Re: Topband: KH8 Demand on TB
Wow - I joined this group to help me with top band dxing, not to see personal insults and attacks being thrown around. I can see that every day in the news... I will be unsubscribing. W3TA On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 05:02:54 AM EDT, uy0zg via Topband wrote: Sam What don't you like? Are you already at home or still in a psychiatric hospital? --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Saulius Zalnerauskas писал 2023-11-01 10:50: > Who will STOP this madman? > > Sam LY5W > > On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 10:48 AM uy0zg via Topband > wrote: > >> Are you Steve probably a big boss? >> >> You give instructions on what you can talk about and what you >> can’t talk >> >> about... I advise you to give such orders to your wife at home. >> >> I don’t believe in your heroic past. I think you have always been >> only >> collectors of new countries. OK. I won't upset you anymore. >> >> Can you make a detailed video of the RX system you are going to use >> to >> listen to the KH8? People will be interested. >> >> --- >> Nick, UY0ZG >> http://www.topband.in.ua >> >> HA0DU Steve писал 2023-11-01 10:22: >>> Dear Nick, >>> >>> THIS THREAD IS ABOUT GEORGE ACTIVATING KH8. >>> >>> 73 Steve HA0DU >>> >>> PS Yes I am only (mostly) interested in new ones on 160 meters. >>> Between 1988 and 2010 I had a wonderful QTH, and I worked >> everything, >>> or mostly everything. But for your sake, my 10 last QSOs on 160, >>> 2019-2023: TK0C, V84SAA, UA3SFF, K9FD/KH6, AH7C, VP6R, TC0X, K9DR, >>> SV2RSG/A, 4W6RU, ZD9W. Only 4W6RU was a new one. I am not in the >> VE6WZ >>> log, because I had worked all NA decades before you started to >>> whine... >>> >>> uy0zg ezt írta (időpont: 2023. nov. 1., Sze, >>> 7:13): >>> Dear Steve. When was the last time you were on the air on 160? After all, this is the basis of our life. Or are you busy only >> with new countries?? You are not even in the VE6WZ log ( щт 160 ): https://clublog.org/logsearch/VE6WZ Is life passing you by? :-( --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua uy0zg via Topband писал 2023-11-01 07:14: > Steve HA0DU - there is no need to react so painfully to reality. > > > Do you think that if in a log of 70 QSOs only 2-3 are real, then this > is normal? > > This is not only not normal, it is a tragedy. Severe incurable disease. > > > However, I am not against the expedition. I wish you success >> Steve in > your new country. I have normal RX antennas and will also try to > listen (if there is CW). > > > --- > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.topband.in.ua > > HA0DU Steve писал 2023-10-31 23:51: >> Greetings to All, >> >> W8S took place in early October, when the common darkness with Europe >> was much shorter (most probably none with Western Europe). Do >> ot >> compare apples with oranges. E51D, 5W0LM, T2C, W8S, E6AM all worked >> some EU, even if it was not their main target! >> >> Nick, could you please STOP your negative comments! >> I am sure most of Top Banders would like this operation to happen. I >> am also sure George is a very good operator, and it is about >> time that >> someone with the proper equipment and skills, puts KH8 on the map. >> >> Yours truly >> Steve HA0DU >> >> uy0zg via Topband ezt írta (időpont: 2023. >> okt. 31., K, 22:09): >> >>> https://clublog.org/charts/?c=W8S#r >>> >>> Zone 15 only one QSO - OH2XX >>> >>> Zone 14 - two QSOs. CU2DX and someone else >>> >>> Zone 20 – seven QSOs! World famous Greek web superman SV8BHN >> + >>> five more >>> >>> greeks... I didn't look for who is the seventh. >>> >>> - >>> >>> Result - real 2-3 QSOs >>> >>> from Europe >>> >>> --- >>> Nick, UY0ZG >>> http://www.topband.in.ua >>> >>> GEORGE WALLNER писал 2023-10-31 21:39: How did W8S do in EU on 160? TKS, George, AA7JV On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:40:02 +0100 Jan Erik Holm via Topband >>> wrote: > Nick, > > This is not true at all. As I wrote in a previous mail > I could copy the W8S exp on 160m for at least 45 minutes. > I know they had high noise level so that was the problem. > Sure propagation was much better some years ago during > sun spot minima but it is very much wrong to say that > there is no propagation at all to Europe. > > / Jim SM2EKM > > Den 2023-10-31 kl. 16:03, skrev uy0zg via Topband: > >> >> In 2013, conditions were normal. >> Let's look at the log: >> https://clublog.org/char
Re: Topband: KH8 Demand on TB
Hi George, I'm always looking for new ones on 160. Currently sitting at 102. TomW3TA On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 04:54:22 AM EDT, GEORGE WALLNER wrote: Hello TobBanders, I am in American Samoa (KH8) and will be in the Manua Islands, AH54 (OC-77), later this week. I may have a chance to set up a 160 m station and operate for a few days. How much wanted is KH8 on TB? ClubLog indicates that it is quite rare at #30 on 160 m, but I find that hard to believe for a place recently activated by a number of groups. TKS, George, AA7JV _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: 10/28 morning conditions
I also heard W0FLS working JA8EKM. At my location the JA was nothing but a whisper in the noise. I could tell some other stations were in there but with my noise level around S5 (quiet morning for me) I couldn't pull anything out before I had to head to work. Maybe I need to get up a little earlier Kind of exciting though because I've never heard, let alone worked, any JA's on 160m. TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Ron Spencer via Topband To: topband Sent: Thu, Oct 28, 2021 12:27 pm Subject: Topband: 10/28 morning conditions What an unusual morning of prop. Started, at 10:43Z with hearing Mike, KL7QOW, with a huge signal. Then heard JA8EKM working Dave, W0FLS. Worked JA8 at 1052 with his signal still building. Then found, and worked, KH6ZM at 10:57. Big signal from him too. Went up the band and called CQ. Phil, VK6GX, called in. QRN made it tough but logged him at 1107. Copying over JA. Nothing direct path. All told heard several (4 or 5) more JA's working a couple. Kim, HL5IVL, was in well but I couldn't get through to him. Capped off the morning working AL7JX who faded at the end. This was at 11:56. My sunrise was 11:37. All told, the best prop from PAC/ Asia this year. And maybe in many years. I find this also interesting. At the start of the prop here, WELL before SR, reception was best (and only for the JA signals) on the JA beverage. Later, closer to the end of the opening, best, and for most signals, reception better on 8 antenna circle array. I am guessing this has to do with low vs higher angle arrival. Was a really fun morning. Mornings like this almost compensate for the mornings where the biggest signal is from the storm QRN! Ron N4XD Sent using https://www.zoho.com/mail/ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Antenna thoughts
I changed my home built Battle Creek Special over to a "tee" for 160 last fall and I feel it performs much better on 160 then the "L" of the BCS did. Due to yard restrictions the ends of my tee's slope down a bit, one more then the other. Overall height is approx 52' with the tee wires extending out from there. Had to add a bit of base loading to get a good match. TomW3TA -Original Message- From: GEORGE WALLNER To: John ; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tue, Mar 2, 2021 9:28 am Subject: Re: Topband: Antenna thoughts John, For DX, the T will be better than the L, especially if part of the L is sloping. (Higher radiation resistance.) Also, if the two loading wires are the same length, the antenna will be good on 3.5 and 7 MHz. Regarding the radials, it all depends on how many and how long you have now, but the T will be better for DX, in any case. 73 and GL, George, On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 02:20:12 -0600 John wrote: > Hello all.I currently have a coaxial inv. L.apex at 50ft and rest going out > at abt 45 degrees.The end is abt 20-30 ft high.It has been a very good > antenna.I used a l because I did not have the option of 2 masts.I am changing > a bit.Doing away from vhf/uhf beams.So I have another 50 ft mast.They are abt > 200ft apart.My question is…Would a tee type vertical be better that an L.Yes > I could elevate 2 or 3 radials.I am using a radial ground on the > inv.L.Thoughts on this please.I am not really concerned about matching.Just > effenciency.Is a tee better? Thanks,john > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: Alaska QSO Party
Do any Alaska stations plan on operating during the QSO party? I could use AK to finish WAS on 160m Thanks, TomW3TA _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Wednesday CW DX Activity Night
Would be interested in hearing (no pun intended) what type of antenna you, or anyone heraing the 7q7, are using TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Salvatore ["Ted"] K2QMF To: Guy Olinger K2AV ; thoy...@verizon.net Cc: Greg Chartrand via Topband Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2020 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Wednesday CW DX Activity Night The 7Q7 was 100% copy here on Long Island!!Tried for over an hour to work him!! No Luck...Ted K2QMF On 11/19/2020 12:15:01 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:I heard the 7Q7 call sign here in NC exactly once, of course at the tippy top of a long QSB cycle, which then immediately dove into the noise not to be heard again in the 30 minutes before I had to go downstairs. 8’s and 9’s appeared to be hearing him. Go figure. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:44 AM Thomas Hoyer via Topband < topband@contesting.com> wrote: > Observation from my little gun station in eastern PA is that propagation > seems to have moved more to the west of me, western PA, Ohio and further. > Whereas for the last two weeks or so I was hearing EU fairly well given my > S5 noise level which is quite for me. > Worked the KP2 and YL stations last night but as Roger alludes to some > deep QSB made it a couple try QSO. > That 7Q7 was drawing a lot of activity bit I could not hear him at all. > Seemed like stations to the west of me were hearing better. > TomW3TA > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Kennedy > To: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2020 9:40 am > Subject: Topband: Wednesday CW DX Activity Night > > > Once again, lots of stations on the band last night from both sides of the > pond . . . good have such a nice turnout. > > However, quite deep QSB on most signals, and propagation didn't seem as > good > as the night before (when I worked several stations right across to the > West > Coast). > > Thanks once again to all that made the effort to come on 160 to have a few > QSOs . . . let's hope we can keep the DX CW activity going again next > Wednesday. > > 73 Roger G3YRO > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Wednesday CW DX Activity Night
Observation from my little gun station in eastern PA is that propagation seems to have moved more to the west of me, western PA, Ohio and further. Whereas for the last two weeks or so I was hearing EU fairly well given my S5 noise level which is quite for me. Worked the KP2 and YL stations last night but as Roger alludes to some deep QSB made it a couple try QSO. That 7Q7 was drawing a lot of activity bit I could not hear him at all. Seemed like stations to the west of me were hearing better. TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2020 9:40 am Subject: Topband: Wednesday CW DX Activity Night Once again, lots of stations on the band last night from both sides of the pond . . . good have such a nice turnout. However, quite deep QSB on most signals, and propagation didn't seem as good as the night before (when I worked several stations right across to the West Coast). Thanks once again to all that made the effort to come on 160 to have a few QSOs . . . let's hope we can keep the DX CW activity going again next Wednesday. 73 Roger G3YRO _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: VK3HJ in NNJ this morning
Heard you work him - congrats! Couldn't hear Luke though... TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Paul Dulaff To: 160 Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2020 7:44 am Subject: Topband: VK3HJ in NNJ this morning Worked Luke VK3HJ here in NNJ at 1824.500 at 6:50 AM this morning. Signal 55N both sides. I was running TT Orion, 100 watts into a HyGain 18HT vertical with inverted L kit. Also using the transmit antenna on receive. Really a good morning. Paul W2NMI _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: CW Activity
I don't know where those RBN's are but here in southeastern PA at my station I have only heard two EU stations both during the SP contest. I'm on every evening from about to 0200. TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2020 7:30 am Subject: Topband: CW Activity Well there are quite a few EU stations on CW, calling CQ DX every night . . . but getting very few replies. I had about a dozen NA QSOs on Saturday night . . . but I've been on every night since, and no calls whatsoever! (although RBN reports were quite good, so the band IS open) Roger G3YRO _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Wednesday 160m DX CW Activity Night
S9 noise here last night - More then the usual S5-S7. Heard Roger in there and called a couple times but QSB and noise kept me from hearing him well enough to make a contact. Tried a couple CQ's but nothing - band seemed dead at my QTH (noisy) in eastern PA. TomW3TA PS: this is why it has taken me 20 years to get DXCC on 160 which I finished on an unusually quiet evening this past January -Original Message- From: Wes To: topband Sent: Thu, Mar 19, 2020 1:55 am Subject: Re: Topband: Wednesday 160m DX CW Activity Night Stormy WX here in Arizona. Too much QRN :-( Wes N7WS On 3/18/2020 10:38 PM, uy0zg wrote: > Hi > > We are waiting for activity from America ... > > And where is the activity of Europe? > > Everything is very difficult. > > People are aging soul. > > Moral crisis... > > And this is not only in amateur radio .. > > There are thousands of stars in Hollywood, but no good movies. > > Money money money > > Well, or new countries on DXCC -: (( > > But somehow it’s necessary to live anyway .. > > > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.topband.in.ua > > Roger Kennedy писал 2020-03-18 17:29: >> Well I'm still trying to promote this, for all the people who say there's >> very little CW activity these days ! >> >> Conditions have been pretty good lately . . . so I wonder if we'll get many >> NA stations on the band tonight? >> >> (I keep hearing EU stations calling CQ DX, but getting no replies, even >> though the band is open !) >> >> 73 Roger G3YRO _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: No NA Activity
Roger, I heard you in there but QSB and noise were pretty bad at my location last night. If I didn't know it was you I would have had a hard time making out the call TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 7:56 am Subject: Topband: No NA Activity Well I came on for a few hours last night . . . Conditions were good, as my RBN reports with NA sites were between 20 and 35 dB over the noise. But I only worked a handful of NA stations ! (there were several other European and Russian stations on too) It's a real shame there's so little CW activity . . . this Season will be over soon ! Roger G3YRO _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TI9A
Don't think the boss would like me taking a nap during the day -Original Message- From: W0MU Mike Fatchett To: topband Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 12:58 pm Subject: Re: Topband: TI9A They should have stayed on past EU Sunrise which would be the prime time to work them from NA. Take a nap earlier in the day and stay up and wait? W0MU On 2/5/2020 10:56 AM, Thomas Hoyer via Topband wrote: > They were really good copy here in eastern PA last night. I'm happy for all > of the EU stations that made it into the log but was a bit disappointed that > they were only working EU - while I was listening anyway, I just hope they > are just as strong when they call for NA - maybe tonight > I just crossed the DXCC threshold the other evening and would like to work > TI9A for number 101! > TomW3TA > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: TI9A
They were really good copy here in eastern PA last night. I'm happy for all of the EU stations that made it into the log but was a bit disappointed that they were only working EU - while I was listening anyway, I just hope they are just as strong when they call for NA - maybe tonight I just crossed the DXCC threshold the other evening and would like to work TI9A for number 101! TomW3TA _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: 160 is alive!
Figures Only need a couple more countries for DXCC and my TB antenna is down for the next couple months due to a construction project going on in the yard. The contractor didn't want to "work around" the guy lines on the vertical - which really were in his way - so I took the vertical down temporarily. Of course this construction project was supposed to be done in June and they just got started two weeks ago. Hopefully I'll be back on by mid December and there will be some good DX left over (CW only for me). Need to run a bunch of new radials as the excavation has torn up about 25% of them. TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Ed Sawyer To: topband Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2019 1:13 pm Subject: Re: Topband: 160 is alive! Yes it is. And all on CW. I am sorry I was not able to be on this morning. 73 Ed N1UR _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: ARRL DX Contest - Small Gun
Typically I deal with S7+ noise at my station and have been stuck at 90 countries for a few years now. This weekend I found the band to be a lot less noisy then usual (S3 to S5) and I was able to add three new countries. I heard two other new ones HQ and KL7, but I suppose they couldn't hear me as I was not able to get a QSO with either. I probably made over 30 DX contacts including two in Hawaii. This is very atypical for me and I was excited to see the band in such good shape. Alas, I was not able to be on at the end due to some family commitments. I'd love to be able to finish up DXCC this this year but chances of getting 7+ new ones are probably slim over the next month or so. Good stuff! TomW3TA _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: The band works!!
Dave, Was listening to you last night work those stations. Sadly I didn't / couldn't hear any of them - but you were nice and strong in EPA! Just out of curiosity, what is the noise level at your station? Regards, TomW3TA -Original Message- From: daraymond To: Tree ; 160 Sent: Fri, Oct 19, 2018 11:42 am Subject: Re: Topband: The band works!! Some other pleasant surprises. Last evening worked UY0ZG, RZ1OA, UX1A, OH0Z (a regular) plus a handful of the usual EU. So some nice prop more or less over the pole. The real surprise came when R8CA called in from Z18. This morning another Z18, R0SR called in. 73. . .Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: Tree Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:40 AM To: 160 Subject: Topband: The band works!! Very nice opening to start off the DX season here at my new QTH. Worked a handful of Northern Europeans with good signals. Seemed like most of the West Coast was working them - although maybe not down South. Still only at 11 radials - but it felt like the system was working FB last night. The Hi-Z RX array really is working well too at its new home. SM5EDX could not be copied unless it was pointing North. Found three noise sources - one was my switching power supply that I hooked up while sitting right next to my radio and bandscope. Not a good idea!! Another one is a uv water purifier system that is located in the middle of the RX array. It generates a small noise over a 5 kHz spread. Hoping to fix it with some ferrite and shielding. Great sign that conditions might be good for the PreStew which starts tomorrow. 73 Tree N6TR Manning, OR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Why no NA 160m Activity?
In my case I have been listening every night the last few weeks between 2300 and 0200 and find it hard to pick out anything due to the S7 to S9 noise levels at my QTH. Not even worth calling CQ if I can't hear anything. I may experiment with a receive antenna this year but I don't live on acreage for 100's of feet of wire. Plus I have power lines on three sides of my yard. Heard a couple guys in 2/3 land work the OH0 last night - never heard him myself. I'm close to 80 countries on 160 and have been stuck there for about 3 years due to the circumstances with noise and limited room for an efficient RX ant. TomW3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2018 1:07 pm Subject: Topband: Why no NA 160m Activity? I know you guys in North America have a lot of Lightning & Static problems in the summer . . . but surely that's all gone now? If so, why is there so little activity on CW from NA on Top Band? Every night there's usually a load of us Europeans on from your Sunset time, calling CQ DX. The band is clearly open, from the RBN signal reports . . . but I'll often come on for at least an hour, and lucky if I have 3 or 4 QSOs ! And even then, it tends to be none of the big signals. What makes it even more frustrating is that there's usually LOADS of people posting FT8 contacts on the 160m DX Cluster . . . but very few proper CW Stations ! Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
I'm using a Battle Creek Special. I had plans to make some form of compact RX antenna - no room for long wire antennas here - this fall, but other things got in the way Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Tim Duffy To: 'Thomas Hoyer' ; roger ; topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 9:36 am Subject: RE: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak Hello Tom: I am curious what your topband RX antenna is? 73 Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Hoyer Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:35 AM To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm usually on from around 23.30 Z) However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm usually on from around 23.30 Z) However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
