RE: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-19 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
Totally clear now! Thx

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On 18/01/2019 9:18 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:
So I understand: for name spaces/deref. all fine but issue is more on 
(recursive) import/localfile reuse.

Just one step back: why is shacl doing things special (so far I never saw # in 
imports, well maybe we had the issue discussed earlier when I was surprised to 
see just the prefix at import (which of course is only poss. when you import 
with #).

This topic was discussed in the W3C WG and a formal vote was held to decide to 
add the '#'. I was not in favor then because I believe this pattern is rarer, 
but in the end it's an arbitrary decision and the # does have the advantage 
that the namespace is the same as the graph URI, which means it can be 
addressed as "sh:"

Holger


When making a modelling guide for starting modellers I don’t want to bother 
them with many options and under the hood issues, pref. just the one best 
practice so with or without # in imports.

thx





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Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?



On 18/01/2019 7:15 am, Rob Atkinson wrote:
its an area where URIs are not "opaque" - because when dereferencing a server 
never sees the # or trailing fragments after that.

If you use a # in your URI you are saying that architecturally a client must 
always load the entire namespace when referencing a single term - which is 
appropriate for models but not instance data usually. clients need the ability 
to choose how many instances they are dealing with, and some other mechanism 
should be provided to access lists of instances.

Arguably TBC should fully simulate HTTP dereferencing - and be willing to match 
with or without trailing # ?

TopBraid will have no problems resolving either with or without # from the web, 
but if you have owl:imports in an RDF model then the interpretation should IMHO 
be that it refers to the URI (usually an owl:Ontology) in that location to 
resolve further recursive owl:imports. In other words, if you have a union 
graph with all sub-graphs, you can use the SPARQL path owl:imports* to find all 
imported sub-graphs. That's also how SHACL interprets them. Just pretending 
they are the same is creating complications wherever such references (in the 
RDF model) are followed, e.g. you'd need to make SPARQL queries look for either 
case too. For this reason, the mapping of URIs to local files only accepts 
exact matches.

Holger







On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 19:38, Holger Knublauch 
mailto:hol...@topquadrant.com>> wrote:

Using # or not does/can impact how further owl:imports are understood. So if 
shacl# had an owl:import and you just import without the # then the owl:import 
would not be picked up because it's a different owl:Ontology.

This is one of these never-ending topics where the semantic web stack is 
unfortunately too complex and almost everybody gets this wrong.

Holger


On 17/01/2019 6:32 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:

Ok

Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’ is different from usual 
(without #, # only in prefix)?





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Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-18 Thread Holger Knublauch 


On 18/01/2019 9:18 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
wrote:


So I understand: for name spaces/deref. all fine but issue is more on 
(recursive) import/localfile reuse.


Just one step back: why is shacl doing things special (so far I never 
saw # in imports, well maybe we had the issue discussed earlier when I 
was surprised to see just the prefix at import (which of course is 
only poss. when you import with #).


This topic was discussed in the W3C WG and a formal vote was held to 
decide to add the '#'. I was not in favor then because I believe this 
pattern is rarer, but in the end it's an arbitrary decision and the # 
does have the advantage that the namespace is the same as the graph URI, 
which means it can be addressed as "sh:"


Holger


When making a modelling guide for starting modellers I don’t want to 
bother them with many options and under the hood issues, pref. just 
the one best practice so with or without # in imports.


thx



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On 18/01/2019 7:15 am, Rob Atkinson wrote:

its an area where URIs are not "opaque" - because when
dereferencing a server never sees the # or trailing fragments
after that.

If you use a # in your URI you are saying that architecturally a
client must always load the entire namespace when referencing a
single term - which is appropriate for models but not instance
data usually. clients need the ability to choose how many
instances they are dealing with, and some other mechanism should
be provided to access lists of instances.

Arguably TBC should fully simulate HTTP dereferencing - and be
willing to match with or without trailing # ?

TopBraid will have no problems resolving either with or without # from 
the web, but if you have owl:imports in an RDF model then the 
interpretation should IMHO be that it refers to the URI (usually an 
owl:Ontology) in that location to resolve further recursive 
owl:imports. In other words, if you have a union graph with all 
sub-graphs, you can use the SPARQL path owl:imports* to find all 
imported sub-graphs. That's also how SHACL interprets them. Just 
pretending they are the same is creating complications wherever such 
references (in the RDF model) are followed, e.g. you'd need to make 
SPARQL queries look for either case too. For this reason, the mapping 
of URIs to local files only accepts exact matches.


Holger

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 19:38, Holger Knublauch
mailto:hol...@topquadrant.com>> wrote:

Using # or not does/can impact how further owl:imports are
understood. So if shacl# had an owl:import and you just import
without the # then the owl:import would not be picked up
because it's a different owl:Ontology.

This is one of these never-ending topics where the semantic
web stack is unfortunately too complex and almost everybody
gets this wrong.

Holger

On 17/01/2019 6:32 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid
Suite Users wrote:

Ok

Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’is
different from usual (without #, # only in prefix)?



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RE: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-18 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
So I understand: for name spaces/deref. all fine but issue is more on 
(recursive) import/localfile reuse.

Just one step back: why is shacl doing things special (so far I never saw # in 
imports, well maybe we had the issue discussed earlier when I was surprised to 
see just the prefix at import (which of course is only poss. when you import 
with #).

When making a modelling guide for starting modellers I don’t want to bother 
them with many options and under the hood issues, pref. just the one best 
practice so with or without # in imports.

thx





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Sent: vrijdag 18 januari 2019 01:08
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?



On 18/01/2019 7:15 am, Rob Atkinson wrote:
its an area where URIs are not "opaque" - because when dereferencing a server 
never sees the # or trailing fragments after that.

If you use a # in your URI you are saying that architecturally a client must 
always load the entire namespace when referencing a single term - which is 
appropriate for models but not instance data usually. clients need the ability 
to choose how many instances they are dealing with, and some other mechanism 
should be provided to access lists of instances.

Arguably TBC should fully simulate HTTP dereferencing - and be willing to match 
with or without trailing # ?

TopBraid will have no problems resolving either with or without # from the web, 
but if you have owl:imports in an RDF model then the interpretation should IMHO 
be that it refers to the URI (usually an owl:Ontology) in that location to 
resolve further recursive owl:imports. In other words, if you have a union 
graph with all sub-graphs, you can use the SPARQL path owl:imports* to find all 
imported sub-graphs. That's also how SHACL interprets them. Just pretending 
they are the same is creating complications wherever such references (in the 
RDF model) are followed, e.g. you'd need to make SPARQL queries look for either 
case too. For this reason, the mapping of URIs to local files only accepts 
exact matches.

Holger







On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 19:38, Holger Knublauch 
mailto:hol...@topquadrant.com>> wrote:

Using # or not does/can impact how further owl:imports are understood. So if 
shacl# had an owl:import and you just import without the # then the owl:import 
would not be picked up because it's a different owl:Ontology.

This is one of these never-ending topics where the semantic web stack is 
unfortunately too complex and almost everybody gets this wrong.

Holger


On 17/01/2019 6:32 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:

Ok

Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’ is different from usual 
(without #, # only in prefix)?





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Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

Only importing will add the triples from that namespace. Simply using the URIs 
does not.

Holger
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On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
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Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-17 Thread Holger Knublauch 


On 18/01/2019 7:15 am, Rob Atkinson wrote:
its an area where URIs are not "opaque" - because when dereferencing a 
server never sees the # or trailing fragments after that.


If you use a # in your URI you are saying that architecturally a 
client must always load the entire namespace when referencing a single 
term - which is appropriate for models but not instance data usually. 
clients need the ability to choose how many instances they are dealing 
with, and some other mechanism should be provided to access lists of 
instances.


Arguably TBC should fully simulate HTTP dereferencing - and be willing 
to match with or without trailing # ?


TopBraid will have no problems resolving either with or without # from 
the web, but if you have owl:imports in an RDF model then the 
interpretation should IMHO be that it refers to the URI (usually an 
owl:Ontology) in that location to resolve further recursive owl:imports. 
In other words, if you have a union graph with all sub-graphs, you can 
use the SPARQL path owl:imports* to find all imported sub-graphs. That's 
also how SHACL interprets them. Just pretending they are the same is 
creating complications wherever such references (in the RDF model) are 
followed, e.g. you'd need to make SPARQL queries look for either case 
too. For this reason, the mapping of URIs to local files only accepts 
exact matches.


Holger






On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 19:38, Holger Knublauch <mailto:hol...@topquadrant.com>> wrote:


Using # or not does/can impact how further owl:imports are
understood. So if shacl# had an owl:import and you just import
without the # then the owl:import would not be picked up because
it's a different owl:Ontology.

This is one of these never-ending topics where the semantic web
stack is unfortunately too complex and almost everybody gets this
wrong.

Holger


On 17/01/2019 6:32 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite
Users wrote:


Ok

Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’is
different from usual (without #, # only in prefix)?



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*Subject:* Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

Only importing will add the triples from that namespace. Simply
using the URIs does not.

Holger

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On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid
Suite Users mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Ok

But when it is deref. that way…why still need to import it
(at all)?



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Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-17 Thread Rob Atkinson 
its an area where URIs are not "opaque" - because when dereferencing a
server never sees the # or trailing fragments after that.

If you use a # in your URI you are saying that architecturally a client
must always load the entire namespace when referencing a single term -
which is appropriate for models but not instance data usually. clients need
the ability to choose how many instances they are dealing with, and some
other mechanism should be provided to access lists of instances.

Arguably TBC should fully simulate HTTP dereferencing - and be willing to
match with or without trailing # ?



On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 19:38, Holger Knublauch 
wrote:

> Using # or not does/can impact how further owl:imports are understood. So
> if shacl# had an owl:import and you just import without the # then the
> owl:import would not be picked up because it's a different owl:Ontology.
>
> This is one of these never-ending topics where the semantic web stack is
> unfortunately too complex and almost everybody gets this wrong.
>
> Holger
>
>
> On 17/01/2019 6:32 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok
>
>
>
> Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’ is different from
> usual (without #, # only in prefix)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms
> Senior Data Scientist
>
> T +31888663107
> M +31630381220
> E michel.bo...@tno.nl
>
> Location
> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/TNO+-+Locatie+Delft+-+Stieltjesweg/@52.000788,4.3745183,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c5b58c52869997:0x56681566be3b8c88!8m2!3d52.000788!4d4.376707>
>
>
>
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> *From:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
>  *On Behalf Of *Holger Knublauch
> *Sent:* donderdag 17 januari 2019 09:30
> *To:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?
>
>
>
> Only importing will add the triples from that namespace. Simply using the
> URIs does not.
>
>
>
> Holger
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users <
> topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Ok
>
> But when it is deref. that way… why still need to import it (at all)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms
> Senior Data Scientist
>
>
> T +31888663107
> M +31630381220
> E michel.bo...@tno.nl
>
> Location
> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/TNO+-+Locatie+Delft+-+Stieltjesweg/@52.000788,4.3745183,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c5b58c52869997:0x56681566be3b8c88!8m2!3d52.000788!4d4.376707>
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> *From:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Holger Knublauch
> *Sent:* donderdag 17 januari 2019 00:05
> *To:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?
>
>
>
> The correct URI to import is http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#
> <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> (including the #) and this should be
> dereferenceable. In TopBraid, this will redirect to the local copy in the
> TopBraid/SHACL/shacl.ttl file.
>
> Holger
>
>
>
> On 16/01/2019 10:34 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Can someone help me remember:
>
>
>
> Do I need
>
> <https://w3id.org/example1> <https://w3id.org/example1>
>
>   rdf:type owl:Ontology ;
>
>   owl:imports dct: ;
>
>   owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core>
> <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> ;
>
>   owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> .
>
>
>
> or is it dereferenceable
>
>
>
> thx a lot, Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> D

Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-17 Thread Holger Knublauch 
Using # or not does/can impact how further owl:imports are understood. 
So if shacl# had an owl:import and you just import without the # then 
the owl:import would not be picked up because it's a different owl:Ontology.


This is one of these never-ending topics where the semantic web stack is 
unfortunately too complex and almost everybody gets this wrong.


Holger


On 17/01/2019 6:32 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
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Ok

Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’is different 
from usual (without #, # only in prefix)?




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Only importing will add the triples from that namespace. Simply using 
the URIs does not.


Holger

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On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite 
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Ok

But when it is deref. that way…why still need to import it (at all)?



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The correct URI to import is http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#
<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> (including the #) and this should be
dereferenceable. In TopBraid, this will redirect to the local copy
in the TopBraid/SHACL/shacl.ttl file.

Holger

On 16/01/2019 10:34 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite
Users wrote:

Can someone help me remember:

Do I need

<https://w3id.org/example1> <https://w3id.org/example1>

rdf:type owl:Ontology ;

owl:imports dct: ;

owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core>
<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> ;

  owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl>
<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> .

or is it dereferenceable

thx a lot, Michel



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RE: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-17 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 

Ok

Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’ is different from usual 
(without #, # only in prefix)?





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Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

Only importing will add the triples from that namespace. Simply using the URIs 
does not.

Holger
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On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
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Ok
But when it is deref. that way… why still need to import it (at all)?






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Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?


The correct URI to import is 
http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> (including the #) and 
this should be dereferenceable. In TopBraid, this will redirect to the local 
copy in the TopBraid/SHACL/shacl.ttl file.

Holger


On 16/01/2019 10:34 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:

Can someone help me remember:

Do I need
<https://w3id.org/example1><https://w3id.org/example1>
  rdf:type owl:Ontology ;
  owl:imports dct: ;
  owl:imports 
<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core><http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> ;
  owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl><http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> .

or is it dereferenceable

thx a lot, Michel




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Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-17 Thread Holger Knublauch 
Only importing will add the triples from that namespace. Simply using the URIs 
does not.

Holger

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> On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok
> But when it is deref. that way… why still need to import it (at all)?
>  
>  
>  
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> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms
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> From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
> Sent: donderdag 17 januari 2019 00:05
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?
>  
> The correct URI to import is http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl# (including the #) 
> and this should be dereferenceable. In TopBraid, this will redirect to the 
> local copy in the TopBraid/SHACL/shacl.ttl file.
> 
> Holger
> 
>  
> 
> On 16/01/2019 10:34 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:
>  
> Can someone help me remember:
>  
> Do I need
> <https://w3id.org/example1>
>   rdf:type owl:Ontology ;
>   owl:imports dct: ;
>   owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> ;
>   owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> .
>  
> or is it dereferenceable
>  
> thx a lot, Michel
>  
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms
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RE: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-17 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
Ok
But when it is deref. that way… why still need to import it (at all)?






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Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?


The correct URI to import is 
http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> (including the #) and 
this should be dereferenceable. In TopBraid, this will redirect to the local 
copy in the TopBraid/SHACL/shacl.ttl file.

Holger


On 16/01/2019 10:34 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:

Can someone help me remember:

Do I need
<https://w3id.org/example1><https://w3id.org/example1>
  rdf:type owl:Ontology ;
  owl:imports dct: ;
  owl:imports 
<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core><http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> ;
  owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl><http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> .

or is it dereferenceable

thx a lot, Michel




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Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import?

2019-01-16 Thread Holger Knublauch 
The correct URI to import is http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl# (including the 
#) and this should be dereferenceable. In TopBraid, this will redirect 
to the local copy in the TopBraid/SHACL/shacl.ttl file.


Holger


On 16/01/2019 10:34 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
wrote:


Can someone help me remember:

Do I need



  rdf:type owl:Ontology ;

  owl:imports dct: ;

  owl:imports  ;

owl:imports  .

or is it dereferenceable

thx a lot, Michel



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