Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 06:15, dumbnewbie wrote: In my country it's difficult (but not impossible!) to obtain throw away SIM cards due to industry regulations that require telcos and retailers to obtain proof of ID at the point of sale and registration of SIM cards. AFAIK, this proof of ID and the SIM card information is registered with a government agency. Do not forget that as every SIM card comes embedded with a serial number that does most of the identification and not the actual phone number printed on the box, each telephone also has a serial number. Those two strings are stored just like anything else, like location updates, number you have called or have called you and so on. If Sony does have years old registration data and credit card numbers in its possesion, I'd say it's sane to assume the phone company stores this data for ever. So giving that phone to your brother in law or lending it from a highschool friend doesn't make much of a difference. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On 8/4/2012 2:00 PM, Juan Garofalo wrote: For what it's worth, I created a gmail account last week from my home, ordinary internet connection, argentina, and the phone # was not needed. But maybe that was because my IP was 'legitimate'? That's a very interesting question / comment. Also points out, Tor users from many countries are reading the U.S. list. I've no idea of google policies / practices (or any other providers') for different countries. It's hard enough to pin point what they are in US, as different US users report different Google / Gmail experiences. Google may switch it up to keep potential spammers off balance. Or, due to differences in users' browser / OS / FW / privacy software, etc., that diff users have / don't have, Google believes it already has enough info on a machine / location, that they don't need to ask for a phone #. Don't know. Different countries have diff regulations for email providers, ISPs, etc. That's fairly well documented. Some countries have more pro user privacy laws or regulations than others. And as others point out, it - seems - might be a big difference in using Firefox /w several privacy addons vs using Android OS. I don't have Android, but is it possible Google can already get enough info from an Android device, that there's no need to ask for verifying phone #? Google *funded* Android development - correct? Given Google's - proven - privacy violation record, is it safe to assume they *may* be getting more info than Android users would like, or are aware of? Recent replies to the original topic have nothing to do w/ GMX, per se, which is why another user I changed the subject, but others accidentally replied to an older post w/ original GMX subject. Still, overall info of keeping anonymous when using various services is obviously of great interest. Might take a team of people (or be impossible), but given the constant interest in how to sign up / protect anonymity using Tor w/ specific services, would be extremely helpful to have reasonably *updated* documentation on how to sign up or use Tor w/ specific services. Have the info posted on one web page (w/ links to specific topics), rather than get lost in this list's archives. I appreciate earlier efforts on torrifying apps, etc., but much is outdated. AFAIK, there's not much in a central location on topics like, how to sign up w/ ABC, XYZ using Tor. Then instructions on how to *use* Tor a service (like webmail provider) w/o compromising anonymity. Yes, it would require constant updating as providers' methods changed. I KNOW it's difficult to write or compile such info, but I see lack of documentation for avg users, as a huge limiting factor for getting more Tor users (thus, more anonymity). Problem: if Tor / TBB become hugely popular, even many democratic countries may ban it? We choose to make Tor easier to use, not because it is easy, but because it is hard. :) ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: Good to know, but how? How'd you create Gmail acct w/ Tor not give mobile #? How did you get GMX to accept a Tor address (got lucky?). I'm not arguing. Obviously, I'm not as experienced / crafty / lucky as some, so looking for HOW folks *recently* created email accts w/ various providers, using Tor - or other anonymous ways. I haven't tried - every - provider w/ Tor would prefer not to spend days. The only way I've been able to create a Gmail account recently was through an Android tablet. I installed Orbot and Orweb APKs so all traffic was through Tor at the time, then created the account through Settings Acounts Sync Add Account. I was surprised it didn't want a phone number. I've created accounts with hushmail but they block some exit nodes. I saw http://safe-mail.net mentioned before and I can confirm that they don't reject Tor users. I use these guys the most. I've read some suspicions about them, though, because their NS is through barak.net.il but I don't know if that's a valid concern. Cheers, dn. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On 04.08.2012 12:11, dumbnewbie wrote: The only way I've been able to create a Gmail account recently was through an Android tablet. I've noticed that behavior, too. Maybe it's just the User Agent, or they use a different URL to sign up. -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
Of course Android is google's child... http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/how-open-is-googles-android/9357 --- On Sat, 8/4/12, Moritz Bartl mor...@torservers.net wrote: From: Moritz Bartl mor...@torservers.net Subject: Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor? To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Date: Saturday, August 4, 2012, 4:02 AM On 04.08.2012 12:11, dumbnewbie wrote: The only way I've been able to create a Gmail account recently was through an Android tablet. I've noticed that behavior, too. Maybe it's just the User Agent, or they use a different URL to sign up. -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On 8/4/2012 5:11 AM, dumbnewbie wrote: The only way I've been able to create a Gmail account recently was through an Android tablet. I installed Orbot and Orweb APKs so all traffic was through Tor at the time, then created the account through Settings Acounts Sync Add Account. I was surprised it didn't want a phone number. I've created accounts with hushmail but they block some exit nodes. I saw http://safe-mail.net mentioned before and I can confirm that they don't reject Tor users. I use these guys the most. I've read some suspicions about them, though, because their NS is through barak.net.il but I don't know if that's a valid concern. Cheers, dn. It'd be hard to avg user to create anonymous Gmail acct. Maybe use a throw away cell phone; use WiFi that's near pay phone? Google SAYS they won't do anything w/ the phone # or SMS device, except to verify the acct. But then, Google says a lot of things. It only deters honest people from setting up anonymous accts - criminal types will use throw away phones, etc. In my search for providers to create accts using Tor, Safe-mail was one. Yes - based in Israel. Don't know it's a big concern, except some servers might filter email from foreign countries - but many don't. They have long, 6 mo period before inactivating accts w/o login; Storage of 3 MB is very low. Send a msg, then del, I guess. Privatdemail.net is in Egypt don't allow sending email to Israel. SAY they don't log *any* files or IP addresses. Have decent 500 MB storage; 10 MB max message size; support POP / IMAP; 90 day deactivation if no login. No idea how many servers would filter mail from Egypt. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 7:08 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: The only way I've been able to create a Gmail account recently was through an Android tablet. I installed Orbot and Orweb APKs so all traffic was through Tor at the time, then created the account through Settings Acounts Sync Add Account. I'd be wary of that approach. It would be some work for me to verify on such a semi-closed system that all traffic did go through Tor. Even if it did, if any closed binaries/firmware on that system are involved in the process, they could easily be sending your MAC/UUID/serial/IMEI, etc over TLS as part of the signup process. Which as you use further apps, services, and surfing would be linked to that. I don't know much about Android hardware/software, but if this is the case, I'd rather not spend that much money on what would then necessarily become a one time use device. What you can do is use the android emulator (with Tor). You'll need to figure out how to get a google apps into the emulator image though. --Aaron ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: It'd be hard to avg user to create anonymous Gmail acct. Maybe use a throw away cell phone; use WiFi that's near pay phone? Google SAYS they won't do anything w/ the phone # or SMS device, except to verify the acct. But then, Google says a lot of things. It only deters honest people from setting up anonymous accts - criminal types will use throw away phones, etc. In my country it's difficult (but not impossible!) to obtain throw away SIM cards due to industry regulations that require telcos and retailers to obtain proof of ID at the point of sale and registration of SIM cards. AFAIK, this proof of ID and the SIM card information is registered with a government agency. On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 5:08 AM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be wary of that approach. It would be some work for me to verify on such a semi-closed system that all traffic did go through Tor. Even if it did, if any closed binaries/firmware on that system are involved in the process, they could easily be sending your MAC/UUID/serial/IMEI, etc over TLS as part of the signup process. Which as you use further apps, services, and surfing would be linked to that. I don't know much about Android hardware/software, but if this is the case, I'd rather not spend that much money on what would then necessarily become a one time use device. That's a valid concern. It's important for people to remember that, although a Google/GMail account might not be used for personal email, once it's associated to a personal Android device you've lost your privacy/anonymity on that device. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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To the posts mentioning Riseup : This thread has get offtopic, on purpose or not.I'm not member of Riseup Collective, but a devoted supporter of what these people do. That's why i felt the need to answer some previous emails to this list. https://help.riseup.net/en/about-us says : The Riseup Collective is an autonomous body based in Seattle with collective members world wide. Our purpose is to aid in the creation of a free society, a world with freedom from want and freedom of expression, a world without oppression or hierarchy, where power is shared equally. We do this by providing communication and computer resources to allies engaged in struggles against capitalism and other forms of oppression. People talking about tickets, quotas, company etc, you should probable have checked the about-us of Riseup Collective. Especially those who have already created an account. That conversation was getting a bit silly, no offence. Riseup is a collective of people, not another corporate business. And we prefer the way it is. We don't seek for a cool gmail's alike web-interface or some GB storage space. That's not Riseup. And hopefully won't be. Everything in life is about trust, on the Internet that applies too. I trust Riseup and share their vision about a better world. You people, who seek yet for another free alternative mail provider to do the job, you'd better consider some other solution than Riseup. Autonomous radical tech collectives and projects are something very important to people fighting around the world (http://cryptome.org/2012/07/chile-comments.htm). Please don't abuse it. Greetings and no offence ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 23:19, Joe Btfsplk wrote: So, big surprise, lots of people are using Tor addresses then doing crap to give it (certain addresses, anyway) a bad name get blacklisted. Question: was mentioned about using Tor to access Yahoo mail. Certainly, you can't OPEN a Gmail acct w/ Tor w/o giving mobile #, 1st born son, etc. Can't sign up for GMX w/ Tor. I guess that is an example of taking things out of context. A lot of people give ISPs a bad name. A lot of people give countries a bad name. And so on. Anybody who's online has a share of it. Unpatched servers, firewalls set up with defaults, faulty routers, anything for anybody. You missing out on the latest OS patch could mean somebody would take control of your box and give you a bad name. Do not single out Tor as a source of problems. Most of the public wants to hear that to shift the attention from their broken Symbians or old corporate Windows installs. So I think its less about abuse and more about old filters misunderstanding what's going on. After all, so many people get online over NAT, yet most filters are set up in the usual, now stupid way, of couting by IP connections. Yet given the subject more and more people are reading this and giving it a try. Each individual just wants to see for oneself. But as a whole it is an abuse: a couple of Tot exits asking for new accounts every 5 minutes. As for your certainty: I do have accounts from all mentioned services (Gmail, Yahoo, Gmx) and everything was done over Tor. Why would Yahoo allow using Tor? Or, is it that the acct was NOT created using Tor, but later accessing it via Tor - * as antispam06 mentioned * ? (not sure exactly what he meant) What would that accomplish, for anonymity? If you didn't create the acct w/ Tor (or proxy), they know the real IP address of the owner. Thanks. Because they are still getting a lot of information. My Yahoo account (accessed behind Tor) gives quite a few insides on my activities. Just not linked with a certain geographical place. That makes my life easier, as I am quite lazy, and helps them keep their userbase. The moment they are going to block Tor users that is going to be marked somewhere online. And me and others affected by that move would have to urge our contacts to move to other equaly gratis sites. They are going to keep the Yahoo mailbox as a storage for many / large attachments. Meaning Yahoo would get to pay for the hard drive space and have less info to use. Sure, it's not a big deal in the context of their millions of users. But it's something to think about. They launched the unlimited account and people were still switching to Gmail just for it being cooler. Next time some idiot would make a webmail comparison on some site it would throw in that blocking as one more reason to switch to the company that paid him for the article. And again. Tor is not the tool for the bad guys. It's slow. Tor exit nodes are public and blocked in some cases. Why not go through an open WiFi? That would reveal your geographic location at a certain instant in time. Otherwise it's open. How about going through another computer? And I don't mean using proxy software. As for yahoo there other UFO-type mysteries. Why do they keep their services out in the open. It was mentioned the Men in Black have their harvesting machines in the Yahoo datacenters. As Skype they still get a copy of everything that goes through their network. Why not add TLS to every connection be it webmail, IM, or whatever? Or how come a new account, once it gets over a certain level of trafic, even if it is with a short list of trusted emails, it starts getting spam? A lot more spam than any other webmail service I have used lately. Or you ask yourself why would they allow Tor? Because they see everything you send and to whom. But why they do not block PGP / GPG emails? They are very obvious. And it's a pain to try to crack one only to find out a grocery list from some geek to his programmer wife. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
Thanks for all replies. I'm responding to antispam06's reply, only because it was last of several. Because the issue is more complex than I thought, GMX is no longer the sole focus. Overall, the info should benefit *lots* of users, IMHO. On 8/3/2012 3:39 AM, antispa...@sent.at wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 23:19, Joe Btfsplk wrote: So, big surprise, lots of people are using Tor addresses then doing crap to give it (certain addresses, anyway) a bad name get blacklisted. I guess that is an example of taking things out of context. A lot of people give ISPs a bad name. A lot of people give countries a bad name. Absolutely - never said or hinted Tor was only network or service being abused. But I'm talking about using Tor to sign up for email. GMX probably blacklisted (many?) Tor IP addresses simply because several users tried signing up w/ same IP over time. I tried several - hrs / days apart, after clearing everything in latest TBB, AFAIK; getting new identity / IP address. RE-jected! As for your certainty: I do have accounts from all mentioned services (Gmail, Yahoo, Gmx) and everything was done over Tor. Good to know, but how? How'd you create Gmail acct w/ Tor not give mobile #? How did you get GMX to accept a Tor address (got lucky?). I'm not arguing. Obviously, I'm not as experienced / crafty / lucky as some, so looking for HOW folks *recently* created email accts w/ various providers, using Tor - or other anonymous ways. I haven't tried - every - provider w/ Tor would prefer not to spend days. I've learned a lot from responses (as will others, not so experienced using Tor for this). How long ago did you (or others) create them; have providers since changed methods; how long / how much effort did it take; what techniques were used? Did some just get lucky on a couple of tries w/ NON blacklisted Tor IPs, or did it take days dozens of Tor addresses, using all techniques you mentioned? Why not go through an open WiFi? ... How about going through another computer? And I don't mean using proxy software. I suppose WiFi is a possibility, but I don't frequent WiFi spots. Correct me if wrong, but if logging on in the clear *vs* using Tor, they can get more info about your machine, that can possibly identify it later? You mention using ANOTHER machine so did GMX support, after they replied, that (one) Tor address I used was blacklisted. Does that - possibly - mean that for any user in this scenario, even using *Tor* for registering ( failing 1st few attempts), a provider collected enough info to ID my PC again, even if use another address (Tor or not)? This topic is no longer JUST about GMX. Using others computers to create an acct that might be used for whistle blowing (w/o Tor or proxy - or what DID you mean?) ... not sure about that one. I understand most providers will (certainly can) scan unencrypted email. But, if sending whistle blower or msgs to neighbors w/ junk cars, won't be sending encrypted ones. I just don't want them to trace me. Not trying to outwit LEA here, even though it'd be nice not to have mail scanned. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 8/1/2012 4:45 PM, adrelanos wrote: Got it. Good point. There has been very few research done on that subject. Always makes sense to use a trustworthy mail provider as an activist instant of a non-trustworthy. Even if you use GPG. They can still try a targeted attack on your browser of tell who is communicating with whom and sell some metadata like when you logged in etc. Riseup has been recommend by (imho) trustworthy and honest people. Tormail is anonymously run, could be run by evil or honest people. Who knows. 50/50 chance I'd say. [...] If they are honest, they can not be forced into cooperating with an adversary. In that case they were even better than Riseup. Or they are already run by your adversary and then you are left with the protections provided by Tor (and gpg). On the other hand riseup hosts servers in US, thus they are subject to US laws. Other then using a well motivated and known mail provider you could try a different approach. If your whistleblow is about country X, use a mail provider in country Y. Any countries (almost) in war with each other are are good choice and unlikely to share any intelligence. And even then, it could be pointless, if the server security in that country is poor. Due to lack of theoretical research and practical tests or stories the perfect decision for the best resistant mail provider is more than difficult. Thanks again everyone, for the helpful info. I read some of Safe-mail's documents. Particularly, section Abuse of the * FREE * accounts. While [free] SignUp is not available, you may request a new account by sending an email message from an EXISTING Safe-mail.net account Apart from the Free SignUp that is not allways available, the system is functioning well and existing users shouldn't experience any problems or restrictions. In last sentence, it's unclear if signing up for free acct ALWAYS must come from an existing acct. ... is not always available, indicates sometimes it is. Haven't tried registering for free acct /w Tor yet, but I'm guessing they'll require an email from a * Safe-mail acct.* I know no one w/ an acct. RISEUP.net: There are two ways to have your account approved: you can either get invite codes from existing users you know or wait for us to approve your request. It is sometimes difficult for us to keep up with the volume of requests, so it may take us up to a FEW WEEKS to get back to you. If you know two different riseup.net users, you can use the invite method, and your account will be created and be ready to use immediately. Mail2World: Mail2World may terminate your access to any part or all of the Service and any related service(s) at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately, for any reason whatsoever. Sounds a little harsh. Any reason * whatsoever *? You email a presidential candidate's site that they don't like? If using Tor, they may not know your real IP / location, but (I assume) they can see recipient addresses. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 04:17, grarpamp wrote: Riseup has been recommend by (imho) trustworthy and honest people. I'm happy with other comon non-gmail free providers. RiseUp is cool/important so I'd not use them unless I had to and could donate. I had the same feeling when I first heard of them. While I tell my friends that they could use Tor for anything, say checking their Yahoo mail on an open Wifi, and that helps both generate harmless traffic on Tor and tell Yahoo some people value their privacy at the same time. With Riseup it's about using it when needed. Also keep in mind there are alternatives to Riseup, and I don't think of FB or Google, yet there are no alternatives to Tor at the moment. Cheers ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 8/1/2012 9:17 PM, grarpamp wrote: Riseup has been recommend by (imho) trustworthy and honest people. RiseUp is that place that makes you fill out *why* you want one of their free accounts, your activism. What do you guys put in there? Can you just leave it blank? Or say 'not applicable', no reason, unspecified. Do you have to say 'anonymous', research, education, personal use? Or tell them of your love of dogs? I'm happy with other comon non-gmail free providers. RiseUp is cool/important so I'd not use them unless I had to and could donate. If you do not use the invite method, please tell us about your activism. Do not include acronyms or personally identifiable information. This information will be destroyed as soon as your account is approved. wait for us to approve your request. Thanks. Riseup says they don't store IP addresses or log emails. If (for a company in U.S.) the gov't will even ALLOW that, then that's good - as almost all provider say they log to some extent. BUT... considering ISPs, wireless providers, Skype - on on - are being forced into either keeping records, that can be demanded w/ very little reason from an LEA, or are being strong armed into providing backdoors, I at least * question * whether one mail provider (onshore, in U.S.) can resist the long arm of the law. I may be wrong. But, as most know, just because a company makes claims, doesn't mean they're true. 2nd, I can't find anywhere - w/o signing up - what Riseup's general starting storage quota or max message and / or attachment size limits are, even using search engines. I understand IF they don't make $ off advertising, they need it from other sources (donations). But, their suggested individual donation of $5 - 15 / mo for businesses, 1% of annual budget (Ex.: $100 for $10K budget) seems lopsided. A business / organization will generate way more traffic than (especially) me. But, I don't know what I'd get for $5 / mo, even if I liked them, unless I sign up or another user tells me. Re: GMX Tor address problem. GMX responded to request I sent about not being able to sign up w/ Tor - at my organization (wink). They request on their site to include the IP you're having problems registering with, so I gave the (current) Tor IP. They said, Dear GMX Customer, This IP address has been marked in a blacklist. Even if it changes we recommend you to create an account from another computer or to contact your internet provider. So, big surprise, lots of people are using Tor addresses then doing crap to give it (certain addresses, anyway) a bad name get blacklisted. Question: was mentioned about using Tor to access Yahoo mail. Certainly, you can't OPEN a Gmail acct w/ Tor w/o giving mobile #, 1st born son, etc. Can't sign up for GMX w/ Tor. Why would Yahoo allow using Tor? Or, is it that the acct was NOT created using Tor, but later accessing it via Tor - * as antispam06 mentioned * ? (not sure exactly what he meant) What would that accomplish, for anonymity? If you didn't create the acct w/ Tor (or proxy), they know the real IP address of the owner. Thanks. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Joe Btfsplk: Thanks. Riseup says they don't store IP addresses or log emails. If (for a company in U.S.) the gov't will even ALLOW that, then that's good - as almost all provider say they log to some extent. BUT... considering ISPs, wireless providers, Skype - on on - are being forced into either keeping records, that can be demanded w/ very little reason from an LEA, or are being strong armed into providing backdoors, I at least * question * whether one mail provider (onshore, in U.S.) can resist the long arm of the law. I may be wrong. But, as most know, just because a company makes claims, doesn't mean they're true. 2nd, I can't find anywhere - w/o signing up - what Riseup's general starting storage quota or max message and / or attachment size limits are, even using search engines. I understand IF they don't make $ off advertising, they need it from other sources (donations). But, their suggested individual donation of $5 - 15 / mo for businesses, 1% of annual budget (Ex.: $100 for $10K budget) seems lopsided. A business / organization will generate way more traffic than (especially) me. Good points. Please mirror and redirect your feedback to riseup. Here it may go unnoticed. But, I don't know what I'd get for $5 / mo, even if I liked them, unless I sign up or another user tells me. Contact them over mail, ticket or irc. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Joe Btfsplk: Why would Yahoo allow using Tor? Or, is it that the acct was NOT created using Tor, but later accessing it via Tor - * as antispam06 mentioned * ? (not sure exactly what he meant) What would that accomplish, for anonymity? If you didn't create the acct w/ Tor (or proxy), they know the real IP address of the owner. Thanks. Maybe chain something not banned for registration behind Tor and afterwards start using it over Tor. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Hi Tor Talk, Lurker and user of Tor here. Thanks y'all for your hard work making Tor possible! Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com: 2nd, I can't find anywhere - w/o signing up - what Riseup's general starting storage quota or max message and / or attachment size limits are, even using search engines. I understand IF they don't make $ off advertising, they need it from other sources (donations). But, their suggested individual donation of $5 - 15 / mo for businesses, 1% of annual budget (Ex.: $100 for $10K budget) seems lopsided. A business / organization will generate way more traffic than (especially) me. But, I don't know what I'd get for $5 / mo, even if I liked them, unless I sign up or another user tells me. I use riseup. My current storage quota -- which I believe would be yours, were you to sign up -- is 92 MB. Riseup says the storage quota fluctuates a bit and might go up in the future. I think you can also request a higher quota if you have good reasons. Since I mostly POP everything out, the quota doesn't cause me trouble. Maybe it would if I suddenly became famous/notorious while in an extended coma, receiving a zillion Twitter auto-emails notifying me of new followers. :) :( My attachment limit is 2 MB, which is reckoned per email -- I assume it'd be the same for you. The attachment limit presents something of a difficulty for me, a freelance writer, since big .DOCs and .PDFs can exceed 2 MB. But clients can deal with workarounds. Never seen an ad on Riseup (of course, I use adblockers). I don't know if there's a size limit for incoming attachments. I don't think they offer premium services, but I could be wrong. It's free with donations strongly encouraged. One good way to donate to Riseup is through Flattr! https://flattr.com/thing/523584/Donate-to-Riseup With Flattr you can shoot Riseup a micro-donation via a flattr click, a recurring subscription of flattr clicks, or just send a straightforward donation up to your monthly Flattr donation limit, which as of this May is EUR150. :-Douglas ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 8/2/2012 6:04 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote: I use riseup. My current storage quota -- which I believe would be yours, were you to sign up -- is 92 MB. Riseup says the storage quota fluctuates a bit and might go up in the future. I think you can also request a higher quota if you have good reasons. Since I mostly POP everything out, the quota doesn't cause me trouble. Maybe it would if I suddenly became famous/notorious while in an extended coma, receiving a zillion Twitter auto-emails notifying me of new followers. :) :( My attachment limit is 2 MB, which is reckoned per email -- I assume it'd be the same for you. The attachment limit presents something of a difficulty for me, a freelance writer, since big .DOCs and .PDFs can exceed 2 MB. But clients can deal with workarounds. Never seen an ad on Riseup (of course, I use adblockers). I don't know if there's a size limit for incoming attachments. I don't think they offer premium services, but I could be wrong. It's free with donations strongly encouraged. One good way to donate to Riseup is through Flattr! https://flattr.com/thing/523584/Donate-to-Riseup With Flattr you can shoot Riseup a micro-donation via a flattr click, a recurring subscription of flattr clicks, or just send a straightforward donation up to your monthly Flattr donation limit, which as of this May is EUR150. Thanks Douglas, very helpful. The approx. 92 MB storage isn't much problem. Yes, 2 MB is tiny. I suppose IF they really don't log IPs or data, that's what you're paying for (if that's important), rather than free providers that gather data sell it. I just have a health suspicion of a TINY % of companies in *any* industry that say, /we're different than all the rest/. Riseup may be, but usually in sum total, most companies in an industry are similar. One will cut a little here, but add it back somewhere else. If the U.S. gov't allowed them not to keep ANY records, _every terrorist_ in this country many others would be flocking to Riseup. Or maybe that's the plan. Since it's unlikely they'll allow that... anymore than they'd allow 1 or 2 phone Co's. NOT to keep records or build phone systems that couldn't be wire tapped. BTW, did send Riseup support a question about their limits. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
Last I checked encryption in yahoo mail is only available for login to your account. Everything else goes in the clear easily intercepted if an exit is logging. Easily intercepted over open wifi in a cafe. Why would Yahoo allow using Tor? Or, is it that the acct was NOT created using Tor, but later accessing it via Tor - * as antispam06 mentioned * ? (not sure exactly what he meant) What would that accomplish, for anonymity? If you didn't create the acct w/ Tor (or proxy), they know the real IP address of the owner. Thanks. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
Riseup is not a company or corporation. https://help.riseup.net/en/about-us That being said, I have no way to verify what they do and do not log. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: On 8/2/2012 6:04 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote: I use riseup. My current storage quota -- which I believe would be yours, were you to sign up -- is 92 MB. Riseup says the storage quota fluctuates a bit and might go up in the future. I think you can also request a higher quota if you have good reasons. Since I mostly POP everything out, the quota doesn't cause me trouble. Maybe it would if I suddenly became famous/notorious while in an extended coma, receiving a zillion Twitter auto-emails notifying me of new followers. :) :( My attachment limit is 2 MB, which is reckoned per email -- I assume it'd be the same for you. The attachment limit presents something of a difficulty for me, a freelance writer, since big .DOCs and .PDFs can exceed 2 MB. But clients can deal with workarounds. Never seen an ad on Riseup (of course, I use adblockers). I don't know if there's a size limit for incoming attachments. I don't think they offer premium services, but I could be wrong. It's free with donations strongly encouraged. One good way to donate to Riseup is through Flattr! https://flattr.com/thing/**523584/Donate-to-Riseuphttps://flattr.com/thing/523584/Donate-to-Riseup With Flattr you can shoot Riseup a micro-donation via a flattr click, a recurring subscription of flattr clicks, or just send a straightforward donation up to your monthly Flattr donation limit, which as of this May is EUR150. Thanks Douglas, very helpful. The approx. 92 MB storage isn't much problem. Yes, 2 MB is tiny. I suppose IF they really don't log IPs or data, that's what you're paying for (if that's important), rather than free providers that gather data sell it. I just have a health suspicion of a TINY % of companies in *any* industry that say, /we're different than all the rest/. Riseup may be, but usually in sum total, most companies in an industry are similar. One will cut a little here, but add it back somewhere else. If the U.S. gov't allowed them not to keep ANY records, _every terrorist_ in this country many others would be flocking to Riseup. Or maybe that's the plan. Since it's unlikely they'll allow that... anymore than they'd allow 1 or 2 phone Co's. NOT to keep records or build phone systems that couldn't be wire tapped. BTW, did send Riseup support a question about their limits. __**_ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-**talkhttps://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 03:48, Joe Btfsplk wrote: A lot of sites services don't like Tor users because they can't tell if you like privacy / anonymity or are up to no good. I guess GMX has caught up w/ Gmail others, making it hard to create accts using Tor. I see this cliché repeated over and over. How can they tell if I am up to no good without any anonymity? If my IP4 is made out of 3 odd numbers and one even I'm 3/4 an odd person? Do they ask the local astrologer to approve the subscription and without geolocation the man can't do well his job? The local which has a thing against people she can't poroperly identify? Does the cyber terrorist lack the skills to use some zombie machine outhere? Privacy is for everyone. But privacy does not fit well in their business plan. I imagine the PS: Oh! And one more thing Mr Spammer. We have a number of accounts who's origin we don't know. But, hey, who cares, right? Everybody buys your product! Right? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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jed c: This is a wacky idea. No harm in trying though. How about trying something like hidemyass through tor? I know it doesnt really provide anonymity, but maybe it will mask your location long enough to open an account. If you can open the account then reset your password after setup. If you connect to Tor first, then visit hidemyass or similar and then register, if you do that only once, I see no problem with that as long you only use it for registration and not entering identifying data. Note that hidemyass or similar will know the whole content of the transmission because it's a web based proxy. Therefore change your secret answer, alternate e-mail and passwords after setting up the account. The question remains if after account creation you will have less trouble over Tor or if hidemyass or similar isn't blocked for registration as well. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Joe Btfsplk: I'm not married to idea of using GMX Tor. So if others have suggestions for free email service that works w/ Tor or is actually reasonably anonymous (I'm not trying to outwit NSA, here), I could go that route vs beating my head against a GMX wall. riseup and tormail do neither ban registration nor usage over Tor. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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I guess the question is what exactly are you looking for? SSL? I was able to setup an email account (at)mail2world.com (no fancy tricks) I made sure to document and verify plausibility of all my answers (time zone zip code match area). Password length is limited to 12 chars. The password length threw me had to use my other answers to change it. Also had to put address as https to make it work since the radio button didnt work. I'm not married to idea of using GMX Tor. So if others have suggestions for free email service that works w/ Tor or is actually reasonably anonymous (I'm not trying to outwit NSA, here), I could go that route vs beating my head against a GMX wall. Juan / Jed, I tried running Tor through several well known web proxies. Even though proxies had options to allow / disable scripts, when I allowed scripts, GMX still showed message, Please enable JS try again. NOTE: I've used Tor / TBB some of same proxies directly w/ Firefox, never gotten a Please enable javascript message from any site, AFAIK. Tried a few proxies - some SSL, some not. Some proxies showed (or allowed choosing) a U.S. location, so that wasn't the issue. Tor is also using US exits. Also entered GMX.com the proxy's domain on NoScript white list. No change after reloading GMX / proxy page in TBB. GMX still gave enable javascript... Then as test, tried just Firefox 14 thru the proxies, that HAD options to enable JS (I did). Same result - GMX still thinks JS is disabled. It's really only page I've gotten that message using proxies, but... never tried creating an email acct - * in last few yrs * - using Tor or a proxy . Between each try, I deleted cookies, closed pages, cleared cache, got new IP (when using Tor). ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 21:01, adrelanos wrote: Joe Btfsplk: I'm not married to idea of using GMX Tor. So if others have suggestions for free email service that works w/ Tor or is actually reasonably anonymous (I'm not trying to outwit NSA, here), I could go that route vs beating my head against a GMX wall. riseup and tormail do neither ban registration nor usage over Tor. fastmail.fm, yandex, and some others. Just search the archives of this list. Lavabit.com does block some exits, but new identity does help. Maybe nobody wrote them about Tor. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
I have 1 idea for this Why cannot tor be used in such a way: as a home user, i am willing to let tor users use my connection for a few sites. gmail gmx and other mail sites for example. Can we have some option that lets home tor users share their connections in some limited way? Good for registrations, I think! -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: On 7/31/2012 7:26 PM, jed c wrote: This is a wacky idea. No harm in trying though. How about trying something like hidemyass through tor? I know it doesnt really provide anonymity, but maybe it will mask your location long enough to open an account. If you can open the account then reset your password after setup. Thanks, it's an idea. Don't know that web proxies use different addresses for different users, anymore than Tor does. Worth a shot. In their auto response that said the we can't process your request right now error being from many users sharing one address, they used example of an office or organization that uses one address for whole network. I know they other providers are trying to prevent spammers, fraud, etc. I'm none of those, but they don't know me from Adam, even if I tell them I'm using Tor. A lot of sites services don't like Tor users because they can't tell if you like privacy / anonymity or are up to no good. I guess GMX has caught up w/ Gmail others, making it hard to create accts using Tor. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On 8/1/2012 1:56 PM, adrelanos wrote: If you connect to Tor first, then visit hidemyass or similar and then register, if you do that only once, I see no problem with that as long you only use it for registration and not entering identifying data. Note that hidemyass or similar will know the whole content of the transmission because it's a web based proxy. Therefore change your secret answer, alternate e-mail and passwords after setting up the account. The question remains if after account creation you will have less trouble over Tor or if hidemyass or similar isn't blocked for registration as well. Gotten several suggestions - thanks for all. Point: Being ABLE to sign up w/ an email provider via Tor * * that provider being trustworthy (not selling your address, scanning contents to sell for advertising [if don't encrypt messages] are 2 entirely different things. Like doctor, mechanic recommendations, I always prefer them from actual clients / users (preferably 1) that have used them 1x been satisfied. Jed: ** What am I looking for? ** Mostly anonymity untraceability - for all * practical * purposes. Not to evade LEAs. But... if need to send whistle blower type email - or - some (polite) ones to neighbor w/ car up on blocks, I want NO way they can trace it, short of LEA becoming involved. Though sending truthful whistle blower messages isn't unlawful, people w/ power have powerful connections. Both examples are real scenarios for me. If those requirements help anyone w/ suggestions of providers they've personally used - or read enough unbiased, technical reviews to be reasonably sure a provider has a very good reputation, that's better than, I've heard of these - give them a look. GMX may not be even close to a good choice for these purposes. However, was NEVER able to get past them claiming JS was off, using Tor, Tor a proxy, just a proxy - even though proxies had option to allow JS - even if whitelisted their site in NoScript. However, some of other suggested providers may be better choices, assuming they're not spammers in sheep's clothing. Thanks Praedor, adrelnos, antispam06 - for other email provider names. Will check out. Heard of safe-mail a long time - don't know anyone personally that's used it. Tor mail - I remember some discussion here about ? some issue about their policy? question of servers location? who runs it? Can't remember. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 8/1/2012 3:04 PM, Jerzy Łogiewa wrote: I have 1 idea for this Why cannot tor be used in such a way: as a home user, i am willing to let tor users use my connection for a few sites. gmail gmx and other mail sites for example. Can we have some option that lets home tor users share their connections in some limited way? Good for registrations, I think! I'm no expert, but seems this would require Tor becoming a P2P network, which requires in some manner, transmitting IP addresses to each other. However, Tor IP addresses aren't exclusive to any one user at any given time. Your idea is that Tor network would cloak the true identity of one user from another? Since Tor users often have enough trouble accessing some sites now, how would using others addresses provide any more success or anonymity? Besides, now one can get a new IP address w/ a click, or specify exit nodes in specific countries. As I see it, the problem is some sites don't like TOR EXITS, which they can identify that multiple users are coming from the same address. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
Joe Btfsplk: On 8/1/2012 1:56 PM, adrelanos wrote: If you connect to Tor first, then visit hidemyass or similar and then register, if you do that only once, I see no problem with that as long you only use it for registration and not entering identifying data. Note that hidemyass or similar will know the whole content of the transmission because it's a web based proxy. Therefore change your secret answer, alternate e-mail and passwords after setting up the account. The question remains if after account creation you will have less trouble over Tor or if hidemyass or similar isn't blocked for registration as well. Gotten several suggestions - thanks for all. Point: Being ABLE to sign up w/ an email provider via Tor * * that provider being trustworthy (not selling your address, scanning contents to sell for advertising [if don't encrypt messages] are 2 entirely different things. Like doctor, mechanic recommendations, I always prefer them from actual clients / users (preferably 1) that have used them 1x been satisfied. [...] If those requirements help anyone w/ suggestions of providers they've personally used - or read enough unbiased, technical reviews to be reasonably sure a provider has a very good reputation, that's better than, I've heard of these - give them a look. Got it. Good point. There has been very few research done on that subject. Always makes sense to use a trustworthy mail provider as an activist instant of a non-trustworthy. Even if you use GPG. They can still try a targeted attack on your browser of tell who is communicating with whom and sell some metadata like when you logged in etc. Riseup has been recommend by (imho) trustworthy and honest people. Tormail is anonymously run, could be run by evil or honest people. Who knows. 50/50 chance I'd say. If they are honest, they can not be forced into cooperating with an adversary. In that case they were even better than Riseup. Or they are already run by your adversary and then you are left with the protections provided by Tor (and gpg). On the other hand riseup hosts servers in US, thus they are subject to US laws. Other then using a well motivated and known mail provider you could try a different approach. If your whistleblow is about country X, use a mail provider in country Y. Any countries (almost) in war with each other are are good choice and unlikely to share any intelligence. And even then, it could be pointless, if the server security in that country is poor. Due to lack of theoretical research and practical tests or stories the perfect decision for the best resistant mail provider is more than difficult. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Riseup has been recommend by (imho) trustworthy and honest people. RiseUp is that place that makes you fill out *why* you want one of their free accounts, your activism. What do you guys put in there? Can you just leave it blank? Or say 'not applicable', no reason, unspecified. Do you have to say 'anonymous', research, education, personal use? Or tell them of your love of dogs? I'm happy with other comon non-gmail free providers. RiseUp is cool/important so I'd not use them unless I had to and could donate. If you do not use the invite method, please tell us about your activism. Do not include acronyms or personally identifiable information. This information will be destroyed as soon as your account is approved. wait for us to approve your request. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
Has anyone successfully created a GMX email acct using Tor? It won't work for me - just get Sorry, cannot process registration at this time. At lst, it wouldn't let me copy / paste PW twice - 2nd box showed diff # of asterisks gave PWs don't match error. That session timed out on me. I set my exit nodes to use US exits GMX seems to recognize I'm in the U.S. (which I am). Cleared all cookies cache, created new Tor identity got new IP address. Went back tried again typed simple PW that met minimum criteria. Still the cannot process registration... No explanation why. If it was because I mis typed the captcha, it didn't say so. If it's worked for others ( maybe they could shed some light), I'll just wait try much later. Thanks. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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I looks like as they blocked the most Tor exits and also a lot of people trying to make an account at GMX, and they block IPs after 3 created accounts per day... Joe Btfsplk schrieb: Has anyone successfully created a GMX email acct using Tor? It won't work for me - just get Sorry, cannot process registration at this time. At lst, it wouldn't let me copy / paste PW twice - 2nd box showed diff # of asterisks gave PWs don't match error. That session timed out on me. I set my exit nodes to use US exits GMX seems to recognize I'm in the U.S. (which I am). Cleared all cookies cache, created new Tor identity got new IP address. Went back tried again typed simple PW that met minimum criteria. Still the cannot process registration... No explanation why. If it was because I mis typed the captcha, it didn't say so. If it's worked for others ( maybe they could shed some light), I'll just wait try much later. Thanks. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
This is a wacky idea. No harm in trying though. How about trying something like hidemyass through tor? I know it doesnt really provide anonymity, but maybe it will mask your location long enough to open an account. If you can open the account then reset your password after setup. --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: From: Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com Subject: Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor? To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 3:50 PM On 7/31/2012 3:45 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Has anyone successfully created a GMX email acct using Tor? It won't work for me - just get Sorry, cannot process registration at this time. At lst, it wouldn't let me copy / paste PW twice - 2nd box showed diff # of asterisks gave PWs don't match error. That session timed out on me. I set my exit nodes to use US exits GMX seems to recognize I'm in the U.S. (which I am). Cleared all cookies cache, created new Tor identity got new IP address. Went back tried again typed simple PW that met minimum criteria. Still the cannot process registration... No explanation why. If it was because I mis typed the captcha, it didn't say so. If it's worked for others ( maybe they could shed some light), I'll just wait try much later. Thanks. Sent GMX support a request about registration issues. Got auto response that included this (which explains problem registering w/ Tor): *Registration Issues* If you receive an error message during registration stating that Your registration could not be processed at the moment. Please try again later. If the error persists, please contact us., it is possible that your IP address has been blacklisted. This usually happens when the system notices that several accounts have been created from a certain IP or IP address range (such as in an office or organization which just uses one public IP for the whole network). You would help us further investigating your case by sending us /your IP address (go to www.whatismyipaddress.com for more information/ Now, I changed the IP address before trying to register again, after it failed. But my guess is, so many people try registering w/ Tor there are only so many exit nodes / IP addresses, that after a while, the same IP address must get used repeatedly. I suppose I could keep changing IP address trying - ad infinitum - seems like a LONG, unsure process. Any suggestions? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] anyone created an acct on GMX using Tor?
On 7/31/2012 7:26 PM, jed c wrote: This is a wacky idea. No harm in trying though. How about trying something like hidemyass through tor? I know it doesnt really provide anonymity, but maybe it will mask your location long enough to open an account. If you can open the account then reset your password after setup. Thanks, it's an idea. Don't know that web proxies use different addresses for different users, anymore than Tor does. Worth a shot. In their auto response that said the we can't process your request right now error being from many users sharing one address, they used example of an office or organization that uses one address for whole network. I know they other providers are trying to prevent spammers, fraud, etc. I'm none of those, but they don't know me from Adam, even if I tell them I'm using Tor. A lot of sites services don't like Tor users because they can't tell if you like privacy / anonymity or are up to no good. I guess GMX has caught up w/ Gmail others, making it hard to create accts using Tor. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
