here ! - Technically speaking, you give up ownership of the docs and they become property of the ASF. Of course your credits remain (e.g. the "Prepared By Pascal Chong" line with a link to your email address) as they are, but things like links to your resume are dropped ;). I have no issue with this also. Anyway, my resume has become a liability in my local context, because I get rejection letters that say I'm over-qualified. ;) - We usually don't do this. We're happy to add links to external resources (for example, I also help with log4j's doc page, http://logging.apache.org/log4j/docs/documentation.html, which has numerous links to external articles). I'll be happy to add an external resources page, and link to your site. That way we avoid the above two issues. I can't afford to keep my site running, if the traffic continues to trend upwards. And I understand that this is rather unorthodox, so I really appreciate your effort ! - In the cases where we have done this (e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-3.3-doc/tomcat-iis-howto.html), it's one simple page. Your docs are much more complex in structure, content, and style. They really deserve to be their own website ;) Thanks Yoav ! Because of my early problems (oops -- learning curve) with Tomcat, I thought that a tutorial was something that newbies would appreciate. That's why I structured my document the way I did. I realize that actually works against me right now. But I really appreciate your quick response on this! Thanks for your thoughts ! And I will wait for others to respond on this. -- "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal ++ | Pascal Chong | | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net| | If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and| | and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
Hi, Technically, we can host this on jakarta.apache.org/tomcat. The network traffic numbers you quote would be a tiny fraction of what our servers receive. However: - You won't have direct write access to the docs: you'll have to send a message to tomcat-dev. Someone (most likely me ;)) would read and apply your changes ASAP, but it will sometimes take a day or two. - Technically speaking, you give up ownership of the docs and they become property of the ASF. Of course your credits remain (e.g. the "Prepared By Pascal Chong" line with a link to your email address) as they are, but things like links to your resume are dropped ;). - We usually don't do this. We're happy to add links to external resources (for example, I also help with log4j's doc page, http://logging.apache.org/log4j/docs/documentation.html, which has numerous links to external articles). I'll be happy to add an external resources page, and link to your site. That way we avoid the above two issues. - In the cases where we have done this (e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-3.3-doc/tomcat-iis-howto.html), it's one simple page. Your docs are much more complex in structure, content, and style. They really deserve to be their own website ;) So I don't know. Let's see if other people have an opinion. Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics >-Original Message- >From: Chong Yu Meng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:36 AM >To: Tomcat Users List >Subject: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep > >Hi all ! > >The amount of traffic I'm getting for my Tomcat tutorial has shot up in >recent days, and though I'm very happy with the response, I'm also more >than a little worried about my bandwidth bill at the end of the month. >Because I am currently unemployed, I'm not sure how long I can keep the >site going before I have to close it down. > >Before you decide, I think it would be fair to warn you that I used to >get about 30,000 hits on my site. Lately, I've been getting more than >2,000 hits a day! Some of it is for my other stuff, like Firebird and >SecurityFilter, but a massive proportion comes from the Tomcat write-up. > >So, if anyone is willing to give my Tomcat docs a new home, I -- and I'm >sure a lot of Tomcat newbies -- will be grateful. I have a few >conditions though: > >1. Because I update the documents, sometimes quite frequently, >especially when important new information comes up, I will need a way to >update the documents either online, or through email with the site >maintainers. >2. Please don't put it on one of those free webhosting sites with plenty >of pop-ups and advertisements. >3. You cannot charge money for this service. Hey, I don't (didn't ?) >charge anyone to access my site. > >Yoav, do you think the Jakarta group be willing to accept my stuff ? > >Thanks to the many thousands out there who read my docs. Hope they >helped you, in some small way. And if you know of any companies hiring, >tell them about this poor Linux/UNIX sysadmin and Java programmer in >Southeast Asia who'd make a good Tomcat administrator and give him a job. > >-- >"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from >religious conviction." > -- Blaise Pascal >++ >| Pascal Chong | >| email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >|| >| Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net| >| If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and| >| and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | >++ > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Needed : New home(s) for Tomcat on Linux StepByStep
why not just add them to Tomcat's resource page? Apache's cvs server allows commiters to make their homepage, so that's potentially an option. Not sure about the policy on that. if it generated enough traffic, it might cause eyes to roll. peter lin Chong Yu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all ! The amount of traffic I'm getting for my Tomcat tutorial has shot up in recent days, and though I'm very happy with the response, I'm also more than a little worried about my bandwidth bill at the end of the month. Because I am currently unemployed, I'm not sure how long I can keep the site going before I have to close it down. Before you decide, I think it would be fair to warn you that I used to get about 30,000 hits on my site. Lately, I've been getting more than 2,000 hits a day! Some of it is for my other stuff, like Firebird and SecurityFilter, but a massive proportion comes from the Tomcat write-up. So, if anyone is willing to give my Tomcat docs a new home, I -- and I'm sure a lot of Tomcat newbies -- will be grateful. I have a few conditions though: 1. Because I update the documents, sometimes quite frequently, especially when important new information comes up, I will need a way to update the documents either online, or through email with the site maintainers. 2. Please don't put it on one of those free webhosting sites with plenty of pop-ups and advertisements. 3. You cannot charge money for this service. Hey, I don't (didn't ?) charge anyone to access my site. Yoav, do you think the Jakarta group be willing to accept my stuff ? Thanks to the many thousands out there who read my docs. Hope they helped you, in some small way. And if you know of any companies hiring, tell them about this poor Linux/UNIX sysadmin and Java programmer in Southeast Asia who'd make a good Tomcat administrator and give him a job. -- "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal ++ | Pascal Chong | | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Please visit my site at : http://cymulacrum.net | | If you're using my documentation, please read the Terms and | | and Conditions at http://cymulacrum.net/terms.html | ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.
